Mini 1521: The Fall - Game Over

[Jake from State Farm]

so re-reading those posts I am still baffled how you were so sure, you even said you had proof of him being scum but you never had any proof. His actions look like a person trying to save his ass and discredit his attacker. The only thing that stands out is why he posted the wall of quotes from you and AP, I can't tell what he was trying to accomplish.

In the end he just looks like a player fighting an uphill battle and then he seems to give up.

[Jake from State Farm]

I just tried re-reading those posts again and I am not really sure what you are trying to get people to see or respond to.

oh yeah and you trying to PL me cause slandaar was trying to get me forced replaced makes you look really bad. If anything you should be voting slandaar but you seem ok with him not doing a damn thing all game.

[Jake from State Farm]

well my take is that is obviously false because I am not scum.

PV's activity has been shit most of the game, so there could have been many reasons for why he wasn't posting Plus he was attacking and voting you before I said I was going to vote him.

He makes a decent size post attacking you and revoting you (even though his vote was already on you) within 30 minutes of me making that post. You really think he saw me say that and quickly scrambled to attack you? seems like a stretch to me.

I also think that if he was getting lynched he would attempt to throw dirt on his buddy to distance himself, not ignore him completely.

p.edit - how do you know what scum PV would have done?

[Jake from State Farm]

I tried to find a scum game where he was lynched before his partners real fast but I can't find one. I will look again tomorrow when I have more time. I have had an exhausting weekend and I am pooped

[Jake from State Farm]

yeah I guess you have a point, I am not sure why he ignored me.

[Jake from State Farm]

mod please prod hermy

[Jake from State Farm]

oh my bad

[Jake from State Farm]

why the objection to duck? earlier you said that scum was in me/duck/hermy.

Also why when you were asking mastin on his thoughts of PV ignoring me, why did you not ask him about PV ignoring duck? you were the one who pointed out that PV ignored both of us.

Going from me/duck/hermy as possible scum to Duck is town so let's vote Slandaar really makes no sense.

trust me I would love a slandaar lynch right now but your vote reaks

[Jake from State Farm]

Also 2507 you say you think Slandaar is town, what changed?

[Jake from State Farm]

What makes duck obv town?

[Jake from State Farm]

hmm, going back through their interaction I did find post 1 post that stands out, that is enough to make me want to pay closer attention

unvote: duck

[Jake from State Farm]

At least Jake is making an effort which, ironically, makes me suspicious of him for looking protown.

[Jake from State Farm]

I wanted to post it Duck just gave me reason to.

It is obvious what he is saying; he thinks I want him replaced because of his case on me, even if you don't understand, you can see it didn't include 'because of Jake's appalling behavior' or any variation of that thus it is wrong.

You wanting me replaced because I think you are scum absolutely could be a possibility, it's certainly more believeable than you wanting me replaced because cursed at you.

The fact that you continued to push for me to be replaced after the mod chose not to replace me makes your behaviour appalling. Cursing and name calling isn't appaling imo, it's part of the game.

[Jake from State Farm]

@peregrine: you have generated a nice list of posts, bit there is no actual analysis/conclusions.. this makes it a bit hard to discuss with you, could you type up a post in which you outline why you believe there should be scum on grey and who that might be?

btw this is the post that I read of Duck's that stood out to me, would duck say this to his scum buddy? I guess he can but I want to look at their other interactions before I decide if I want to vote duck or not.

p.edit - I haven't cursed at any other player this game because nobody has pissed me off, but i can certainly point to other games where I have done the same. I mean someone once even called me kuribo-lite

[Jake from State Farm]

So, its part of the game only when someone makes a case on you?

Actually I started cursing at you because you purposely tried to imply I was lying by comparing 2 of my posts that had more than 200 game posts and multiple days between them.

That is a scum tactic.

[Jake from State Farm]

besides your entire case on me in your own words is

Invalidly Changed read.

[Jake from State Farm]

What I do as a mod is irrelevant to this game. Game mods have to consider all replacement requests, especially if more than 1 player is requesting replacement of the same player. If you felt my actions were bad/wrong report me to tierce. I have already been warned once for improperly replacing a player.

Though when flay responded to the question I asked about it he said he would take it to the team to discuss so obviously there must have been some merit.

Additionally I know that player and he's very good (or used to be). He also got in trouble for replacing out of games as certain alignments. If I had to guess I'd say those were scum games.

Take this to MD or pm tierce / flay/mith/whoever but it has no relevance to this game.

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh and I'd rather hammer but

vote: slandaar

Now it's l-1

[Jake from State Farm]

Well that was classy, I didn't expect you to just give up and self hammer. Knowing you actually were scum changes my opinion of you. No hard feelings?

[Jake from State Farm]

Im not getting lynched tomorrow. Lol @ u

[Jake from State Farm]

Slandaar's town.

Let's wait for a flip first ok?

Plus if he's town that still doesn't mean I'm scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

If he's town and aren't scum, they gonna love you

[Jake from State Farm]

Why would I know that best? Town don't self hammer.

[Jake from State Farm]

This will be my final post here.

To make it clear as clearly it wasn't; I am not playing with Duck/AP/EG/Jake again, I don't accept Jakes atrocious behaviour as shown in 2527, by extension find anyone who has voted me over Jake is absolutely disgraceful. You have voted me because I wanted Jake out of the game, it is just disgusting, if I don't want him in the game after his behaviour and that should be that, just put pressure on him and he would have replaced, but taking his side is just not acceptable at all. At. All. Don't join my games again, thank you.

[Jake from State Farm]

Knowing you actually were scum changes my opinion of you.

Wasn't Slandaar your top scumread for a while? Why was your opinion of him suddenly changed?

I was referring to him as a person going on my blacklist. I had previously said something to the effect that if he was town I was going to blacklist him and while he was my biggest scum read there was still a chance he was town and just a horrible player.

[Jake from State Farm]

right, but there was still parts of me that wondered if I was wrong, I actually tried to convince myself that I was a couple of times but just couldn't. When he self hammered I thought that was a classy move but turns out he wasn't scum.

I am pretty sure I said something similar to majiffy once or twice where i was trying to get him lynched but my words came across like I knew he was town. It's hard to explain really but i am never fully convinced until I get the flip

p.edit - he said he wasn't roleblocked

[Jake from State Farm]

you missed the conversation where he and AP went back and forth about the RB message? slandaar said he for sure wasn't blocked but he still refused to out his info

[Jake from State Farm]

Damn looks like you two took over for slandaar and I. Out of the 2 of you I'd probably go emo scum but my gut says vote duck. I'm going to do a thorough reread before I do anything. I feel mylo/lylo is my specialty so I'm taking my time

[Jake from State Farm]

What if scum is in mastin/ Hermy/duck? I'm not voting til I'm sure

[Jake from State Farm]

So I tend to do my heavy reading at night or at work. Since it was the weekend I didn't do jack. Promise tomorrow I'll do something or you can power lynch me

[Jake from State Farm]

ok I believe AP is town cause he was jklm and PV tried to join the PV wagon, he didn't provide any reasoning rather he slipped onto it which makes it look less likely a busy.

had PV kept his vote on emo day 2 I would have been more likely to believe that they were not a partnership, however he immediately unvoted which to me seems more like distancing rather than trying to throw dirt on a townie.

Looking at his analysis of the day 1 wagon, it's kind of a hot mess and I have no clue who he thought was trying to paint as scum in that exchange, my fear is more than 1 scum was on the wagon. Later he does seem to contradict what he says about emo when he points out just how bad her reasons to vote actually were.

post 1839 I think provided us the most info. He puts Duck on his list of scum but puts him last, if he is adding scum to the list this is where I would expect them to be listed. He also now has emo on his list but this is only after emo started voting pv.

I don't really see him say much about zeus at all and he spends most of the time focusing on emo/username

based on interactions I don't think username is scum as he diected more attention to him instead of emo.

pv/duck/emo is possible which puts mastin/ap is town pile.

Emo started pushing pv for no reason and still looks like a bus, I think it's possible that emo figured out that we probably had no cop and bussing the GF would give her town cred.

Also her 180 on the username slot doesn't make much sense to me, reaks of trying to buddy the replacement.

emo's iso was harder to go through but until the hard push on PV I never really saw anything that looked like a genuine push on pv, just a few off comments towards him trying to discredit him and I can't tell if that was genuine or not.

her post 1403 is pretty bad cause she concedes he's a pr but votes him anyway cause his performance.

2074 is another example of n00b scum. "why me and why not someone else"

if emo is scum I definitely don't think hermy is scum cause she never really provides good reasoning for him instead attacking what seems to be an easy target.

plus the Don nk points to emo scum, especially how she tried to use the Don kill to paint others as scum which is also what I expect from scum.


JKLM's iso is useless

AP - pretty sure AP and emo can't be scum together, though I have seen scum bus each other in mylo twice so it's still in the back of my mind as a possibility.

1599 - AP makes a good point that pv's vote and unvote would work if he and emo were buddies.

I find myself agreeing with a lot of things AP has said but that could just be being naive, also I don't think AP would have invited mastin to join the game if AP was scum, AP would invite mastin if AP was town imo so I think I can rule AP out as scum.


Duck - only thing that really stands out is he doesn't ever make a hard push toward pv and he voted him before anyone else did. This is where I get torn of a duck/emo team cause I don't see why scum emo would follow scum duck lynching their GF. Plus his vote on emo doesn't look like a bus to me

duck/emo doesn't seem likely though and neither does duck/hermy which really confuses the hell out of me. Duck could be town here which kind of throws me off.

I still need to read Zeus and I want content from hermy, I also still need to ISO username and zeus which I will do later.

i'd be ok voting emo today but still have more work to do.

[Jake from State Farm]

well without doing my iso of mastin/zeus I am pretty sure you are scum so I have no issues playing your game. All this is going to do is confirm that one of you and AP is scum

vote: emo

p.edit - I agree, no point like the present

[Jake from State Farm]

if you honestly felt that you would be voting me

[Jake from State Farm]

don't worry I won't be unvoting

[Jake from State Farm]

Skimming this recent content, I have only one thing to say:

This special kind of crazy can only come from town. Emo isn't scum. Duck's probably town but we'll see. Hermy's the variable to be concerned about for me.

AP's probably scum, and Jake's a scumread of mine as well.

(This is me not hammering, obviously.)

I disagree, that kind of crazy could easily come from scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

Hermy should have been policy lynched yesterday. Next time listen to me.

Hermy lynch yesterday would have accomplished what exactly?

[Jake from State Farm]

AP you never addressed Slandaar's scum read of you and town read of me. Neither has Jake. I don't think you are both scum, so one of you is playing horribly.

Nothing to address imo

[Jake from State Farm]

I still need to read Zeus and I want content from hermy, I also still need to ISO username and zeus which I will do later.

Hermy's the variable to be concerned about for me.

I said multiple times that Hermy was a wildcard. If I was scum, I would keep Hermy alive to avoid the situation we are in right now where we risk the game on a null read. AP is the only person that town reads Hermy, so we can only gain information on Hermy by lynching AP? Keeping the Zeus slot alive was bad play. I only voted Slandaar because I was under the assumption that Jake would be lynched next. AP disagrees.

But who cares if AP disagrees? You think he's scum right?

This just begs to wonder that if your plan was to lynch me next, why are you not voting me?

[Jake from State Farm]

If I was scum, I would keep Hermy alive

so we are in

the situation we are in right now where we risk the game on a null read.

I really need to preview my posts before posting sorry.

I don't think anyone would kill Hermy with a confirmed mason alive. So him being alive was going to be a given.

But if your plan was to lynch slandaar then lynch me, Hermy would still be alive.

Doesn't make sense

[Jake from State Farm]

Do you even know what I'm trying to do right now?

You are trying to convince people I'm scum by self voting and hope people town read you and lynch me.

Am I close?

[Jake from State Farm]

If you honestly felt Hermy was the best lynch candidate yesterday you should have never compromised

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't know if you realize this but if you are town then you are the reason we lost

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't usually sheep, like almost never. Especially in mylo/lylo which is my specialty.

[Jake from State Farm]

How was he clearly scum?

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake is scum because I'm mad.

[Jake from State Farm]

@mastin, the vote count showed that emo had no votes on her. Why are you saying the vc said something different ?

[Jake from State Farm]

Day 4 Votecount #2


AngryPidgeon - 1: Emogirl123

Not Voting: JFSF, Hermy, AngryPidgeon, Mastin2, The-Duck


With

6

alive it's

4

to lynch.

Night falls in (expired on 2014-01-31 12:00:00).

Fuck, I swear I'm not procrastinating, here. I said I was going to get caught up and you can damn-well believe I'm going to, but I was entirely blindsided by how much work I had over the weekend. (I have them marked in my sig as V/LA for damn-good reason.) Normally, I can get some posting in, but I've been spoilering people with there being no noticeable difference between weekends and weekdays when bluntly, I sometimes really, REALLY don't have time for mafia on the weekends like I didn't have for this one, soyeah. Playing catch-up right now. Everywhere, not just here, which sucks because if it was just here I could get down and do it. (I think I'm actually coming out of my depression at last. I think. Hard to be certain.)

well without doing my iso of mastin/zeus I am pretty sure you are scum so I have no issues playing your game. All this is going to do is confirm that one of you and AP is scum

vote: emo

p.edit - I agree, no point like the present

VOTE: emogirl123 guys Jake is scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

Can you explain why scum-AP would try to push you over any other player?

Jake and AP are both scum. Jake was set up to be lynched today. AP didn't want to bus Jake and want to win by inducing a wagon on me. He thought he had the votes.

but here is the thing. If I was "set up" to be lynched today why would you also go against the plan? OK Ap went against the plan and you OMGUS and vote him, but why not vote me and then point out that AP is the bad one for not sticking with the plan? You would probably be more credible if you did that.

The fact that AP didn't follow the plan actually makes him more likely to be town, I would think in a situation where he and I were scum together he would still come out voting me for town cred.

out of the exchange between you and him, you look worse and now you have to resort to fake AtE by self voting. I have been duped by scum self voting for AtE and I am not ever going to fall for it again. There is no way you as town would self vote in mylo and risk throwing the game away.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm reading this game, and I don't give a rats ass if mastin agrees with you or not. The fact that AP didn't stick to the plan shows to me that his reads changed which is something i'd expect from town not scum. Scum would have no problems sticking with the plan.

[Jake from State Farm]

also why do I get the feeling you are trying to buddy mastin with that last comment?

[Jake from State Farm]

that is a lot of assuming

[Jake from State Farm]

gurantee there was more people willing to vote me than you so AP switching to you makes no sense if he is scum. you/AP/mastin/Duck and it's gg.

Ap is town read of mine and is solidified with his change to vote you, that leaves you/mastin/duck as possible scum.

scum AP would take the easy route and the easy route was through me, not you

[Jake from State Farm]

Just read username's iso and I see nothing about his posts that make me read his alignment one way or the other, all his serious votes were on townies except for a pressure vote on PV which could have easily been a way to tell his partner to post more, If username is actually scum.

mastin hasn't been playing like mastin so I can't tell if he is really busy or scum trying to skate by on his name.

p.edit - but i am not scum so it doesn't make sense.

[Jake from State Farm]

and I am pretty sure ScumAp would bus his partner in that type of situation or at the very least go along with a NL to get an extra kill in.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake, I can't convince you that you are scum. I am trying to convince you that I am not scum, but you rejected everything I have said.

My read for last scum pair is AP/Jake. We are pretty fucked for this game anyways, so everyone better hope I am right.

so you think the best way to convince me you are town is to call me scum?

[Jake from State Farm]

from your perspective AP could be scum with hermy or mastin in addition to me.

It's very easy for you as scum to self vote and put yourself at L-2 and go "LOOK, no quick hammer that means I must be town and those 2 must be scum" which is exactly what you did, however as others said there could be other reasons why you were not hammered, you are only pushing 1 way and trying to discredit the other possibilities.

what if the 3 of us are all town and scum just wasn't around to quick hammer? why do you not even consider that as a possibility? easy cause you are scum.

I have been in that situation where scum just had to quick hammer me and guess what? they were never online at the same time and I believe I was able to convince others I was town and I am pretty sure town won that game. (would have to double check, it's possible town lost the next day phase )

[Jake from State Farm]

There is a reason why I originally scum read AP/Hermy developed my read into AP/Jake. Your posts were shit.

Thank you?

It makes perfect sense. You are scum with AP, he couldn't have lynched you. Lynching Duck or Mastin would have been met with resistance from me. He town read Hermy for most of the game.

p.edit - but i am not scum so it doesn't make sense.

Humour me. Under the assumption that I am town, explain this bullshit to me. If you can't, I am forced to vote you because I am town.

he could have lynched duck, cause I would have gone along with a duck lynch and your opposition would just make it easy for him to paint you as duck's partner. I don't think you and Duck are partners after i did my re-read, if you noticed that changed from what I was saying the previous day phase.

you are correct that he would probably never get a lynch on mastin and would look bad trying to lynch hermy but that doesn't mean that I am automatically his partner. If Ap is scum his partner could be anyone including myself, you are arguing that is partner could ONLY be me and nobody else which just isn't true.

p.edit - If AP is scum I would have no idea why he didn't vote me, as that would be his easiest road to victory.

[Jake from State Farm]

WAIT A MINUTE
I think I found something brb

[Jake from State Farm]

1st - Emo you said this

AP why the fuck did you lead out voting me. If you are town, this game would have been so much easier if you voted Jake like you said you were going to do. Now you write up a complete bullshit case on me and I can't tell if you are VI or scum.

BUt you realize this never happened right? AP didn't come out voting you, you were the first one to cast a vote and that vote was for a NL. If your "plan" was to lynch me today you voting NL makes no sense. Blaming AP for not going along with the plan looks like scum scolding town.

2nd -

I've never argued that scum didn't quick hammer me because you or me must be scum.

no but you did argue that AP or myself must be scum because you weren't quick hammered.

Yeah, scum is either you or Jake. I'm going to bet it on Jake. The fact that the game hasn't ended it, and it won't end for another day proves it.

The fact that you were not quick hammered doesn't prove or disprove your theory of who is scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

I really think you and whoever else is your partner were banking on my mislynch and when AP mentioned that he wasn't interested in lynching me and lynching you instead you kind of panicked

[Jake from State Farm]

my point is who cares what AP said, if your plan was to lynch me why would him thinking of voting you sway you?

no you didn't argue scum was in me/you, you argued that scum was in me/AP and the lack of a quick hammer supposedly proved that, which is false.
lack of quick hammer proved nothing.

p.edit - of course you would line me up. I'm the easiest target next to hermy. Why would you not show any interest in lynching hermy? why was he only acceptable yesterday but not today?

[Jake from State Farm]

When have I ever said a lack of quick hammer proved anything? Look at my posts after I unvoted from myself. Where have I said me being placed at L-2 meant anything. If I wanted it to mean something, I would have left my vote for the remainder of the phase.

I mean sure you don't actually say the word quick hammer but this is basically what you are saying in this post.

Yeah, scum is either you or Jake. I'm going to bet it on Jake. The fact that the game hasn't ended it, and it won't end for another day proves it.

wasn't trying to get you to PL him, just trying to guage what kind of read you have on him. Yesterday it seemed like you were scum reading him but today it doesn't seem to be that you are. It's weird.

p.edit - except for the fact that more people were showing interest in lynching slandaar over me yesterday and nobody not even yourself was making a compelling argument to lynch me first and leaving him alive. Plus he went into a tailspin and essentially made it impossible to not lynch anyone else.

p.edit x 2 - I think you have a high opinion of yourself and I don't believe for a minute that you had complete control over anything

[Jake from State Farm]

not to mention you TRIED to get me lynched yesterday and it failed when nobody went along with you.

[Jake from State Farm]

Slandaar being lynched was a direct result of my vote. Jake, if I tried to lynch you, you would have been lynched.

Who would the 5 votes come from?

Hermy and AP were solid on you. I wasn't going to self vote.

you didn't have 5 people to lynch me

p.edit - why do you keep saying yourself? You said there was guranteed scum in myself and AP not you

[Jake from State Farm]

That's why I think you dropped your plan. You realized you couldn't sway AP anymore and by your own thinking of mastin sheeping AP, you felt like you would lose mastin also making me difficult to lynch.

You banked on me sheeping you (you eve asked me to) and you are banking on duck to sheep you.

It's becoming clear who your partner actually is now that I think about it.

[Jake from State Farm]

Let's say I sheeped you onto AP. Who would be the final 2 votes assuming you could control the lynch?

[Jake from State Farm]

No he became scum to you when you realized you couldn't manipulate him anymore IMO.

[Jake from State Farm]

AP was on Duck, and I convinced AP to not vote Duck and he sheeped my vote on Slandaar.

After this happened yesteday, yes I absolutely believe you went into today thinking you could convince (aka manipulate) AP to vote how you wanted.

I mean you did proclaim that you controlled the lynch yesterday and could have lynched me had you wanted to. That sounds like someone who is good at convincing or manipulating people.

[Jake from State Farm]

So if both of us were lynchable and you honestly thought he was RBd. Why did you choose him over me?

[Jake from State Farm]

nah, I have no interest it wasting my time trying to convince scum that I am not scum

[Jake from State Farm]

Guess you are going to have to use your power of persuasion to convince 3 people to vote one of us. Should be easy enough for you to do

[Jake from State Farm]

mod can you please prod hermy? Thanks

[Jake from State Farm]

Ap where did you go? you being quiet is starting to worry me.

[Jake from State Farm]

to be honest, everything aside, you are probably town that made a bad judgement call. but if i let you get away with a lynch on me, we lose the game regardless. so get your shit right and lynch off jake.

lol, so AP can be wrong about you and still be town but I can't?

you really are working hard for that AP/Mastin vote, you are probably going to succeed too.

smh

[Jake from State Farm]

AP, why would you vote duck when he stated that he would lynch Jake?

[Jake from State Farm]

why does mastin town reading duck have to do with anything?

why does who duck wants to vote have to do with anything?

why did you not just ask him why he voted duck and leave off the part about duck wanting to vote me?

[Jake from State Farm]

you assume a lot don't you?

[Jake from State Farm]

plus the way you just laid it out just proves scum is waiting on 2 townies to vote me.

[Jake from State Farm]

VOTE: The-Duck

you missed this one mod

[Jake from State Farm]

i'm on v/la until mastion posts some shit and we have a replacement

[Jake from State Farm]

great job mod, now can you prod mastin/emo/and the duck?

Thanks

[Jake from State Farm]

it's emo/pecan imo

[Jake from State Farm]

IMO the scenarios i was working out earlier puts emo's partner at either you or duck. The way emo was speaking on Hermy's behalf saying he would vote me just made it clearer to me.

Emo is really banking on getting the mastin/ AP votes, she even freaked out when AP voted.

It could be duck but when I did my reread, duck/emo made less sense.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm sure emo would flip out if we lynched pecan right now

[Jake from State Farm]

@ pecan, there have been no recent talks of AP being lynched. It's been me or emo. Please explain where you got that idea and why you support an AP lynch

[Jake from State Farm]

yes, go look at the PV lynch and how she supposedly seemed to come out of nowhere to push him, also look into the part where she believed slandaar was roleblocked but lynched him anyway cause the "plan" was to lynch him and then immediately lynch him but she went against her own plan.

tell me she doesn't deserve rope for those things

[Jake from State Farm]

why duck?

did you see my reasons why i thought duck probably wasn't scum? if no please read and respond.

[Jake from State Farm]

also look into the part where she believed slandaar was roleblocked but lynched him anyway cause the "plan" was to lynch him and then immediately lynch him but she went against her own plan.

What? I lynched Slandaar because he was my top suspect for most of the game. You can see this even from as early as don_johnson being night killed, to Slandaar voting username. What plan? I lynched Slandaar because I thought he is scum. What is your plan for lynching people..

wait so now you are contradicting yourself

I only voted Slandaar because I was under the assumption that Jake would be lynched next. AP disagrees.

^ that is your Plan from your own mouth

[Jake from State Farm]

that is what I have been arguing all along. If you were town you would have voted me regardless what AP said or did. That was YOUR plan, to vote me if slandaar flipped town. He flipped town.

As scum you were banking on AP following the plan and when he didn't, you tried to attack him.

p.edit - well since I haven't posted stupid shit the entire game, you should still be town reading me.

p.edit - yes we are in mylo

[Jake from State Farm]

As scum you were banking on AP following the plan and when he didn't, you tried to attack him.

the fuq? he attacked me.

no he said he was going to vote you, I don't believe he actually attacked you.

but forget that for a minute, please explain how his read on you changing alters your plan of Town slandaar = jake gets lynched.

[Jake from State Farm]

i'm not really down for a duck lynch

[Jake from State Farm]

:scratches head:

[Jake from State Farm]

:scratches head:

Do you even know why Slandaar town read you?

I have no clue actually

[Jake from State Farm]

No lynch, on what grounds?

I see a dead vig, tracker, 2 masons and godfather for PRs.

Has there been any discussion about what's left in the game? No more masons right?

The only reason we'd want to no lynch is if we had a way to elimate a townie from suspicion tomorrow. Any PR claims I should be aware of?

pedit: @AP Why is Duck scum? ISOs only give me so much...

Ap has claimed 1 shot bullet proof

[Jake from State Farm]

@AP What's your read on emo? Also, did you claim odd-night something somewhere? Then what's this 1-shot BP business?

I claimed odd night something or other in hopes of getting shot.

My read on Emo is that I waffle on her back and forth forever and hate trying to sort her. She spamposts a lot in a way that is hard to do as town, but some of the things she says rub me wrong. Nothing she does really seems town motivated to me, but that could be personality/style differences making her hard to read.

here is the thing I never bothered to ask til now. Why did you retract the claim and claim BP? Why not leave that claim out there and hope mafia tried to take you out at some point.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake I've given you this entire time to show me that you are town. My stance on AP never changed. It has been scum this entire time and everything I had said which considers him as town was solely for the purpose of prying info.

if you have been reading my posts and honestly don't town read me then I can't help you.

the thing is you said you town read me until I said stupid things, but what stupid things do you think I said and why are they stupid?

did I say these stupid things before or after I voted you ?

[Jake from State Farm]

why can't you let the man answer for himself?

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: mastin

until he posts something significant I am not removing my vote. Posting in other games and avoiding this one is completely unacceptable.

[Jake from State Farm]

don't change my posts!

but yeah, post game if he is town, i am reporting him. Obviously if he is scum his play is considered acceptable

[Jake from State Farm]

So with the four of us online that narrows it down to scum being in Jake, AP, Duck, Mastin, Emo and myself

but

not both Emo and myself...

The sleuth work here is so exciting I don't know how I'll get any sleep.

i am not ruling out you and emo either. in case you haven't heard about the unvote heard round the world, quick hammers don't happen when I am online

[Jake from State Farm]

this game...

[Jake from State Farm]

This read through seems fake

[Jake from State Farm]

I will add that at least he's attempting or faking to attempt. I have no confidence that pecan actually read anything

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not scum either though and tbh nothing mastin has posted shows anything scummy.

[Jake from State Farm]

unvote

AP, you still haven't made a compelling case on duck. At least I haven't seen one. Why duck?

[Jake from State Farm]

Mastin's read looks fake cause it's not unbiased. He was scum reading me way back and obviously didn't read since he's doing it now. His read through now is with the mindset that I'm scum whenever someone does that its almost always scum. Town would start without any bias. Also he's lucky I can't remember what game it was but mastin described my play style once and I'd love him to explain how his own words about my town play probably directly mirrors this game yet now I'm scummy for it.

[Jake from State Farm]

cause I only voted him to get him to post and he's doing that. I also want to see if his biased reads continues or not. If he re-reads the entire thread and still comes out with me =scum then I know he's full of shit.

[Jake from State Farm]

@everyone I'm not beyond imagining a Mastin/Jake scum team (the Mastin vote in post 3000 reminds me of Jake's post 382 about PV at the mod. ie. He's prompting his buddy to post), which means this charade of confbias reads Mastin is posting - and unlikely to finish - is not only a waste of our time, but a bus on his buddy.

despite the fact that i am not scum, this is actually a very good post.

The reality is I hate people who lurk and I just want people being active playing the game. There was no hidden meaning behind my actions.

[Jake from State Farm]

There was no confidence in his scum read of you, he pulled one out of thin air in post 2753. Two ISO posts prior (2698) to that he was completely uncertain about you, "Consider this a pseudovote of AP and a pseudotownread of Emo/Duck and maybe Jake.". Before that he made wishy washy statements that left you neither here nor there. In fact, his 2753 is the only clear statement where he calls you scum. That's not "scum reading you from way back", that's calling you scum in one post.

Well for some reason I remember him saying a couple of times he thought I was scum, maybe I am mis-remembering things.

You go on to suggest he "...obviously didn't read since he's doing it now." I thought, according to you, he's faking the reads now not way back when he was supposedly calling you scum? Or is he faking reads from back then and faking reads now? Look this may be a small point to nitpick about, but I feel it's very important since it shows an inconsistency in the way you are refuting Mastin's posts. You might as well just call him fake in general. Instead you call him fake now, make a convoluted attempt to still credit him with making an effort while taking a quick swipe at my credibility, then go back to calling him fake, then say he's reading now, but wasn't earlier in the game, then... awww now you got me all muddled from the rubbish you're spinning.

I felt like his read through now were biased towards painting me as scum because he knows I am a threat to him. I have played with mastin as scum 2 times and both times I was early in calling him out as scum as his play as town is easier to pick out. So far his play this game is nothing like town mastin.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Get your vote back on mastin, Jake. We'll lynch him and then in all likelihood will lynch you.

I will vote how I please thanks. In the off chance I am wrong and duck is the other scum, leaving mastion at L-2 is probably not the best idea. If Mastin is actually town it will be apparent enough.

mastin's post 2431 is kind of funny, I wouldn't kill mastin cause I don't respect his play? I am pretty sure I have complimented mastin on a couple of occasions and have come to him for advice so that's obviously a false statement. Mastin as town is a very dangerous player.

[Jake from State Farm]

at some point I may go look over my past games with mastin, I am pretty sure he has replaced into at least 1 of the games I have played with him

[Jake from State Farm]

I will vote how I please thanks. In the off chance I am wrong and duck is the other scum, leaving mastion at L-2 is probably not the best idea. If Mastin is actually town it will be apparent enough.

Firstly, I don't believe you actually think Duck is scum.

Secondly, Duck could've reappeared at any point - well before you unvoted - so I don't believe you're actually taking that into consideration at all. Besides, at some point everyone is going to have to cut loose and make a decision or at the very least indicate their strongest lynch/no lynch preference/s and reach a consensus.

Thirdly, you keep pointing out how flawed Mastin's reads look. You seem to infer he's scum continuously, so what are you afraid of?

I don't think he's scum but I'm paranoid by nature.

I was giving mastin the benefit of doing what mastin does, but I just checked and YET AGAIN he's ignoring a game in mylo for games in early stages which can't possibly come from town.

vote: mastin

[Jake from State Farm]

can you just save everyone the eyesore and just vote me already? I mean it's obvious that is where you are going today.

[Jake from State Farm]

Well, this has to be one of the least-useful lynch-VCs ever, considering that every living player except for Jake was on the lynch. That said, aside from my Jake suspicion, the wagon didn't feel scum-driven. It's an assurance that we have at least one scum in here, but I don't feel like it's two. The general vibe I got around the lynch was of that. Plus, I don't really see the scum interactions, here. Which two would be scum together, here? I'm not seeing it.

btw in order for you to make a decision about the lynch you have to analyze the reasons given and I don't believe you have done that.

[Jake from State Farm]

Cold feet?

Mastin is scum. Emo will have to lynch their buddy, or the buddy's already bussing Mastin. So that's you or Jake. Mastin's distortion campaign with cherry-picking Jake quotes and making assertions from another dimension is deliberate confusion. I feel it's WIFOM, Jake appears to be his buddy, but the longer this stuff goes on for the more seeds of doubt start to creep in. Or it's yourself, or Emo. It's not Duck's slot.

you really think mastin is spending all this time trying to cast doubt on his scumbuddy?

[Jake from State Farm]

mastin is so town it hurts. we isolated scum in

AP/pecan

/jake. gg all.

He's not though. His play is nothing like town mastin.

I'm not sure who mastin's buddy is but it's obvious reading his fake catchup posts he's not town

[Jake from State Farm]

Also that pic AP posted made me laugh out loud.

[Jake from State Farm]

please tell me it's not jake.

It was jake

Go seahawks!!!

[Jake from State Farm]

Yes AP for scum mvp

[Jake from State Farm]

AP was the best scum buddy

[Jake from State Farm]

Lol pecan. You were truly the best scum buddy. Was just razzing AP

I just hope slandaar can forgive me.

[Jake from State Farm]

I broke no site rules. Sorry you are mad at me for playing towards my win condition when you played against yours but I broke no site rules. Game rules? Perhaps but not site rules.

[Jake from State Farm]

Embarrassed cause I led my team to victory and didn't get lynched? Nope not at all.

I didn't have a grudge against you either. You were town and were a threat. You were looking like the town leader and I managed to discredit you and get you lynched.

Win at all costs. I'm happy with my play.

[Jake from State Farm]

That was me, I had a pr vibe from him.

[Jake from State Farm]

Don't feel bad. Mastin really made it easy

[Jake from State Farm]

Dead thread?

[Jake from State Farm]

Was kind of hoping for more lol

@emo - if you read this I found your play (early on anyway ) refreshing and quite good.