Mini 1511: Insurgency Emergency (Game Over)

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@mod: Due to a family emergency, I need a few days V/LA.

noted ~JS

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@mod: V/LA will be until Monday, 12/9.

VOTE: Skelda

I wanted this yesterday and got distracted by Rach.

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Yeah it couldnt be that I thought she was scum and got side tracked. Nah.

Re-reading and going back to my original reads because obviously i was right about something and let scum focus me elsewhere.

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Elyse + havingfitz look good for the team imo btw

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Oh yeah the more the I look at the vote counts the more sense that makes!

VOTE: fitz

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How about the fact that you and Elyse avoided the Skelda wagon until it was obvious it would go through? Or the fact that Elyse has been pushing for my lynch (I know others don't know for certain my alignment, but

I do

). Or the fact that you and Elyse BOTH have been putting people like me and Aphix in your "possibly scum" pile allowing you to avoid committing to a read? Or the fact that both your wagon and the Skelda wagon TOOK FUCKING FOREVER?

And let's not forget Elyse's little mason party. No town would seriously do that. I'm calling bullshit and no longer taking any excuses. I know Elyse is better than that as town and she would never do something so dumb.

So, why vote Fitz over Elyse? Because it's clear I do not have the trust of the town. I get that. Especially after my mistake with Rach, I am fine with the fact that my credibility as having any reads of value is low. But being as the team is becoming more and more clearly to be Fitz and Elyse, I am fine to go this way, and lynch Elyse tomorrow.

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Elyse that is possibly the worst case you have ever tries to pass. You. Are. Caught. And you are dying tomorrow after your buddy fitz.

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I'm not certain hf is scum. Why do i have to be certain in order to vote? I already explained why i voted for him. I already explained i would prefer to lynch elyse. You are so concerned about my vote amd my reasons but you didnt bother to read my iso?

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-.-

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Better to lynch me today than have me in LYLO.

Fitz, insulting my play and my intelligence is really low. You don't even attempt to see my point of view or ask what my thought process was. You just attack me. Like Elyse just attacks me.

I have explained my read on HP.

As far as you not understanding why I'm voting you over Elyse, well.. that isn't really my problem.

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Where am I asking for pity?

I made a de facto statement about lynching me today, rather than letting me get to LYLO as a legitimately BENEFICIAL move for town. You don't understand how that could be?

If I am left for LYLO, then people's suspicions of me will cloud any chance of finding scum, thus losing the game. It's the better option to get rid of me now.

I'm not pushing any weak shit, and I'd ask you to stop calling it that, except I know you are just trying to discredit me, which is fine.

I believe you are scum and I believe Elyse is your partner. It's either me, or one of you today, I don't care which.

p-edit: some shit from elyse defending her buddy and pushing for lynch probably. will read after.

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Now you are just deliberately misrepping my meta.

/ignore

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Also, fitz, you can find your own meta info on me.

I have plenty of scum games. Antihero's game is one. Chaos Omega's double day unlimited is another recent one as well.

I don't bus my partners.

so... there's that.

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Excuse both of you. Neither of you have the right to tell me if I'm trying or not. Especially you, Elyse. You are clearly scum lying about my meta.

Giving reads and going after my preferred lynch is what I'm supposed to do and is what I am doing.

I have no desire to continue arguing with people I believe to be scum.

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Then why aren't you voting for me, Fitz?

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Here's a hint:

I caught Skelda. Early. And when I flip town, guess who's going down next?

You and your partner Elyse. That's who.

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lol...

Elyse thinks lower interest level = scum. HAHAHAHA... oh that's a good one.

It's not as easy to get into a game as a replacement. That doesn't mean I'm not in it or that I'm not paying attention or that I don't care.

I am paying attention and I do care.

ELYSE IS SCUM. I mean, ffs... I've been saying this for a while now.

Fitz is scum by association, but I am mostly trusting my town reads on that one.

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How is it scummy when I know I'm town and you have yet to bring a solid case against me?

I have explained how your attack has been flawed and your arguments of my meta are flimsy and incorrect.

I have pointed out the

clearly verifiable actions YOU have made IN THIS GAME

that prove you are scum.

I have analyzed the VCs and read through ISOs several times looking for associations with Skelda. (Oh and guess what I found?)

And I'm not scum hunting?

Please go fuck yourself.

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How about the fact that you and Elyse avoided the Skelda wagon until it was obvious it would go through? Or the fact that Elyse has been pushing for my lynch (I know others don't know for certain my alignment, but I do). Or the fact that you and Elyse BOTH have been putting people like me and Aphix in your "possibly scum" pile allowing you to avoid committing to a read? Or the fact that both your wagon and the Skelda wagon TOOK FUCKING FOREVER?

You are deliberately ignoring the legitimate points I bring against you.

This is not productive. I'm going away for real now.

Elyse, it's clear to me you are scum. You can continue trying to discredit me all you want by calling my posts "whining" when they aren't, but I don't even give a shit, because you are scum and I've proven it.

And it was completely called for.

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VOTE: elyse

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Sorry. Give me a day or so. Gonna go look through Skelda's ISO again.

I don't think scumFitz would do all of ^^^ that work and still give away that he actually thinks I'm town. I'm a nice easy lynch that I think is attractive to scum. So why is Fitz the wagon? Because scum are already on there.

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Ok, so after reading Skelda's ISO, I found some interesting stuff.

All of her scum reads, with the exception of HF who is still alive, turned out to be town. All of them. So, I'm inclined to believe that she town-read her partner(s) the entire time.

This cuts the pool down to {aphix, Implosion, HP}, except she nulled on aphix and implosion, going a bit back and forth on both, one way or the other, as suspicions did. I have aphix pretty firmly in my town pile.

Implosion's claim:
I believe it, and thus he is town. Thinking about the setup, and the deaths/claims we have had, I don't believe we would have an SK. Our JK died N1, which could explain a lack of a second kill N1 (if there was an SK), but not N2. EPM doesn't make sense as an SK target, so debating that both SK and scum targeted the same person is silly. SK is out the window. Implosion has also not been CC'd, so he is most definitely town.

Even taking Aphix out of my town pile, this leaves only {aphix, HP} as possible partners for Skelda. Except she nulled aphix in 1356, and threw yet another town read at HP.

In fact, HP is the ONLY person she has not wavered on the entire game. Everyone else was scum, or a nullscum read that went back and forth. Every single one of her "scum reads" turned up town. So Fitz is town too. So is Elyse.

VOTE: HP

I know you all think I'm an asshole or whatever, but my reads are good. I chose to put in a little effort when I first replaced in and I found Skelda. I put in a little more and I found HP. Look at my push on Rach and you will see that included zero effort on my part and was nearly all gut. I'm sorry for that, but without that flip, I wouldn't have been able to find this here now.

Vote HP. He is the partner.

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Hi Elyse.

Yep. You got it. HP.

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Also, the existence of a vig leads me to believe we are only looking for 2 scum, and not 3, but if there is a third, based solely on Skelda associations, I'd have to guess aphix, as much as I don't really agree with that idea by gut, it makes sense.

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I'm also going to guess that Implosion is x-shot, probably 1-shot, because he said he was "basically useless" now.

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I missed where he said he was 2-shot.

Just for the sake of balance. Since scum are killing and vig is shooting, and we have only (presumably) a JK to stop any of that from hitting town. If you figure, scum and vig hit town N1, thats 3 down with the lynch, leaving 7-3, if you assume 3 scum. N2 is another 3, going into 7p LYLO on D3. If his review of my game (ended) is any indication, that would bother our dear mod.

With only 2 scum, it's 5-2 on D3, even if you lynch town and town dies, its then 5p LYLO on day 4. That seems more reasonable, and more balanced.

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Also, the existence of a vig leads me to believe we are only looking for 2 scum, and not 3, but if there is a third, based solely on Skelda associations, I'd have to guess aphix, as much as I don't really agree with that idea by gut, it makes sense.

Also this. It just can't be. There must only be 2 scum.

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I meant the last part about Aphix being the third. It's the only reasonable option from associations. And it just doesn't make sense.

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And that's the hammer.

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If this is not game over, I do suggest that Implosion shoot me to get me out of LYLO.

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Actually that's a terrible idea if there's 3 scum. don't do that.

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Because I believe HP is scum. Implosion, do you have reason to believe he isn't?

Also, I think because we lynched scum yesterday, you can still shoot me without giving the win if there is a third scum.

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ESPECIALLY if HP is indeed scum.

Yeah.

You need to shoot me, Implosion. If this isn't game over and I'm alive tomorrow, I'm gonna be mad.

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What will you do when HP flips scum, Impy? Jeez you're gonna blow a gasket.

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Here's what you do.

Pretty sure HP will be flipping scum here.

If it's not game over, and there is indeed a third scum, you NEED to shoot either me or aphix.

If you shoot me, lynch aphix tomorrow, as he is the only one that makes sense based on the thread to be the third scum.

If you shoot aphix, I can almost guarantee that's game over.

If HP is town, then there's at least 1 left, looking at aphix, and we can still lose 2 town tonight with your shot and the scum kill, I think. Then lynch aphix tomorrow for the win. If there's 3 we already lost.

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I'm not scum ffs.

I am telling him to shoot me to get me out of LYLO if it is not already game over right now.

Do you not understand this?

HP is most certainly scum.

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But anyway if HP isn't scum, and there are 3 scum, it is already game over, and that's the only reason I could see aphix quickhammering like that, other than to end discussion on his partner if HP is scum. If HP isn't scum, and aphix quickhammered for a win, I'm gonna bet it's Elyse because I don't remember her ever being this dumb. Sorry.

The only way it's not game over with HP town is if there's only 2 scum.

In which case it's me or aphix, yes?

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If there's 3 scum and he hits town tonight, then yes, it is game over, if HP is town.

Implosion, calm down for christ's sake. Why would scum quickhammer like that knowing it means they will be autolynched the next day?

Think about it.

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Elyse wasnt scum.

Lets see. I go after skelda, elyse, and rach and no one fucking listens so i figure i'm wrong and try something else.

I quit.

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Elyse you owe me an apology.

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Thats the last time i question my reads.

I was dead fucking right from the beginning and got treated like an idiot.

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You wanted to lynch me the whole game -.- why

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I meant in their QT.

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This game was very upsetting. I don't think I like scumElyse.

Congrats though. Aphix, you did very well. I didn't even consider you until the end and it was too late.

I did wanna tell HP: You are very intelligent but your posts are extremely dry and difficult to digest. Walls, in my experience, work better for scum than town. Most people skim or ignore huge walls, and most people are going to be town.

Also, Rach, I'm sorry. <3

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I have never been mislynched.

Congrats Elyse. No hard feelings. <3

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You guys should stop now.

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I was angry because I know that Elyse knows how to read me, how to talk with me, how to work with me, but she seemed to be misreading me on purpose, and she was.

It had nothing to do with anyone else. It has everything to do with my meta experience with her.

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She was the only one I was angry with because, from my perspective, if she was town, she should have known better. (And she would have).

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The fact that she was not putting any effort into working through things with me told me something was wrong.

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Me too. She got me in Chain of Command. *sigh* That was gutsy, that mason claim. I never would have done that.