Mini 1535 - Game Over

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Vote surye

Choo Choo.

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I think there is a really good chance Rubicon is scum. He'll be my top target tomorrow. I'll give it everything I've got. I'll make a huge amazing case against him and we will revel in the blood of Rubicon, mark my words. Tomorrow will be a great day!

To not be forgotten but not followed blindly.

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ABR might be mafia this game. Hes putting in more effort than I typically expect from his town game. Surye first though.

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Scum:

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This might have flown when my slot was just being a lurker fuck, but he actually got replaced. By me. So find someone else to put on your mislynch list.

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I have ISO'd Surye earlier and almost nothing seemed to be off to me, his thought process was relatively easy to follow except his dropped suspicions.

The NK looks like an attempt to frame or to look like an attempt to frame, I have to think a little more who would think like this.

What looks normal in ISO doesn't always look normal in context. Its important when doing this to read posts leading up, if not also after, all of theirs.

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Fusion/Gooner/Surye

What made this change to rubicon/me/gooner. Why was suryve removed?

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Also this isn't lylo? The fuck. Unless you know more than the rest of us, that should be tomorrow.

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Why were you so willing to vote rubicon if you thought it was Lylo?

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I think Fusion and I were the only PRs in the game

That would be a very weak town. I'd only expect 2 scum if it were true. A neighbourizer isn't that useful at all. And an IC is like a single mason. I'd expect needing ~3 masons to make a game this size balanced with 3 scum. I'd value a neighbourizer at less than a mason, not more.

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I think Fusion and I were the only PRs in the game

That would be a very weak town. I'd only expect 2 scum if it were true. A neighbourizer isn't that useful at all. And an IC is like a single mason. I'd expect needing ~3 masons to make a game this size balanced with 3 scum. I'd value a neighbourizer at less than a mason, not more.

Shouldn't that depend on amount of scum power in the setup, which we don't know?

That would be my baseline for 3 vanillascum?

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Can a scum be a neighbourizer?

Yes.

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It makes me feel better about you. You are in no way conftown.

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4 group scum in a 13 player game is completely insane, and a single kill both nights means there likely isn't an SK or multiple factions, so no.

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Surye
Rubicon
Dessew

I wonder if that actually makes sense as a scumteam, because its what my poe keeps spitting out.

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Reads list is something like

Town
Aegor

Prob Town
Kush

Circumstantially Town?
ABR
Gooner
Hazingfitz

POE'd
Surye
Rubicon
Dessew

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I don't agree with my POE so at least someone does!

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His end of day panic getting day1 lynch guy to hammer himself. Scum wouldn't have bothered.

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I'm masons with Aegor, I even softclaimed it earlier. Totes believable, now lynch a real suspect.

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I used the phrase 'Totes believable' clearly I was being serious! But seriously, don't lynch Aegor.

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Because clearly I would flounder like this as his scumbuddy! Its not like I've been playing for 8 years or anything.

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I am claiming role info, I was planning on claiming it eventually today anyway. He's town. We just aren't masons .

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I am clearly saying so? I'm a 1-shot cop. My former self didn't use it n1 so I used it on Aegor last night. I only made that reads list to breadcrumb it. Also note how I came out today attacking ABR and Surye, the only 2 people in that set from the VCA once me and Aegor are removed.

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He just generally seemed to approach things from a town mind set. I haven't meta'd him though.

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Unvote

Just because I want discussion still and this town seems prone to quick lynch people.

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your role is just too powerful to be scum whit so little town power.

A neighbourizer, in terms of power, is almost a VT.

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Why on earth was there a push for Surye's claim?

I'm not really expecting more town power at this point, so don't care. Surye is still the lynch I'm pretty sure, but I should really reread things.

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Aegor, we should work together in finding the scums. I'm kind of losing motivation for this game.

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Those are accurate statements. Though the POE stuff was actually just me setting up making a list so that I could softclaim my result on aegor. So all I've really said is 'Choo choo', a fine case if I've ever seen one.

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Let me rephrase it as a question, since it wasn't clear:

You said this, but not what you think you saw that was important, can you please elaborate on what you found that was important?

Choo choo.

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Thats not helping me find scum, its lynching someone without doing any leg work.

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Vote surye

I still think this is scum. I only unvoted cause he was getting up there and I wanted to reduce quick lynch chances.

Dessew is also scum, hes 'worried' about what scum powers there might be because hes terrified of Aegor and Me both being comf town.

When I asked Aegor to help me figure out that game, I meant like, actually discussing things, not him just telling me his pet read that I still mostly disagree with.

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Aegor at least should really be green in those vcs. Me too reasonably but~.

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eh, I'll take that.

unvote vote Dessew

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I'm waiting to see why Rubicon needed more time.

(he's scum with dessew)

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chamber/havingfitz/Surye

This is the scum team right here ^^

Yep, totally claimed that I was a cop out of nowhere to stop a likely mislynch when we were super far ahead anyway. That totally makes sense for that scum team.

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I don't really feel like hammering. This lynch doesn't sit well with me because dessew and rubicon are my other top 2 scum reads. I was pretty sure there was at least 2 scum in (dessew surye rubicon) and now I'm starting to wonder if suryve is the non-scum in that bunch.

Rubicon, can you link me to a previous town games where you've used this pairing based scumhunting strategy? It feels extremely artificial, easy to fake as scum.

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Me and aegor both being on dessew and that not being the leading wagon is also distressing. We are basically confirmed town by any reasonable metric.

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You should be trying to look at all town ABR.

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Both nightkilled townies had you as their strongest scumread. This is especially telling on the night1 kill.

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Ok.

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havingfitz basically has to be scum now? meh.

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Uh....that was a hammer....

Why no claim request?

This is a pretty bad post anyway. Dessew had implicitly claimed vanilla earlier, and I wouldn't expect any more PR claims? Surely they would have just come forward to make me or ABR look worse.

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Vote Surye

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That ABR kill was embarrassing btw, basically the only way we lose this now is if you guys lynch me today.

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aegor is definitley scum i think! he is so eager to vote me, and he doesn't even consider the possibility that im town troll/vi etc. TOWN would be afraid of that possibility.

If aegor is scum, hes a godfather, we are behind enough in lynched that I'm ok losing to that.

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As soon as possible I'm going to rewrite my page-long case against chamber from last night's neighbor QT

Don't bother? just lynch surye with me (you think we are both scum yeah?). And then I'll confirm myself tonight. I'm not a 1-shot cop I'm a joat.

Last night I rbed Kush because a missed vig shot would have been a lost game + when there are still 3 scum alive I figured they'd send their towniest looking member to make the kill. No stopped kill means most scumteams don't contain kush, maybe one with gooner? but meh.

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I can vig someone tonight? 2 kills should make it pretty clear I'm town, unless you think the scum were sitting on a kill they chose not to use?


DoctorPepper didn't use an ability N1, cause he was flaky as fuck. Though I do have a 4th ability I could have claimed he used N1 if you want to feel better. He totaly Doced uh, fusion, yeah, thats it. <_<.

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Yes.

I thought the most likely kills were me and Aegor, and neither of those protects gives new info. I'd rather play to gain information.

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(not that I could self protect anyway)

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I am claiming that.

I have a reasonable suspicion that you are, yes.

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lolol nice
VOTE: surye
work averted

Still do the work anyway. I'd rather not misvig.

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Joats normally have 4 abilities?

I don't normally make it to lylo, frankly. Let me think on this one.

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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... all_trades

I'm literally the standard implementation of a Joat, I don't know what more you want here. You can go dig through games looking for examples as easily as me.

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Dessew being town meant that one of the people in my null section was wrong, the most likely answer was fitz? It seemed pretty obvious from my pov at the time. Why does this even stand out as something needing an explanation?

Its lylo but its not 3p lylo, I have time to unvote unless the scum are super humanly coordinated. It doesn't carry the same weight (also I'm just pretty sure that I'm right).

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It stands out as needing an explanation because you had previously said two of Dessew, Surye, and me were scum, and I had just hammered Dessew under very suspicious circumstances. That should point to me and Surye, not havingfitz. Not to mention you had Surye as an equal scum read with Dessew, and then chose to vote Dessew twice and refused to hammer Surye (who is now nearly confirmed scum).

I'm expecting 3 scum. I never said either of you weren't still scumreads, fitz just moved up to third place? I refused to hammer because I didn't like the surye wagon and thought there was a decent chance one of you 3 was town, I was just wrong about which.

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I'm not shooting kush.

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Fitz hasn't been around and is scum, so, scum can't quick-hammer even if a town is on a bad wagon. He probably mentioned that he wouldn't be to them at night.

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Or you could vote for surye.

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Thats cool, I'm not going to vote for kush. I can vig my desired target if we no lynch.

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lol, try and explain the balance of this game with me as scum.

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Kush might be scum, hes not in my top 3 though, I've made that explicitly clear. I didn't answer because it was a dumb question.

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I think its entirely possible, I'll let whoever is alive tomorrow sort you gooner and kush?

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Also not hammering. So me and Rubicon can both only be scum with kush if we are.

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@chamber wrt Post 1149...why was the ABR kill embarrassing?

So you are scum that is butt hurt I called your kill choice bad, got it.

So your claim is worthless to anyone who might suspect you

Look at the claimed roles, there is no way the town only had an IC and a neighbourizer, doesn't matter what I claim, that its a power role is basically enough to confirm me.

@chamber wrt Post 1202...so I have Dessew as town for most of the game and when he is mislynched...I become scum? HTF does that work? Do you think there is more than one scum on the Dessew mislynch?  HTF does that work?  Do you think there is more than one scum on the Dessew mislynch?

Your acting when he was lynched sucked? Scum are allowed to have town reads.

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That's an accurate statement.

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(if its gooner at all we are likely screwed).

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Scum played well. I should have campaigned harder for kush's earlier lynch, as has been stated. But it sucks when scum is the most active subset of players.

This isn't remotely true? Outside of kush(if going by content), they were basically some of the lowest activity individuals, especially havingfitz.

I investigated aegor because he seems like hes prone to getting mislynched and was in that wagon set.

It does vex me that he didn't vote for suyve with me, or at least pay enough attention to unvote once fitz had, because he was clearly the reason they weren't speed hammering.