Mini 1517 - Game Over - The Sun Sets on Duskville

[FakeGod]

Vote: Illume

[FakeGod]

Busy writing an essay atm.

I'll catch up tomorrow evening.

[FakeGod]

Stop prodding me, ugh.

It's not like I would ever fall behind in this game. There's like maybe 6 pages of one liners, and it's been 3 days?

Maybe I like lurking?

Anyways, it's good that we had the L-1 happen so fast, especially with posts like these:

In retrospect, yeah, that was hella scummy.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Illume

Posts like that are what scum posts when they're quickhammering.

Also, to everyone who's "concerned" that there was "such a fast L-1":

Chill. Unless you suspect there's a reason to believe that there will be a quicklynch, the person isn't in actually any danger.

Like, pressuring people and putting them at L-1 is part of scumhunting.

[FakeGod]

He has to be at least in the top 3 scum-reads right now.

How the heck do you already have a top 3 scum-reads 6 pages in?

How many scum reads do you even have?

[FakeGod]

To your other question: I have reads because I've been playing actively.

Ugh. What are you even trying to accomplish with posts like this? Make me angry so I would post more?

[FakeGod]

@Haschel, SB: Eh, voting for ABR wouldn't have accomplished anything. It's worth a try to keep a player at L-1 for couple more days to bait scumhammers with.

Plus, I don't have any reads this early, and I'm surprised that people already has solid scumreads that they want lynched.

I thought votes were mainly used for pressure in d1, no?

[FakeGod]

I don't like this. If Illume produces, I'm jumping back on you [SB].

Illume posts some things.

What part Illume's posting was her producing? It was terrible posting for someone int hat position.

Illume doesn't post anything.

Ok, business time: I'm done with Illume for now.

Unvote, Vote: SB

Esp, first you said you'll switch over to SB when Illume produces.

Then, you said Illume produced nothing.

Then, before Illume posted anything, you switched over to SB.

???

[FakeGod]

I guess what I'm asking is, Illume posted nothing between your 190 and 201, yet you switched your vote from Illume.

Why?

[FakeGod]

ah lol

Micc already pointed out what I said in my last three posts.

That's what I get for catching up while playing LoL.

Sorry for spam.

[FakeGod]

@Hasc: I was ok with him being lynched, and BULLSHIT, there's no way you can have accurate reads this early, unless you're some kind of scumhunting god.

[FakeGod]

@Abott: D1 lynches are always based on weak tells and hunches, not strong reads. Anyone that says otherwise is either a scumhunting god, or pretending to be one. I admit I cannot nail the entire scum team in 6 pages, and I will not pretend otherwise.

@jmo: You listed bunch of names. I have no idea what you're trying to say.

@SB: Null on Illume. Just like I have null on every other player. I'm not going to pretend I have reads that I don't have.

Given the null reads, a random player in a mini normal is probably 10/13 (9/12 since I know my alignment) likely to be town, given a 3 man scum team. Therefore, it's pretty good assumption that Illume would be town.

I didn't realize I had a wagon on me. 2 votes doesn't make a wagon.

Illume was at L-1, but no one hammered. It means we're dealing with a scum team who's more patient and isn't prone to hammer someone out of the blue. Further attempts to bait quickhammers are futile and unnecessary.

As for why I didn't move my vote anywhere, I don't go around shifting votes to make myself look good. If I had a reason to shift my vote, I would do have done it already. I just play slow.

[FakeGod]

Busy tonight.

Back tomorrow.

[FakeGod]

@Blueberry: I've been around since 2010, and I see things like that all the time.

For example, last game I played (it ended a week ago) contained a scum who quickhammered a player d1. He was lynched d2 for his sins.

I also lurked heavily d1 in the same game. I was town.

Elyse was in the same game, so she would know what I'm talking about.

[FakeGod]

No. I rolled my favorite role again.

Are you scum?

[FakeGod]

Dom was going to be policy lynched at the end of d2 regardless of what you said.

Your claim was just icing on the cake.

My reason for keeping someone at L-1 was very correct.

[FakeGod]

I'm pretty sure on this, Elyse.

[FakeGod]

Esp, are you talking about Elyse's attempts at forming a townbloc?

[FakeGod]

@Mic: The first assumption I made was that Illume was town via probability.

If that assumption is wrong, then the whole bait wouldn't work (I agree that if Illume was scum, then his teammates wouldn't quickhammer him).

I decided it would be better to explain what I'm doing, rather than wait longer for a quickhammer. (my reasons are already given)

[FakeGod]

I see something strange in the last few pages, and I want to post about it, but specific someone needs to post first.

[FakeGod]

but specific someone needs to post first.

You're not it.

[FakeGod]

Like what was even the point of that?

You know Esp is V/LA right now.

[FakeGod]

One of the big tells I look for in mafia is when one person is attacking another, then suddenly both joins a third wagon without much explanation.

Lord M has been attacking Abbott for many posts now. (page 17 is where his last big wall against Abbott was)

Then we see a sudden vote shift to Espeonage wagon in posts 459, 460 where Lord M and Abbott follow Micc to put him at L-1.

Now, when I scumread someone, I'm very wary of anyone my scumread is trying to lynch.

I was very surprised to see that Lord M and Abbott to be both voting Espeonage with hardly a voice of dissent.

I waited to see if any explanation or comments from either of them were forthcoming, to no avail.

Both of them silently accepted each other on the Esp wagon without much disagreement.

This looks like Lord M and Abbott agreed to attack each other during pregame to put up a show for the town, and tried to push through a mislynch when they saw that the time was ripe.

Consider my vote both on Abbott and Lord M.

Vote: Abbott

[FakeGod]

I found it alarming.

[FakeGod]

Feel free to bus.

[FakeGod]

@Micc: I see it in most games to some degree. It works more often than not.

@SB:

Consider my vote both on Abbott and Lord M.

I meant it when I said it.

[FakeGod]

@Elyse: um you really can't see it? Here's an obvious one:

@Micc
Espeonage is voting for me for terrible reasons, one of which he explicitly told me not to suspect Albert for. I can't ignore that. Albert is still a good wagon but Espeo is a much better one.

@Thor

Please tell me you aren't serious. You agree with me concerning the validity of Espeo's case but still vote for me? What kind of backwards logic is that?

And if you repeat that bullshit of my wagon being fresh I will make it my mission to get you lynched this game because I know you're better than that.

Blatantly ordering Thor to unvote Elyse and vote Esp.

[FakeGod]

So Lord M, who's been pushing your lynch, just switched over the Esp, who you put at L-1.

Any word? Reaction? Comments? Anything?

[FakeGod]

@Mod: Is Vote Count 1.23 accurate? I don't think ABR was voting me.

[FakeGod]

I will be V/LA until 11/30 for Thanksgiving.

[FakeGod]

Ugh. I have zero support.

Fine. I'll compromise.

Vote: Amished

[FakeGod]

I also believe BB-Amished would have flipped town.

Vote: NicCage

[FakeGod]

I said it was a compromise lynch, no?

I was betting on the chance that I was wrong.

[FakeGod]

Unvote

Damn this is hard

[FakeGod]

I doubt ABR is a PR.

pedit: stop trolling esp

[FakeGod]

I believe Albert and I don't want to die.

Nic unvotes the rival wagon (a.k.a. his only realistic hope of surviving d1) and dumps his vote on someone nowhere close to a lynch with very little left on deadline.

This is as transparent as it gets barring daycops.

Nic is town.

[FakeGod]

Elyse, I understand that you have a biased view since he voted you.

Nevertheless, I believe Nic's being at least sincere, if not helpful.

Esp, you're better than this. Count the number of ABR votes up until nic unvotes.

[FakeGod]

That doesn't mean jack, he's just trying to get something to stick.

Wait, but I thought you wanted an Elyse lynch more than Nic lynch?

Shouldn't you be ok with this turn of events?

[FakeGod]

He lied when he said he believed ABR's claim.

I fail to follow.

[FakeGod]

What really alarmed me was:

NicCage (5) - Lord Mhork, jmo16mla,

Espeonage, Thor665, Elyse

The fact that you three are all on same wagon.

This is a subtle compromise lynch, and the turns it took recently strongly suggests to me that Nic is town.

I don't think Nic is a scum getting bussed because there is no serious counter wagon.

[FakeGod]

Vote: Thor

Scumslip.

[FakeGod]

Esp, you're not making any sense right now.

Say Nic say he's going to protect either ABR or Elyse.

Nic dies during the night.

What information did we just gain?

We gained nothing.

[FakeGod]

Elyse (4) - Albert B. Rampage, Thor665, Amished, Espeonage
Espeonage (7) - Micc, Lord Mhork, jmo16mla, Haschel Cedricson, Elyse, AbboTT, NicCage
Thor665 (1) - FakeGod

Not Voting (1) - Sir Bastion

I just got back.

Looks like the lynch happened.

[FakeGod]

prod dodge

[FakeGod]

NicCage dying doesn't give us an ounce of information. We should just assume scum shot him, and let it be end of that.

Lynching Thor yesterday for his slip would have been an acceptable lynch, but it didn't matter since the lynch has occurred by the time I came back near the deadline.

I think this Elyse vs Lord M is pointless.

Let me think about the deadline wagon analysis.

[FakeGod]

Watch this.

Final d1 VoteCount:

Vote Count 1.44 - Final

Espeonage (7) - Micc, Lord Mhork, jmo16mla, Haschel Cedricson, Elyse, AbboTT, NicCage

Elyse (4) - Albert B. Rampage, Thor665, Amished, Espeonage
Thor665 (1) - FakeGod

Not Voting (1) - Sir Bastion

With 13 alive it is 7 to lynch. Deadline is on December 3rd at 8 p.m. PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2013-12-03 20:00:00)

Midday VoteCount

Vote Count 1.19

Espeonage (6) - jmo16mla, Elyse, Haschel Cedricson, Micc, Lord Mhork, AbboTT

FakeGod (3) - Sir Bastion, Illume, Albert B. Rampage
Blueberry (1) - Thor665
Elyse (1) - Espeonage
Illume (1) - FakeGod
Thor665 (1) - Blueberry

Not Voting (0)

With 13 alive it is 7 to lynch. Deadline is on December 1st at 8 p.m. PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2013-12-01 20:00:00)

Espeonage is V/LA until the 25th.
jmo16mla is V/LA until the 27th.

Prodded Illume.

Do you guys see it? Let me zoom in for you.

From final VC:

Espeonage (7) -

Micc, Lord Mhork, jmo16mla, Haschel Cedricson, Elyse, AbboTT

, NicCage

From midday VC:

Espeonage (6) -

jmo16mla, Elyse, Haschel Cedricson, Micc, Lord Mhork, AbboTT

Hey! It's the same group of six players!

This means that despite tons of "discussion" and "arguments" made, players above did not change their viewpoints, and it's not too adventurous to guess that their viewpoints relied on something static.

You know what's static in this game?

Win conditions

.

From this, I guess that the espeonage wagon was scum-fueled. (by that I mean if we assume there are 3 scum in this setup, then maybe

2 or 3 scum were on this wagon

)

Let's lynch from this pool today.

[FakeGod]

Interestingly enough:


From earlier VC:

Vote Count 1.06

Illume (6) - FakeGod, Blueberry, Thor665, Espeonage, Micc, Albert B. Rampage

Espeonage (4) - Elyse, Sir Bastion, AbboTT, jmo16mla
AbboTT (3) - Lord Mhork, Haschel Cedricson, Illume

Not Voting (0)

With 13 alive it is 7 to lynch. Deadline is on December 1st at 8 p.m. PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2013-12-01 20:00:00)

Illume-NicCage wagon.

The intersection of this wagon and the 6 players from above are: Micc

Micc was on two different wagons, both town and both went to L-1.

Something to think about.

[FakeGod]

Elyse L-1'd two people too. Why is Micc more suspicious than her?

Also vote count analysis is silly

I didn't say Micc was more suspicious than Elyse. I said it was interesting.

Show me where Elyse L-1'd people so I can add it to the analysis.

Not to mention the fact that Fakegod ignores the Thor L-1 wagon in this analysis.

And the later NicCage L-1 wagon now that I think about it.

Where? I just went through mod's ISO and I couldn't find them.

Show me where so I can add it to the analysis.

[FakeGod]

Nic Cage was;

Lord Mhork, jmo16mla, Espeonage, Thor665, Elyse, SirBastion

Thor wagon was;

Micc, Nicc, FakeGod, Mhork, Espeo, Elyse

That actually ties Micc and Elyse for appearing on the most L-1 wagons.
Even if he would like to rule out the non confirmed town wagon of me, that still leaves it a tie.
It also still works with my theory of lynching jmo or Elyse today as well - but I'm glad FG noted that wagons on town existed.

Aha. Thanks to Thor being helpful and listing the wagons.

So we have:

From final VC:

Espeonage (7) -

Micc, Lord Mhork, jmo16mla, Haschel Cedricson, Elyse, AbboTT

, NicCage

From midday VC:

Espeonage (6) -

jmo16mla, Elyse, Haschel Cedricson, Micc, Lord Mhork, AbboTT

Illume-Nic Wagon (early)

Illume (6) - FakeGod,

Blueberry

Amished, Thor665, Espeonage,

Micc

, Albert B. Rampage

Nic Cage wagon (later)

NicCage (6) -

Lord Mhork

,

jmo16mla

, Espeonage, Thor665,

Elyse

, SirBastion

Thor wagon (slip wagon)

NicCage (6) -

Micc

, NicCage, FakeGod,

Mhork

, Espeo,

Elyse

Bolded are the 6 players I have named.

Lord M, Micc, and Elyse comes up the most, if I counted correctly and Thor's list is correct.

[FakeGod]

It's ok. Thor was helpful enough to list them.

I'm up for lynching from the pool of

[Lord M, Elyse, Micc]

today.

[FakeGod]

Oh, sweet.

Did I just catch you?

[FakeGod]

We'll have to agree to disagree.

[FakeGod]

Seems pretty logical to me.

Scum wants town lynched, so they vote them.

We know Esp and NicCage flipped town.

Therefore, there's higher than normal chance that scum would be on those wagons.

What's wrong with this argument?

[FakeGod]

I know the statistics.

We have 11 people remaining, with presumably 3 scum left.

Each player is 3/11 likely to be scum.

In a random group of six players, there are (3/11)*6 = 1.6 scum in that group. (realistically 1 or 2)

My argument is that in that particular group of six players, there are more than 1.6 scum (I say 2 or 3), because of the circumstances I have mentioned.

What do you not follow?

[FakeGod]

I see why your title is

Illogical Rampage

.

[FakeGod]

Looks like a pretty incriminating scum slip to me.
VOTE: Thor

I was getting ready to go back to pushing Espeonage for being painfully attached to Thor among other things. This might work out even better.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Espeonage

Abbot is right. Espeonage is a better lynch than Thor. I have a hunch that they are scum together, but if thats wrong I think Thor is more likely to be town than Espeonage.

Micc, what changed between these two posts?

[FakeGod]

Micc pushed ABR (easy lynch), Esp (popular wagon), and Blueberry-Amished (lurker), with a quick jump on and off Thor wagon for his "slip".

I think this is the correct lynch for today, if my analysis is correct.

Vote: Micc

[FakeGod]

Thor, when I made my case to narrow down the lynch to the three players I have mentioned, I was very serious.

Elyse is one of the three players I am seriously considering for the today's lynch, and

if Micc/Lord M doesn't get support, you'll have my vote on Elyse.

Having said that, I'm very hesitant to vote Elyse before voting either Micc or Lord M due to these two reasons:

1. This post:

Lord Mhork is scum. I am 1000% sure. I refuse to lynch anyone else today. If I am wrong I will self-vote tomorrow. I'm this serious.

I agree that there's a good chance Lord M might be scum, but not for the reasons she's calling him out on.

However, the fact that she said she will "self-vote" tomorrow if Lord M flips town is a suicidal move as a Elyse_scum.

I think there's a very little chance both Lord M and Elyse are scum, and if Lord M flips town, Elyse will be lynched tomorrow for sure.

I can't really see why a scum would try to dig their own grave like that. On the other hand, I can see threats to self-vote coming from a very stubborn town player.

2. She has no allies in this game.

Like, I can't think of one person who's on her side right now.

She clearly has been attempting to build a town-bloc since page 1, and despite her efforts, she ended up isolated. (this is actually a partial SK-tell, but I'm going to assume no SKs due to number of nightkills last night)

If her scumteam were bussing her, they would've bussed her yesterday for major town cred.

Unless her scumteam is bussing her hardcore, I don't see how we can have both Elyse as scum, and Elyse with zero allies.

[FakeGod]

Micc, what changed between these two posts?

Thor's wagon built up to L-1 in a scary fast way. Thor gave an explanation on why his slip happened. I went to bed. I woke up and decided that I believed Thor after researching the daytalk rules of a few ongoing games. I realized that my suspicions against Thor were pretty weak without an Espeonage flip. I went back to pushing an Espeonage lynch.

It's a wagon based on a slip. Of course, it's going to be a fast wagon. You either believe thor made a scumslip, or you don't.

It sounded like you definitely believed he made a scumslip in your first post, then you changed your mind when you realized that there wasn't enough support.

[FakeGod]

@FG

1. Her self vote promise makes no valid sense really regardless of alignment, they never do. I've seen both alignments use them to try to sell people on things though.

2. Her obvious ally is ABR, her secondary allies are amongst those who, like yourself, are calling her scum but manufacturing reasons not to vote her and/or just aren't talking about her at all. That's actually the bulk of the playslots.

Regardless of alignments, self-vote promise puts her in a huge hole if Lord M flips town, and almost certainly tomorrow's lynch. (a.k.a. if she's scum, she just committed suicide)

ABR wanted Elyse lynch yesterday. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

[FakeGod]

Unvote, vote Elyse

Come on, Thor, Elyse is overdue for a lynch.

Alrighty Illume, place your vote on Elyse.

NOPE. Nope, nope, nope, Espeonage is right.

Unvote, vote Elyse

Espeonage is right about Elyse.

FakeGod I agreed about you in 516. You asked me two different questions and I don't feel like quoting them.

We should really lynch Elyse.

I have a plan to expose the scum.

Here goes.

Everyone who is NOT scum, put your votes on Elyse.

What the hell? Amished is gonna flip town. Vote for Elyse.

Now, for the love of this game, pile all your votes on Elyse for a scum lynch. We're on the precipice of a great start here, if you listen to what I say.

Okay ABR, let's try this: You're alone on Elyse; why does she (?) make a good lynch? Pick anything she's said that has scum reasoning behind it. What do you think of the NicCage lynch? You're clearly not the lynch for today, so some analysis would be nice.

Because she is SCUM.

Sir Bastion, Elyse has fooled you once. You are really going to let her get away with it AGAIN? and AGAIN by lynching me? Are you serious!?

I suggest you unvote me, reconsider your entire game, and sheep me on Elyse. Sir Bastion. Really. I'm not joking.

DO IT. LYNCH HER. NOW.

Confirm vote: Elyse

Sir Bastion you have seen this exact scenario unfold before, the fact that you are taking Elyse's side can only mean that you are scum with her.

I'm not going to die this time, Elyse.

Stop it.

We aren't voting Thor. We aren't voting Espeonage. We most definitely are NOT voting for NicCage who claimed weak doctor and can be used as an unreliable vig.

We lynch Elyse. She is opportunistic scum and she needs to garner enough votes to be removed as a threat. I don't know who her partners are but EVERY time Elyse gets a few votes, they get removed very quickly and another wagon springs up out of nowhere. This has to stop.

I guarantee you Elyse is the right lynch.

14 hours to go. PLACE YOUR VOTE ON ELYSE NOW. THOR. SIR BASTION. NICCAGE. ESPEONAGE.

With me, that's 5. We have enough to pressure the rest of the players to rush Elyse.

There is no room for compromise, we are getting this DONE. DO NOT LET YOURSELF BE BAMBOOZLED BY ELYSE AND HER PARTNERS.

NicCage, announce the group from which you will target. It should NOT include me. I'm obvtown already and too bad if Haschel Cedricson doesn't see that.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Espeonage

Abbot is right. Espeonage is a better lynch than Thor. I have a hunch that they are scum together, but if thats wrong I think Thor is more likely to be town than Espeonage.

Abbott IS NOT RIGHT. UGHHRRR I have NEVER been more frustrated in a game as in this one. NEVER! I HAVE NEVER POSTED IN CAPS IN ALL OF MY GAMES EXCEPT FOR NOW.

I'M TIRED OF BEING LYNCHED AND NOT LISTENED TO. I'm seriously going to ask for a replacement if you DO NOT LYNCH ELYSE TODAY.

I want all the next votes in this page to vote for Elyse, I know you don't like being told what to do, I know you dislike me, I know you have your ego and your belief system and I don't care, we're all wearing the same jersey here and we're on the same team whether we like it or not. WE WIN TOGETHER. VOTE FOR ELYSE SO I CAN HAVE A GOOD START TO A GAME FOR ONCE.

That game that I got NK'd in? I TOLD THEM NOT TO MISLYNCH MATIAS DAY 1 BUT THEY DID IT ANYWAY. It's happening again. History repeats itself. It's incredibly annoying and frustrating as it feels that I'm not progressing. I'm stuck in a rut, where I'm repeating the same type of Day over and over and over again. Groundhog day.

Let's look at what I want, look at what you guys want, and compromise. Elyse...is who I want. I can compromise on Abbott, not being I think he's inherently scummy but he will most definitely drag this town into oblivion by continuing with the reads he has.

Please, everyone look at Abbott's iso. He is so careful about any mention of Elyse. He says that she's worth looking into and then ignores that comment completely thereafter. I do think that we should give a long hard look at Abbott after Elyse flips scum.

Can't read her? Neither can anybody else that let her survive to win as scum. Vote for her and put an end to her reign.

I can keep going if you want. I'm not even halfway through his ISO.

Still think ABR is the

"obvious ally"

of Elyse?

[FakeGod]

It's a wagon based on a slip. Of course, it's going to be a fast wagon. You either believe thor made a scumslip, or you don't.

It sounded like you definitely believed he made a scumslip in your first post, then you changed your mind when you realized that there wasn't enough support.

Or, I could have changed my mind because I looked into Thor's explanation and believed him. Is this the extent of the case you are trying to push? That I jumped off a wagon because it didn't have enough support? The wagon was at L-1 with ~15 hours until deadline. That is not a lack of support, it is not even close to a lack of support. If there is more to your vote, please share, because it looks pretty weak to me.

Definitely lack of support. Name one other person who was willing to lynch Thor at that point.

[FakeGod]

I'll tell you why I'm town. I've made no effort to secure any alliances or goodwill in this game.

I've attacked almost everyone and

buddied up to no one.

Thor thinks jmo is scum one moment, then goes to Elyse and tosses my name in the pool. I don't like this at all.

I think lynching Thor is the first step to mitigating our risks as a town.

Unvote, Vote FakeGod

Changed my mind.

Thor, switch to this guy with me.

ABR: I'm town because I have not aligned with or buddied anyone so far this game.
ABR: Thor, help me wagon Fakegod.

And you wonder why you get lynched Day 1?

Can't you recognize a reaction test when you see one?

I'm pretty skeptical of all of you folks following Thor around like a puppy, when Thor goes around arguing things like how ABR was

best buddies forever

with Elyse.

Like, are you guys even reading in this game?

[FakeGod]

FakeGod your case on me isn't even a case. Also your elyse case is bad.

ABR, you survived day one. Now you're bitching about getting lynched day two. No. I will happily tie the noose because there is no way you're gonna coast based on 'guys don't lynch me it's stupid.' Also not having allies is literally the shittiest argument I have ever heard in all my time on MS. That is no where close to alignment indicative.

What is up with this

overreaction

? Was that really called for?

I merely explained what my train of thought was (and happened to list you as one of my potential lynches today), and you immediately tell me it's piece of shit, when you're following around

Thor, who's a blatant liar

.

Really, I don't see what you're trying to accomplish here, other than just slinging mud in my face.

[FakeGod]

@Micc:

HC pointed out the slip without voting him. None of the others said anything. You could argue they "could have", but I don't see any evidence that says they would have.

What I do see is as soon as Abott disagreed with Thor wagon, you jumped off immediately and went back to voting Esp. Also, say what you want. I won't defend ABR's actions for him. It's not like I agree with his methods anyways.

@Lord M:

Your last few posts toward me contained nothing but "your reads suck" or "your case is shit" without any explanation whatsoever. How is that anything but slinging mud?

@Thor:

I don't know what you are smoking, but you're absolutely crazy to argue that ABR, who's been screaming at the town to lynch Elyse ENTIRE D1, is any sort of ally of Elyse. You have shown me zero evidence to the contrary, while I buried you under his direct quotes.

[FakeGod]

@Lord M

: I want you to tell me where in my argument you think is wrong. Point out every point you disagree with and explain why.

You think my argument is shitty? Why don't you try taking it apart then?

@Thor

: We've been repeating. I think you're utterly wrong and vice-versa. I see that any further discussion on this matter is redundant. We'll have to agree to disagree.

[FakeGod]

@Thor:

I have read that section of the game many, many times.

It has ABR admitting he's not scumhunting god and he might be wrong in that Elyse might be town after all.

You're arguing that because ABR has admitted he could be wrong about elyse being scum, it makes ABR a huge ally of Elyse, and makes up for ABR's entire day's worth amount of trying to get Elyse lynched.

Madness.

[FakeGod]

@Micc:

Micc pushed ABR (easy lynch), Esp (popular wagon), and Blueberry-Amished (lurker), with a quick jump on and off Thor wagon for his "slip".

I think this is the correct lynch for today, if my analysis is correct.

Vote: Micc

Thor wagon was only a part of the reason why I'm voting you.

[FakeGod]

Your case on me consists of me being on wagons

Your Elyse town case is that she has no friends.

These are both bad cases

You're incorrect. I doubt you're actually reading my posts now.

First, I narrowed down the lynch pool to six players on Esp wagon from yesterday.

Then, I narrowed down the lynch pool to three of the six based on occurrences in other wagons.

If you're reading my posts, you'd realize that I don't have a townread on Elyse. She's in my top three scum lynch pool. I've said this more than once.

Remember this post?

Thor, when I made my case to narrow down the lynch to the three players I have mentioned, I was very serious.

Elyse is one of the three players I am seriously considering for the today's lynch, and

if Micc/Lord M doesn't get support, you'll have my vote on Elyse.

Having said that, I'm very hesitant to vote Elyse before voting either Micc or Lord M due to these two reasons:

[FakeGod]

Lord M, it would be most helpful if you explained why scum were not on Esp wagon.

[FakeGod]

Ah, sorry.

How many scum do you believe were on Esp wagon?

I say def 2, maybe even 3.

[FakeGod]

I don't think there were necessarily a lot of scum on Espeonage, if Elyse is town too. They wouldn't care to mislynch Espeonage in full force.

The strange thing is, the six players I mentioned basically never changed their view on Esp throughout the entire day.

They got together, put Esp at L-1, then the wagon "collapsed".

Later, they came back near the deadline and put him back at L-1, when NicCage hammered.

If most of them were town-aligned, I'd expect someone to change their opinions after pages and pages of discussion, since none of them would know for sure whether Esp was actually town or scum.

The fact that identical set of six players came back for the Esp lynch at the end trips all the alarms.

[FakeGod]

Let's wait for jmo, HC, and Abott to make a stand.

For what it's worth, I think Amished looked town while he was in that slot.

[FakeGod]

I'm exceedingly courteous and polite.

lol

[FakeGod]

I don't even know why I am spending so much of my attention refuting your case. If people can't see how bad it is by themselves, then we have no chance at winning this game.

It seems that there is no need for you to refute my case.

No one else seems even remotely interested in your lynch.

Unvote, Vote: Lord M

[FakeGod]

We got few days left. I want jmo and HC to make a stance soon.

I rather lynch Micc over Lord M, and I rather lynch Lord M over Elyse.

Mindgamer is my biggest townread thanks to Amished. Everyone else is null.

Thor lynch would be very informative, but I'm not convinced he's scum.

[FakeGod]

FakeGod, I really dislike your unvote of Thor, as soon as he came under pressure, and your subsequent vote on Lord Mhork.

My vote was on Micc, not Thor.

[FakeGod]

@Thor: Jmo lynch is just a standard lurker lynch. His lynch wouldn't be very informative.

[FakeGod]

You called Thor a liar and then voted Lord M. This is as bad.

Being a liar and being a scum is very different, unfortunately.

You keep voting people who have no bandwagons, why? Avoiding main wagons is scummy.

I wish people would join me on Micc, or at least Lord M. This has been my position before the wagons were formed, and it has not changed.

I'm not avoiding wagons; wagons are avoiding the players I want lynched.

[FakeGod]

jmo lynch is like rolling a dice and trying to get lucky.

I mean you might get lucky.

@Thor:

jmo lynch isn't very informative. What would his flip bring to the table?

[FakeGod]

@Thor

: Like for example, I think your lynch is very informative.

Since, for one, there was the "slip wagon".

If you flip town, it incriminates the people on the slip wagon, and if you flip scum, it has the opposite effect.

[FakeGod]

@Thor: Players had less than a day to react to your "slip", and the wagon built very quickly.

Smaller the reaction time allowed, more honest players will react.

[FakeGod]

V/LA until tomorrow

[FakeGod]

I'm so sad.

No one wants to lynch Lord M, either.

Unvote, Vote: Elyse

If this falls through, I'm willing to compromise and lynch any of my null reads, which is everyone except mindgamer.

No lynch is absolutely unacceptable.

[FakeGod]

It's unfortunate that no one wants to lynch Micc and Lord M.

I don't know whether Thor is scum or town.

[FakeGod]

I'd like a warning on Elyse for calling people retarded. That actually bothered me quite a bit.

kettle calling pot black, etc etc

[FakeGod]

1) If my lack of posting in thread is null, why do you feel the ned to bring attention to it like that? It wasn't even as if I were actively lurking. I simply wasn't there. Also

when I fucking as[k] 'why' you did something I want fucking rationale not some snarky bullshit response of 'because I did/wanted to/was asked to provide a read. Fucking hell I shouldn't have to say that.

[snip]

2) See above.

Also fuck you.

What did you mean by favor? What did you mean by that sentence? What was your intended purpose when you sat down and typed it.

...

YOU'RE DOING A SHIT JOB

THIS GAME AND ARE TOO

FUCKING INCOMPETENT

...

You are a

giant asshole

. You aren't allowed to be this arrogant.

You aren't good enough

to justify that.

Your "exceedingly courteous" looks an awful lot like my "most offensive player I've met on this site thus far."

I take offense to everything Abott quoted of you way more. It doesn't even come close.

He quoted very little btw. Abott was being incredibly nice.

[FakeGod]

I'm on the same wagon as Micc.

It makes me feel icky. blargh.jpg

But alas, deadline approaches swiftly

[FakeGod]

ABR is clearly nuts, but I'm beginning to trust there is a method to his madness.

I agree with the first part; I disagree with the second part.

If anything, method IS his madness.

[FakeGod]

Abbott's trying really hard to be cordial with everyone, and that could be scummy.

Like, in the above post, he's trying to not offend ABR. Why?

[FakeGod]

I refuse to lynch Thor while he's on vacation. That's just weak.

I was looking forward to an Elyse claim but alrighty.

Unvote, vote HC

[/quote

You won't lynch a vla but you'll lynch a currently empty slot?

Is that a quote fail or real sneaky way to vote someone?

[FakeGod]

@Thor

: I think jmo's replacing out was a town tell.

I don't see why he would leave an apology to the town for being horrible if he was scum.

[FakeGod]

@Thor: Did I mistype?

[FakeGod]

Guyett, I would appreciate your read on ABR.

[FakeGod]

Mhork looks very much like scum.

I like you. Can you tell me about Micc?

Thor probably won't like you.

[FakeGod]

Elyse, claim.

[FakeGod]

ABR, please leave it for postgame.

Stay professional.

[FakeGod]

I think the site is up now?

[FakeGod]

Elyse, since when did you have a townread on ABR?

[FakeGod]

Why do people replace out of games?

[FakeGod]

While we're waiting on jmo's replacemnt, we might as well compile a list.

Can everyone check in with list of people they're willing to lynch, null list, and people they're not willing to lynch in their next post?

I want to lynch out of pool of: Micc, Lord M, Elyse.

Everyone else is null except Mindgamer, who I do not want to lynch today.

[FakeGod]

Can everyone check in with list of people they're willing to lynch, null list, and people they're not willing to lynch in their next post?

Thor jump on ABR then

Come on

[FakeGod]

Lord M, where is your list?

[FakeGod]

@nacho: is it true that ald paid you $1,000,000,000,000 to replace in?

please confirm

[FakeGod]

@FakeGod
Why are you voting me?

ISO me.

[FakeGod]

I want AbboTT and Mindgamer to tell me their lynch pool and people they don't want lynched.

[FakeGod]

I'm trying to figure out who's scum. Is that a god damned good reason?

[FakeGod]

I want AbboTT and

Mindgamer

to tell me their lynch pool and people they don't want lynched.

I missed his post. Mindgamer already gave his preferences.

[FakeGod]

Good case. I'm willing to give it a try.

Unvote, Vote: Sir Bastion

[FakeGod]

Sorry, I'm not giving a deadline extension. It's now (well in about 1.25 days) or never.

Prodded AbboTT, though. I will replace him over Night if necessary.

Vote Count 2.22

Sir Bastion (3) - Albert B. Rampage, Nachomamma8, FakeGod
Elyse (2) - Thor665, Micc
Albert B. Rampage (2) - Lord Mhork, Sir Bastion
Thor665 (2) - Elyse, Mindgamer
Guyett (1) - AbboTT
Mindgamer (1) - Guyett

Not Voting (0)

With 11 alive it is 6 to lynch. Deadline is set for 3 days from now, on December 26th, 12:00 p.m., PST.

Countdown:
(expired on 2013-12-26 12:00:00)

Vote a major wagon now. AbboTT and Guyett need to switch votes.

[FakeGod]

Shit. AboTT's probably not coming back before the deadline.

Guyett need to switch off Mindgamer.

I'm going to ask Thor wagon to dissolve. Now.

[FakeGod]

Scum are probably just going to afk through deadline.

We're not going to let the terrorists win.

[FakeGod]

Don't let the terrorists win.

[FakeGod]

Oh, I also think I made the comment that I'd probably hammer *anyone* at this stage. That probably still holds true also.
Put someone to L-1 and we'll find out.

[FakeGod]

Yeah, let this game go to hell.

Unvote

Will be back to hammer SB myself in 2 hours.

How is this helpful?

[FakeGod]

Keep SB at L-1 and waiting for Mindgamer seems like the best bet right now.

[FakeGod]

Don't worry, I'll be back to hammer SB. I promise.

What's stopping you from disappearing, missing the deadline, and come back 3 days later with "guys my internet went down"?

[FakeGod]

So keep your vote on SB and go to work.

[FakeGod]

Confirming that Im here, and phone posting, and still dont want to lynch Bastion.

Would you lynch SB to avoid a no lynch?

[FakeGod]

Good man.

[FakeGod]

Hammer please.

[FakeGod]

Hammer please.

[FakeGod]

I thought you were going to work?

[FakeGod]

Wow.

Guyett, hammer SB please. I can't imagine why there would be a flash rival wagon unless as a desperate attempt by the scum to redirect the lynch away from SB.

pedit: SB had numerous opportunities to claim. He made it very clear that he will not claim even under threats of death.

[FakeGod]

You have a point, but it's also possible that ABR is just being ABR.

I'm going to stick with Nacho and stay on SB on this one.

[FakeGod]

Whats the plan of SB flips town?

Cross this bridge if we get there.

Is that your case? Nacho says so?

I'm allowed to agree with other people's cases.

Vt.

Guyett, there's the claim you were waiting for.

[FakeGod]

Hey ABR, who do you think is going to hammer you?

I'm the only person here who can hammer ABR.

Rest of you guys already are voting for him.

[FakeGod]

I disagree.

I think SB is scum.

[FakeGod]

Congrats...

Disappointed that this is my first proper mislynch

You're not lynched yet...

But you already knew that when you posted.

Guyett, hammer him.

[FakeGod]

haha that's true. Our mod and his strange rules.

Can you self-hammer?

[FakeGod]

FG will you vote ABR?

.

To prevent a no lynch.

[FakeGod]

Fine.

You win, Guyett.

Unvote

,

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

[FakeGod]

Albert B. Rampage (6) - Lord Mhork, Sir Bastion, Guyett, Thor665, Micc, FakeGod

I will not listen to the people who flashwagoned ABR to save Sir Baston.

Know that your town cred have been damaged irrevocably.

Vote: Sir Bastion

You're up next, Thor.

[FakeGod]

Micc is also scum.

[FakeGod]

Or very very mislead town.

[FakeGod]

I will not listen to the people who flashwagoned ABR to save Sir Baston.

You flashwagoned Bastion to save ABR/Elyse, so...

Last I checked, ABR flipped town.

[FakeGod]

SB goes first, Elyse.

I think Thor is a goon trying to draw away a lynch from his godfather/PR.

This would explain why he flashwagoned and risked his cred to protect SB.

[FakeGod]

Unvote, Vote: Thor

[FakeGod]

@Micc

: I believe there's a good chance you're scum.

But I'm going to pretend you're town, and ask you a question.

Now, if I was playing a game as town and saw that two people I helped lynched were scum, I would reverse my reads, because it's pretty clear that if I continue to play without change, I would be helping the scum win.

Tell me, what would you do in that hypothetical scenario?

@Guyett

: I took a chance on you, and we lynched town.

You owe me a vote.

[FakeGod]

I don't care if you agree with Thor case or not, Guyett.

I disagreed with the ABR case. I thought SB was a much better lynch. You thought otherwise, and I gave you a chance.

ABR flipped town.

You owe me a vote.

[FakeGod]

I think it's very likely that Thor will flip scum.

[FakeGod]

We'll see what the mod says, Thor.

[FakeGod]

haha, you do realize that this is a normal, and that only sane cops are allowed?

[FakeGod]

Yeah... this is BS.

[FakeGod]

Pretty funny though.

9/10, would read again.

[FakeGod]

Let's wrap it up.

Vote: Sir Bastion

[FakeGod]

Thor flashwagoned to protect SB.

In addition, SB's lynching preferences are nearly identical to Thor's. (ABR, Elyse)

Micc did that too actually. His lynching preferences WERE identical to Thor's. (ABR, Elyse, Nacho)

[FakeGod]

Lord M's preferences were similar to Thor's. (Wants to lynch ABR, Elyse, but unlike Thor, Lord M didn't want to lynch Nacho)

Anyhow, I'm pretty sure the last two scum are in {Sir Bastion, Micc, Lord M}.

[FakeGod]

Can we at least take me off l-1 until I give some thoughts and reads cause you'll flip me and then some of you will get paranoid etc etc and you'd have wasted a day.

You already gave your lynch preferences.

You already claimed.

I don't really see why I or anyone else should unvote, dude.

[FakeGod]

Actually, there's no harm in jotting down your reads.

I'll just throw them in trash if you flip scum.

Unvote

Your reads in your next post, SB.

[FakeGod]

Vote: Sir Bastion

[FakeGod]

Mindgamer, please hammer SB when you come back.

[FakeGod]

This is annoying.

[FakeGod]

I'm up for massclaiming.

We should no lynch afterwards.

[FakeGod]

Wait for Nacho to check in.

and I want either Nacho or Lord M to go first.

[FakeGod]

I am VT.

[FakeGod]

I have two questions.

Nacho, are you aware of whether your vest is intact or not?

And did you crumb your role at all?

[FakeGod]

I have two questions.

Nacho, are you aware of whether your vest is intact or not?

And did you crumb your role at all?

Nacho where you at

Prod this man

[FakeGod]

Rereading.

fwiw, I don't think Lord M and Guyett are scum.

[FakeGod]

Thor pushed on jmo/nacho slot entire game. Does it look like distancing?

Coupled with Nacho saying something about Thor is likely to hardcore townread his buddies makes it look like it was planned.

[FakeGod]

ugh

maybe Lord M/Guyett are scum?

This is hard.

[FakeGod]

My working hypothesis is that thor distanced from jmo slot, and nacho's pulling a no-shot bp claim gambit.

Be back later.

[FakeGod]

But why? It seems incredibly dumb to pull a no-shot bp claim gambit when I could instead shoot at possible PRs (or you!). "Why is he still alive?" questions aren't really that difficult to deal with.

Gah I dunno

Maybe I'm just too paranoid grrr

I'll reread

[FakeGod]

Where are you at now FG?

ISO'ing people individually.

That SB townflip really shook my reads.

[FakeGod]

opinion on the SB wagon?

Thor decided to sacrifice play to get rid of him.

Not much we could've done there.

[FakeGod]

I don't know.

That's why I'm rereading.

[FakeGod]

Thor attacked jmo slot relentlessly.

Would he really do that if jmo was his teammate?

[FakeGod]

Fine.

Let's gamble that Nacho is town.

That is now the assumption I will be playing under.

Night kill on Nacho makes sense anyways.

[FakeGod]

That means I'm looking at Lord M/Micc scum team.

Mindgamer/Amished slot looks pretty town.

[FakeGod]

Vote: Lord M

Consider my votes on Lord M and Micc.

[FakeGod]

It's ok.

You're scum.

[FakeGod]

Come on Guyett

these things are easily deduced

Lord M just implied that scum are able to quick hammer. i.e. scum are among those who are not voting.

Since he said Nacho is probably not pulling a nk gambit, Lord M's saying that the scum team is Micc and Mindgamer.

[FakeGod]

I like Micc since this game started.

I noticed.

You and Micc buddied Thor like no other.

[FakeGod]

If there were two scum in Micc/Mindgamer/Nacho and Lord M was town, game would have been over by now.

[FakeGod]

Hmmm

Instead of Micc/Mhork, you think it's Mindgamer/Mhork.

Mindgamer played solidly entire game, at least vote-wise.

He did not want ABR/Elyse lynch, and he wanted Thor lynch.

That is complete opposite of what Thor wanted.

[FakeGod]

Micc was the first one to unvote in the Thor's slipwagon.

That looks like Thor telling him to unvote in daychat.

Mhork unvoted shortly afterwards, too.

[FakeGod]

Not really seeing a Guyett_scum.

When I was entertaining Nacho-NK-gambit theory at the start of d5, Guyett pushed me off of it.

He has absolutely no reason to, unless it's Guyett-Nacho scum team, which I think is unlikely.

[FakeGod]

However, if Mhork is town, then Guyett must be scum.

[FakeGod]

Assuming Nacho is town, possible scum team combinations remaining are:

Micc + Mhork
Guyett + Mindgamer
Mhork + Guyett
Mhork + Mindgamer

[FakeGod]

Fg lets talk about gamer?

What about him?

[FakeGod]

@Mod: Prod Nacho please.

[FakeGod]

Fg lets talk about gamer?

What about him?

I think hes scum. I'm willing to get on that wagon and go vs mhork tomorrow if you are cool. I prefer a mhork lynch but gamer is a good compromise

Wait, you don't think Mhork is scum?

[FakeGod]

Then why does it matter which one goes first?

[FakeGod]

Congratulations to the scum team. This is the first game in history that I have voted wrong in a MyLo/LyLo.

Thank you for modding this game, Ald. It was a pleasure playing it.

[FakeGod]

There's nothing wrong with being cautious in endgame.

[FakeGod]

Let's avoid each other in the future, Lord Mhork.