Mini 1569: The Golden Cookie Heist! -End-

[geraintm]

Helo all.
6

[geraintm]

vote bjc

6th person to post after I did

[geraintm]

Good morrow all!
891354072

We could be waiting a long time then for your vote

[geraintm]

Ok, going to be really stupid here.
Why is there a hydra thing in the game. What is the point of them?
Don't they really confuse things because others can't get a proper handle on their posting style, to the detriment of the game?
This is my first game with one you see.

[geraintm]

I have nothing to add. This game isn't going anywhere and I have no reason to move my vote

[geraintm]

I would like to comment more about bjc,but it would involve a game that Is still going on for my tiny reads on him. Him voting me for my random voting though, well just.... I thought I have had it all with my random voting method.

[geraintm]

@slain - I will go on record as sayingi think I am not very good day one, not getting good reads on people. I am very happy to not move my vote until I am more certain.
I certainly have seen nothing to make me want to move my vote. Not sure why that is anti town

[geraintm]

so much tldr so early in the game.

Apart from some posts by yourself hearbylightning, there had been nothing of. Importance in the game. In fact, post 51 just before I wrote saying I had seen nothing important in the game so far is the one I am quoting above.
I stand by what I said in my post, that there was nothing much happening In the game.

[geraintm]

Milked: you vote in RVS and then tell everyone else to jump on. No reasons, no case and as far as we can see it's based off if an RVS vote! ->leaning scum

You guys are idiots.

And your vote is worrisome. There's a discrepancy between your vote on geraintm and the list you provided. I feel that your reasons for finding HTL scummy are more genuine and more of a basis to vote someone than your geraintm reasons. Yet you vote geraintm.

Most solid vote in the game as of yet: VOTE: Slainte Mhath

Agree with this. Mostly because I thought his case against me was stretched from nothing.

[geraintm]

Let us turn our attention to 70. Gerain is basically giving an excuse for why he's not contributing to the game. He's saying, "you need to keep me around another day because I'll be good tomorrow." Because of this attitude he refuses to contribute to the thread. We can't possibly believe that this attitude could come from town. A townie would give as much as he can to town and actively want to get killed. This means that scum is convinced that they are conftown.

When I said nothing was going on, there was nothing going on. Really, there wasn't.
I am very slow to move votes, there had been nothing for me to even consider yet moving mine.

The other part was me admitting that I don't think I am am brilliant at day 1s. Might just have low confidence though. This game is only my 4th since coming back to the site after a very long break.

I will contribute when I see something worth saying.
Right now I am finding people's posts....aggressive. I don't know why people are but feels a lot of unnecessary hostility. I have no interest in joining that.

[geraintm]

I won't be voting for vonflare (Kerry) today btw

[geraintm]

Why not?

On the lack of anything better than I don't think a brand new player would flake from their first ever game if they were a scum

[geraintm]

Why are you voting Slainte?

Ger - why haven't you moved your vote? Are you going to contend that the sixth post after yours is scum?
Vonflare - assuming you just failed to read what was implied by "that's the towniest post I've ever seen," where should your vote be? Who do you find scummy so far?

We need more activity.

You've been in a game with me before, you saw I don't move my votes much. I never said my first vote was on scum, it was very clearly a random vote and it still is. I'll move it when I see fit, no sooner

[geraintm]

Answer what

Are you going to be difficult all game long?

Why are you voting Slainte?

Ger - why haven't you moved your vote? Are you going to contend that the sixth post after yours is scum?
Vonflare - assuming you just failed to read what was implied by "that's the towniest post I've ever seen," where should your vote be? Who do you find scummy so far?

We need more activity.

You've been in a game with me before, you saw I don't move my votes much. I never said my first vote was on scum, it was very clearly a random vote and it still is. I'll move it when I see fit, no sooner

So you've not seen any scummy actions so far? I mean, if your vote is nothing more than a random vote, then you obviously haven't seen a single thing that would count as scummy. I think that's bullshit. You're either not paying attention at all, or you're just being... Unhelpful.

Day one, I mostly pay attention to where the votes go. Too easy to try and make out someone is being crap from the tiny things they are saying, so I don't try too hard (unless it is super obvious).
So, as not many wagons formed, see no reason to move my vote

[geraintm]

Why not?

On the lack of anything better than I don't think a brand new player would flake from their first ever game if they were a scum

In case I wasn't clear earlier, this is broken logic. I can think of two counterexamples that I've played in. There are a lot of reasons to flake, and most of them aren't alignment dependent.

rd.

It isn't greats logic, but I am very unlikely to see enough today for me to go past this prejudice. I am sure there are tons of counter examples, but meh....

[geraintm]

@Pim
I only use meta if I've played with a person before. I don't do meta research. I guess it's useful sometimes.

Usually I'm active as VT, but since the game hasn't really progressed I don't got a reason to post. Yes, I could try to enter discussions but what's the point in doing that when I don't have anything to say? It would only be spamming.

About an active game as town, Uh. I might have some but that's not necessary on this site.

Why would you claim VT for no reason? Really dislike this post.
?

Really like this. Feels like the best thing posted in the game so far

[geraintm]

Day one, I mostly pay attention to where the votes go. Too easy to try and make out someone is being crap from the tiny things they are saying, so I don't try too hard (unless it is super obvious).
So, as not many wagons formed, see no reason to move my vote

Why though?

Is it because you don't want to be exposed? You say, "as not many wagons formed," yet there are still wagons. So why didn't you hop on any of them?

Exposed how?
There are no wagons in this game so far, no one has come at all close to being lynched. And you are asking me to randomly jump on a wagon just to expose myself?
So confused what you want from me.

[geraintm]

Kush are you scum?

You can be honest with me.

Going to do my best to catch up with the game now. Except many posts now in a row.

Object to bjc calling me out for not playing when he is posting utterly useless posts like this. This is why people glaze over

[geraintm]

thoughts and observations: These are just that. Me thinking out loud. It's probably obvious to you guys because you've been playing this game for 10 days. So it probably reads like crap - still you should all be used to that because:
1. There's lots of crap in here
2. I've

read

it all but it's going to take me a while to get my head round it
3. Some lurkers who need to post a lot more - my slot being one
4. playing/posting style affecting people's reads too much - prime example being bjc. If you don't like his posting style he must be scum etc.
5. bjc posts

a lot more

than anybody else - but his posts haven't necessarily contained the most content
6. hlt posts a lot of analysis - I haven't got my head round this yet but there's a gut feeling of distraction.
7. I like gin
8. I don't think I like hydras - this is my first one and I am confused
9. Most common reasons why people replace out: RL issues, boredom. Most common reason for boredom = VT role.

Spoiler: For what it's worth, some first pass reads

These are primarily gut reads. I mostly can't put my finger on specifics. I doubt there have been any obvious scumslips.

bjc - leaning town - scum hunting
HearTheL - leaning town - scum hunting
Pim - leaning town - scum hunting
geraintm - leaning scum - not scum hunting. Making excuses for not scum hunting. Maybe he isn't very good day 1.
Slandaar - leaning town - scum hunting
Slainte M - leaning over (from too much gin) - null/leaning scum
SiX - hmm - not at all sure. null town.
Sthar8 - leaning town - scum hunting
My Milked Eek - null/leaning town
Elyse - null - need more content
Vonflare - null - need more content
kushm4sta - null - need more content

the fact that I'm only properly leaning scum on one player worries me. That's 2 more scum not posting enough. puts kushm4sta in the frame...

I am surprised that there haven't been any real wagons in this game - pushing someone to L-1 or at least L-2 might be a good idea.
If we don't do that until the last 24 hours there won't be time to jump off and build a new one if necessary.
I'd like to build one but the 2 players at L-4 are both town reads to me.

VOTE: geraintm

You are right, I am bad at scum hunting day 1. I tend to look at voting patterns, and there isn't a lot of that day one.
Like that you agree with me about reasons for early flaking though.

[geraintm]

vote: Geraintm

Can you clarify what you mean when you talk about HtL and a "gut feeling of distraction?"

Because you handed him a town read. How I interpret that is you giving a town read to someone you're iffy on.

Distraction? Not sure what I have said about lightning. Can you direct me to what I said?

[geraintm]

For the record; My read on Bjc has lately began to change. I consider his recent posts with rapid votes more town like.
Still on hold though, just not worth the rope.

UNVOTE:

Hmmm, I dislike people who move their votes all the time. It doesn't help me spot bad votes, creates too much noise. I much prefer slower games when it comes to votes. So I get the opposite view on bjc than you do.

[geraintm]

Ger doesn't really interest me at this point. I find him more lazy than scummy but I don't have any problem with votes on him.

I am not that lazy. I don't think I have gone longer than 48 hours without posting, I just haven't had vast amounts to say so far.

[geraintm]

That was for Wolfy.

Oh, that really wasn't very clear when I read it.

[geraintm]

Kush are you scum?

You can be honest with me.

yeah i am lol

This actually looks pretty scummy.

I was once scum, and my partner responded in a similar way to a similar question.

hmmm...

VOTE: kushmasta

and also, gaminglemon, this is not a queue.

I actually agree with this. I was just in a game where a scum got accused of being scum (by one of his buddies actually) and his response was similar. Like a nervous release of energy, people think they can make a joke and then latter on think how clever they were.

VOTE: kushmastaVOTE:

[geraintm]

Yeah, kushmasta's posts just look bad.post 244 is terrible

[geraintm]

9. Most common reasons why people replace out: RL issues, boredom. Most common reason for boredom = VT role.

This is lazy thinking. Everything else appears solid.

My thought on ger is that it serves no scum end to be overtly and demonstrably anti-town on day 1. And if it were a scum play somehow, I'd expect a justification that's more than "idk because."

How are you reconciling the misdirection from HTL with a town read?

Lurking, Yes I openly admit I lurk. And so what? Lurking isn't necessarily scum.

You are awful.

I want to vote kush and six, but my role only gives me one vote. Can I borrow one?

for now:

VOTE: kush

I am not sure why I am being so anti-town. I am pretty sure in my last game I said the same thing about my day 1 abilities and I did not get the same reaction.

Wednesdays are really bad days for me btw. I draft magic on Wednesdays so I can not post except perhaps a small amount from phone

[geraintm]

9. Most common reasons why people replace out: RL issues, boredom. Most common reason for boredom = VT role.

This is lazy thinking. Everything else appears solid.

Is it? I presume you mean the boredom bit?
I will try and be not lazy and trawl though some completed games for stats to back this up. Maybe it doesn't happen like this here - we will see.
Anyways - it's not a huge issue - just a potential slight indicator.

Hmm - I've now done a quick trawl through some completed minis (15) (ones where the mod made it easy in post 1) and while not conclusive (sample too small) it appears I was talking crap
The flake percentage is 33% overall. It's 34% for townies and 31% for scum - not significant (especially given the even smaller sample of scum)
I could go on trawling but I won't - I know when I'm wrong.

I retract point 9. I now don't think town is more likely to replace out than scum (at least not in Minis on this site )

That is interesting. I made assumptions and seems to not be the case. I shall bare that in. Mind for the future

[geraintm]

And, BTW, he disappears every time he drops one of those garbage votes. So yeah, it's the best for today.

As far as I can see, vonflare has voted three time, once on you, then a switch to kush (for a reason I can sort of agree with on day one), and then back to you. I cannot blame them for voting for you twice.
I don't know enough about the disappearing part, are they hiding in this game whilst posting elsewhere? That would be hiding, otherwise just feels like normal posting to me.

[geraintm]

Will catch up later tonight.

[geraintm]

damn i was hoping he would flip scum then id be confirmed town.

so can anyone give me a summary of the game so far so i dont have to read everything?

Why would you economies town? I don't follow that at all.
This game doesn't have much content. You shouldn't be asking for summaries. Again.

I still hate you from yesterday with the whole "yeah I'm scum thing"
I see you contributing nothing. Post 448 is doing nothing.
I think as I go through my read through I am likely to place my vote back on you.

[geraintm]

It kind of pisses me off that SiX died, it totally ruins the joke I was going to make at daystart

"With 11 alive, it takes SiX to lynch..."

fuck it, it wasn't that good a joke anyways.

-Beli

It also means that we have a vig with a brain.

Six, it's nothing personal. But faking power to get a lynch is so catastrophically damaging to the town and so foolishly arrogant that it becomes correct play to policy lynch or kill anyone who would even consider it. It's gonna take some time and effort on your part to outgrow that reputation.

I miss this. Is this referring to another game on site?

[geraintm]

I'm still here and I'm all for kushmaster's request for a synopsis

Yeah! I think I also would like a summary of the game it would be really useful.

Anyways; I have a very strong feeling Elyse is scum, it is hard to explain why but basically she was activeish but not really active on D1 and not really lurkerish enough to be called out on it. She has positioned herself to not take heat from being a lurker but also isn't being productive; Her posting has been uninspired. And she was posting on ms yesterday but did not grace us with her presence.

VOTE: Elyse

I found her much more active and useful than many others here (including myself). The attack over her one post elsewhere on the site is really pushing it.
Dislike this vote. I can see you shifting it quickly to another wagon when one forms

[geraintm]

Never mind, I went back and iso'd you. You're town.

This is lazy. Like, a scum could just post this, buddy upto a townie, make themselves look good all with zero effort on their part. Would like some of your thinking about why you are giving them a pass

[geraintm]

@Pim
I just finished a game with SiX where he fakeclaimed doc as a VT to try to get me (town jailkeeper) lynched simply because he convinced himself I was scum. I literally cannot read him because he's reckless regardless of alignment apparently. My PL request on page 1 wasn't a complete joke.

Thank you. I was looking through his posts and didn't see anything.
My worst experience was lynch or lose, 3 vs 2 and a townie claimed a guilty cop verdict on me because he was sure I was scum.
The other townie came into the game, posted that they were cop with a guilty verdict and the first townie had a chance of withdrawing their vote but didn't....

[geraintm]

vote kush master

Am happy the vote going back there for now

[geraintm]

damn i was hoping he would flip scum then id be confirmed town.

so can anyone give me a summary of the game so far so i dont have to read everything?

Why would you economies town? I don't follow that at all.
This game doesn't have much content. You shouldn't be asking for summaries. Again.
/quote]

reading 20 pages of mafia is hard.
what does it mean "economies town"

Why would you be confirmed town. Sorry, I think I missed a space and it autocorrected

[geraintm]

I found her much more active and useful than many others here (including myself).

That is kinda the point. Do you think scum are more likely to be the most anti-town they can be or will they post enough to look active and useful but not really be doing anything?

I can see you shifting it quickly to another wagon when one forms

I like my vote very much, thank you for your baseless accusation though.

We shall see. Unless someone is a cop, all accusations are baseless

[geraintm]

Bjc, can you explain exactly what you've done productive so far today?

[geraintm]

She's really not

From what I can tell she has made about 5 posts.

?

This literally describes your day 1 play to a tee. I was productive on Day 1. Day 2? Not so much, but my life has been crazy busy and I haven't had time to myself for MS for an extended period of time until today.

I watched decided who I wanted to lynch and got them lynched that is being productive even if the outcome wasn't good.

Is if you are scum...

[geraintm]

We shall see. Unless someone is a cop, all accusations are baseless

Uh no. If this were true you may as well roll a dice to decide who is lynched each day.

I meant baseless as in without certainty.

[geraintm]

I don't think kush has posted since I voted them. I see zero reason to move my vote

[geraintm]

Phone posting so quotes are too much of a pain in the ass and I'm not gonna do it.

The head that posted the cogdis question was me. There's cogdis between "vig SiX for trying to look like a PR" and "maybe I'm softing my kill"

My main scumread remains ger, I'm paranoid as fuck about sthar8 after being spanked like a bitch in two Antihero games, but I'm letting mine other head control our vote until I have something better to go on.

-gin

Then why aren't you voting for me? And whyme? You had in post 467 said elk was the most scummy, since then you've made no comment about me until just saying I am now the most scummy?

[geraintm]

The heads are not in agreement regarding who to vote for today. I feel that both ger and milked are not producing content. Theyre both making posts but if you read them and ISO them you realize they are fluff. I agree with bjc that ger needs to provide more content, especially after nearly being lynched yesterday. We're giving you another day to prove to us that you're town, ger, and so far you're doing jack shit to change our d1 read on you. The reason I'm leaving the vote on milked is because I'd like to get more posting from them. Yes, ger's posts are fluff but at least he's posting a lot. Milked needs to make more posts.

-baezu

What do you want from me?
I have voted kush, but they have disappeared from the game. I don't move my vote unless I see a good reason to move it, and I haven't yet seen anything spooky enough to make me want to move it.
So, I am sitting here and the person who I think is most likely to be scum isn't, so I can't be all over their posts, or changing my mind if they improve. I feel like in limbo. Like, my post 497. Kush hasn't come back to answer, so what am I to do?
Another person I have called out and said I didn't like their posts was elk in my 478. Again, they've disappeared.

[geraintm]

unvote

How does everyone feel about SM? There just isn't enough discussion. Someone needs to get fucked up.

Not going to PL anyone, sorry. Maybe Ger, but that's it and it wouldn't be too much of a PL I think.

Finding it hard to deal with them. If they were but one head, I would likely have voted for them for they way they have accused me out of nowhere. But as they are two I have to give them the benefit of the doubt about their posts. Not something g I like about them

[geraintm]

##vote slainte mharth
you got my vote girl

You are zero use.
Vote stays

[geraintm]

i legit want to kill that guy, for reasons i already said. maybe read my filter you can learn something.

It doesn't matter if your opinions on the one guy haven't changed, there are way more people in the game than just them and you need to comment on them too. Having being absent from the game for so long, you can't just come back and go "nothing has changed, my vote hasn't moved"

Scum could easily do what you have done and it needs calling out on.

[geraintm]

i legit want to kill that guy, for reasons i already said. maybe read my filter you can learn something.

##vote slainte mharth
you got my vote girl

You are zero use.
Vote stays

This post... JC

I agree with kushmasta

JC?

I stress, kush can have a legit reason for their vote, but they have to actually back it up with content. If they are town, they need to provide more text for us to go on. Right not they just look like scum skating along.

[geraintm]

oh shit is that the rule?? so if i read prod range one more time i get replaced?

i would like to know the exact degree to which i can legally afk from this game.

This is terrible. You are boasting on finding the limits you can not pay attention to this game?
If you are In too many games where you cannot give them all a fair attention, back off.

But yeah, if you are town you are being unhelpful at the least, and I think you are scum trying to pass by with as little content as possible so no one can get a handle on you to actually find reasons to vote for you.

[geraintm]

Rereading elyse's ISO we actually get a town feel. She wants to talk to people when they're on and has been asking questions in the right way, not like bjc. I also agree with her vote on us. We have been lackluster. We've had individual things going on and have not been able to do a thorough read thru until today. At this point things are clearing up for us and we can focus more on this game

First @wake - are you going to do a post like that on everyone

On élysé, I would rather they stay around than go. At least their posts make it easier late game to get a better read on scum/town. They are the person right now I think I am least likely to vote for.

[geraintm]

Rereading elyse's ISO we actually get a town feel. She wants to talk to people when they're on and has been asking questions in the right way, not like bjc. I also agree with her vote on us. We have been lackluster. We've had individual things going on and have not been able to do a thorough read thru until today. At this point things are clearing up for us and we can focus more on this game

i legit want to kill that guy, for reasons i already said. maybe read my filter you can learn something.

It doesn't matter if your opinions on the one guy haven't changed, there are way more people in the game than just them and you need to comment on them too.

Having being absent from the game for so long, you can't just come back and go "nothing has changed, my vote hasn't moved"

Scum could easily do what you have done and it needs calling out on.

HEY POT MEET KETTLE

I said Monday that I have 2 people I most dislike in this game and I am finding it hard to interact because they are both majorly absent.
One came in with a one line post, the other has been replaced. This means it has still been hard for me to interact with this game.

I am looking forward to the replacements posts. I suspect through increased levels of activity they will go down my list of suspects. Just the way things go, but at least there will be content from the person.

I like how mainly others dislike kush in this game for similar reasons to me

[geraintm]

Three solid town reads for me - all beginning with S.
Problem is the 3 of them and me are all voting for a different person and we're 36 hours from deadline.

I was hoping for a lot more from wake88 - we need a lot more in the next 36 hours.
I just can't make my mind up about ger and kush.

Wake, I'm informed by reliable sources that you're much more tolerable than you used to be. Prove them right, please.

is wake living up to your expectations?

Alrighty, I got some free time and I actually feel compelled to do something here. Gimme some time to read up and compile my thoughts.

I am expecting great things...

I am confused what it is about me that you don't like?
Am I being inconsistent? Are my posts scummy? Do you think I am not posting enough or without enough content?
The last you might want to argue on, but compared to others I a regular chatterbox...

[geraintm]

I'll start with bjc:

At first we thought he was town because we noticed his play was similar to his play in other games where he was town but now were starting to think he was emulating his town playstyle as scum. In post 82 you said elyse was being a fucktard. Why did she do that made you feel that way or was it arbitrary? We didn't like your interaction with six at all. It seems like you were buddying him hard. Then you made posts 162 and 163. Vonflare is scum then no he's not. What?! This seems like scum just trying to WIFOM. In post 197 he says his scum play is bad. Again a super scummy thing to say. In 206 he's buddying us. Seems like he's trying to form an associative tell. Post 410 he really wants the hammer to come down and then as soon as the next day starts, he's back on elyse. But by post 552 he now trusts elyse and goes with who she's voting.

Basically bjc is letting more and more of his scum shine through the more the game progresses. He's trying to set up something with every player to cover his own ass when he flips scum and his entire play reeks of scum scum scum. My phone is dying and I can't ISO anyone else atm so for now I'll put my vote here until I find a reason to move it.

VOTE: bjc

so people are buying this as genuine?

I highly doubt it. Others will come in and call bullshit, but Elyse might let personal distaste get in the way and join while the opportunity is there.

Or I could be wrong and I could be lynched in a bit, but that would require our player list to be filled with incompetent fools (and really, I don't think that's what we have).

But yeah, that is quite the crock of shit.

VOTE: kushm4sta

For being anti-Town.

This is also pretty shitty.

Fixed for formatting issue.

Why is a vote for kush bad?

Right now so close to deadline, I cannot see a wagon forming on anyone but kush. Think pretty universally agreed they are contributing nothing to the game, and no one else has been noticeably scummy.
Kush isn't defending themselves at all. Does anyone think, even if kush is town, we will be better off lynching someone else today?

[geraintm]

I feel lynching kush right would give the remaining players a ton of info depending on the flip. Much, much more than us all running to a different target today where the only info we would get is someone pressuring us into a target not wanted by most people.
I may well be wrong about this, just the way I feel.

[geraintm]

Of the people who voted for Von yesterday we have

Kush
Slander
Bjc
Élysé
Sthar
Six - died night one
Hear the lightning

Rest are still in the game
We have kush and bjc
Bjc trying very hard to not lynch kush.
If kush flips town, I would then tend to believe bjc was scum. I would then read bjc's play today as strongly trying to set themselves up as "I told you kush was innocent, therefore I must be town"

Élysé, said previously I have them down as the person I have as looking most town today
Rest, I couldn't really give any strong opinions on if their previous voting yesterday is likely to make them less or more scum. We didn't get any info overnight about alignments or anything, not very helpful. I don't remember yesterday anyone being strongly against voting Von, so I don't think we got any help from the flip either.

That is how I read the votes from yesterday and the fallout from the flip.

[geraintm]

I realise now I am suffering from the problem that because one person is posting so much, my thoughts are taken up by them. Others are getting away with lying low because of this.

[geraintm]

Ok, hello all. Will catch up tonight as I am just off to work.
Advance warning. I am off to gp manchester this weekend (magic, I hope you all know somewhat what that is) and my access from Friday morning till Sunday night is going to be very little

[geraintm]

I'd like to take a moment to say I told you so.
I'd also like to take a moment and say that I was completely wrong on SM, so good job on that.
I'll be posting my night comments tomorrow.

What did you tell us?
All you said was lynching kush was good because he was lurking and shouldn't be left alive at the end of the game. You never said you thought they were scum

[geraintm]

Well, this changes things.

There's probably either a Serial Killer or a Town Vig in play.

Before Slainte's death, I was going to vote

bjc

, because I found it odd how he had fought so hard to keep

kushm4sta

alive. And then point my finger of suspicion at

Slainte Maithe

, and to a lesser extent

geraintm

. Now with

Slainte

dead, I don't know how reasonable it is to still vote for

bjc

.

Also, we were fortunate with

kush

. I believed he was very anti-Town, but didn't have a decent Scumread on him. As for setup speculation, I get the feeling there's one more Mafioso in play, and either an SK or a Vig. I don't think there'd be two Mafia teams in a 13-player game on MS, but that could be gravely wrong.

I am assuming serial killer. I cannot see a vig getting a shot both nights.
Can someone tell me if it is likely in a game of this size if a 3 person team of mafia and a serial killer is considered balanced? Or is it likely to have been a 2 person mafia team with a serial killer?

Right now, bjc is just plain old weird to me, I'll get onto that more in a few posts time.

[geraintm]

vote: Ger

when does everyone want to claim?

Oh,it was only one post time.

What is this vote bjc?
Seriously, what is it?
Why are you voting for me?

Do you consider me scum?

Because, right now,to me, I believe there should be no one in the village who thinks I am scum (if people think I am a serial killer, that is a different matter).

I voted for kush post 320. That old scum jokingly outing themselves as scum thing kush did back in 291.
And from that point on, I don't believe I voted anyone else. I didn't stop being on kush the rest of the game till he was dead. He never, ever did anything to make himself look not scummy to me.
If someone wants to argue that I was bussing him from way, way back then, then I would like to have that argument. But to me, I don't see how anyone can think I was a partner with kush.

Soooooo, bjc, why are you voting me?

[geraintm]

I think last night serial killer went with shooting the last vote on the wagon, hoping to catch a reluctant scum joining in. Or maybe. Just wanted to clear the game of a hydra.
Reading the slainthe post 599 on their reads of everyone and their vote post 584.
They didn't seem to want to lynch their partner kush, but knew they had to be the end of the game. The way they said they wanted to lynch wake over kush means I don't think wake is the other scum (but could be sk).

They were also trying to lynch me and voted bjc earlier in the day, others might want to take that on board. Does make me think it is less likely bjc is the last scum though, though I still think bjc is behaving badly today.

[geraintm]

Hey Ger:

I just want to say that it's not too fucking hard to vote park on your worthless scum one-shot roleblocker buddy (Kush). I mean kush didn't do shit! So why not vote park on him? Worst that could happen is he gets lynched...

If you are arguing that I set out from day 1 to get my scum partner kush lynched, and my interactions with slainthe were coordinated, then please do.
Does anyone else in the village think I am scum?

[geraintm]

I pretty much have me, Slandaar, Wake, and sthar as town. I'd like to have HtL as town, but my town read sthar has some hangups with him (or past hangups that need clarification). So HtL sort of leans town..

Initially I wasn't a fan of Wake's play. Wake had a pretty poor entry if you ask me and replaced a player I wasn't sure on. I considered shooting Wake last night, but ultimately stayed with my initial target in favor of a #YOLO-type shot. Seeing MME's posts early in the game I'm leaning town there.

Elyse has been away for a while.. She disappeared as D2 lingered on. Not a fan of her play because she wrongly accused me of being scum for some rather shitty reasons, and never really recovered from that in my eyes. However, her being scum doesn't really gel with how I feel about Ger and the SM flip.

That leaves us with Ger. I guess one of my town reads could be scum, but I also guess we'll get them when the time comes. Ger went through D1 saying "I suck D1, let me live to tomorrow and I will analyze teh vote counts," and hasn't delivered until forced (at which point it's pretty poor anal-sis). So really, Ger is a policy-lynch at worst and a game-winning lynch at best. I'm not really satisfied with saying "okay let's lynch him now and move on then," but he probably will get lynched today pending what others bring to the table.

Anyone want to share their reads/information soon? I'm bored right now.

Ok, so you have me down as a terrible player. By your logic, I am terrible because:

I am scum who tried to get his partner killed from day 1, and once a wagon formed on them didn't try with their other partner skip to a different wagon

Or I am town who is terrible at analysing the game, but somehow managed to spot scum on day one and didn't get distracted by anything else in the game?

Those are your two descriptions of me , right?

I would really like others to chime in with their thoughts on me, I do not want today to be bashing heads with bjc all day long.

[geraintm]

Anyone want to share their reads/information soon? I'm bored right now.

Also I'm at work so not right now. Plus doing a full reread for wagon flow. Plus V/LA.

First blush, I'm OK with the slaan wagon. I need to reexamine, but HTL is the top of my todo list.

Also good job suppressing your urges in favor of protown shots. You're playing the role as it was meant to be played. Jolly good form.

WITHOUT CLAIMING how does everybody feel about a massclaim? I think we might be breakable now, unless the game is verrry power-light.

What is this post?
Am I understanding this right?
You come out and congratulate bjc on their well aimed vigs, and you know their role?
Bjc hadn't come out and claimed any shooting ability had they at this point???

[geraintm]

READS LIST
slainte mhath - scum
ger - scum
kush - town

Do you think kush would list both his scum buddies as scum in his last post cause I don't

This is a good post that I agree with
Kush clearly was having too much fun as scum, leaking info if you looked for it.

[geraintm]

yes, he had claimed already.

Where? I apologise for me stupidness.

[geraintm]

unvote

Shouldn't lynch Ger today because I can just shoot the dude tonight.

I am fine with this.
Me going will not impact the town at all besides losing one townie, and I would rather you shoot me than fire it where it has a greater chance of doing more damage.

[geraintm]

: D

Is this the claiming?

[geraintm]

Ok, that Eskimo joe post just confused me, and sorry I missed then the reference to wake. Wake wasn't a name I associated with being shot so I again just missed it.
Sorry.
Ok, some posts make a lot more sense now.
Sorry for being dumb.

[geraintm]

I can only log in on my phone. It signs me out automatically on my laptop.

I am the opposite. I was unable to log on whilst away over the weekend

[geraintm]

Well sthar continues to be exactly as rude as usual. On a completely out of game note it is perfectly respectable for someone to want to sub out after a five day interim where they are unable to view the thread. It's a huge momentum killer. Sorry about the inconvenience, wake.

That being said, I am pretty okay with letting the MME slot stay alive, so it is not a huge burden on my conscience at the moment.
Sthar's continued attitude concerning OOG content is only proving to be that this demeanor is just how he is, so my read on him is continually shifting townward.
I'll accept the claim that happened today, there's been no CC and the shots do seem to line up with his play style.
Ger's terrible D1 play is still really unconvincing, and he has changed his play around, but because of his D1 activity, I feel that all of his new founded pseudo-productive work has been just to simply beat back people's suspicions that arose during D1.
The other point to consider concerning him however is that I still kind of doubt that kush would put both his buddies on his list. I am only slightly bothered by this fact because kush seemed like a very lazy player and may have just put the entire scum team in his reads for funsies. A suppose the finality is that I'm open to a Ger push but I certainly feel that we should get ourselves together again about actual game content before we start wagoning.

Ger- I want to know who you think is our number one lynch. Also, you handing out who you think should die in the night would be cool as well.

Do people not remember me voting for kush? I know kush put me in his scum list, but I did do my best to get him lynched from way before I was merely hopping onto a wagon.

I'll get back to the lynch thing later

[geraintm]

Hey MME find last scum plx

It's not you, not me.

I don't think it's slandaar, sthar or htl.

I'm ok with lynching elyse-ger.


It's a bit vague at this moment, it's been +-three weeks and I mostly remember how I felt about people and at the moment I don't have any actual reason for those reads.

From what I can remember, the interesting part of Slainte flipping scum was the discrepancy in their early game vote. They voted ger and not htl, while I found that their htl read was stronger. I think they might have voted a scumpartner there. I'll check their iso (and ger's) in a few hours.

Please don't lynch me, I really am not scum.
But I am fine with being shot tonight, as I think that would not cost the town anything.

Since the start of day 2, have I not been ok, have I not been pretty townie in my actions and votes?
Do people really think that I am scum, where I lynched my partner and both my partners have tried to implicate me?

[geraintm]

Vote parking =/= attempting to lynch. plus kush was so detrimental to your team it wasn't that bad of an idea to just try getting him killed.

My vote on him and keeping it there throughout the game is how I play. Go check my previous games (I think you were in my most recent one).
I really feel without me keeping pressure on kush, he wouldn't have got voted off in the end.
And you can go back through my previous games and find where I am scum and I despair when my partners through other scum under the bus. It is not my style at all.

[geraintm]

My thoughts on the players.

Bjc - almost certainly town. But could be a serial killer. I don't think so, there was no reason a sk would out themselves.
But I would not be happy if they were allowed to get to the end of the game for this risk, I think bjc would need to be lynches at the latest possible point

HTl - post 648 where he picks kush over me, combined with his desire to not see a mass claim makes me think they are town.

Slandaar - his top scummy people yesterday were kush and slainthe.
Either very good at finding scum, or putting his partners at the top of his list to distance themselves.

Sthar8 - has called for a mass claim. Someone cleverer than me needs to say the implications of this, but to me I can't imagine a scum calling for this, you can only hide as vt for a while as scum before you have to be killed.

My milk elk - meh, I just don't know. Maybe meta reasons to vote this post

Élysé - well, thinks I am town so I like that
Post 493 picked out 2/3 scum in their scum team. Like slandaar, pretty good at finding scum.

Overall, I won't vote for bjc.
Think HTl is town

No idea about my milked elk, but could vote because I can see a despondent scum dropping from the game.
Think sthar8 is town too.

So would think scum is someone from elyse/slandaar or the my milked elk

[geraintm]

Very quick
@ hear the lightning - was the line about outing yourself about having a role aimed at me?
If so, I really need to get better at this game

[geraintm]

Slandaar - his top scummy people yesterday were kush and slainthe.
Either very good at finding scum, or putting his partners at the top of his list to distance themselves.

I don't know how you missed Elyse from my list. To be honest I exaggerated the kush read to get him lynched so my reads haven't been great, but, thanks.

It was between Slainte and Kush yesterday when I realised deadline was so soon. Not hesitating just thinking about which is better before pushing the lynch through turns out it didn't really matter but meh. Go vote elsewhere, thank you.

Well, that is how. I missed it. You didn't mention élysé.

[geraintm]

This being said I'm at a point where the scum is 80% within Ger/Elyse/MME/Slandaar. Sthar is sounded more and more town with each progressive post, and if bjc is scum (This would require a secondarily NK mechanic that is either also mafia, or hasn't outed itself, but if that is the case then GG) then we lost.

).

There are only 7 players left in the game
If you exclude yourself, then any 4 players is going to have a ridiculously high % chance of including scum. This was an incredible pointless post.
Waiting on his response to my quick question this morning though

[geraintm]

Sorry, I thought you were referring to the me as I was the previous postee.

[geraintm]

It was between Slainte and Kush yesterday when I realised deadline was so soon. Not hesitating just thinking about which is better before pushing the lynch through turns out it didn't really matter but meh. Go vote elsewhere, thank you.

Well, that is how. I missed it. You didn't mention élysé.

You appear to have removed my quote from it's rightful context.

I extracted a part of 694 I admit, but nowhere in 694 did you mention élysé. What have I done to cast aspirations on your honour by quoting out on context?

[geraintm]

That isn't a reads list and I think that it pretty clear.

It shows a very lazy read on me.

I was going back from your most recent posts, and I read post 694 which said what you thought about the previous day. Your previous mention of élysé was some comments directed to them in post 506. You did not mention at any point between 11th May and 21st may élysé.
I believe I am perfectly fair in trying you did not make élysé one of your scum targets yesterday and I did not misrepresent you and I did not do a lazy read on you.

[geraintm]

Do people not remember me voting for kush? I know kush put me in his scum list, but I did do my best to get him lynched from way before I was merely hopping onto a wagon.

I'll get back to the lynch thing later

Your vote for kush meant as much as my vote for kush. Also, you trying to act as if your vote on kush was "doing your best to get him lynched" is a bit of a stretch of that concept.

My thoughts on the players.

That's actually just a summary. Could you retry posting your thoughts? I'd also like to know your meta reason to vote me. I'm interested as to what kind of reason you're going to make up.

At this point, I'd rather have us lynch ger.

VOTE: geraintm

It wasn't just a simple vote on kush.
Go read my post 611.
If I was scum, give me a reason why I would post that so close to deadline I see no one but kush, my partner, is going to get lynched. Go read my previous games.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5845565

Here, my post 2985. I was scum and my review of the game is me complaining about nacho bussing the third scum for no reason, under no pressure. Which is exactly what people seem to think I have done in this game.

Oddly, bjc was also in that game and should really know me better.

[geraintm]

Do people not remember me voting for kush? I know kush put me in his scum list, but I did do my best to get him lynched from way before I was merely hopping onto a wagon.

I'll get back to the lynch thing later

Your vote for kush meant as much as my vote for kush. Also, you trying to act as if your vote on kush was "doing your best to get him lynched" is a bit of a stretch of that concept.

My thoughts on the players.

That's actually just a summary. Could you retry posting your thoughts? I'd also like to know your meta reason to vote me. I'm interested as to what kind of reason you're going to make up.

At this point, I'd rather have us lynch ger.

VOTE: geraintm

Meta reason to vote for your slot

Having just had 2 scum go down in quick succession, I can see the last scum getting dispirited and wanting to leave the game. That is why I could make a meta case for voting your slot.

[geraintm]

Bjc, you think it is likely he'll be town, but you are happy to lynch him.

What is your plan tomorrow when both me and HTL turn up town.

I want all of you who are happy to lynch HTl and then let bjc shoot me explain to me exactly what you are going to do tomorrow when you are down two townies.

Also, as I am effectively at L-1 because of bjc's stated intent to shoot me, I am claiming too.
I am vanilla town.

[geraintm]

I like that sthar has a plan for tomorrow. It is what I asked when HTl got so close to being lynched.

vote slandaar

[geraintm]

That ended quickly.
Dunno what to say. Think everyone hated my posts for most of the game, but I ended up surviving, I didn't get any townie's incorrectly lynched and I was voting for scum in both day 2 and 3 (and I had intended to be voting kush on day 1 too). That can't be too bad, can it?

Bjc was by far the MVP.
I thought at one point élysé had got an innocent verdict on me, they were so adamant I was town as everyone else around me seemed to think I was scum.