Mini 1544: Dry, Bland and Tasteless (Game Over)

[evilpacman18]

I will never trust a mason claim from ABR again anyway

vvv

[evilpacman18]

vote: bjc

Contrived RVS votes = scum

[evilpacman18]

true

vote: LeMidget

was uncertain about Nikanor town. Am now town leaning
bjc responded well

[evilpacman18]

also

VOTE: Egg because he's the poster above me and it's RVS so why not

vote: bjc

Contrived RVS votes = scum

not only his vote contrived, it's also suspiciously over-explained

[evilpacman18]

Appeals to emotion and inexperience too

[evilpacman18]

bullshit, just because you don't think "appeal to X" is a legitimate tell doesn't mean it's scummy when someone uses it. I'm obviously not gonna call every person who appeals to emotion scum but the way he used it was obviously scummy, his appeals to emotion and inexperience specifically were scummy, not every appeal ever. In a short two lines in post 26 he tried to deflect in every way he could think of:
"first non-newbie game"
"just trying to understand someone's logic"
"behind saying someone's not town" (this is a lie)
"in hindsight it was probably a silly question"
"but it's page 1"

literally nothing but deflecting and attempts to disassociate himself from his own words. That's not town.

[evilpacman18]

bullshit, just because you don't think "appeal to X" is a legitimate tell doesn't mean it's scummy when someone uses it.

Yes, it actually is scummy when someone with 3.5 years on-site tries to use "appeal to X" as a tell. I've seen you play mafia in real life, and you are better than that.

"behind saying someone's not town" (this is a lie)

How is it a lie?

YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ WHAT I SAID

it's a lie because in 20 there is nothing that indicates a scum read. Especially because Midget ignored 14, but understanding 20 as an actual scum read without addressing 14 is a big failure to make important connections.

[evilpacman18]

LeMidget clearly said that 20 says that Egg is not town
20 clearly does not say that Egg is not town

sounds like a lie to me.

[evilpacman18]

ABR just wants revenge for last game (where he was totally in the wrong, might I add). There's at least two scum on this fake ass wagon, probably in between LeMidget, bjc and Mr Glidder

[evilpacman18]

ABR should know I'm town just based on how I'm gunning out the gate the exact same way I was when I got him lynched a while ago. Trust me he knows he's shooting for a mislynch just because it's on me. Nikanor's probably scum too, wouldn't be surprised if the whole scum team(s) is on me

[evilpacman18]

Mmmm. Nah Nikanor's not scum. Absolutely Mr Glidder though. No question

[evilpacman18]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=32269

[evilpacman18]

ok ok

I didn't want to have to claim this early but....

I'm a mason

[evilpacman18]

just kidding, VT lol

unvote, vote: Mr Glidder

[evilpacman18]

EPM and MG are obviously town here. I mean, EMP on what should be obvious. MG town slipped already to the point where I will tear down any wagon that forms on him if needed.

@ABR/bjc - Where did EPM softclaim VT?

LLAMA <3

[evilpacman18]

did you read the link I posted to the relevant game?

or my signature?

like I said, he's out for revenge, he doesn't give a fuck if I'm town or not, notice how his read on me changed from good policy lynch to scum read at the tip of a hat

[evilpacman18]

also

unvote

resetting
why the Quill vote catboi?

[evilpacman18]

Going back and looking at what happened, I think this game will end up not being hard to win with how everyone reacted being so revealing.

First of all:
I still agree with my assessment that LeMidget is scum. I remember in an early scum game I had, I was literally caught on my first post, an RVS post, I don't even remember what was wrong with it but it and my subsequent reaction to it made me get lynched accurately really early on. It's actually to this day why I never participate in RVS, regardless of my alignment.
I feel like I'm on the other end of that read now. I certainly wasn't the only one who didn't like LeMidget's opening post, but after I failed to explain why I didn't like 26 with more than just using the word "appeal" which, admittedly, is a buzz word but is not without meaning and I think I cleared up how in 33. By then, Nikanor had already had what I'm reading as a town knee-jerk reaction to the buzz word, and I'm fine with that. HOWEVER, LeMidget had posted in between Nikanor's vote on me, meaning he had the chance to vote me if he really thought I was scum but didn't until someone else had first (even says it was cuz OMGUS).
Here's what I see from this: That time I got caught and quicklynched, what made me even more scummy after a bad opening post was that I turned vulnerable and started to ask "why me?" because I was inexperienced enough that even when people tried to explain it, I couldn't grasp what was making it so easy for them to read me. This is exactly what LeMidget did here, where instead of getting mad cuz we're wrong or something, he only says "all I did was..."
That's caught scum.
Is it a stretch to call that one point I brought up a lie? Maybe but I don't think so. It certainly reads like a misrep at least, and anyway, I got caught up with the same thing when I got ABR lynched in the game he hates me for so there's at least precedent in my town play for that.

My assessment of the votes on me

ABR: Has personal vendetta. Worth ignoring. Probably town
Nikanor: Already explained this... town
catboi: misguided but assuming 38 is true and he didn't see page 2, he's town just because he thought he was the first person to vote me (besides ABR).
LeMidget: self-professed OMGUS. needs rope
bjc: basically parroting catboi. probably scum trying to use the town's apparent willingness to throw votes as an attempt to get on mislynches with no consequences. Has no reason to be as antsy for a hammer as he is in 81 and 90.

dunno about the exchange between 82 and 85. It seems from those posts alone that they're proooobably not on the same team but idk.
Mr Glidder: scum for the same reasons as bjc really. They're probably not together and if I had to pick one I'd go with Mr Glidder. Dunno what town slip RD sees.
The Most Curious Thing: Town for holding off on the vote, and actually having his own reasons for thinking I'm scum.
XLAV: *shrug. null


oh lol that claim... ok LeMidget is probably town hahaha

vote: bjc

[evilpacman18]

feh, I wasted so much time writing the first half of that post, should've caught up first -_-

[evilpacman18]

unvote

I have to think about whether or not I'd rather lynch Mr Glidder

[evilpacman18]

I thought about it

vote: bjc

[evilpacman18]

vote: Mr Glidder

it's him and Rainbowdash

[evilpacman18]

Either way

vote: Rainbowdash

[evilpacman18]

I am literally panicking right now because

I'm a fucking VT

and it really looks like I'm gonna get lynched and that scares me. I'd like to survive past Day 1.

I'm glad we can abandon this sort of thing in the site meta as only coming from town. It was a nice try though.

[evilpacman18]

Case-wise, frankly I didn't really like RD from the second he came in, it seemed like he was trying to diffuse the wagon on me to get towncred if I did end up getting lynched. I figured I'd let it happen cuz I didn't wanna die anyway. The other thing is that the MG is obviously town claim sounded to me, since I was and am scum reading MG. The town slip is fake, I read every one of his posts like 5 times and don't see anything that could possibly resemble a town slip.
Also, failed to follow up on some of his questions in 134, (I think 2/4 didn't get answered), and the interaction (specifically LM's response is like formal... "There are my thoughts on the matter.") except with bjc who he set his targets on right away.... shoulda known he was town based on that but oh well, good came out of that lynch (and catboi is probably already town MVP).

ABR: I called it first, just saying. I guess you win for not being misguided by that AtE post (btw):

Appeals to emotion and inexperience too

yeah anyway I guess you win for seeing through that post and I'm glad you're town. I never thought you were a bad scum hunter anyway, just extremely self-important. This reminds me, I was gonna change my sig a couple days ago.

[evilpacman18]

for all the bloodthirsty fools who were tryna quicklynch me in like 5 pages. Let's end this game by page 20, that should sate everyone's bloodlust.

[evilpacman18]

unvote

Go

[evilpacman18]

Nikanor unvoted, Egg

[evilpacman18]

Vote: Zekrom25.

Allowing Zekrom to live is not really an option.

Egg: If you're going to complain about a lack of analysis, you should probably start working on one yourself.

[evilpacman18]

Hmmm.
20 pages is still plausible.

vote: Egg

Please claim who you plan to block tonight

[evilpacman18]

Please block Glidder, Egg isn't bussing

[evilpacman18]

Evil/Rainbowdash what if I were to tell you I could confirm myself without wasting a lynch?

Let's hear it then

[evilpacman18]

vote: Rainbowdash

Over thiiiiis

[evilpacman18]

I've forgotten who my scumbuddies are in the past.
The only way RD isn't scum is if they actually targeted catboi and the flavor implies that catboi died from his own role

[evilpacman18]

Please claim who you plan to block tonight

Why'd you want this?

It literally tells scum who NOT to send to do the kill.

Because if RD was telling the truth you'd be confirmed scum which means there'd be one scum left which mean if RD died tonight whoever he blocked would be confirmed town. Obviously.

Hmm you're actually right RD but that's confusing.

unvote[\b]
Thinking

[evilpacman18]

unvote

[evilpacman18]

vote: Mr Glidder

[evilpacman18]

I'm tempted to arrange a massclaim

[evilpacman18]

Scum not killing would confirm me as town because I actually submitted an action.

Give me a break. How is it even confirmed that you're a roleblocker?
evilpacman18 unvoting for this BS is crazy.

That line is BS but either way we don't know why there was no kill. If we can get a claim from a doc or something it'll confirm RD is lying but it'd be a risky gambit for him to claim he RB'd town knowingly. The other thing is we can basically confirm this by tomorrow so we should lynch Glidder and see what RD has to say if he survives the night.

[evilpacman18]

I want to give RD one more day at least, 453 does make sense. Lynch Glidder with me and ABR

[evilpacman18]

No.

[evilpacman18]

Got prodded
Am here
Post tomorrow
Might be down to just lynch RD

[evilpacman18]

true.
sorry my fault.

vote: Rainbowdash

[evilpacman18]

Nikanor is town, for sure. TMCT idk, been mostly ignoring him so he suppose he could easily be scum. But unfortunately ABR - and I really was enjoying working together yesterday - I realized my track revord of reading you wrong probably extends to reading you as town when you're scum... I might have to vote you soon.

[evilpacman18]

None of that explains why you RB'd town and there was still no scum kill N1. There's a protective role out there, and vig, IC, protection, and RB is super OP. So we should lynch you today.

ABR: No, I just can't trust myself to trust you.

[evilpacman18]

No. Absolutely no. And apart from game theory, I just have a scum read on you, RD. One I feel good about.

[evilpacman18]

I figured Nikanor was the doctor today, that's why I was back on the RD wagon.

[evilpacman18]

am*
because RD is scum. and Nikanor is town. Confirmed town, actually, because it is a mod-confirmed fact that catboi died to his own role. Which means a protection happened N1. And it wasn't by RD, whose plan to frame Egg backfired when he was also mod-confirmed.
This is really easy, please can we lynch RD. 20 pages was too much to ask I guess but I don't think 30 is.

[evilpacman18]

Yeah that's why Nik reacting to TCMT getting to L-1 was "ignore it"?

Nik who had to go back and find someone who he "saved" would come up with TMCT though.

Lynching Nik gives us what is essentially a forced win. Scum cant kill without setting up a second clear. That is why he claimed what he did. He knows this and he saw a tide turn. If he doesn't get me mislyched today he loses.

You don't not claim D2 when he already has what he thinks is a guilty result.

None of this matters. Or at least not nearly as much as the simplicity of there being a successful block of scum's NK N1 that we know had nothing to do with you. And you're full of shit (or more accurately: doing your best to keep your tower of lies from collapsing, which is admirable) if you try to say scum targeted cat, we absolutely have it mod confirmed that that's not the case. I literally don't care what you have to say about anything else because the light of truth was shone on you the instant picking Egg as your target backfired. The only reason I didn't rally to have you lynched yesterday was because I felt good about Glidder and the order didn't matter.

[evilpacman18]

You all wake up the next day to find two people dead on the floor with their

pea

shooters out! Only one of them is smoking, though; the other seems to have died immediately after they committed murder.

LeMidget,

Mafia Goon

, was beaned in the head Night 1.
catboi,

Weak Vigilante

, got their brains in a scramble Night 1.

how is this unclear?

[evilpacman18]

ABR please, you started this day off so well =\ don't fall prey to RD and give him ANOTHER day. Nik's play is totally consistent with his claim and knowing that TMCT is town and RD is scum.

[evilpacman18]

Quill is probably the other scum , I don't think ABR is scum. I feel like we'll be the final three if we lynch town today.

[evilpacman18]

TMCT is a terrible lynch because it's basically siding with RD's side of the story. If Nik is town then TCMT is confirmed town too. If it's really a 50/50 shot then we're still better off lynching RD because scum will have to pick from three confirmed town to shoot.

BY THE WAY TOWN ROLEBLOCKER MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WITH OTHER TOWN PRs, LIKE WHAT PR COULD SCUM POSSIBLY HAVE? THEY'RE PROBABLY ALL GOONS
Seriously though like consider what PRs scum usually get... Roleblocker is pretty much the only one but against a town setup that includes an IC and a weak vig (which if scum successfully roleblocks, is very likely to hurt them more than help them if that vig aimed for town) that's really pointless. Other potential scum PRs like Encryptor are normally passive and not affected by roleblocks.

I know setup spec is hard to stomach but there's SO MUCH (including the mod's confirmation that scum didn't kill N1, which indicates a protective role because saying maybe scum didn't kill N1 is just grasping so hard) stacked in favor of Nik on just a facts about the game level that we don't even have to consider which of them looks like scum and which doesn't. And Nik wins that battle too.

[evilpacman18]

Whichever one of you, ABR and Quill, is town please vote RD in your next post and we will make sure to lynch the other of you tomorrow

[evilpacman18]

ABR you're scum, I'm sorry but I was biking home thinking about how to convince either you or Quill and it hit me, you've been moving towards me and away from RD since the second you realized I had him pegged right and he was gonna die. I don't for a second believe that your scumread on him went poof because you don't like Nikanor's claim, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU WERE VOTING RD BEFORE THERE WAS ANY CLAIM. I'm gonna take RD down then I'm gonna take you down, whether Nikanor gets lynched today or not.

[evilpacman18]

PRAISE JESUS

[evilpacman18]

vote: ABR

[evilpacman18]

This was fun.
TMCT, I'm still convinced you're scum.

That fact that I was wrong on almost every player is a good meta sign that I'm indeed town
I was in devil's advocate mode for most of the game which looks awful (and is awful) when the rest of the town is actually hitting scum.

Anyway, good game all and I'll probably try a few more here, hopefully some as scum and/or a player with decent reads.

Also, hey, the mafia did kill catboi after all. Flavorgaming is bad.

Well shit, that was kind of dumb luck then.

[evilpacman18]

Thanks for playing my game!!! Would love to see comments on how I can improve my modding but otherwise you guys are the best.

Not lying about the NK would be good 0_o