Mini 424 - Game Over

[Barromán]

Hi! BAD NIGHT!!!! The cop is out.

So we can start to argue and randomvote each other...

Well, I'll be back on Monday!!!
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 269#564269

[Barromán]

I'm back!!!

Well, I have read all... and I think that the usefull reason of the randomvotes is that... they are random!!!!

So... if we do a Random vote but we don't vote those who have more votes... it's a bad thing!

So... because I have no more reasons to vote anyone... And that reason seems to me the best reason to "test" a player...

Vote: Elias

[Barromán]

Elias, you are just saying that Random votes are useless??
Well... but, why have you done a random vote if they're useless??

And why you don't answer this?

now, my first vote was my random vote. but when i saw that nothing was happening in this game, I switched it in order to get the game going again.

How much time passed? Your post was at 5:00 on a Friday Night. Then there was another post, then your post again at 10:00 on a Saturday Morning. Hardly enough to call a slow game. That's weak reasoning there.

[Barromán]

Well, I expected that Elias himself could answer my questions...
Javert, if Elias is an evil role, and if we defend him instead of himself, we can't discover him!!
In Spain, we call these people ' poor's lawyer '. (<-That's a joke!)

I wanted to know what Elias has to says for my questions...

If someone discover that I have done something "strange" (as

now, my first vote was my random vote. but when i saw that nothing was happening in this game, I switched it in order to get the game going again.

) and someone discover that was a mistake, I think that I have to explain.

I consider that a lie. So I think that is strange not answer it. Sorry if everyone see that suspicius... but if I think that someone is suspicius I atack him, AND ONLY HIM. I think that he doesn't need "poor's lawyers"!


P.s. "Poor's lawyer" is not an insult, and I don't mean to offend!

[Barromán]

@ Kilmentantor:

You say that I don't added so much to the game. I started the game, and I have to go away for three days. I'm from Spain so mi Clock is a bit different yours so it's more difficult to me to post at the same time that yours, so it's more difficult to me start a real argue. And more important what have you given to the game? I wanted to add something asking that questions, till Javert did the work to Elias.

@ Javert:

Uhm...

I'll try to answer the more schematic the better...

1) Poor lawyer is not the same that poor's lawyer, a lawyer who work to the people who can't pay a lawyer. It's as saying that you have defended someone who can defend himself.

2) I think that in this game the best way to catch a scum is asking him, trying to geting him nervious. So I was trying to ask "strange" questions

to Elias

to see how

Elias

could answer the questions.

3) Here I must add that, I'm spanish, so probably some of the things that you say I could understand them by other way... I understand from the declarations of Elias, that he says that random votes weren't very usefull... so I wanted to test him, and see what he have to says to the fact that he have randomly voted and he has criticised the random votes. From here come the first and the second question.

4) The third question comes from the fact that Elias (yes, the questions was TO ELIAS) the fact that Elias have said a LAY. He said that he saw the game dead, so he changed his random vote. But, that wasn't so much time from post to post... And I see some inconsitences here... From here come the third question.

5) If you see Javert, you are asking me at the same way I have asked Elias. And I could say that they are already answered. But I understand that those questions are a "test". So if I follow your your "reasoning in your vote", I must vote you, because that questions "were not intended to be inquisitive, but more intended to cast suspicion - which seems somewhat contrary to scumhunting, and hence somewhat scummy".

Of course I don't agree with that because I WANTED ELIAS TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS TO SEE HIS REACTION. Altought they were half answered in-thread, I wanted to see what he has to say. Especially to the third question. And I acuse you to ve a poor

's

lawyer because you have defended Elias without especial reason.

And If got another question, but this time to you. WHY HAVE YOU DEFENDED HIM? Why you didn't want him to answer that questions? Why did you answer those questions? And why didn't you let him to answers his own questions?

[Barromán]

And I acuse you to

v

e a poor

's

lawyer because you have defended Elias without especial reason.

And I acuse you to

b

e a poor

's

lawyer because you have defended Elias without especial reason.

P.s: Sorry!

[Barromán]

And I will point out again

TO ELIAS

:

3) Here I must add that, I'm spanish, so probably some of the things that you say I could understand them by other way... I understand from the declarations of Elias, that he says that random votes weren't very usefull... so I wanted to test him, and see what he have to says to the fact that he have randomly voted and he has criticised the random votes. From here come the first and the second question.

4) The third question comes from the fact that Elias (yes, the questions was TO ELIAS) the fact that Elias have said a LAY. He said that he saw the game dead, so he changed his random vote. But, that wasn't so much time from post to post... And I see some inconsitences here... From here come the third question.

For me, the fact of the "vote" it's the same to:

Random vote: Y

The game is dead, soy I'll change my vote

I think that the random vote is not very usefull

I WANT ELIAS TO ANSWER IT. Thanks

[Barromán]

Javert - I'm happy to see your "unvote". It seems that you really think the things. That's a good point.

Kilmentator -I thought that I had writen this before... But I see "strange" your vote to me. You vote me, because I have "not really added much to the game". I'd begun the game late, then I went away 3 days. I'm on another country and I usually post at other time... So for me is more difficult be "as active as you". You haven't added nothing, and you acuse me becauso "Barromán has not added much to the game"...

I will

unvote Elias

, and then I'll go to sleep. I will think really and re-read all the game, and will post my thoughts about each one player.

[Barromán]

Vote Kilmentantor

I've read all the game, and I don't like your way to play... And I don't see nobody scummier than you!

When you have found some pressure over you, you have left away... I don'tl like the reasons for your vote, but I like less the reasons for your unvote...

So, untill you show me that you are not "a bad guy" or untill I found another "bad guy"... you'll have my vote over you!

[Barromán]

Sorry,

Unvote KilmentaNtor, Vote Kilmentator

.

Poor KilmentaNtor...

[Barromán]

FOS:Barroman

for voting kilmentator, who appears to be town to me

i dont like that you would FOS someone just because they have different opinions about someone. if you were scum you could say the same thing about your scumbuddy and fos anyone who votes for him. it just seems like a dumb argument to me.

I think like you, Elias. I said some posts ago, that I'll vote ac1983fan or Kilmentator, who both seem scum to me. So:

Unvote: Kilmentator.
Vote: ac1983fan

.

[Barromán]

Ancagalon, that behaivour of ac1983fan is another reason to confirm my vote!

[Barromán]

unvote: vote kilmenator

And the reasons are...

[Barromán]

Well I said it before. It seems "strange" to me, that you and Kilmentator have been very "friends" all the game. When someone has attacked you, Kilmentantor voted him or attacked him, and backwards.

Another thing is that you two seem very hasty to lych, I don't know if I said it properly... You both dind't give real reasons to lycn anyone.

As we have a week to "think", I'll try this evening or tonight to read al the game and tell yu my opinion of the game.

[Barromán]

ac1983fan, for me, the friendship were on "defending" the other by voting. For instance when some have attacked one of you, the other has voted the attacker. Is that kind of friehdship what I mean.

[Barromán]

111 and 119. and all this time.

[Barromán]

I'll be out untill sunday!!!

[Barromán]

Any one say that he is lieing? I'm NOT the Doctor, so, I will believe him.

[Barromán]

I'm not so sure calling for counter-claims is a good idea. A couple of possibilities: we might have more than one doctor. If omg is scum, he might be trying to

draw

a counter-claim to point out the real doc.

As he said, he should be a prime kill target tonight if his claim is valid. If he doesn't die, we can discuss that tomorrow.

Well, I never had thought that... and seems wise to me, but I see a little problem...

Probably the mafia don't kill him to make us think that he is not the real doctor...

It's too risky what he have done... did he have real reasons to claim?

[Barromán]

omg, you are showing options, not reasons.

I want to now, if you are the real doctor, WHY you reveal your roll. You have 2 votes, and weren't the most voated. I think you were too early.

[Barromán]

I think that Javert is right.

And another thing to say; Kilmentantor and ac1983fan always look to me suspicius... and that lasts votes were suspicius... and the both voted him. Probably to look like they were inocent?

[Barromán]

Would still like responses from ac1983fan, kilmenator, and Barroman for [368]. Would also like response from ac1983fan for [380].

Sorry, sorry and SORRY.

Some days ago, I've got some personal problems that didn't let me be as active as I wanted. All these familiar problems seem to be better so I'll be more active from right now. Sorry again. Because of these, I didn't read a pair of pages, so I didn't read that post to me. I've just readed all thes new stuff and I'll answer you:

I think that ac1983fan could be a pro-town role... and now, re-reading your analisys, Javert, of the vote-wagon over Ancagalon... y see suspicius Elias.

At the begining I see suspicius him, I have this write down, and it's "curious" that if he voted Ancagalon at the begining now he didn't voted him...

[Barromán]

Don't be so hasty!!!

[Barromán]

Vote: Kilmentator

I don't understand what you have said...

Did you wanted to say, that you vote Ancagalon just because the deadline was near, and you want to lynch anyone, the one with more votes??????

And now... you have voted ac1983fan?? I think he said he was the role-blocker, dind't he?

[Barromán]

Vote:kilmentator

Before the mod says me that I wrote it bad...

[Barromán]

1.

I hope, all your reasons to vote me, aren't like this one. From the forums I come, people usually "acts" a little. So if I see a pro-town role death I'll be sad, and if I see a powerfull-pro-town role death I'll be more sad. And, obiously, I will do this, if I was PRO-TOWN or PRO-MAFIA. So THIS is not a reason to vote.

2.

Ok, I accept this. I seem to you pro-mafia for my questions. He seem to me pro-mafia for his answer or (better) non-answers in time.

3.

If I'm agree with something, I'll say it. If I'm not agree with something, I'll say it. What's the problem?

4. 4a

I believe that if the redline reaches, the one with more votes, get linch, don't he?

4b

I beg for your pardon, because my post 388, was like that because I didn't readed the last to pages. Obiously, if I see someone guilty, and we said that he is role-blocker, and nobody say "that's not true"... I will believe him, and I will change all my thoughts from this player.

4c.

That was a difference here. You must read (in order, of course) all this posts. 399, 400, 401, 403. In 403 was where I said "don't be hasty". At this moment Kil has 3 votes on him, and you didn't let him to speak.
Then Kil posted 411 & 412. In a difference of 2 minutes, something thant always look scumish for me, and he said two things that seem scumish for me.
So I wanted him to explain that and I voted him.

5.

Well, I have HEAVY reasons from out the game that didn't let me read the game. If you don't believe that I think that is better if the mod search a replacement, because if all your attack is based on mi absence, it's better if I'm out.


And now, if they are masons...

Unvote: kilmentator

.