Mini 1493: Lucky's <insert cool name here> game (GAME OVER)

[aptil]

VOTE: Squilly

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I do not understand how that RQS helps .It maybe a conversation starter in early game but surely nothing that will help us with scum hunting.

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squilly why did you vote jack of spades?

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Let's mix in an RQS. Short and punchy.

1) Level of experience.
2) Opinion on logic and intuition as they relate to scumhunting.
3) Pithy words of wisdom from a source other than you.

This is my 2nd game overall .
Both i suppose.
"I would never want to belong to any club that would have someone like me for a member"-It was said in Annie Hall, but i think the source of this sentence goes back further.

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That naked vote. Care to explain it?

How come you haven't voted yet, NicCage?

I don't feel like it yet.

Nic Cage obviously isn't voting cause he is nic cage.

Obviously. Also your vote tags are broken.

Let's mix in an RQS. Short and punchy.

1) Level of experience.
2) Opinion on logic and intuition as they relate to scumhunting.
3) Pithy words of wisdom from a source other than you.

What do you intend to get out of these RVS questions?
1.) I think I'm around 10 games
2.) I use them both. I use intuition to tell me where I should be applying logic.
3.) "There's a map on the back of the Declaration of Independence" Nicolas Cage

Also, why are you voting me, and:

VOTE: SalmonellaDreams

VOTE: Squilly

Why are you all voting random ass people rather than wagoning?

Replying to the bolded part.
I voted for someone who had not shown up yet .

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I do not understand how that RQS helps .It maybe a conversation starter in early game but surely nothing that will help us with scum hunting.

So what should we be doing to hunt?

Ask questions like the one you asked here and get some reactions.

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So they can come and react to my vote.Get all players in as soon as possible.

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They'll get here when they get here, I don't think a vote they haven't seen yet will get them here any faster.
But whatever, I accept your explanation.

you ask people to hop on a wagon yet you have not voted for anyone .

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Why are you all voting random ass people rather than wagoning?

I thought this was a question.

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It was. That doesn't mean I actually want those asked it to do anything, I just want to know why you're doing one thing rather than the other.
Do you find my not voting and my question suspicious?

So you did not mean to set off a wagon.
The not voting part is not suspicious for me yet.But the part where you said "i never asked anyone to do anything " is.

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haven't were you exact words, not never as i have posted in the post above.

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yeah, i actually agree with that

VOTE: Wake88

What do you expect to get out of this vote?

[aptil]

I thought getting reactions out of people was a good thing.

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I think anyone who is town and has some speculation should just post it .Being day1 and so speculation is not right is not the case. In fact if you are suspicious and do not air them out publicly it leads to people thinking you have anti-town behaviour .

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Kindly tell us your reads.It will surely help you ,it may help us too.

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Again just post your reads dude.I will not judge you until you post them.

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My VOTE: NicCage he is definitely the most scummy person according to me so far.

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@aptil
Nah lol.

Is this based on what you said earlier?

Is this your explanation? Ask more questions ,answer as few as possible.

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Anyhow,
VOTE: Aptil


1) Spends more time discussing meta than the actual game state.

2)

My VOTE: NicCage he is definitely the most scummy person according to me so far.

What the fuck? What in the fuckity fuck?
Three different qualifiers in one sentence? Are you kidding me?

3)

think anyone who is town and has some speculation should just post it .Being day1 and so speculation is not right is not the case. In fact if you are suspicious and do not air them out publicly it leads to people thinking you have anti-town behaviour .

Don't sprain yourself trying to avoid actually calling people scum.

4)

squilly why did you vote jack of spades?

Doesn't get an answer; doesn't follow up on it. -> Didn't actually care about the question in the first place.



The Wake dragon interests me but isn't getting my vote.

1) What was the actual game state at the time i posted ?

2)What do you mean by 3 different qualifiers ?I just said he looked scummy and have told my reasons in a post before.And yes i wanted to put my vote on him.

3) I wanted him to post his reads so i did my best to make him post it. you are assuming and drawing conclusions that i wanted to call him scum from that.

4) Squilly was not around after that.He posts 1 thing and goes away.That does not mean i was not serious about the question.When he came back and was actually going to start posting i would have asked him further questions and followed it up.

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Anyhow,
VOTE: Aptil


1) Spends more time discussing meta than the actual game state.

2)

My VOTE: NicCage he is definitely the most scummy person according to me so far.

What the fuck? What in the fuckity fuck?
Three different qualifiers in one sentence? Are you kidding me?

3)

think anyone who is town and has some speculation should just post it .Being day1 and so speculation is not right is not the case. In fact if you are suspicious and do not air them out publicly it leads to people thinking you have anti-town behaviour .

Don't sprain yourself trying to avoid actually calling people scum.

4)

squilly why did you vote jack of spades?

Doesn't get an answer; doesn't follow up on it. -> Didn't actually care about the question in the first place.



The Wake dragon interests me but isn't getting my vote.

1) What was the actual game state at the time i posted ?

2)What do you mean by 3 different qualifiers ?I just said he looked scummy and have told my reasons in a post before.And yes i wanted to put my vote on him.

3) I wanted him to post his reads so i did my best to make him post it. you are assuming and drawing conclusions that i wanted to call him scum from that.

4) Squilly was not around after that.He posts 1 thing and goes away.That does not mean i was not serious about the question.When he came back and was actually going to start posting i would have asked him further questions and followed it up.

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err double post.Can the mod edit 1 of those posts please.

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Have we caught scum already?Why are you singing?

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At this point i am thinking Wake is also one of the scums.He is trying to get people to vote him.He was doing this before as well but not many bought that. My guess is Nic is the other scum and Wake is trying to make sure we deflect from him even though he is currently posting about a wagon on Nic.
Anyways our vote should be on Nic for now and we should ignore most of wake's post now if he is going to continue like this.If Wake's claim is not true we will most likely know by day 2 and we can lynch him at that time.

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No my lynch for day1 right now is still headed in Nic's direction.

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If you think I'm Scum then vote for me. Why vote for Nic and not me, Aptil? I'm the one who's went out of his way, not him. Why exactly are you voting for him?

There is a slight chance that you might be telling the truth.There is a bigger chance of you trying to save Nic and get him out of the woods.The person who has looked the most scummy so far. We can lynch you day2 if your claim is false.So the safe and better option is to vote Nic imo.

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If you think I'm Scum then vote for me. Why vote for Nic and not me, Aptil? I'm the one who's went out of his way, not him. Why exactly are you voting for him?

There is a slight chance that you might be telling the truth.There is a bigger chance of you trying to save Nic and get him out of the woods.The person who has looked the most scummy so far. We can lynch you day2 if your claim is false.So the safe and better option is to vote Nic imo.

One moment please.

I asked you why exactly you're voting for Nic instead of me. Need more explanation, please.

Remember, my vote's still on him.

Because he has looked the most scummy so far.As i have posted before.
Also its past midnight here right now.If you want a detailed post it will have to wait till tomorrow.I am going off shortly.

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This is day1 so i do not know how strongly others feel about this read.I have quoted most of the things that i find are scum worthy posts by NicCage.

I haven't asked anyone to do anything.

An outright lie.I think he slipped up here.

It was. That doesn't mean I actually want those asked it to do anything, I just want to know why you're doing one thing rather than the other.
Do you find my not voting and my question suspicious?

This was the response to my question which was unsatisfactory to me and he just said(what he really meant by it): his first big post in this game was mostly nothing and you could have ignored me.So I will try and deflect further by asking you more questions.

It's not clear, but whatever.

Here i am not sure if he teams up with Wake or he just sees an opportunity where a heated discussion might take place and he would like to make everybody see he is trying to act town on his own.Subsequently when others see the side he has taken against wake does not seem strong to others ,he moves on to Squilly.

@aptil
Nah lol.

Is this based on what you said earlier?

This was his response to getting voted by me.This looked like nobody is going to believe you and let me just move and not actually provide any content in my post.

All in all i think he has tried to play like he is scum hunting seriously and then when most of the people have said he behaves suspiciously he has tried to go off the radar.So my vote is on Nic until he makes a valid arguement .

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I want someone to vote for Nic so that we can get a claim out of him.

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Well that might be the only way for Nic to prove to me he is innocent because his posts are just not make me feel he is town.
i am new here and sorry if that is not the policy.

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Why are archaebob and Albert asking each other for reads?Do you guys trust each oother so much?

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I got what I needed from Nic when he started going after ace. I maintained the wagon until I got what I needed from the people who were on it.


Ace case coming.

The way Nic went after ace is the same way he has been posting the whole game,i do not see much of a difference.So what did you get from it?


Looking forward to your Ace case.

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Too many replacements this game.

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LLD!

NACHO!

this game is now playable

This is quite disrespectful to other players.

watcher watches doctor, doctor protects watcher is the unbreakable combo if we hit a scum roleblocker.

I know this is a stretch but what if both role claims are false.

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Why is it not so believable that both people who have claimed tracker and watcher might be lying just to out the doctor?Atleast that is what it was looking like when i saw those posts by SD.

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Why is it not so believable that both people who have claimed tracker and watcher might be lying just to out the doctor?Atleast that is what it was looking like when i saw those posts by SD.

You're really dense, aren't you?

Yep i am really dense .I would like some answers now.If there are none please do not reply.

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From page 18 onwards ,Anti-hero is looking like the scummiest of the lot.

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1 of the 3 is lying for sure,right?
UNVOTE: for now.

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I think Lady is more likely town after reading those exchanges.
i would rather vote VOTE: Banksys Flareon

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Who is Billy?

What are you asking?

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Never mind, it's a breaking bad joke.

So you think LadyL is the right lynch for today?

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I'm voting for her, aren't I?

Yes .But i am asking you how firm are you on this decision?

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I have a question for yall. I'm thinking of Wake's early game, mostly the singing. I'm trying to see how even a blowhard town would see that as helpful to their play.

I"m wondering if the point was to draw enough attention early, to claim, and then coast on that while his scum buddy(s) could fly under the radar early game, without appearing to lurk.

I'm thinking this mainly because he claimed before he was L-1. which was odd to me. like he was to eager. and the fact that he keeps reminding us of his roleclaim, even after he has said it's not a good idea to discuss who he should follow, that's strange to me.

Yes.That is why i had read NicCage as scum.

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wait what? because of a plan that wake MIGHT have? that's a little weak

Are you trying to reply to my post?

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After all that.

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^Lol

I don't know what else to do

I think LLD's response to albert was really scummy. I see a possible Nacho LLD scumteam. I think one of the "PRs" is the other scum.

I'd like antihero to answer my question

Can you explain the Nacho-LLD scumteam?
Anti-hero is our day2 lynch if his claim does not come true.

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Anything particular about Aptil?

Yes. I'd rather not talk about that quite yet though.

Why bring it up if you do not want to pursue this line of thinking now?

[aptil]

VOTE: Anti-hero

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Why did you hammer so quickly aceofspades?

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Vote: aceofspades

and why are two people voting antihero right away?

He is scum.Just read the previous pages man.

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oh, and no result from

saki

vierra

SD what did you do last night?

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If we are not voting for claimed PR, i am fine with either NicCage or Aceofspades lynch.

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Is saki in this game?

VA= saki i think.

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VOTE: NicCage: just don't like his gameplay at all. Should have been lynched day1, lets not keep for long . He is the real threat.

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Two disgusting posts in a row now, ugh

Who are you talking about? Will you quote these disgusting posts?

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When will you stop asking questions and start giving some answers?

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Well ,this is getting boring.

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I would like NicCage to vote somebody now or at least give us a post with his reads.

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VOTE: SD-you scum.

@mod V/LA till 29/9/13

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VOTE: Banksys-your time is up .

@Aceofspades - i have not seen your meta but this has to be the worst town game that you ever played man.

[aptil]

VOTE: Banksys-your time is up .

You are aware that we're likely in LYLO, right?

Major FoS: aptil

Viera claimed that she purposely waited for Antihero to claim his investigation result before she would claim her tracking result to confirm if he was telling the truth. Antihero claimed his result right at the opening of the day, so unless Viera was there during the 5min window between the game open and the result claim, which I didn't believe, she never waited. I thought I caught her in a lie.

OK, the rationale makes sense.

I have anyone who was on the Vierra Assassin as my scum read. 2 remain and out of the two Banksys is more likely scum than Albert. If Albert remains alive tomorrow i will prefer to lynch him.

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Come and post people.Show some activity.

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You vote me out we lose. it is that simple. Have you read through the thread? You should do that before do any of this.

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Said the guy who flash wagoned our tracker.

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You should have fucking waited for everyone to arrive at least. No way that vote was possible without the scum team being present all at the same time.

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Arggh.Uctriton, you do not think Banksys is scum?

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Well unvote now. This is going to end badly. You have fucking not even read the thread StrangerCoug. People who thought Banksys was scummy Archaebob killed night1, LLD lynched day1.
Well what is the point in waiting now, everybody has come in and had there say. It seems that you did not even put your mind in this game . Otherwise this would have been easy.

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aptil why do you think banksys is scum?

There is no way the VA lynch was possible by 1 scum alone .Seeing that 2 on that wagon are still alive .I think Banksys has a better chance of hitting scum than Albert.
Please tell me what Stranger has done in this game? He has replaced Hodge and his play so far has been extremely bad. He has neglected to read the thread and search for evidence himself .

I am afraid that Albert might be the scum and we are going to lose this game anytime now, which is extremely sad when players overlook what is in front of them. If Albert is town then the Ace kill looks stupid because 99% chance of us lynching Ace today . All in all we are in a very tricky situation because of lack of reading from a player.

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Said the scum.

With Ace's death, I've lost my top suspect, so I'm forced to reevaluate.

As I see it now, my suspects are as follows (towniest to scummiest): Albert B. Rampage, StrangerCoug, Ulctriton, Aptil.

Given that this is the case, I obviously feel that Aptil and Ulctriton are the last scum. Aptil has clung to the shadows throughout this game. He has never had a major wagon on him, nor has he led one. He has active lurked his way all the way to the present. Even now, when asked for a case, you go for the much easier insistence that StrangerCouf reread, cuz who could argue with that? Of course we should all be rereading, so townie points for you without you having to say anything. I think the pattern is pretty clear.

Secondly, Ulctriton has hammered (or declared intent to hammer) on a few townies. He did not post significant content on these people, he simply was the one to pull the trigger. Normally I'd say that was a bold move for scum, but the WIFOM of it could make that his strategy all by itself. He certainly would not be the first scum willing to get his hands dirty, and his actions have not only failed to generate discussion, they have quite literally stopped it.

Therefore I must vote Aptil or Ulctriton. I am willing to wait to vote either of these people, but in Aptil's case there is little point. If he and I are both townies then we've already lost. If he is scum, then his buddy isn't going to contribute to his quick lynch.

Vote: Aptil

Please show me posts where StrangerCoug has posted content. Or for that matter even his predecessor, if this your reason to vote anyone, it seems pretty superficial.

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Err 1st loss on this site.Is banksys on your team or Stranger?

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Well that was wacky. Pretty obvious who we had to lynch today . I was a lazy but Coug should have read the thread . Congrats Scum team .

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Even if Ace was not killed night 3, i would have pushed for a Banksys lynch today and left ace for the last day .But with Ace dead it had to be Banksys and Albert scum-team.Just to be on safe side , my vote was on Banksys. Well i really thought we could win this even after VA lynch .

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Experience counts for shit in the game. You learn more from a game you lost than a game you won .
From the Scum QT: Rampage asks SD to make sure he tells me he is certain that LLD was scum . Exactly the opposite answer that i wanted to hear it just pushed him more close to Banksys, it was sad that we were not lynching claimed PR's at that point . Day 2 we went with the same logic .

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Please do not discuss the brba finale without spoiler tags .

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Experience counts for shit in the game. You learn more from a game you lost than a game you won .

oh yeah? what's the lesson here?

if you're an investigative role, fucking ignore your results and play like you're vanilla?

The lesson here is you have to say what you think at that point . It is useless to not carry on to do so . I remember when you posted your innocent on Albert ,
someone(i think it was you) had posted day1 that town cop's innocent were pretty much useless . Fuck i am still new and i did not understand the setup , i just thought NicCage was seriously scum at that point.
I had it pretty straight forward whoever was on the VA lynch was scum, they should be lynched . I was hoping Scum would night kill people on that wagon only . Sadly i did not put my point across today as well .

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Why was LLD not re-instated in the game?

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that's it . It was unfair to her . I would have been in favour of option#3 .

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1 more thing i learned policy lynching Wake88 is not a bad idea .

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Looking at scum chat again: you said i was easiest to control .Is that your assessment even now ?

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@Arch-It was again suggested that claimed roles should be left for mafia to kill .So were off the map .

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@Aptil: Kind of? My accusations against you were accurate enough. You never posted enough content to give me a clear idea of where you were going. When you chose to come after me it turned things around a little. StrangerCoug made it easier as well.

I can't believe I survived that game lol

Yep i don't think he ever read the game .
Also i was pretty much on to the scum team after VA lynch . So yea not holding back to what you think is also pretty damn important .

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Well it is sad when you did not analyze the VA kill ace and ucti.

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Yes i was not on either. That suggested to me all scum team has to be a part of the wagon. Anyways i should have made my case on banksys a little better and not assume everyone has come to the same conclusion already.

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@Wake: Can you tell me why you wanted to claim on day 1 at the very start not even when the day was ending or something ? That too in a closed setup .

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Iirc, it was to prevent a rabid mislynch.

My gameplay was negatively affected at that time, sleepwise, because of my work.

you had only 3 votes on you man . Most of us did not even think you were scummy at that point .