Mini 1481: ETL's Horrific Camping Trip (GAME OVER)

Bert · Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:50 pm

/confirm

Bert · Post Post #52 (isolation #1) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:49 am

Vote: RachMarie

Bert · Post Post #73 (isolation #2) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:13 am

In post 71, Saki wrote:oh rm is in this game
prolly shouldn't spampost

Do you consider your posts spam?

Also, why are you worried about posting too much when RM is in this game?

Bert · Post Post #87 (isolation #3) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:23 am

In post 83, Timeater wrote:
vote: GuyInFreezer

scatterbrained scum circlejerker detected

SHEEEEEP TIME

Bleatttttttt

Vote: GIF

Bert · Post Post #92 (isolation #4) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:29 am

In post 89, FSnake wrote:
In post 87, Bert wrote:
In post 83, Timeater wrote:
vote: GuyInFreezer

scatterbrained scum circlejerker detected
SHEEEEEP TIME

Bleatttttttt

Vote: GIF
You think Timeater is town?

No, do you? His opening is rather null. I have a feeling his posts will ping my scumdar because of his somewhat sarcastic tone (eventually) lol

Saki, why don't you trust me?

Bert · Post Post #102 (isolation #5) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:35 am

In post 96, FSnake wrote:
In post 92, Bert wrote:No, do you? His opening is rather null. I have a feeling his posts will ping my scumdar because of his somewhat sarcastic tone (eventually) lol

Saki, why don't you trust me?
He is null to me. Why did you sheep him?
Why should we trust you?

Because GIF has opened with scummy posts that kinda teasing tone...the teasing is like covering up his true intentions and I'm showing him some tough love <3

Also, I was going to vote GIF for the same reasons timeater mentioned, hence my "sheeping"

What is your read on GIF?

Bert · Post Post #119 (isolation #6) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:46 am

In post 115, GuyInFreezer wrote:Actually snake is p town to me.

And you know this how?

Bert · Post Post #149 (isolation #7) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:24 am

In post 126, Timeater wrote:this isn't epicmafia my sweethearts

dont make this a twenty page game by the end of the day, try to be courteous to the other players not online. take it from me, i used to be you.

◕‿◕

pedit: sona pls why does your first post have to be a bad one are you scum pls no

Slowing the game down because this isn't some other site?

That's a terrible reason to ask us to slow down. We need information, content, INFO. The more, the better. We play at our own desired pace; we will not let you dictate our pace.

Vote: Timeater

Bert · Post Post #151 (isolation #8) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:28 am

In post 131, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 128, Saki wrote:What's epicmafia
It's the place where everyone circlejerks until someone is randomly lynched.

I love circle jerking. <3 I need to find this EpicMafia place.

In post 107, GuyInFreezer wrote:And what would be my true intention, Bert?

If you're scum, to mask your anti-town deficiencies and certain inner reactions that are scum-driven. What else did you think the answer to this would be?

Bert · Post Post #154 (isolation #9) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:44 am

In post 153, GuyInFreezer wrote:Something special and not general.

Meh.

OK gut reads right now - I don't like Fsnake or timeater. Take that for what it is.

In post 139, Saki wrote:How are you 100% sure that someone is scum at this point

Why is Sakura scum?

Bert · Post Post #161 (isolation #10) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:55 am

In post 155, Saki wrote:This isn't town Sakura, bert

I've never seen scum Sakura in the past (town in both tit for tat and stacking the deck)

Please enlighten me

Bert · Post Post #281 (isolation #11) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:30 pm

In post 245, toxic-banana wrote:Analysis of the last ten pages:

@GuyInFreezer is being agressive. Suspicious perhaps, but might just be looking for a rise from people and not actually be town. I can't believe that scum would play so blatantly, but feel like I'm about to stumble into a WIFOM here...

@SakuraHana is also being agressive (perhaps in a more defensive way), but again I'm not sure how much to read into it. I'll vote for one of these two if I have no one better to by the time I've scrolled through the last gazillion pages...

(and yes, this is how I make new friends.)

@Saki seems to have taken a fairly leading role at this stage. Seems pro-town atm, but will watch closely. Nothing to suspect them on, just a hunch.

Just not sure whether to vote for GiF or SakuraHana at this stage. For now, I'm going to

VOTE: GiF

I feel semi-scummy on both of them, but I'll go for GiF for now.
I might change as things develop if someone feels scummier...

Why do you feel the need to tell us that "I might change my vote to someone else if there's someone else scummier"? God, this post is scummy to the nth degree.

"I'm not sure, but maybe this, but you know I'll watch more, it's just a hunch, yeah it's nothing" Do you see where I'm going with this?

Hell no, this type of being noncommittal will NOT fly here. You are screaming "I AM SCUM" with this post...

Vote: Toxic-banana

In post 234, Saki wrote:What.
I have this terrible nagging feeling that we're letting most of the scum slip under our radars

Who do you suspect of being scum right now?

Bert · Post Post #282 (isolation #12) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:35 pm

In post 272, thenewearth wrote: Bert:

In post 102, Bert wrote:
In post 96, FSnake wrote:
In post 92, Bert wrote:No, do you? His opening is rather null. I have a feeling his posts will ping my scumdar because of his somewhat sarcastic tone (eventually) lol

Saki, why don't you trust me?
He is null to me. Why did you sheep him?
Why should we trust you?
Because GIF has opened with scummy posts that kinda teasing tone...the teasing is like covering up his true intentions and I'm showing him some tough love <3

Also, I was going to vote GIF for the same reasons timeater mentioned, hence my "sheeping"

What is your read on GIF?
I'm kinda lost on what post?

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Everyone else is pretty null because of all this spam. I'll elaborate later in the day

1) I was referring to GIF's opening posts.

2) "Everyone else is pretty null"? You have no townreads, and all you present is two scumreads?

That's pretty concerning. Why aren't you filtering out what you consider spam and looking for what's in there. You should have more than just two scumreads by now (no townreads provided). You said you would provide us with a list. This is not a "list." Still waiting...

Bert · Post Post #284 (isolation #13) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:00 pm

We can be a tag team (like in 513 which already ended) and you can help me pressure toxic-banana because he's scummy as hell so far, to see how he reacts lol

P.S. What is it that you have gotten yourself into, if I may ask?

Bert · Post Post #290 (isolation #14) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:04 pm

In post 285, GuyInFreezer wrote:I'm actually I think toxic is just a newbie.

His uncertainty in his posts bothers me to a certain degree. If we pressure him, we can figure out if he's newbscum or what.

In post 287, thenewearth wrote:You and Saki are scum reads, Yes.

I thought I could read GiF today but UMG Y U FLUFF SO MUCH TODAY?!

And you guys haven't really done ANYTHING yet. Especially Saki.
Wait... He actually did. He's being scummy.
So are you

So can we lynch saki now? Then bert later?

P-edit 1 and 2 AND 3 GOD DAMN YOU GUYS:

I think you've repeated wanting Saki and me dead enough times. As if repeating "hey THEM TWO ARE SCUM" again and again is going to help matters any. Yes, we all have done something. There are posts you can comment on.

What was the point of your last post??

Bert · Post Post #293 (isolation #15) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:06 pm

In post 287, thenewearth wrote:You and Saki are scum reads, Yes.

I thought I could read GiF today but UMG Y U FLUFF SO MUCH TODAY?!

And you guys haven't really done ANYTHING yet. Especially Saki.
Wait... He actually did. He's being scummy.
So are you

So can we lynch saki now? Then bert later?

P-edit 1 and 2 AND 3 GOD DAMN YOU GUYS:

Look, bub, if you are upset with the pace of the game, no one's forcing you to play in this game. If you are going to keep complaining sourly about "spamming" in every one of your posts - which you have done so far - then you are in for a long, long game, my dear buddy. <3

It's no longer an excuse from now on.

Bert · Post Post #307 (isolation #16) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:23 pm

In post 298, thenewearth wrote:Actually, screw that I don't have town reads...

Based on Hunter x Hunter mafia. FSnake is town.

Obviously Sakura, Saki, and Bert are not mafia together because all of that interaction is IMPOSSIBLE.
So there's at least 1 town in this triangle. And I'm leaning it's sakura.

Fuzzy is being lurk scum again. That or he changed styles while I was away for 1 month.
We can add fuzzy to scum pool.

Rach is gut town.

Why is Sakura, Saki and I's interactions as mafia together impossible?

In post 294, thenewearth wrote:The point is to get you scums to die.

Because you 2 are scum.

GiF: How is Saki town? I'm kinda being blinded by all the scummy things saki is doing

"generally" scummy things cannot be described as "scummy" for all players...it's a case-by-case basis. It's like you just said Fsnake is town because of the meta you have on him/her. That you describe yourself as "blinded" and not able to look beyond the tunnel is what gets me..

In post 292, Saki wrote:idk I'm usually good day 1 lynchbait
would make sense to see people want me dead

Saki, you and Rach and I are all good day 1 lynchbait. At least that's what Rach says about herself. She knows it to be true about me too. TNE, you seem to be relying on traditional scumtells on people here. Telling me and Saki that "you two are scum" is not going to get us anywhere, not with the way you are repeating it without further more of building a case.

How do you expect people to listen to you and follow you if you act like this?

Bert · Post Post #309 (isolation #17) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:25 pm

In post 305, thenewearth wrote:Guys, Being scummy is still a ground for being lynched. IDK if it's town or not. Once you try to hurt town, you are a threat to the town.

Which implies that I get rid of the threats to my town

Scummy things does NOT equal a scumtell for every player.

Some players' play may appear to be anti-town sometimes, but does that mean they deserve a policy lynch just for that? It depends. I dislike your tone about this, where you are trying to justify a lynch on whomever it may be...

Bert · Post Post #313 (isolation #18) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:32 pm

In post 304, thenewearth wrote:GiF is more of an... "OMG GiF WHAT DAFUQ HAPPENED TO YOU WHILE I WAS GONE?!"

That or GiF is more productive as scum than town.

So he's a null-town-probably-idk

Saki: Everyone else is null because I don't have enough data on them

"null-town-probably-idk"??? Really? What data are you lacking... help me out here..

You know what, we are going to band together, Saki, and pressure this scumbag.

Vote: TNE

In post 312, thenewearth wrote:Guys, Ever noticed how Saki and Bert are always in unison?

And how much their ideas, ideals, and targets are the same?

That's 1 more evidence

We're going to lynch the shit out of you if you try to break up our town core. We have chemistry from 513 Nightless which just ended, and whether you like it or not we are a team here, and so far Saki is pretty town. We have a past. Don't ruin our vibe. They shot Saki the other day as we were going after scumbags, and that game is over now so we can talk about it. We banded together there, we are doing so here. If you are going to use that against us, good luck.

Bert · Post Post #316 (isolation #19) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:34 pm

EBWOP: Saki, what do you think of toxic-banana so far? I'm going back and reading all the iso's now. DoctorPepper is pretty town....hold on I'm going to finish reading all the Iso's.

Let me know about timeater too...and please tell me who your null-leaning scum peeps are and I will go look back and tell you what I'm feeling...see if you're feeling what I'm feeling.

Bert · Post Post #317 (isolation #20) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:35 pm

No, don't you dare use "hypocrisy" as a scumtell. You sheep me all the time, I sheep you. That is the way it is, and we will not let anyone deter us from this unless one of us feels the other is scum. Until then, we are golden. Kay?

Bert · Post Post #324 (isolation #21) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:44 pm

In post 322, DoctorPepper wrote:Bert, that toxic banana post was newbie play, not scum play. I was cautious as fuck when I was a newbie in my first game.

OK. Too late at night for me to go back and look, but for some reason I got the impression he came over from EM, which would take away his newb excuse/pass. I remember my first game as well, so yes I can budge on that. I am very wary of this player, nonetheless.

As for TNE, I've been skimming through some of his old games now that I'm in a game with him. Not liking what I see from him/her in this game - his tone seems forced, trying too hard. This is from my gut....TNE you said "I'm underestimating the value gut and meta tells." Gut is telling me that you're scum...reading your past game ISO's leads me to the same conclusion.

Fuzzy's opening is pretty town I think after reading ISO's and the game again. Guy is leaning town, but please keep in mind I haven't seen most of these players as both alignments.

Fsnake *might* be a possible scum partner for TNE, because it's really easy for TNE to just say "yeah, that guy is town because of X game" so soon. I read through FSnake's posts, and I don't see anything stick out to me. Maybe TNE, your read on FSnake is something you can explain more in depth sometime. Because right now it looks like a sketchy read at best, like DoctorPepper so alluded to.

I'm not sure about Sakura's opening. I haven't seen Sakura-scum, first and foremost, and also I think I need longer to get a feel of her rhythm as she proceeds in this game. That's it for me for tonight. Gonna go to bed. Feel free to ask me some Q's. I'm content with my TNE vote. Lates.

Bert · Post Post #328 (isolation #22) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:49 pm

EBWOP: Most of all, TNE's logic and "scumhunting" is just not on par in regards to logic thus far. If anyone would like to go through his old games, let me know. I don't see his play as town. Some of his conclusions....See: "Saki is scummy; therefore he/she is scum and should be lynched" and "you two are scum x 22; stop being scummy" as concrete examples, in addition to lack of townreads until called upon. Mostly words, less substance. He promises a list but doesn't give it to us until we squeeze it out of him, and the list is quite disappointing to say the least. Promise of an actual list > the actual product. I saw better in his past games.

So no, I don't think TNE's play at this point is pro-town at all.

TNE, explain why Sakura is town please. Your targets (Saki and me) are freakin' easy lynch bait/targets, and that is hilarious. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AW NAW

Bert · Post Post #329 (isolation #23) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:51 pm

In post 325, FSnake wrote:so much to read in the early morning. that said i prefer short posts and more pages over one page with monumental posts one after another.

Bert why do you insist to sheep saki or that she sheeps you? Why don't you let it come naturally if your chemistry is so good after that other game?

Me too. I dislike games full of walls.

I feel that if we are together and on the same page, our two votes and two voices are much more powerful than one, especially when choosing a target with whatever "reason/logic" we wish to pursue. We need to be on the same page, and I'm inclined to bargain with him/her until I feel we are united.

Bert · Post Post #332 (isolation #24) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:57 pm

Yes, FSnake, the soft-ICing and mom-playing (<3 Rach) is her style

Saki I thought you were the guyest guy in the history of guys

Bert · Post Post #335 (isolation #25) » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:36 pm

Did you look back at the HunterxHunter game? I ask because it looks like you made up your mind

Bert · Post Post #367 (isolation #26) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:07 am

Hmm...

I wake up with two votes...

that's cool.

In post 362, fuzzybutternut wrote:Bert is scum because he said my opening was town. My opening was a vote on him, which was completely serious. He's buddying. lynchlynchlynchlynchlynch

Buddying is a scumtell for me? Are you kidding me

Bert · Post Post #369 (isolation #27) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:26 am

In post 362, fuzzybutternut wrote:Bert is scum because he said my opening was town. My opening was a vote on him, which was completely serious. He's buddying. lynchlynchlynchlynchlynch

You're still pretty obvtown with your opening.

I don't care if you're voting me or not, still obvtown is obvtown.

Bert · Post Post #383 (isolation #28) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:37 am

In post 376, Timeater wrote:sorry, forgot i'm going to have to spell everything out in this game. gif and tne are obvious town. there is no way in a thousand hells gif is this chittery-chattery as mafia throwing out townreads left and right trying to organize the discussion, no way he's that ballsy no way he's that good. he's town, his genuineness just reeks. as for tne, its sort of the same. usually people who have extremely strong convinctions and tend to think they are right all the time are town.

sakura might actually be scum considering that response, need to think about it more

Actually, 376 is pretty terribad, so I don't see why you think fuzzy isn't making a valid point.

Strong convictions + air of superiority does NOT equal town

No way chit-chattery people throwing townreads everywhere = scum?

Those two assumptions by Timeater have me scratching my head...

Bert · Post Post #390 (isolation #29) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:56 am

In post 386, Timeater wrote:well whatever, i'll be voting scum.

you can join me if you want.

Empty promises.. who is this scum you will be voting for, then?

In post 387, Saki wrote:Ah. You have no read on me? >_>

In post 388, Timeater wrote:You're town.

Why is Saki town?

Also, you get my vote for #376 because that's really really bad and almost makes me forget about TNE or toxic-banana for a moment.

Vote: Timeater

Bert · Post Post #393 (isolation #30) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:16 am

In post 391, Timeater wrote:
Why is Saki town?
Because its obvious if you aren't a noobie.

Though doctor is very probably scum (basically a poe conclusion via townreads) I will gladly lynch sakura or bert as well. Bert to a lesser degree.

What are your townreads?

You're already using PoE so I would like to see your thought process please.

Bert · Post Post #396 (isolation #31) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:55 am

#394 from toxic_banana is pretty town vibey...I am reconsidering that

In post 395, GuyInFreezer wrote:Genuine, not genius.

Also

Bert wrote:Also, you get my vote for #376 because that's really really bad and almost makes me forget about TNE or toxic-banana for a moment.
So "bad" assumption = scum?

376 was really noncommittal and it's like he/she is trying hard to present a mindset that looks like "town" or "scumhunting"

Reads as really forced.

.

Bert · Post Post #398 (isolation #32) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:00 am

It's like "forced/fake" "contemplating scumreads" if that makes sense

His deliberation seemed excessively overcontemplative <3

Bert · Post Post #402 (isolation #33) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:10 am

In post 401, toxic-banana wrote:That's a very spread set of votes we've got going there!

And what do you intend to do about it, huh?

Bert · Post Post #427 (isolation #34) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 3:28 pm

If anyone tries to lynch fuzzy today, I will come after you very, very, very slowly. <3 With pure unadulterated love

In post 415, toxic-banana wrote: You're asking the noob to organise the discussion?

No, we're asking you to contribute. You're doing fine.

Bert · Post Post #432 (isolation #35) » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:01 pm

In post 430, GuyInFreezer wrote:my bad guys I forgot that this is mafia thread and not a site chat.

What difference does it make for you

Bert · Post Post #489 (isolation #36) » Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:24 am

Saki why are you tunneling Sakura for the past day or so?

Bert · Post Post #493 (isolation #37) » Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:56 am

Holy shit, GIF, our scumreads are the same. Holy shit. <3

Unfortunately I have never (knowingly) seen Rach-scum, so I'll have to trust you guys on your Rach read. Her IC-tone makes me naturally lean town no matter what game I'm in.. :/

It's funny you listed yourself as a townread.

There's something I don't really like about FSnake - why is he/she town again, so I can be assuaged? Jury's still out on Sakura for me. We'll see...

Bert · Post Post #494 (isolation #38) » Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:58 am

EBWOP: Is there a difference between Saki's scumplay and townplay that I should know about before I make my conclusion on him? Because I'm starting to lean scum but I would like someone who has seen Saki-scum to let me know what to look for in their play discrepancies.

Bert · Post Post #533 (isolation #39) » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:19 am

In post 519, Timeater wrote:im goku and your bulma. thats the difference in power levels.

ok let me lay down some wisdom

fuzzy is probably town
gif is probably town
toxic is obviously town
saki is obviously town
bert is probably town
though i wouldnt mind
lynching him lol
Fnsake is probably town
tne is obviously town

that leaves a couple people

game is easy

Please don't go all "game is easy" (aka "we got this, don't worry, I'm super confident") on us. The way you said that makes me quite uncomfortable.

In other news, toxic-banana I think is newb-town (especially with his recent posts). But yeah, more votes on timeater would be really nice. Most of his posts have been screaming scummy.

Bert · Post Post #540 (isolation #40) » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:33 am

In post 537, Timeater wrote:bertholomeu

im a grizzled mafia veteran whos played thousands of games

i think ive earned the right to be a little aloof

You haven't earned any rights for this game, so get off your high horse please.

Bert · Post Post #602 (isolation #41) » Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:35 pm

In post 582, fuzzybutternut wrote:*really doesn't want to lynch Sakura today now*

Sarcasm? lol

In post 578, Aquaman wrote:Okay, so I've read through the game (more or less, I may have skimmed a bit because there's a lot of posts).

Right now, I'm thinking Sakura and TNE as scum. Sakura for tunneling and some (imo) poor reasoning. TNE had some weak reasoning and jumped on something I thought was pretty innocuous (that whole 'being scummy' from Saki).

Vote: Sakura

I also have a weak scumread on Saki, but it isn't as strong as the other two at the moment.

What has Saki done that's scummy? Elaborate?

Also, yall rock btw this game is gonna rock my socks yalll

Let's give everyone some reason to PARTAYYYYY /ok leaving this thread now

Bert · Post Post #616 (isolation #42) » Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:31 am

GIF, I'm counting on you, bub <3

Vote: Rach

That's lynch -2.

Bert · Post Post #627 (isolation #43) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:53 am

I believed your read on Rach, even if you just suddenly went from "Rach might be scum" to "VOTE: RACH" after a few posts of hers.

I've never seen Rach-scum before, but you seemed town and my natural inclination was to sheep you.

During the night, I thought about the game and read it again.

Don't like Aquaman, but we need to see more from him/her.

Still don't like Timeater or TNE. I think there's scum in there.

Bert · Post Post #634 (isolation #44) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:02 pm

In post 628, toxic-banana wrote:It feels like that was a long night!

And also, no night kill? Do we have a roleblocker out there who knows the identity of one of the remaining scums?

I wouldn't reccomend that they roleclaim at this stage, but that's interesting information to have.

Can someone more familiar with the online version of this game tell me if we have another RVS at this point or not?

Oh no. Why do you automatically assume it's a roleblocker that might have stopped the kill?

Bert · Post Post #635 (isolation #45) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:03 pm

P-edit: OK, I see your point. Mac, I like your instincts. I'm going to read back on Saki's ISO.

Bert · Post Post #647 (isolation #46) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:15 pm

GIF do you have experience with TNE?

Also, if GIF is the scum and totally "started" the wagon on Rach, then that's a totally different story and I can't 100% discount it at this point.

I would like to know what you saw in Rach's last few posts (two lengthy paragraphs) that suggested she was scum...was it gut?

Toxic has been pretty bad, yes.

Bert · Post Post #650 (isolation #47) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:17 pm

EBWOP: Toxic is getting the newb-town pass, and you all started convincing me he was town after I initially voted him D1, and it was working...anyways I need a re-read...gonna shut up for a few hours.

Be glad.

P-edit: Depends, Toxic. I heard somewhere about the scum often jumping in the middle of wagons (3rd vote or something)...hammer too...but that's a guessin game I'm afraid and no use for me to talk about. Sorry, rambling here.

Bert · Post Post #658 (isolation #48) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:34 pm

GIF, what do you think of Mac so far. I don't remember him ever really being this interested/actively advancing the game in this way, so I'm just suspicious...but the way he changed so freakin fast from voting Saki to toxic banana gives me townvibes..I'm conflicted.

Aquaman I don't like the timing of your vote meh... gut doesnt like it one bit

Bert · Post Post #659 (isolation #49) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:36 pm

In post 657, Aquaman wrote:From what little of Rach's posts there are, it does feel like she's lightly coaching Toxic. Between that and their mutual townreads, I think Toxic's probably scum. After that, I'm thinking the last scum is probably one of Sakura or TNE. But first things first:

Vote: ToxicBanana

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH scumdar pinging. You basically repeated what everyone said about Rach. I have a really bad feeling about this. Do you have any townreads at the moment?

Bert · Post Post #662 (isolation #50) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:40 pm

Wow FSnake we are thinking the same thing.

I'm thinking I'm gonna vote Aquaman.

Vote: Aquaman

not sure about Saki yet, because honestly Saki is a hammerer regardless of alignment. I think Saki scum is more timid than that if she/he is bussing a scumbuddy, but idk..

P-edit: Dangit, why do several of you have to be so scummy (Timeater, Aquaman in particular). I came into today thinking about you two and TNE, and now Aquaman you are confirming my suspicions.....

dangit

Bert · Post Post #676 (isolation #51) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:52 pm

In post 664, DoctorPepper wrote:I think Saki could be town for that hammer. I've seen town Saki quickhammer day 1 but I never see scum Saki quickhammer unless its lylo.

Saki's the lynchbait that scum probably want to go after today for a mislynch. I think the jury's still out on Saki. I doubt scum Saki would hammer scum, so I am leaning town on Saki. I have yet to see that happen so I agree. The problem with unpredictable players... *sigh*

The pool I'm looking at is <Timeater, toxic, aquaman, TNE>

Timeater's one of those scum reads where I'm confident about it, but I can't put together a convincing case. *shrug* if anyone can help with that, feel free (looks like you all are starting to

)

Aqua I'm confident in my scumread on him - don't care about his experience - he's not posting like a total newb, so I won't treat him like a total newb.

Toxic is so freakin lynchable, that he/she is the least confident of the four I'm looking into. TNE I'm not quite sure yet, but I'm leaning scum.

Strongest scum reads on Aquaman and Timeater....and Aquaman voting toxic banana right off the bat irks me.

I'm also still working on a read for Mac because his playstyle here (so active, interested, advancing the game) has me raising an eyebrow

Bert · Post Post #686 (isolation #52) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:53 pm

In post 678, GuyInFreezer wrote:I believe Mac was pretty active in Xeno.

OK, I am a little assuaged to hear that.

Also, I have a feeling GIF was probably the scum-kill choice. That or Fuzzy IMO, but probably GIF because he sorta led the Rach lynch.

Bert · Post Post #689 (isolation #53) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:00 pm

I'm just saying this so that if the person who stopped the kill hears it (whoever it is), that they continue doing what they're doing...and don't assume the scum are clever and won't try to kill whoever they targeted again.

I'm not leading an attack with it.

And yeah, GIF, I usually don't read walls either, just like you don't do paragraphs lol

Bert · Post Post #693 (isolation #54) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:09 pm

OK sorry. I'll stop.

Bert · Post Post #695 (isolation #55) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:12 pm

So I'm finally back and re-reading, and tada........I brought you all some cookies tonight.

Bert · Post Post #697 (isolation #56) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:19 pm

In post 486, Sakura Hana wrote:Nah Saki, you're scum with Bert.

Stuff like this on D1 makes me want to scream for help reading Sakura. Help me out here, guys. Going after the two easiest targets...REALLY? I seek to be comforted lol.

In post 656, GuyInFreezer wrote:Also rach always townreads her scumbuddies but she only gave out one read that's a townread so I'm not sure.
Or am I over thinking it?

Yeah, the minuscule sample size is what is making me reluctant, that and Aquaman throwing his vote on him/her.

In post 654, FSnake wrote: if there was a bus-vote i think Sakura and Bert are more likely to have made them than the other two

Why are Sakura and I more likely than Fuzzy or Saki to have bussed Rach?

In post 669, Mac wrote:like im considering dropping the quickhammer as a reason for saki being scum but i will never ever find him town for it and i dont think anyone else should either.

Not a scumtell for Saki, but it's not townie either. More null.

Bert · Post Post #703 (isolation #57) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:37 pm

Saki, why aren't you voting anybody or tunneling Sakura or something Saki-like?

Also, I'm waiting for Timeater and TNE to come in soon and chime in about what's going on and who they suspect. If you two read this, comment about the current wagons, please.

Then we can evaluate.

Bert · Post Post #711 (isolation #58) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:46 pm

In post 705, fuzzybutternut wrote: I have a biased scum read on TNE.

Me too. Waiting for him to get back though, and for more discussion to pick up before I possibly consider voting him again. I like my vote on Aquaman-scum as much as you like your vote on toxic.

Bert · Post Post #712 (isolation #59) » Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:48 pm

EBWOP: Just started re-reading his (TNE's) ISO and now I remember why I didn't like him/her at all...

His arguments are so all over the place and half of it consists of head-scratchers.

Bert · Post Post #726 (isolation #60) » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:30 am

Going to my second scumread it is. Let's consolidate, my ninjas!

Vote: Timeater

You betta come back here and talk to us, ya hear?

Bert · Post Post #729 (isolation #61) » Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:54 am

In post 376, Timeater wrote:sorry, forgot i'm going to have to spell everything out in this game. gif and tne are obvious town. there is no way in a thousand hells gif is this chittery-chattery as mafia throwing out townreads left and right trying to organize the discussion, no way he's that ballsy no way he's that good. he's town, his genuineness just reeks. as for tne, its sort of the same. usually people who have extremely strong convinctions and tend to think they are right all the time are town.

sakura might actually be scum considering that response, need to think about it more

The way he goes "THERE IS NO WAY HE'S THAT GOOD, BLAH BLAH BLAH"

Stuff like that wreaks of scum, and that's not even going into what DoctorPepper is mentioning. I actually think toxic-banana is newb-town after reading the ISO's and debating for a while last night. Toxic made a good point about Aquaman just then too, with his noncommittal qualifiers like "probably" etc.

I know there is scum in Aquaman and Timeater, if not both. Gut is too strong after reading their posts. I definitely see scum

Bert · Post Post #732 (isolation #62) » Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:40 am

The wagon's timing was SOOOOOOOOOO incredibly fast that I can't tell if there were scum on there for sure.

I'm not even sure that scum had the time to process the probability/possibility that Rach might be speedlynched in a flash wagon type lynch.

That's why flash wagons sometimes bother me because it doesn't give us as much information. *shrug* But yeah, I can't read Sakura worth anything either so I'm just gonna go with what my townreads think of her.

Bert · Post Post #733 (isolation #63) » Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:40 am

EBWOP: Actually of the people on the wagon, I'm most suspicious of Mac.

Bert · Post Post #755 (isolation #64) » Wed Aug 07, 2013 5:04 pm

Wow....

That claim felt so forced - might be vanilla claiming PR or scum claiming PR

Can't tell if this is trolling or not

Why not try to help town after claiming - instead of saying "get off me" and pointing blind fingers

:/ I'm confused.

Bert · Post Post #771 (isolation #65) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:55 am

VOTE: Aquaman

Bert · Post Post #783 (isolation #66) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:12 am

NICE SO I WAS RIGHT ABOUT TIMEATER

SHIT DOCTORPEPPER YOU ARE A HERO

Vote: Timeater

DIE SCUM DIE

AND GIF DON'T YOU GET ONTO ME FOR BUSSING

don't you do that to me now

Bert · Post Post #786 (isolation #67) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:14 am

In post 784, Saki wrote:hey guys I claim two shot deathless dayvig

Stop trolling around

For realz

Once no one has anything to say about Timeater faking a result/alignment,

we can lynch his sorry scumzzzzz

Bert · Post Post #791 (isolation #68) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:16 am

^^yeah, shoot aquaman unless Tim flips cop like GIF said

trust me

Bert · Post Post #794 (isolation #69) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:18 am

But seriously that Timeater claim was fake, but if i had gone on and kept voting him AFTER the claim, I would receive a lot of flak

You would expect him to try to deliberate with us and help us out afterwards, not continue weaseling around and lashing out at us

plus the delay on his full claim,

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

but yeah, pretty coached imo

P-edit: SAKI YOU ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

Bert · Post Post #797 (isolation #70) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:22 am

Saki, you scum? Why are you avoiding voting Timeater.

This is not vintage Saki. Your vote would look purdy here.

You're distracting us with stuff about vig/SK bull, and then this stuff abuot neighbors (rolefishing much?) and I know you're playing around, but get in the game yo whats wrong with ya

Bert · Post Post #799 (isolation #71) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:24 am

In post 778, DoctorPepper wrote:Why would I counterclaim as scum? If I was scum, I'd ensure my death tomorrow. And that would eliminate 2 scums cause Rach died D1. So its duimb for me to have done this as scum. But time is scum. And y'all should lynch now!

BTW if I was RB'd,
that doesnt explain the No-NK.
ME jailing scum does.

^^ read this everyone lol

Bert · Post Post #803 (isolation #72) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:25 am

No, it's lynch -2

You can be the theoretical hammerer then

I'll bring you cookies AFTER you hammer.

so that you don't play mischief <3

Bert · Post Post #805 (isolation #73) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:41 am

<Aquaman, TNE> scum pool, with Aqua leading

<DoctorP, Fuzzy, GIF, Toxic> - very town

<Mac, Saki> - probably town

<Sakura, Fsnake> null-leaning town

There hasn't been a real lurker, so probably the last scum is in <Aquaman, TNE> tbh, pretty confident about Aquaman-scum with TNE as a secondary if I'm wrong about Aqua

And this is why I get lynched a lot, since I give gut reads hahahaha

Mac is probably town b/c I don't see Timeater-scum proclaiming an innocent on his scumbuddy (am I wise to assume that)..

DoctorPepper, Fuzzy, GIF town

Saki's probably town

Sakura I don't know, as I can't read her worth anything, but no one else can be compared to Aquaman (or even TNE)

Starting to like FSnake, but not quite sure about him/her...a little flashback to Don Johnson with his being friendly with me (his ways), but leaning town

toxic is pretty obvtown, once I got past my initial reactions and looked at the bigger picture - more easy bait than anything

Bert · Post Post #807 (isolation #74) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:46 am

In post 806, Saki wrote:
In post 805, Bert wrote:more easy bait than anything
that is horribly biased

what reads aren't?

I'm pretty confident in toxic-town, tbh, I tried not giving that player a newb-town pass, but his/her posts scream town after I thought about it for a while

if you just go..."this is an experienced player," then believe me I'd be all over toxic in 30 seconds...but the way she/he is feeling us out and everything is so genuine

Also, I'm pretty sure you are town by the way you slam-hammered Rach, the way you just fake-claimed shit that could get you in deep, deep trouble (VIg (which is like SK...LOL really?) Now that is the vintage Saki I was missing

Bert · Post Post #808 (isolation #75) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:47 am

EBWOP: And if you think about it, Cop is like the perfect coached claim if you're scum and about to be lynched WAYYYYYYYY early in the game (especially with our amazing speed-sheeplynch abilities), which means scum might already have the odds against them if they're put in that position

Bert · Post Post #814 (isolation #76) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:57 am

In post 812, Timeater wrote:lucky

TWO DOWN

ONE TO GO

Bert · Post Post #816 (isolation #77) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:59 am

In post 815, GuyInFreezer wrote:How do you know that there's three scum, Bert? :3

probably a 3-10 setup like most normal games, duh

Bert · Post Post #817 (isolation #78) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:59 am

4-9 would be really scumsided IMO

Bert · Post Post #822 (isolation #79) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:01 am

2-11 would be pretty bad for scum unless it's mountainous

3-10 is just right especialyl since there's a JK already

4-9 doesn't make sense unless it's nightless or something or town has some pretty awesome roles

Bert · Post Post #825 (isolation #80) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:02 am

yeah I hope you don't die DP, hopefully the scum don't have a roleblocker to RB you

Bert · Post Post #930 (isolation #81) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:33 am

Last scum is Aquaman.

If for some reason I'm wrong (doubt it), then TNE.

If all goes wrong, I'll have to re-evaluate (doubt it). FSnake might be the wildcard.

Bert · Post Post #932 (isolation #82) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:35 am

We need to finish the day off quickly IMO because Timeater is goign to bring in Wifom that is detrimental to our mindset.

So please vote him and end the day please before he continues playing with us.

Bert · Post Post #933 (isolation #83) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:36 am

In post 931, Saki wrote:
In post 930, Bert wrote:Last scum is Aquaman.

If for some reason I'm wrong (doubt it), then TNE.

If all goes wrong, I'll have to re-evaluate (doubt it). FSnake might be the wildcard.
why are you acting so matter-of-factly
that's not like bert

you dying tonight or something?

Go look at our one completed game together (513 Nightless) and tell me how my play here is ANY different than my play there.

IT'S NOT.

Gut reads galore.

Bert · Post Post #935 (isolation #84) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:45 am

I'm not a mason with you. I'm not a neighbor with you. Also, I'm confident in Aquaman as scum with Timeater. Also, I had my vote on Timeater until the last minute when I decided to sheep and help you all speedlynch/flashwagon Rach.

In post 383, Bert wrote:
In post 376, Timeater wrote:sorry, forgot i'm going to have to spell everything out in this game. gif and tne are obvious town. there is no way in a thousand hells gif is this chittery-chattery as mafia throwing out townreads left and right trying to organize the discussion, no way he's that ballsy no way he's that good. he's town, his genuineness just reeks. as for tne, its sort of the same. usually people who have extremely strong convinctions and tend to think they are right all the time are town.

sakura might actually be scum considering that response, need to think about it more
Actually, 376 is pretty terribad, so I don't see why you think fuzzy isn't making a valid point.

Strong convictions + air of superiority does NOT equal town

No way chit-chattery people throwing townreads everywhere = scum?

Those two assumptions by Timeater have me scratching my head...

In post 390, Bert wrote:
In post 386, Timeater wrote:well whatever, i'll be voting scum.

you can join me if you want.
Empty promises.. who is this scum you will be voting for, then?

In post 387, Saki wrote:Ah. You have no read on me? >_>

In post 388, Timeater wrote:You're town.
Why is Saki town?

Also, you get my vote for #376 because that's really really bad and almost makes me forget about TNE or toxic-banana for a moment.

Vote: Timeater

Stop messing with me lol. And just end the day before Timeater spews a ton of WIFOM that could get us in big trouble.

Bert · Post Post #940 (isolation #85) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:52 am

In post 939, Saki wrote:
In post 938, fuzzybutternut wrote:Hey guys, let's lynch Time like, now. Kay?
time or tne, sure.

Confirmed scum FIRST. ALWAYS lynch confirmed scum first.

Therefore, DoctorPepper has a better chance of jailkeeping and preventing a kill (if Mafia has no RB and TE isn't a RB).

Kay?

Bert · Post Post #944 (isolation #86) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:20 am

In post 728, toxic-banana wrote:
In post 619, Aquaman wrote:
In post 602, Bert wrote:What has Saki done that's scummy? Elaborate?
Well, it's mostly gut, I think. Something just feels off about her to me. It might just be that I'm not a huge fan of spamposting.

Anyway, what's the case on Rach? Is she just a lot less active than usual or is something different about her play or what? Because I see people sheeping on GiF and I don't quite understand why.
I was reading back through the thread again and found this interesting. Aquaman defended Rach, in the typically inconclusive terms of a scum member trying to stay on the side of the town.

After ISO'ing Aqua, it turns out he doesn't like evidence very much. Everything he's saying is conditioned with 'probably' and other such qualifiers as well, of course making it easier to go back on oneself in the event of a change in the town consensus.

Quit with the 'probably's and the maybes and stick your neck out.

VOTE: Aquaman

This is a good example of why Aquaman set my scumdar pinging as I was re-reading Day 1 during the night.

In post 677, FSnake wrote:yeah i too think Timeater is town and your push on him feels a little like omgus because he has you in is scumreads. @pepper

In post 681, FSnake wrote:VOTE: Aquaman

FSnake sort of redirects in this sequence (not all quoted here) when the Timeater wagon is gaining steam...I think he should be looked at closely...his ISO and looking at that part of the game might make it make more sense.

So I can see what people with suspicions on FSnake are saying.

But yes, I am not going to stop being tunnely until Aquaman is OUTTA HERE. His ISO feels SOOOOOOOO off and is screaming scum every which way. I can't even explain it clearly, but you guys can help the wagon gain steam tomorrow.

Bert · Post Post #945 (isolation #87) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:21 am

In post 943, FSnake wrote:VOTE: Timeater
now L-2, not that it matters much.

It matters. We need one more person to vote before Saki lays down the HAMMA

Bert · Post Post #947 (isolation #88) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:31 am

In post 946, Saki wrote:yes, the hammer.

why are you so eager to pass the hammer, though?

I dun wanna hear any more wifom from a confirmed scum because it can harm us more than it can help us IMO

I don't want to let him/her hinder our current vibes and throw us off the trail to SCUMMMMMMMMM

Bert · Post Post #949 (isolation #89) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:37 am

OK I like your response.

What are your reads? (townreads, scumreads, etc.) Excluding Timeater

Bert · Post Post #951 (isolation #90) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:44 am

OK we are frighteningly on the same page with regard to reads...

like you alluded to earlier

Bert · Post Post #953 (isolation #91) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:48 am

In post 950, FSnake wrote:Town: DP, GiF, Fuzzy, Toxic and you
Null: Mac, Sakura, Saki
Scum: TNE and Aquaman

In post 805, Bert wrote:<Aquaman, TNE> scum pool, with Aqua leading

<DoctorP, Fuzzy, GIF, Toxic> - very town

<Mac, Saki> - probably town

<Sakura, Fsnake> null-leaning town

Bert · Post Post #955 (isolation #92) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:51 am

Does your decision on TNE have to do with your prior game with him/her

Bert · Post Post #970 (isolation #93) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:23 am

In post 969, Sakura Hana wrote: Because of all the WIFOM and muddying waters, that's why confscum needs to die ASAP.

^ Sakura's right

That's exactly what confscum wants us to feel

Bert · Post Post #976 (isolation #94) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:28 am

If any of you walk in:
Mac
toxic-banana
Sakura Hana
Aquaman
thenewearth
GuyInFreezer

Please vote timeater who is conf-scum and hammer.

P-edit: it is now lynch -1.

Bert · Post Post #977 (isolation #95) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:29 am

EBWOP: *oops missed Sakura's vote on Timeater. It's still lynch -1 though.

It's Fuzzy, Bert, DoctorPepper, Sakura, FSnake, Saki currently (6)

Bert · Post Post #983 (isolation #96) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:43 am

I missed it. DoctorPepper wasn't voting Timeater, so it was just FSnake, Saki, Bert, Fuzzy, GIF, Sakura (6)

Bert · Post Post #986 (isolation #97) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:53 am

Do us a favor and hammer yourself

You're done.

Bert · Post Post #991 (isolation #98) » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:03 am

Jail Aquaman please.

Bert · Post Post #995 (isolation #99) » Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:22 am

Hope DoctorPepper comes in and tells us who he jailed.

Bert · Post Post #996 (isolation #100) » Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:33 am

Well at least that Day 2 craziness with Timeater is done. He threw WIFOM at us and made the game out of whack for a while.

Vote: Aquaman

Bert · Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:26 am

Fuzzy go read the game again. Lol

GIF I actually miss Saki. This is two games in a row with him/her where she/he has gotten shot after the second day

Bert · Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:19 am

You're still thinking TNE?

Bert · Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:30 am

Oh mann...

Saki was pretty obvtown.

Dangit.

Bert · Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:38 am

I'll help you all lynch TNE for sure (or maybe Sakura - who I have no confidence reading) if you'll shoot Aqua or lynch him tomorrow lol

Bert · Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:39 am

And Fuzzy, it's a strong gut read for Aqua from when I re-read the game during Night 1. And it was reinforced Day 2. You can read one of toxic's posts or even FSnake's where they have made cases on Aqua

and Aww GIF

Bert · Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:43 am

And Aquaman joined on the 29th of July.....

Bert · Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:55 pm

Lol I miss Saki and her impulsive quickhammers

I suck at making cases...always a gut reader and nothing much more hahaha oh wait that's why I get lynched as useless as all alignments

ANYWHO...my closing PoE before aforementioned HAMMA (wishful thinking) comes down on Aqua-scumbag...Towniest to least townie

DoctorPepper

- bussing and declaring JKing scum with 1 scum down on D2...town to me

fuzzybutternut, toxic-banana, GuyInFreezer

- pretty town (gut)

FSnake

- jailed by DP and kills went through...probably town...had a little paranoia about this guy in the back of my mind but gut said town, brain said watch out...now with DP's result I feel comfortable with town on him/her

Sakura Hana

- can't read worth anything but ppl say she/he is town

thenewearth

- plays like a wild man (ohey, meet me, Bert-derp) in all games apparently, and Fuzzy says might be scum, and his play has been "scummy" but can't determine if scummy = scum in this case...was in my initial scumread pool during my N1 re-read along with timeater and Aqua...would only lynch this player if Aquaman somehow flips town (doubt it)...all that "SAKI YOU N BERT R SCUM TOGETHER, HI SAKI AKA BUSSER" stuff was so freakin blatant, I doubt it was faked...came off initially as super scummy because it made no sense, but it's hard to tell if this person is avoiding serious play (as scum) by being this way...or just being chatty super wild town

Aquaman

- strongest gut scumread in scumreading histories <3

Bert · Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:35 pm

Lol you all just reminded me that Guy fake claimed hider in my marathon game with him....

Totally forgot about that

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5085637

He fake claimed as scum after Mollie tracked him

Dang, I forgot he has a reputation for fake claiming

Now I am paranoid about you GIF after another claim...

Bert · Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:36 pm

EBWOP: that is my only recent experience with GIF other than a very brief game in Polygamist

Bert · Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:48 pm

Nah, thinking too far...Mollie was RB in that game...what I said doesnt matter...What incentive did GIF have to out himself as vig...which just confuses me, that's all, especially the timing

Sorry I'm distracting. Aquaman please come in and claim so you can be hammered, scumbag!

Bert · Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:57 am

In post 737, Aquaman wrote:
In post 694, FSnake wrote:@Aquaman - what is your general experience with mafia-games. did you play it before off- or online?
I've played on another site before. Their playstyle is pretty different from here, though, and it's been about a year since I've played.

As for Timeater, I skimmed his iso and some of his posts do look really bad, but I think he probably needs to be prodded so he can respond before actually lynching. Looks like he hasn't posted on D2 at all.

@DoctorPepper: He's not new to mafia.

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:47 am

Vote: TNE

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:33 am

Unvote

Yeah, DP you should out who you're jailing.

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:33 am

TNE has been inactive sitewide :/ btw

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:21 am

Vote: Aquaman

Yeah, I'm still feeling Aqua more than TNE. Let's have more discussion then.

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:51 am

Yes. Between my two top scum reads. Not feeling TNE as much as Aqua, so I feel we should talk more.

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:53 am

I also did see your Duck Duck Goose game. Don't *think* you're scum here

But not confident lol

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:45 am

Sakura, GIG claimed even-night vig so he can't shoot tonight

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:45 am

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:11 pm

In post 1075, Aquaman wrote:
In post 1039, FSnake wrote:any reasons for those reads or just gut?
TNE I remember had some pretty bad attacks here and there (iirc her attack on Saki D2 struck me as scum). I think Toxic is scum mostly because of connections to Rach, tbh.

Why did you wait until lynch -1 to even mention TNE's name AT ALL? You haven't once mentioned that his/her attack on Saki was bad, or even remarked on the Saki-TNE exchange, for that matter. Also, you think Toxic is scum because of Rach's one newbtown read (the only read she ever gave)?

In post 1073, thenewearth wrote: Fuzzy is pretty much conftown to me because of reasons. (I'll let him decide if he wants to claim it)

Huh?

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:18 pm

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

I'M SO LOST

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:19 pm

Oh hell no

oh no

not this neighbor thing again

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:21 pm

If there are more than one pair of neighbors, I'm going to scream

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:22 pm

I actually kinda want to lynch TNE now :/

Yeah,

Vote: TNE

And you voted him to start the day and still have your vote on him. What's up with that...

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:54 pm

In post 1091, GuyInFreezer wrote:Hey he claimed vig too.
I shot him for it just in case lol.

Oh my lord.

For the first time, I understand why you shot Saki.

I get it. Although I could tell Saki was joking, I can see your point of view now.

AHHHHHHHHHHH

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:56 pm

Lynching one of Aquaman/TNE and JKing the other if the person lynched flips town today is OK with me, actually.

AH

This will come down to PoE for me but I'm really worried that something's wrong and one of the people getting universally read as town is actually scum. That's far in the back of my mind though.

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:58 pm

Fuzzy how will you know if TNE is scum before lylo?

Bert · Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:30 pm

Unvote

to avoid derphammers

Err... Aquaman is experienced elsewhere, as has been pointed out so he is not a newb

Yes, his post/claim was pretty frighteningly calm...isn't alignment indicative for me though

Sorry, guys, gut keeps screaming scum for Aqua lol

Bert · Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:56 am

In post 1112, Sakura Hana wrote:Me obviously, he's been voting me for a while.

He hasn't really mentioned anything about you, aside from voting you. Also:

In post 1048, DoctorPepper wrote:I think newbie scum would act less nonchalantly compared to Aquaman.

If it was newbie scum it could be toxic banana

Maybe for WIFOM reasons, scum decided not to kill me to get the newbs killed (which is something I do not understand)

So scum could be in {fuzzy, Sakura, tne, Bert} if not the newbs

Damn, this is confusing

Anyways, I will now put forth my trust in FSnake and go VOTE: TNE

Bert · Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:27 am

Yup. You and Fuzzy have played with him/her before and have a scumread, so I'm gonna go along with that. If there were two scum remaining (I hope there aren't), than I'd happily lynch Aquaman or TNE in no particular order.

Bert · Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:43 am

I just looked at Gaiden in 1404 after you all mentioned newb passes. Oh god, the graveyard QT...

Bert · Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:39 pm

No, your logic is sound. He should tell us IMHO

Bert · Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:44 pm

If we can control who dies (or doesn't die), then that is OK with me. If scum want to no-kill and implicate people we deem scummy, we can play that game.

Nah, that makes my head hurt to think about. But yes, Sakura is right on the money. Tell us, brotha

Bert · Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:19 pm

I'm fine with whoever you choose

If you're deciding between Sakura Banana Fuzzy and me

Priorities (my biased ones from 1 to 4):

Sakura
Banana
Fuzzy/Bert

Bert · Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:59 pm

Toxic sounds good, DP. To make sure he's not getting the newb card for the wrong reason

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:41 am

Yay one less newb pass to give!!

Welcome Guyett!

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:17 am

Let's give read lists?

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:59 pm

Vote: Sakura

Then who will you jail instead, DP?

Lynch -1 Claim time, <3

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:15 pm

OK DP you can jail me

but a kill is SOOOOOOO happening tomorrow if Sakura isn't scum

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:15 pm

*tonight

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:18 pm

In post 1163, Guyett wrote:
In post 1161, DoctorPepper wrote:Bert.
clever choice, his behavior on the TNE wagon was also suspect

Yes. But also remember that I sheeped Rach's wagon and I went after Timeater (and TNE) D1. And also Aqua D2.

But whatever.

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:19 pm

In post 1163, Guyett wrote:
In post 1161, DoctorPepper wrote:Bert.
clever choice, his behavior on the TNE wagon was also suspect

Also, being tired isn't really an excuse to not give any gut reads (as to who you think is scum/town)...

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:21 pm

Oh, and last comment is if DP doesn't die tonight (and someone else dies tonight instead), then we're gonna have to take one hard look at DP's behavior

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:25 pm

And this paranoia is a scumtell why?

I actually think I've been as townie as Bert gets this game, so I'm surprised you're choosing me over some other choices. It's also frustrating that we've had to put up with so many wagons at lynch -1 today, and you aren't exactly cooperative with any of them, and somehow this "confirmed JK" status gives you the right to do whatever you want and direct us.

And is it not strange that no one is going "there is something wrong since DP is still alive." There IS something strange going on, because it does not make sense why a claimed JK survives, and someone like Mac gets killed instead. MAC, who wasn't exactly the most townie or strongest player.

Right now,

my gut is still <Aquaman> as the last scum. But I am having to go with whoever you all go with to consolidate votes, as others aren't with me on Aqua.

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:27 pm

EBWOP: Frankly, I don't think it matters who we choose, but if it helps narrow down the choices (or I'm wrong about Aqua AND then TNE as a second scumspect) then I'm all for it. We have several mislynches to use. So I'm going to vote whoever is left that everyone else is voting. Because only ONE scum (most definitely with this setup) remains. All but ONE are townie and control the vote. I will vote with them.

I just don't like how you are going to use your JK on me tonight. Why not vote me now, and why was your priority Banana earlier and suddenly it's me? What has Guyett done to warrant such status?

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:30 pm

In post 1170, DoctorPepper wrote:Its weird that you start suspecting me when I suspected you

Because I find your choices for JKing especially (and to a lesser extent for lynching today) (so far) pretty dubious.

That's why I'm getting paranoid now.

In a perfect Bert world, it would be Aqua or TNE first, then one gets JKed (assuming you're town, DP). It's not guaranteed you're town.

Sakura is OK because I can't read her like I've said many times, so she's a 50/50 although from glancing at her past scum games I *think* she is likely town. But I can't read her worth anything. There's nothing like being in the same game with someone, rather than glancing at past games.

The other people are town to me (Fuzzy, GIF, FSnake, Toxic/Guyett, etc.) SO FAR in this game

so it's down to those 3...or you.

I'm not afraid of being jailed tonight. Jail me, but it's frustrating that we were so close to a perfect win (before the NK), and this happened. And we're going to mislynch because I'm 90% sure Aqua or TNE is the last scum. And so I am frustrated with the direction we have partaken.

But PLEASE JAIL ME if it helps or floats your boat.

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:37 pm

Honestly I'll pull a deal for lynching me now, jailing Aqua night 3 if it floats your boat.

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:39 pm

It's called a change of mind, since our choices are changing so fast. Three lynch -1 wagons...

We didn't even get to see TNE react or claim

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:43 pm

Okay no more Bert sheeping today.

Vote: Aquaman

P-edit: Sakura hops onto wagons, that's nothing new. what about the speed? It's just like shooting Saki for spouting nonsense...which was bad bad bad

P-edit: GIF won't be clear. You won't be until you're dead. No one is actually clear

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:44 pm

It's like "oh hi guys Im a fruit vendor and look no one's counter claiming me." I'm clear because I sent X some fruit

Hahahaha no

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:20 pm

I've seen scum bus every single partner and list all of them in reads and bus hard. So no.

You can ride several mislynches and win the game solo, DP.

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:21 pm

What it does is get you looking pretty beautiful and puts you in good position to lead a couple of mislynches (especially with your counterclaim) - on to a win.

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:43 pm

In post 1197, Guyett wrote:Bert could you put some thoughts into a single post of who you think is scum because you seem to be jumping between a lot of different people over the last few pages

SCUM FIRST TIER <Aquaman>

SCUM SECOND TIER <TNE>

CONFUSED/NULL/SLIGHTLY LEANING TOWN <Sakura, Guyett>

TOWN <Fuzzy, DoctorPepper, GIF, FSnake>

(I think Toxic was more townie than Guyett tbh...but then again my only experience with Guyett is him walking into a marathon game drunk as hell and as scum)

WILL VOTE FOR Aquaman OR TNE

CAN settle for Sakura or Guyett if there are no other options, and it looks like TNE/AQUAMAN options are exhausted and we are gonna let both of them go free today

SOOOOOOOOO...that is why I changed wagons

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:45 pm

EBWOP: Just because I'm questioning DoctorPepper is just ME feeling HIM out and seeing how he reacts

Because there is that sneaking suspicion in the back of my mind

honestly this is a pretty uncomfortable situation for town - I never thought I'd say that - next time I'm in LYLO I'll remember how I'm a spoiled brat and how good 8 vs. 1 odds actually are versus say 2 vs. 3 lylo

LOL

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:10 pm

In post 1202, GuyInFreezer wrote:I'm gonna need some time to comprehend Bert's recent posts because it breaks my heart to read them

I'm sorry. Today is one of those days where I'm really stressed out over having to move in to school dorms tomorrow.

And like it has been a long summer and all. Lol.

So my mood has been really jumpy today sorry

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:13 pm

Oh, and I typed those posts totally stream of consciousness while talking to my parents about things, so it was multi-tasking and ugh not good so personally I'm not even going to look back and read what I wrote because Bert usually never makes good sense anyway, and today is probably worse

I can see it now - BERT STOP SELLF METAING URSELF LALALALAL

*plugs up ears*

NO ITS NOT SCUMPANICKING

OK DP HAS SEEN ME AS SCUM in 507

I wasn't angry. I don't think he's scum. I was initially FRUSTRATED that he would pick ME to JAIL when in my biased mind there are better alternatives and I want HIM to stop the kill so we can go home safe and sound as lovely beautiful townies and get the beauty rest that we so lack

is that too much to ask

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:55 pm

I'm worried all this clearing is all for naught as scum will just kill the cleared at night

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:56 pm

In post 1201, Guyett wrote:I'm really only happy lynching Sakura, TNE or Aqua.

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:20 pm

TNE and Aqua need some friendly prods

Sakura is right about the paranoia of quick wagons

Watching one lovely wagon after another just dissipate in a second kinda messes with my mind

for that reason I'm not going to vote unless it's to HAMMA

just sayin'

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:30 pm

If Aqua gets to lynch -1 again, I will hammer instinctually.

You have been warned, fellow comrades

Once TNE claims, he's going down if he sees 4 votes again.

And alternatively if you lynch me, a very bad townie and potential LYLO lynchbait will die lolo
P-edit:

Unvote

I won't vote again unless its for a hammer

Honestly you shouldn't read too much into changing votes for me

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:32 pm

I just want to lynch TNE and Aqua and if all else fails then Sakura

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:13 pm

Ugh sorry I'm not thinking clearly obviously.

Ok TNE is neighbor...how could I forget that for a day...

Wow My posts and thoughts have been a mess today

Oh well zzzzzzzz time

Bert · Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:16 pm

I don't like TNE's reasons for thinking Fuzzy is town

"It was Fuzzy's anger/frustration at his role pre-d1" and "I'm confident fuzzy is town" just rub me the wrong way

Meh oh well, tne can die soon too bah

Bert · Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:53 pm

Guyett go look at me now.

Don't go "if we mislynch, ill take a look."

:/

Bert · Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:51 am

I have a bad feeling GIF is dying tonight unless protected :/

Bert · Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:52 am

What I'm trying to say is Guyett don't take for granted being alive if we mislynch

Sorry wasn't fully awake when I made a post earlier

Bert · Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:35 am

Guyett, Aqua already claimed a while back.

You need to read more carefully.

Bert · Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:42 pm

Vote: Aqua

Bert · Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:43 pm

PLEASE LET THE GAME BE OVER

Bert · Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:44 pm

I am crying in happiness. My gut instinct top scum read just got lynched.

How can I make this up to you

I am at your mercy for the rest of the game if Aqua isn't scum

Bert · Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:24 pm

In post 1152, DoctorPepper wrote:FYI, if we dont lynch Sakura today, I'll be jailing her

Sorry guys I screwed up yesterday. Dang.

So DoctorPepper said he was going to jail Sakura if we didn't lynch her, and I am being wise to assume that DP did just that and jailed Sakura.

So that eliminates FSnake and Sakura from the lynch pool.

Bert · Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:25 pm

<fuzzybutternut, Guyett, thenewearth, GuyInFreezer>

I'm gonna regroup today.

Bert · Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:02 pm

Sounds like a good plan. As long as we are right about Fuzzy, then the game should be over before D5.

VOTE: Guyett

Bert · Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:43 pm

In post 1257, FSnake wrote:Sorry for all this newbie questions. Is the Vig-shot resolved before the mafiakill?

It was in 501 Stacking the Deck, but I'm not sure about here. Good question!

Moderator: Can you answer this please?

Bert · Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:30 pm

VT here

Only Sakura and Guyett left as Fuzzy/TNE are neighbors

Bert · Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:31 pm

Yeah 1 tracker, 1 JK, 1 even-night vig + 1 or 2 town neighbors

More would be OP imo

Bert · Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:48 am

Hahahaha Toxic got the newb pass and was scum

Good game everyone - thanks ETL! <3

Bert · Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:37 am

In post 1298, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:

RachMarie, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 1.

Night 1:

Timeater kills Bert (unsuccessful)

Timeater roleblocks DoctorPepper (implosion of paradox)
DoctorPepper jails Timeater (implosion of paradox)
Saki tracks Sakura Hana (successful)

DOCTORPEPPER

YOU SAVED MY LIFE

How can I ever repay you <33333