Mini 1596: Minimence I Game Over!!!

[kushm4sta]

I have experienced elyse a couple times.

I have experienced Slaardar once I think. Don't remember too well but I wasn't paying much attention that game. I do remember that he was unpleasant.

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^
It's a joke, you'll get used to him by the end of the thread

...hopefully

Why are you putting words in his mouth and defending him?

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VOTE: boonskies

I would have rather lit my hair on fire than read that first post again

what was so bad about it?

also i have avatars disabled. so rabii go ahead and keep yoru avatar off, I dont mind.

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UNVOTE: Riabi; VOTE: kushm4sta

What a strange comment to make toward Riabi. It reads like coaching to me.

Also, kush, if you have avatars disabled, why do you have one?

Also also, I like you avatar even though I don't quite know what's going on, lol.

how does it read like coaching? I think of coaching as like helping someone play the game. Telling him to keep avatars off was a slightly antagonistic statement, so I don't see how it is relating it to coaching.

Also, kush, if you have avatars disabled, why do you have one?

Probably because people yelled at me to put one on. I don't even remember what it is though.

[kushm4sta]

I meant antagonistic towards you guys not towards him.

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joker, slandaar
i dont understand what's interesting/strange about it. Seems pretty run of the mill so far.

[kushm4sta]

Hi acryon. I think you are misrepresenting Espressojet's issue with RedCoyote. I'm not sure if it's intentional or just a result of misunderstanding him.

Did you think RedCoyote was right about how it looked like I was coaching Riabi?

[kushm4sta]

I completely agree with acryon's posts. How is he being scummy at all?

What do you agree with exactly?

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elyse, you agree with this post apparently.

Not much to say at this point, except that I don't really love Espressojet's comments thusfar. The earlier the better for scumhunting as far as I'm concerned. You questioning RedCoyote starting something early makes no sense to me. At the very least, starting something early will

lead

to discussion that gets us to the threshold you speak of.

But do you agree with me that acryon is misrepresenting Espressojet's reasoning here?
Espressojet was suspicious of RC because he thought RC calling my comment potential coaching was a "stretch."
Acryon is saying Espressojet was suspicious because RC was

starting something too early

. It seems to me Espressojet would have been suspicious of RC's comment at any point in the game because he didn't agree with it.
Kind of confusing but do you see what I'm getting at?

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Wow. In all honesty I completely misread elyse's post

my bad

how did you misread it? cause i kind of agreed with your misread.

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acryon, a disproportionately large part of your filter is filled with RVS theory and lecturing.

The earlier the better for scumhunting as far as I'm concerned. [. . .] At the very least, starting something early will

lead

to discussion that gets us to the threshold you speak of.

I think a perfect way of getting discussion going on day 1 is by making accusations based on

something

, even if that something is off-base, because it at least gets people to react.

Regardless of your vote for me, do you have reasons for any of these reads other than for Elyse, because reads are useless without them. Reads with reasons actually benefit town, those without, not so much.

It is

day one.

Chances are nobody is going to "actually [do] something scummy" on day one. Today is about working off of small reads and pursuing reactions; these are the places where we might actually find something scummy, but that won't happen if we squash attempts at doing so.

Why do you feel like you need to teach us about the game?
Expand on your READ of espresso. Do you think his opinion about RC about starting something too early is scummy or just wrong?

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never played with bob before but he seems like the kind of player where asking him for reasons is like asking a fish to walk.

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ah i gots some catching up to do tonight

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VOTE: Candice
why you got a girls name, bro?

I haven't read the more recent pages close, but this post from candice is just so scummy.

Yeah, that was a fluke, RC. I could've done better with that and should've. I won't be posting distracted again, sorry. Let me try again.

EspressoJet's posts about RC's stretch really did bother me. Yes it was a stretch to say that suggesting that Riabi get an avatar was coaching, but

it was bloody page one

. Post 28...

The threshold is where someone ACTUALLY does something scummy

Really, really rubs me the wrong way. Again, it's day one, and this was page 2. We start with random votes and knowing nothing at all about each other. The conversation's got to start somewhere and town's got to get scum talking so that they can be tripped up and discovered. Posts 23/25/28 really feel to me like squelching conversation.


Hiplop's posts 54/57 make me go, "Huh?" He misread the post he voted Elyse for but didn't unvote her? And I still want him to give an example of what's wrong with acryon's posts. I mean, I don't need an analysis, that'd just be silly at this point, but just an example would be nice.


Kush... in post 44, he defends EspressoJet by asking if RC was wrong about him coaching Riabi, but that's not what Espresso said. Espresso said that he was calling RC out for "starting something". Then, in post 60, he tries to call out acryon again for saying that EspressoJet was suspicious because Espresso said that he was suspicious because RC tried to start something too early. Well, yes, because that's literally what was said.

the whole post she is just echoing opinions other people have had, except for the part on me which is just a paraphrase of what I said but worded in a way to make it seem dumb.

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sorry man i didn't realize i did but it's hard not to cause your name is candice..

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^dem lectures

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yeah i must be high or something voting candice. I just read his case on hiplop and I found it very accurate and convincing. If he's scum she's one of the most impressive scum I've ever seen, which is possible I guess.

UNVOTE: candice

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^whoops i did it again sry candice

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Slandaar, correct me if I'm wrong, but you are suspicious of acryon for his lecturing comments.
Like this:

Reads with reasons actually benefit town, those without, not so much.

Do you have meta to back up that he does this as scum and doesn't do it as town?
Maybe he thinks he has to teach all us noobs how to play the game? Did you ever consider that?

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Originally you said this:

boonskiies - He's not given me any reason at all to even consider changing my vote right now. It's not the lack of post count that bothers me, it's the complete and total lack of anything resembling opinion or discussion in them that bothers me. Strong lean scum.

And now you are saying this:

MAN. JUST TRUST! I shall earn it. Just you wait, chicken bait. I get there, mang. I get there.

At this point, I don't really care whether he's scum or not. If he's not, he's essentially furthering their cause by is refusal to help out the town.

These two posts don't look consistent to me.
In the first you get a strong scum lean from his lack of substance. Nothing has changed, but all of a sudden you are regarding the lynch like a necessary plynch.

Also do you realize that going after a plynch, for someone with no substance, makes you look really scummy? Because it doesn't require real scumhunting, and the person you are going after could easily be lazy town.

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my last post was directed at

riabi

[kushm4sta]

What if I told you he acted like this every game? Does that affect your read of him?

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Do you have meta to back up that he does this as scum and doesn't do it as town?

I don't have any meta, no.

Maybe he thinks he has to teach all us noobs how to play the game? Did you ever consider that?

i was serious though. How can you be sure that him being lecturey is scummy? There is motivation for town to be lecturey.

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candice, does riabi not look like a newer scum player to you?

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dont you think hes scum

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what arguments has he done well with?

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Candice I find that townread on riabi convincing.

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prod dodge ill catch up later

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who should i look at?

[kushm4sta]

sorry i did commit myself to this game, and I will put in the time. I cannot do it right now but it should be in the next couple of hours.

[kushm4sta]

dude where is the vote count on this site?

[kushm4sta]

dude where is the vote count on this site?

Life. (Also I pretty sure there hasnt been much of a change from last count yesterday).

Ill VC when I get home in an hour or so

I was asking where you find it, not berating you for not doing it.
Just had to clear that up so I didn't seem rude. I don't want to seem rude when it's not on purpose.

What does "WKing" mean in this context:

Welcome reinoe. I have a question for you. While it hasn't been talked about much lately, there was a lot of suspicion on Joker before you replaced her. Do you have anything to say to that?

Thanks for the welcome. As to your question about Joker...

I don't really feel joker-scum. Which of his posts makes you think that?

Her ISO was a wasteland with a few shitty posts here and there about "looking at other people" and promising content that never came. Then she made a reads list with no scumreads and replaced out under pressure.

this is a completely accurate analysis of Joker's play but I have a strong town read on Joker based on the role PM I got when I replaced into the game.

I'd like to point out that Boonskiies ISO is

ALWAYS

filled with time wasting garbage whether town or scum.

So while Elyse' point is somewhat accurate, her selective applications makes that point moot as well.

The reason why I said "Elyse always votes me" is because it's simply a 100% accurate and true statement. Whether I'm town or scum, Elyse simply scumreads my playstyle. I predicted it.

The Acryon vote is a good vote.

I haven't checked boon's meta

VOTE: boon

I can vouch that Boonskiies plays up the "I'm a buffoon" persona.

Also this is a very different Slandaar than when I played with him before.


Hiplop is scum and not a subtle as Acryon. I'd be willing to lynch either.

I'd like you to point out a scum game of mine where I've had 'garbage' ISO's. I have only one completed scum game on this site, and it was a game I replaced into late, and got lynched within 3 pages. So I am unsure on where you think my scum ISO's are garbage. I'd like to know, please. Also, you can vouch that I play up the buffoon persona? I've played a few games with you, but I don't believe I was playing the buffoon person there, so again, where did you see this at? I was in a game with Elyse, Slandaar, and Reinoe all together; slandaar and elyse are playing drastically different, while Reinoe's playing similar.

I really don't like how you are pretending that you know my scum/town meta, when you really haven't seen either.


Now that Reinoe's caught my attention, I have looked at Joker's slot more. Joker hadn't really scum hunted at all, and when he had a mini scum slip, he questioned it and didn't understand. This could be something as if he doesn't see it as a slip, because he's looking at it through scum eyes. Also, small WK'ing of Acroyn early on.

FoS: Reinoe

[kushm4sta]

What does "WKing" mean in this context:

White-knighting I would guess

And that means?

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Joker hadn't really scum hunted at all, and when he had a mini scum slip, he questioned it and didn't understand. This could be something as if he doesn't see it as a slip, because he's looking at it through scum eyes.

Can anyone explain if this makes sense? Why would scum be less likely to understand their own scumslip?

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So is the argument for lynching boon a matter of plynch due to low activity? I think joker is a much better choice.

Right so my reads so far (as promised)
Espressojet..Seems to be very protown from what I can tell, Definitely trying to work out scum. Town
Candice..I rather like her responses to what she's been asked but also do think she's town
Hiplop..From what I can see in his posts he's only aimed at two people but both cases seem to be helpful
towards town even though one of them is me.I would say town
RedCoyote..Get a bad feeling from him as from the start there was the pointless thing over the avatar,Plus after
doesn't seem to be anything majorly helpful. 50/50
Elyse..Don't see anything that points her to scum, quite like her game play so far
Acryon..Do like half of what he's saying but after looking over what he's said is a bit half and half for me
Bicephalous Bob..Don't really have much to say on him. Null
Slandaar..Doesn't really say a lot most of it has no content but his last posts about acryon I do rather like..50/50

that's his only content...

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VOTE: joker443

Acryon do you think someone is more worthy of my vote?

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my bad about voting Joke, but reinoe hasn't done anything to look townie to me either.
I would lynch reinoe or slandaar.

I love how Espresso is trying to blame me for not scumhunting it's just hilarious.

VOTE: Espresso

Acryon/Espresso are buddies neither of them

do

anything. They both have shown they are constantly trying to guess where I was going with my questioning which they shouldn't need to do as town but it explains the continual refusal to answer questions; they don't know what I am asking the questions for so are scared to answer in case they trip up.

You can link them going back to where Acryon talks about Espresso's motivation for posting, Espresso never says anything about this but when he misreads my post jumps on it like it is a huge deal then cannot explain where I was wrong. Showing he isn't paying any attention to the game and just trolling through it.

Will probably post a proper case later on Espresso including meta which shows when he is town he actually does things.

This scumread is very defensive in nature, which I think is scummy. Scum will use a defense of themselves as a scumread of someone else, classic omgus. He says Espresso makes a big deal about a post he made, but he doesn't really go into any detail about why that's scummy or what Espresso was even saying.

And he is saying it's not his fault for scum hunting just because other people haven't either. Looks like he's trying to get out of doing something and using the page count as an excuse.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Slandaar

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i changed my vote to slaandar cause i read his filter

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look at that no-reasoning/omgus vote for me.
I'd rather lynch slandaar but reinoe is fine.

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@slandaar, defensiveness isn't scummy, but when your case on someone else is defensive of yourself, that is scummy.
I did misrep you quite a bit slandaar. I misread this I think?

In other words on page 16 with only a few days till deadline you have not done any scumhunting.

not sure.

anyway yeah
UNVOTE:
VOTE: reinoe

[kushm4sta]

there's a lot of complex thought in acryon's filter, which leads me to not want to lynch him, especially d1.

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Should we not lynch reinoe because of this nurse claim? I'm not familiar with roles in these vanilla games so I have no idea.

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acryon, a disproportionately large part of your filter is filled with RVS theory and lecturing.

The earlier the better for scumhunting as far as I'm concerned. [. . .] At the very least, starting something early will

lead

to discussion that gets us to the threshold you speak of.

I think a perfect way of getting discussion going on day 1 is by making accusations based on

something

, even if that something is off-base, because it at least gets people to react.

Regardless of your vote for me, do you have reasons for any of these reads other than for Elyse, because reads are useless without them. Reads with reasons actually benefit town, those without, not so much.

It is

day one.

Chances are nobody is going to "actually [do] something scummy" on day one. Today is about working off of small reads and pursuing reactions; these are the places where we might actually find something scummy, but that won't happen if we squash attempts at doing so.

Why do you feel like you need to teach us about the game?
Expand on your READ of espresso. Do you think his opinion about RC about starting something too early is scummy or just wrong?

^dem lectures

Slandaar, correct me if I'm wrong, but you are suspicious of acryon for his lecturing comments.
Like this:

Reads with reasons actually benefit town, those without, not so much.

Do you have meta to back up that he does this as scum and doesn't do it as town?
Maybe he thinks he has to teach all us noobs how to play the game? Did you ever consider that?

Do you have meta to back up that he does this as scum and doesn't do it as town?

I don't have any meta, no.

Maybe he thinks he has to teach all us noobs how to play the game? Did you ever consider that?

i was serious though. How can you be sure that him being lecturey is scummy? There is motivation for town to be lecturey.

Obviously there is something wrong with this posting. Combine this with the nonsense Kush just posted and we have a nice easy scumlynch D1.

VOTE: Kush

I wasn't scumreading him based off his lecturing. I was kind of suspicious about it, so I asked about it. When someone else scumread him because of his lecturing, that struck me as too extreme, because I could easily see him lecturing like that as town.

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I wasn't scumreading him based off his lecturing. I was kind of suspicious about it, so I asked about it. When someone else scumread him because of his lecturing, that struck me as too extreme, because I could easily see him lecturing like that as town.

This is scum.

As Slandaar pointed out (527), he start off accusing people of lecturing as a scummy thing, and now he's backing down and saying: "Oh yeah, just kidding. Actually lecturing makes them town. Or scum. Whatever makes me look better."

I never said "lecturing was scummy" or anything that meant that. It's just that I think lecturing is null, so when someone's filter contains a lot of that it concerns me.
And that last part lol. Lecturing is null. That is my stance and it always has been.

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The issue regarding the nurse claim is, will it be easier to confirm the claims validity later in the game? if so we should probably lynch someone else, right?

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darklight, it's pretty clear slandaar's vote is the omgus. In fact he omgused twice.
First he votes for espresso because espresso is suspicious of him.
then he votes for me because i'm suspicious of him.

It's possible that our cases misrepresented him. My misrepresentations were unintentional, possibly minor confirmation bias. But it's scummy that both of his votes have been the result of OMGUS.

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so you think he is gonna act that similarly in two scum games and not do it in town games?

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I have made 3 votes actually and no it's not scummy to omgus.

When you say possible you mean they definitely did. So don't try and play sly talk the truth. Unintentional maybe but they were huge, both of them, they show a complete lack of interest in the game and you are not paying attention jumping on anything you can without thinking.

[red]You are both scum it's not rocket science[/red]

.

This seems like he is way surer than he should be given the amount of evidence.

~~~
And to people trying to meta me from old games on this site, realize that I primarily play on other sites, and I have played many many games.

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I have made 3 votes actually and no it's not scummy to omgus.

When you say possible you mean they definitely did. So don't try and play sly talk the truth. Unintentional maybe but they were huge, both of them, they show a complete lack of interest in the game and you are not paying attention jumping on anything you can without thinking.

[red]You are both scum it's not rocket science[/red]

.

This seems like he is way surer than he should be given the amount of evidence.

don't people agree with me here about slandaar tho? seems ridiculous for him to actually be so sure of it.

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why he say that shit abotu elyse if he's scum thoguh

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he went and called like 4 people scum. If he somehow does flip town though, I believe Elyse should be lynched.

whys that

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what i said was:
if he's scum, why is he still writing shit about elyse?
That has nothing to do with elyse's alignment. I don't assume townies are correct just because they are about to die.

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UNVOTE:

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why exactly, reinoe? because her reads have been inconsistent?
you have to admit, nurse is one of the more fishier claims.

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ANYWAYS. I actually think him voting acyron over me is kinda weird? He says im scummier but votes acyron. I don't get it.

This is kind of a clever observation. I don't want to lynch him really.

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VOTE: slaandar

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dla why me? u agreed with me that slaandar was straight up omgusing.

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slandaar, this is what i meant by having defensive scumreads:

You can link them going back to where Acryon talks about Espresso's motivation for posting,

Espresso never says anything about this but when he misreads my post jumps on it like it is a huge deal then cannot explain where I was wrong.

Showing he isn't paying any attention to the game and just trolling through it.

Your only reason for scumreading people is because they make a "bad" case on you.

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slandaar i am not sure you are scum. I was trying to find someone to vote for and looked at your filter and thought it was scummy.

That point about you using the page count as an excuse to not do anything, not sure where I got that. I think I could have misread something, when you were making that accusation at someone else rather than talking about yourself, or maybe I just can't find what I was referring to in your filter. Honestly I haven't read your filter that close.

I don't want to argue with you, but I do want us to understand each other better. What specifically would you like me to talk about?

The crux of the reason I think you are scummy is the omgus. The only two people you have shown suspicion towards (I think) are people who have been suspicious of you. It's not hard to call a case bad. And it's not necessarily scummy for cases to be bad.

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-Love Kush, xoxoxoox

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i mean let's be real. It's gonna happen so lets just do it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: reinoe

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Kush: Your vote went from Slandaar to Reinoe to Slandaar before finally landing once again on Reinoe. Can you give an explanation for this bouncing back and forth?

Good question!
First I voted for Joker. When I learned joker wasn't in the game anymore, I moved my vote because I thought it was dumb to basically plynch someone who was being replaced. The primary reason I wanted to vote joker for was low content, and that problem was fixed by replacement.
So I moved to Slandaar. Not exactly sure why I moved back to reinoe. I think it was because I figured slandaar wasn't a realistic lynch since I was the only one voting for him. EoD was close to I wanted my vote on a realistic lynch. So back to reinoe.
Then I moved back to Slandaar. This time it was because of reinoe's claim. I was under the impression that it was a bad idea to lynch because the validity of that claim could be more accurately judged on a later day.
Finally I moved back to reinoe because that was obviously going to be the lynch so I just pulled the trigger. Also I didn't think it was a bad lynch cause nurse is a sketchy thing to claim.

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acryon, you asked me a question about my changing votes. I answered in DETAIL. Yet there was no response to my answer. I would like to know how it affected your read of me.

And now you are pressing Bob about some one liners I said that "seemed a little off to you." It feels like you are ignoring the forest for the trees.

##vote acryon

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acryon, my point is that i have a lot of content yet you are focusing on these one liners, saying they feel off, and giving me a scumread i think because of them. I don't know why you are basing your read on insignificant parts of my filters and your own feels based on nothing.

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why did you have to put everything in bold except for the part that sort of makes sense

why does it matter what parts he boldified?? is the better question

[kushm4sta]

this thread needs more memes!
but in all seriously I haven't done anything yet in this mafia day but i will.

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dat prod dodge

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how was i not prodded?

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candice help me get back into the game. whose filter should i read?

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HOW DARE YOU NOT PROD ME!

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I'm V/LA and only phone posting but I know being open about something scummy doesn't make it not scummy. You're acting like you made some revelation when I've literally said I'm having trouble reading hiplop. His play is scummy and sloppy and the only reason I'm hesitant is because I don't expect that kind of play from him. If you're going to go on a witchhunt and say we're scum together then ok fine but espresso will be waiting once you realize you're wrong.

OK

Hiplop and kush are mehhh scumreads because hiplop has had conflicting town/scum posts and seems too sloppy to be scum.

Your read on Hiplop.

He is a meh scumread because he had conflicting town/scum posts and seems too sloppy to be scum. (already doesn't make much sense as an explanation does it?)

calling out conflicting posts isn't scummy. It's actually more likely to come from town.

As we can see the conflicting posts you say is more likely from town, yet in your read imply otherwise.

The conclusion makes no sense based on what you have said.

this seems pretty dumb from slandaar

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sorry i misread that lol

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i thought the contradiction he was talking about was within that first quote. like, I thought he meant, why is he still scummy if he is too sloppy to be scum? and that slandaar was misrepping something obvious that elyse meant. but really he was pointing out a contradiction with an earlier quote.

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sorry my motivation is very low for reasons im sure none of you care about

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hold up slandaaar lemme filter dis bish

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her interactions with flipped scum make me think she's town.

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k ima vote hoplp.

I don't remember the content of Candace's early case on him, but I remember liking it.

Looking through his filter, it seems weird how Joker is "obvious scum," yet he votes boonskies.

I would MUCH prefer a renoie lynch. However, boonskies is making it very difficult to defend that position. He's not being helpful at all.

And he doesn't really say why boonskies merits a vote over obvious scum.

Also, I don't see how anyone could read Joker as obvious scum, since mostly she was just inactive.

VOTE: hiplop

I'm willing to change my mind if anyone offers a convincing defense.

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reinoe lol but now i realize he didn't flip scum...damn

[kushm4sta]

his troll scumclaim is fucking with my weed addled memory

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um candice, regarding my "scumslip"
why would scum forget that joker/reino was actually town??
whoever said "im either faking not remembering or im town" is right. I can see why you wouldn't townread me, cause I might be faking it, but I don't see how it's a scumslip in any way.

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it was a townslip imo

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less talking more voting imo
UNVOTE:
VOTE: elyse

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well that's not terribly convincing, candice

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VOTE: Boonskiies

Votes on me are shit.

maybe so but that doesn't make you town

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acryon nice niticking there.

why are you only peripherally involved? I feel like im more involved than you are, and im a pos.

[kushm4sta]

so you are gonna start getting involved after 1 more mislynch?

[kushm4sta]

fail

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aaand the game has devolved into mechanics discussion... awesome

[kushm4sta]

anyone want to give me the mechanics conclusions because i dont kknow about that shit

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vt

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so what are the claimed blue roles so far? jk/doctor/cop? that is massively op for a 13 person game. Usually it's 2 town prs right? unless they are 1 shot.
who claimed what

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but who claimed what

[kushm4sta]

dla whats wrong with claiming? isn't it lylo or something

[kushm4sta]

how is it not lylo after all our mislynches/

[kushm4sta]

things stilla thing?

[kushm4sta]

dunno why but whatevs

##unvote
##vote espressojet

[kushm4sta]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: espessojet

[kushm4sta]

fuuuuu