Mini 1556: Greetings Without Spain (GAME OVER FAREWELL)

[evilpacman18]

Has anyone already asked for a deadline extension?

[evilpacman18]

That's counterintuitive

[evilpacman18]

Ok... I still have to read

[evilpacman18]

Mod: Can we get a deadline extension, please?

[evilpacman18]

^scum

reading now but glad to know I caught one

[evilpacman18]

Thoughts from pages skim:
First of all it's a bitch to follow the early game while keeping replacements in mind
I haven't gotten as far as what Xay claimed yet but I'm feeling nothing but scum vibes coming from him. For instance 55 and 57 where he has a stupid overreaction, votes someone who was town pretty clearly and then when it's cleared up in 57, doesn't unvote.
I skipped ahead to day 2
Well looks like I didn't replace into the best position. There's a lot of PoE going on ("Aisa is scum if x is town" and crap like that) that makes me really uncomfortable, probably because I deliberately ignored all Aisa's posts. None of them seem to be being explained though so hopefully we can just dismiss that.
481 is more Xay scumposting. Also I haven't seen a claim anywhere from him. Screw it

vote: Xayzeck

The main reason I guess is for egregious inconsistencies between voting activity and stated reads.

I can parlay with a pisskop lynch first if people think it's a good idea.
Rubicon and ICEninja and kthxbye all read town to me. Least certain is probably Ice.

I'll have to go read the last few pages before the hammer huh? Ok I'll get to that after submitting this post. My experience with pisskop is that he's low-hanging fruit, easy to lynch and plays in a way that makes you really want to do it but when I was scumreading him in recent game he ended up being town. Xayzeck on the other hand, (there seems to be a dichotomy dividing this such that either Xay or piss is scum but certainly not both) is weirdly (to me) not being scum read enough for the awful play. I think someone alluded to a claim he made but I can't find anything on that from skimming his iso and stuff.

oh 580 is very helpful, thank you.
oooooh Xay claimed VT. Ok.
So I'm caught up (for all intents and purposes) and happy with my vote.

[evilpacman18]

ah.

Yes I'm bringing up the fact I'm VT a lot because I don't want my ass lynched.

reminds me of...

I am literally panicking right now because

I'm a fucking VT

and it really looks like I'm gonna get lynched and that scares me. I'd like to survive past Day 1.

which...

LeMidget,

Mafia Goon

, was beaned in the head Night 1.

[evilpacman18]

mmmm I might be going back on my ICE ninja townread. His willingness to perpetuate the dichotomy I mentioned more than just about anyone else, combined with inconsistencies in reads and an attitude towards Xay that seems coachy (for examples of all this read his iso between 301), and an unwillingness to stay on Xay even though the pk wagon apparently took some convincing, are what changed my mind. In other words it's more of an associative thing.

[evilpacman18]

He forgot because he doesn't believe anything he says because he is scum

[evilpacman18]

Sup. Ehh, I think my buddying with RCs slot may bring him trouble tomorrow, because I will flip town, and I honestly think RCs play has been pretty town.

Btw I've been thinking of the "town can't have 3 wagons on town D1" thing and I've got a feeling it's true. Titus is town, and I've got a good feeling RC is town, and I'm town. When I do flip, I really hope you slow down the flash on RC a tad. I've been getting nothing but townvibes from him since he replaced in.

pac can you point out what reads ans votes I've made are inconsistent?

First of all even this post goes nowhere, if you're saying RC is town then you don't believe it is impossible to have those 3 wagons on town we had.
Anyway, about your inconsistencies,
in 55 you accuse d3x of something, he clears it up, but you don't unvote.
you were voting kthx but never gave any indication why you thought he was scum. your unvote happened with as little explanation as your vote
voting multiple times for pisskop, while saying you've been townreading pisskop

etc.

[evilpacman18]

Rubicon: have you read my posts since then?

[evilpacman18]

Okay, I'm not sure what I was thinking. Iceninja is definitely playing to his town meta. You just can't fake that level of flaily paranoia.

UNVOTE:

likewise, after another read of Xay's early game, I've started to see how his general play could potentially come from [misguided] town...
Enough to stop scumreading him? No. But enough to be fine with either him or RC dying first I suppose.

[evilpacman18]

Well while we're here, I'm not 100% sure that you hid right ICE...
I'm a doctor
I protected Equinox last night and I think he could have probably been targeted too. Honestly I was gonna come in and vote you but I believe your claim so I'm leaning towards Rubicon and RedCoyote being scum. We can probably confirm one more town tonight if we co-ordinate well and then the game will be pretty easy to win via PoE.

Btw the first night I didn't get a protect, apparently Aisa never sent one in.

[evilpacman18]

I know, ICENinja's claim means I need to re-evaluate

[evilpacman18]

meh it's been a long week, I was gonna post but I'm just gonna sleep and get back to you all tomorrow

[evilpacman18]

Meh I don't believe the commuter claim for a second, especially since RC could easily have come in, seen that there was a protective role, and put in a breadcrumb of an obscure and HARDLY PROTECTIVE role in case this situation occurred.
I claimed for a few reasons,
first, once ICE claimed and I believed it I saw that the pool of people to lynch could easily be narrowed down with the essentially 4 people cleared by mine and his combined claims. As far as I can tell, this game is unloseable at this point, even if I'm lynched.
second was that I didn't feel like wasting time pretending like I was gonna be today's lynch.
thirdly, I kinda just wanted to point out that my protect was probably right, not ICE's choice of who to hide behind. I had a townread on Equinox yesterday, top town read idk, I'm not really sure why people are clinging so much to those three stated town reads I called in one of my earliest posts, especially since my scumread on ICE later that day shoulda shown that my reads were still changing. Regardless, I have no duty to protect my top town read, especially when I sensed, probably correctly, that Equinox was a prime target.

Any other questions? As far as my reads, I'd probably wanna start by lynching Rubicon based on his reaction to my claim or RedCoyote based on him lying (he's claimed scum from my perspective, of course) but really it doesn't matter, since like I said, this game seems won.

[evilpacman18]

Spoiler: for my own benefit

confirmed town:
me, ICE, Equinox, N

Scum: RC, Rubicon

Left: fitz, Rhinox

806 is all dirty rhetoric, don't be fooled. For instance:

If you click on that second link, commuter is one of the standard protective roles that the Mod said he would choose from. This coupled with the fact that pacman is not playing as town at all tells me that pacman is lying either about his role, his alignment, or both.

"Coupled" here is essentially a slip from RC, because first of all they are not related facts, commuter being a standard protective role doesn't change how people should read me. The fact that he needs to qualify that his claim can fit certain criteria that the mod laid out is in indication that he isn't to be believed.

Look, guys, I think y'all are talking about the wrong things here. I do not think we should be lynching from fitz/Rubicon/Rhinox/Kthx. I think we should be lynching pacman. Not to toot my own horn, but I think I've laid out a pretty solid case against the man. ICE, Rubicon, and N all sounded at least a bit skeptical of pacman's claim, imo. That feeling in your gut is put there for a reason. That's your instinct telling you that something's not right.

And this is just bullshit.

My decision to protect Equinox was based on me trying to put myself in scum's shoes and being like who would I kill? And I figured I would kill Equinox, so I protected him. I don't think it matters, let alone makes me less town, that I hadn't said anything about Equinox yesterday. In fact if I was scum, I'd probably try harder to be internally consistent with my previous posts.

There's one scum in Rhinox, kthxbye, and fitz. People think it's fitz, that's fine with me, I think kthxbye is town for sure, Rhinox, shrug. We can lynch fitz. I'll probably die tonight, that'll clear RC for a lynch. Then Rubicon for the game. Easy. You guys and all your speculating, so paranoid. That's town of you I guess.

[evilpacman18]

oh shoot I was gonna clear out that spoiler before posting :/

[evilpacman18]

fine I'll do work, don't lynch me before I post

[evilpacman18]

Well look I'll get to the point and double back with the details. The scum team is idk, Rubicon, and RC. It's really pretty obvious if you look at the associative tells but I know a lot of people don't do that and I have the advantage of knowing my role. I probably have seemed bored with the game today, I certainly haven't been trying hard, the scum, Rubicon in particular, are hopping on that acting like it's scummy but really I think if you just look at my posts from my perspective, where the scumhunting is done and we just need to get on with the lynches and end this, I think it makes a lot more sense. Certainly I'd try harder as scum. I'll start with idk.

Spoiler: why idk is scum

887 is truly the only relevant post but in it. Notice for instance how his excuse for voting isn't so much related to me as it is related to not wanting to vote for RC. He sees my claim seems fake and my play is bad after admitting that he has only read day 3 and small parts of day 1 ("as far as I know, he didn't have any reason to claim" well you know very little, don't you?) and "it seems forced" is bullshit when talking about a claim that I really didn't need to do so early. "Forced" would be if I was on the verge of getting lynched, but I claimed on my own time, as my own decision. Actually reading that sentence "seemed very forced" and "he didn't have any reason to claim" are not only both lies but also directly contradictory to one another.
Like I said earlier, I was fine with a fitz lynch. This was mostly because I know who I think is town and if they thought fitz needed rope over the other uncertains, like Rhinox, I was fine with trusting them. idk has since come in, immediately aligned himself with RC, and come up with some really weak reasons to be voting me. Given his position when he replaced in, where he was about to be lynched, it seems like too much of a coincidence too, that he came in, didn't try to read anyone but me, and voted me. The vote comes off as more of a best bet at survival than a scum read he legitimately has.

More in a few hours, that actually took a long time to write. Anything I should address besides cases? Maybe I should try to better explain why me claiming was a good idea.

[evilpacman18]

I'm glad I called at least one scum correctly this game.

?

[evilpacman18]

ICE, no need to give up, Equniox has stated leaning toward idk, especially since hopefully it's apparent now that I wasn't "stalling" (come on man, you're busy too, obviously, how are you not more understanding?) and N can come back too, because you're right that's a lame reason for a vote.
Anyway getting to the other two now.


pre-edit: AW YOU MOTHERFUCKER

[evilpacman18]

well that time discrepancy is pretty embarrassing. Basically I was sitting in the reply window for like 45 minutes.
Anyway yes I actually am a doctor.
I trust you guys will kill idk and RC no problem, just don't let Rubicon talk you out of killing him too and we've still got the game easy.

[evilpacman18]

hmmmm good point. Actually it might be game over already.

[evilpacman18]

yeah it is, the only way town can win is if scum shoot for ICE, and they're obviously not stupid. There will inevitably be two kills on one night and town will lose. Soooo good job killing me for no reason.

[evilpacman18]

ICE do everyone a favor and hide behind scum so this travesty can just end.

[evilpacman18]

that was unfair really, I think the point of normal games is so town can just play without having to think about weird possibilities like that. My read on ICE was headed in the right direction until his claim which by most normal game standards would have been necessarily true.