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Don't lynch a vegetarian! We taste bad!In post 26, Super Mario wrote:VOTE: Aneninen
Not liking Bacon seems suspicious. OuO
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Your answer is logical. This game starts out really slow; perhaps everyone's too cautious. A pity that you didn't manage to get too many reads, in spite of your efforts. Still, that meta-read was a town-vibe post for me.In post 75, BroodKingEXE wrote:
I usually don't do it for larger games, but it seems like the pace of this game might be slower. (...) I just want to get the conversation going by putting out some reads and actual information people can talk out. (...)In post 72, Chevre wrote:(...) Broodking, do you do this useful meta survey for every game? If not, why are you dioing it for this game among others?(The Quotes has been edited by me)
But you left out not only Reinoe but also the Misaka-hydra and Evilpacman and you changed the name order. I don't know whether it's singificant.-
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My vote was only a random vote. Boonskiies pointed out that as well.
Besides, his question whether anyone a read had seems to be newbish, not esentially scummy to me.-
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5 games!? Isn't that a bit too much? I don't think I could handle that many games but, it's possible that others are less busy than I am.In post 110, BroodKingEXE wrote: I see it very differently, so far Boon hasfinishedone game and that game was a newbie game. Right now he is 5 games including a newbie, pretty in over his head as you said.
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The question mark bouncing around my head is: if he is scum where is the help? His posts don't feel coached and their quality suggests confused townie more than scum. If you can explain why a scum buddy would let this wagon keep gaining traction, I'm all ears.
The second part is a very good question. That gave me an idea and I'm going to keep my eyes open.
@KonowaWhy exactly did you claim Miller? (1) Joke (2) Reaction test (3) Because you are one (4) Other...?
Because, I thought it was a joke. Especially since If I remembered that the Miller role is a hidden one.
But, having read the Wiki-page again, I realized that itisa common tactic to claim in the first post. (And, it's not esentially a hidden role.) if so, you might clarify this question for me. (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Miller)
I don't know whether it is a good tactic to ask this question but I have no experience with Millers. If you don't want to answer my question, at least give a theoretical post about Millers, please.-
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I regret to say,In post 127, Guyett wrote:Hello my Hungarian friend.
Why do you hate Bacon? This is worrisome as I hear only mafia and veggies hate bacon... Also I was in a place near our glorious mod recently and had magnificent Hungarian style salami.... please tell me you like that wonderful tasty meat
/me veggie (though fish is ok).
Now you can put your vote back on me ^_^-
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No problem, at least someone does something ^_^In post 203, Chevre wrote:Hi y'all. I like to do walls, and this post is likely to be one, so you're warned.
Yes, you're taking RVS jokes too seriously. Set 29, 125 and 133 against each other ^_^In post 203, Chevre wrote: Post 6: I'm curious to know startfromtheheart's motivation for posting completely random reads. To me, it seems like a way to creation "suspicion" when people would just be reacting to them out of emotion or fury, especially when they are so conspicuously broadcasted as random.
Post 29: I could be super reading into this but Aeneinen's "Don't lynch a vegetarian!" line feels desperately and inappropriately afraid of a lynch at that point in the game.
Post 36: don_johnson, what exactly makes a forced RVS vote suspicious? I would agree that Boonskiies vote could be considered forced, but I'm not making the link.
In the same paranoid vein as my feelings toward Post 29, I'm wary of Broodking's 44. I guess y'all may think I'm taking RVS jokes to serioiusly, but I feel like those early lines could hide subconscious nervousness on the part of scum.
44 is similar... maybe it would be a better question: why isn't he voting (and why hasn't he voted yet)?
36 is a null for me.
6 hmmm... most probably a reaction check.[/post] It was ignored, however, you posted an answer in 51. I think that was a joke as well, wasn't it? And yet you're trying to make reads out of jokes. Strange...FoSChevre
Oops! You've got a point.In post 205, reinoe wrote:
Sure did. Konowa is acting really scummy and Guyett's "scum would never claim miller because they might get policy lynched" while at the same time..."reinoe said we should policy lynch miller. he's totes scum!!!!!" indicates that it's time to test the miller claim.In post 203, Chevre wrote: Post 194: what? wait, did reinoe just 180 on his whole "conf town" for Konowa's miller claim?FoSReinoe too!
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Wait, what?!In post 208, reinoe wrote:
Well, I'm fine with lynching Konowa now too.In post 207, Guyett wrote:You're also setting up Konowa to be a lynch later in the game for *reasons*
NoNoNoNoNONONO!
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Erm... excuse me, girls and guys, I know I'm not a native speaker, but, isn't there a difference between "would" and "would have been"?In post 216, reinoe wrote:
The meta would be for Misaka network and Konowa. It's no longer necessary given Konowa's conduct.In post 215, Aneninen wrote:I've left this out. My other read on Reinoe is: what's the story about meta-analyzing a wagon containing 50% of random votes?-
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@AntiheroBecause the story about the jokes of the RVS posts is strange given that he has made an RVS joke himself. I want an answer for that. Because scums can perform distancing and bussing as well. But, first of all, because I think Reinoe is scummier, regardless of Chevre's vote.
OLOLOLOLOL, the best name ever I have been given ^_^
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I know I'm not a particularly experienced player but I don't think an early massclaim would be a good idea, regardless of having a Miller or not.
A townie should not lie about his role, I suppose. So, every townie claims their real role. Therefore the scums may have every data they need about the setup and the identities of the townies' roles while the townies can only have a rough estimation about the setup. Even worse, the scums can falseclaim many kind of roles that are hard to be confirmed (eg. Backup-X, Even-Night Jailkeeper) so as to confuse our setup reads. We may end up lynching our own power roles due to mistrust or serve them on a silver tray to get them nightkilled. In addition, a real turmoil would occour if we have eg. a Serial Killer out there as well...
Also, I don't see why we should test that Miller claim. As someone has already said, if that claim is true Konowa will be Nightkilled early. If not, he is going to get lynched after a couple of days because of the lack of a Nightkill. Fake-claiming a Miller has much more disadvantages than advantages.
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I've still had an issue on Chevre which I posted in 213 (check out part below the second quote). Though he posted another long analysis later he didn't give any explanation for my issue. (314).
...Whut?In post 345, evilpacman18 wrote:
noooope you're scumIn post 326, Antihero wrote:that's because half the playerlist hasn't even addressed it yet-
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In post 335, reinoe wrote:
No, people who play well are sometimes investigated by cops just to make sure they're not scum fooling everyone. Miller nullifies this.In post 334, Konowa wrote:
Any scum who plays well is going to get a "free pass". It's really hard to follow your thought process here if you are town. "Testing the miller claim" makes it seem as if you are policy lynching now. Is that the case?In post 333, reinoe wrote:If someone is scum, claims miller and just plays well then that scum has a free pass.[/b]
Yeah, it's part policy lynch. I said the safest thing to do is policy lynch the miller. But I also think you're scummy.(Quotes has been edited by me)
Konowa: I put a like on this sentence:Any scum who plays well is going to get a "free pass".In addition, I still don't think how claiming Miller could help the scums without hindering them more.
Reinoe: Yes, a Miller can fool a Cop but, there may be other roles which a Miller has nothing against. But, first of all, how exactly could a Miller avoid a Nightkill?
"Yeah, it's part policy lynch. I said the safest thing to do is policy lynch the miller. But I also think you're scummy."–I Super-loathe this logic!It means "It's not really a policy lynch because you're a scum but if you weren't, I still would like to lynch you." noNOnoNOnoNOnoNO, that's STILL a policy lynch no matter how you pack it in.-
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@Chevre: I pointed out something long ago, you gave no response, I pointed out it again, you gave a response. That's all, case dismissed.
@Don Johnson: I don't like your playstyle too. What's that "reading is overrated and check out my record and you'll see that I'm right" thing? (Note: The previous one was not a quote, that was only a paraphrase.) So far I have been thinking votes and actions are results of communication and reading.-
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WHUT?In post 422, Antihero wrote: does anyone else have a problem with me?
i'll replace out if so. let me know.
'Dis is a f---ing game and we're f---ing playing it. Why should anyone replace out?-
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@ChevreIt was asked before what the case was on you. Thatswhy I pointed out my original question, that's all.
By the way, I don't see the logic behind the posts you choose in your summaries. However, I think it's neither a town-tell nor a scum-tell. Just weird.
Evilpacman does no scumhunting and I definitely don't like that.-
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Please, stop. I mean everyone.
Attack the posts, not the players. We're getting nowhere by this.
And yes, I'm naive.
By the way, Don Johnson, I must make this clear: "I don't like one's style/a certain post/an idea/a wagon/a claim/etc." =/= that one is a scum. If you're in a doubt, check where my vote is. However, it's possible that you didn't mean me by that part of your post.-
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Sure, you can pick whatever you want. On the other hand it's strange that you haven't answered anything on that (fake?) DayVig shot, in 372. For example.In post 477, Chevre wrote: Post 434: Aneninen, I just pick whatever I feel needs responding to. Do you suggest something else? I ask seriously, because my education of how to play here has been rough even though I've been here many years.
...or it's possible that I didn't understand the whole dispute but I thought that Antihero's emotional posts were mere over-reactions. Besides, right now I'm alone on a vanity wagon. Wouldn't be easier for me to put EvilPacman on L–1 or join another wagon if I were a scum?In post 477, Chevre wrote: Posts 425, 438, and 470 from Aneninen; the emotion feels forced to me. Like he's scum and everyone around him is cracking and he's trying to insert himself into a mediator's position.
Frankly, you're trying to make something out of nothing.
About BoonSkiies:
I'm 100% agree with the quote above.In post 479, BroodKingEXE wrote: I'll agree that he hasn't done shit in this game, but it feels too much like a townie who is trying to stay with the game rather then a scum trying to lurk to victory.-
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And we've all forgotten Reinoe because of his V/LA. But he's going to be back soon.
However, I'm not against a Chevre or an Evilpacman wagon. The Boonskiies wagon, in my opinion is a pile of shyt, I've already posted about that.
In my opinion, eventalkingabout the theory of townblocks may alter the behavior of the townblocks. So, I'm absolutely against the topic. Talking about Pyschohistory to/with the people makes the Pyschohistry got false reads. And I'm an Asimov fan. ^_^-
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Before his V/LA started I had thought that he had been a scum. The lack of his posts doesn't change this, only his forthcoming posts can confirm or weaken this read.
However, mind my full post, please. I'm aware of the fact that there may be no Reinoe wagon at all. In this case I might join an Evilpacman or a Chevre wagon if we're running out of time. I'm not joining a Boonskiies wagon.
Of course – as always – new incoming pieces of information can and will change my vote.-
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Okay, Chevre, tell us something.
VOTE: Chevre
That's L–1 now and that's the main reason for my vote.
In post 583, Antihero wrote:i think the place we're most likely going to find scum is in:
[chevre, Aneninen, chaoslord54, BroodKingEXE]
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In post 625, Antihero wrote:
Aneninen - this one's been a secret scumread of mine that's been simmering most of the game. his signal:noise ratio is remarkably low and i think the noise generation is more likely to come from newbscum. he's done a good job of keeping in with the popular opinions and never seems to stick his neck out. the most recent reads list here also looks like a scum's reads list with opinions missing on some major slots (me, bert, chaos, boon).
Antihero, Bert, Chaos: basicly unsorted (though, the more I read Chaos the scummier he seems to be). These three are may be scum or town too; some things are fishy while others are townish. Boonskiies is town in my opinion, I've mentioned that before.
I was voting for Reinoe for a long time, even if when I was alone in that wagon. I joined the Chevre wagon because he seems to be scummy (though, not as scummy as Reinoe) and because I think there will be no Reinoe wagon today. So, I'm not "keeping in with the popular opinions. (Also, even if it's not direcly associated with scumhunting I made a post about my opinion that "making townblock theories is sucks". Noone shared my opinion, lol.)
The post you've linked here was more like a joke than a real post, so, it only lowers the signal:noise ration. In this point, you're right. You know, many times I'm reading the forum but I'm either unable to figure out a viable read on someone or I get a useful thought but it has already posted by someone else. Should I post "No idea", "No idea", "Yes, I agree", "Yes, I agree" all the time? I think not.
Of course, feel free to think that I'm a scum but, your arguments about me are not too good.
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Not null; unsorted. Your style is annoying but mostly because of your style I can't decide whether you're a scum or a town.
Observation? In this game? Oh come on, we're all observing each other, all the time! That's the backbone of Mafia.
And in my case, trolling around lololol!
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I need to sleep, I'm having a busy day tomorrow. Antihero, let's continue this talk tomorrow. Frankly, it started to get interesting.
Meanwhile Argentina won. Well, that's even easier for Germany! After 24 years the Nationalelf is winning, I daresay! ^_^
And yes, I know that my timing is incredibly scummy right now.-
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Good morning everyone! We all should have some quark and leek for breakfast and please, no bacon this time. ^_^
Broodking, 645: not Nightkilling Konowa is a well-known example of WIFOMpossibilities™ (URL here: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... ucts%C2%AE). I know it's only my intuition but consider this: if Konowa were scum he wouldn't have killed Reinoe, that would have been really dumb. Therefore, the scums Nightkilled Reinoe because they hope we're going to lynch Konowa next. So, I would suggest that we should ignore Konowa until we get new information on this topic.
Antihero: our conversation had been interrupted because the day ended. As far as I know I answered everything.
However, I have a question. Why did you unvote Chevre in 592? Because "you were not ready?" Hmmm... Originally you were the third one on that wagon. By that time it was pretty unsure that the wagon would reach L–1 later. Were you scared that your innocent-looking bussing could lead to a lynch? In 613 you mentioned that you would do a reads list and use the hammer but in your list (625) you wrote this:"Chevre - his last couple posts are the towniest he's been all game. he may flip scum but i doubt it."This is FoS at least!
By the way, the latter might be important:
@mod: you had left out Antihero's name in the final Vote Count of Day 1. (640). He was not voting at that time.
Startfromtheheart, eg. 647: good points about Chaoslord. I want to add something else here. His case against Reinoe was this: 580 which I found poor. (Basicly, it was a kind of paraphrasis of others' arguments.) However, he voted on Chevre later a situation in which he hadn't been forced to do so. The latter fact is townish for me while the others are scummy, including the soft-defense mentioned by BroodKing. All's put together,Chaoslord is still FoS.(Especially since Reinoe was voting for him and Nightkilling Reinoe, in my opinion, was about producing the WIFOM mentioned above.)
By the way, that Day1 starter randomization is funny but it's hardly an argument, pretty please.
I'd add a thirdFoS, EvilPacman. I thought during Day1 that he was scummy and he was not on the Chevre wagon. Okay, he was away but, arriving back one hour after the hammer well, it does have some probability but what if he was been here but didn't dare to defend Chevre (which might have looked scummy anyway)? I know, this read is a bit intuitional but it still exists.-
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Your post 662 might be okay, but the one I've quoted now appeared one minute after my previous post. ONE MINUTE! Don't try to convince anyone that one single f---ing minute was enough to (1) read my post, (2) get to the conclusion that "yeah, this can hang" and (3) make the post itself. That. Is. Simply. Not. Possible.-
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You simply make no sense. I've answered everything about myself. You've never detailed the case against Misaka. So, 663 literally equals nothing + nothing which is nothing.
@othersNo, I'm not defending Misaka. I've just simply wanted to point out that Antihero hasn't provided a viable case against them and cares the possibility of a Misaka+Aneninen team as a well-known fact. But that "fact" is based upon nothing.
Back to@Antihero, there is one more peculiar thing about that 1-minute theory. How the heck did you know that I'm here and about to post? The previous post from Startfromtheheart was at 7:17, my one was at 9:27. And you were online, nearby, etc. for thaaaat long hoping that I'm going to post something which you can get a so-called scumread on. No, I won't fall for that.
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What's the case?
This.
You started the day with 4 scumreads. They were merely names, no additional info:
In post 646, Antihero wrote:[epm/fakegod] + [anenien/broodking]
You went on with the following post. There were no arguments behind the statement. (Yes, you had posted your reasons on my scumread yesterday but I answered your posts.)
In post 651, Antihero wrote:i would guess fakegod/anenien
fakegod would have the balls to think he can still lynch me and anenien is still scummy for the reasons i said yesterday
Then you "happened to be on at that time", regardless of the fact that the forum had been quiet for more than 2 hours. You read my post, made a conclusion that it made sure your read and posted in ONE MINUTE.Seems legit.Not really. It's f---ing not legit.
For latecomers:check out the time of my post: 659 and his post: 660. Check out the lenght of my post and the contents of both posts as well.
Besides, you've been ignoring the lynch of Chevre (who was a scum) and the Nightkill in your arguments. As far as I've experienced so far, whenever a new day starts, townies tend to talk about the lynch, the nightkill, the Votes... Ignoring all these topics is scummy in itself.-
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Everyone who thinks voting on me is a good idea: Frankly, after THAT part thinking that I'm scum is so dumb as if all of you were living in the same country as me. (YES, that was a serious offense!) On a 1–10 scale the ignorance I'm experiencing towards my posts is approximately 37. Until it drops to at least 8, I refuse to take part in this conversation. At L–1 I'm going to claim but apart from that, for such a town I don't think any kind of communication is worth the effort.-
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I'll tell you where it goes. Nowhere, or in worst case, to a mislynch.
Since it seems that I'm the only one who can see this wagon is poor at real arguments, I'm the only one who thinks that many pieces of information having provided by me in my Day 2 posts have been ignored, my growing unwillingness to go on with this discussion is not a surprise. I can fortell that maintaining this topic all I can get are tags like "VI defense", "newbscum gameplay" and things like those – regardless of my answers. I can also fortell the forthcoming words as well: "flailing", "WIFOMizing", "misrepresenting". Fankly, I'm sick of this phenomena. (It also exists in IRL Mafia games but, there a Day phase like this lasts for 3 minutes tops.)
Let me expain it by elaborating one single thing. Case:"someone was bussing Chevre and it was Aneninen."
(1) I've told the reason why was I voting for Reinoe in 527; also mentioning that I might join a Chevre or an Evilpacman wagon if the Reinoe wagon went nowhere.
(2) I voted for Chevre in 587, putting him on L–1.
(3) Posted a funny summary in 610. However, thereweresomerealbits in it. Eg: thinking Reinoe, Chevre and Evilpacman are scum.
(4) Started an argument with Antihero in 630.
For me, something seems to be logical. If I were Chevre's scum partner
(1) I wouldn't have voted for him so as to put him on L–1.
(2) I would have jumped off the wagon after his summary (588), simply saying something like "hmmm... I'm not sure about this wagon right now". (Hint who were the players who had jumped off that wagon?)
(3) I could have put back my vote on Reinoe after this post of him: 593 (so as to let you call me a stubborn player), or as a worst case scenario change my vote to Antihero as our argue started (to gain an OMGUSnewb tag or something like that).
None of these things happened.
However, if you are having an interest in my wagon, I'm pretty sure that you can "U–pipe" these arguments as well. (U–piping: misusing arguments to prove the exact opposite out of the same things.)
Still, feel free to go on with my wagon; but on Day3 you all really should examine whose interest it will have been to push this wagon.-
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In post 759, Konowa wrote:If chaos is scum, Broodking is probably the final scum. Soft defense of Chevre in post #479 when the Chevre wagon was at it's lowest and the votehop off of chaos to Anen was pretty crappy too.
As for Broodking, I've already told it that the case on me was exceptionally poor. If I named a scum from that wagon, Broodking would be the best bet. Though, there were pretty much ad hoc votes there, whilst my early-Day-2 posts about reads on several people have been generally ignored so far.-
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@Broodking: I don't think I'm focusing on smaller details than the arguments provided against me. There were the following things provided by me against Antihero: (1) leaving the Chevre wagon (2) his later post in which he gave Chevre a towntell (3) giving away 4 scum names when this Day started with no reasons (4) giving a reaction for my long post in 1 minute (this post included a vote too) (5) assuming a possible Misaka/Aneninen scum team and the fact that Misaka is coaching me (Misaka and me haven't had too much contact in the chat)
These are five things. Also, Don Johnson pointed out (more or less) (1) and (2) too.-
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@Broodking– ???
It was Antihero who brought up and went along with the idea of a Misaka/Aneninen scum team (examples: 651, 663, 670). We've hardly talked to each other so far, so for me, it seems to be nonsense. Also, as Guyett pointed it out, we wouldn't have bussed Chevre on Day1 if we were scums. Also, if Misaka were couching mewouldI start a fight right in the beginning of Day 2 before they post anything? After all, I'm the newer player – shouldn't I have listened to their coaching in this case? ^_^
As for the "reading in 30 seconds". I've tried it myself later (scrolling to a new post in another thread, reading it, thinking about the answer, reading the answer) and it didn't work in 1 minute. I even shown a half as long text to my sweetheart (in our native language, the topic of the text was named by me) and told her "form an opinion while or after your reading" – even that took more than 1 minute. (No, she didn't know what the point of this experiment was.) So, I still think that piece of information relevant.-
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In post 808, Guyett wrote:Not quite sure... I think it might just be an honest translation mistake as I think Anan is Hungarian tight? Maybe English isn't his first language and he just phrased that statement badly.
Yes, I'm Hungarian. Sometimes I do misuse phrases, especially when (1) I'm very tired or (2) I read something in German before posting. If both, I tend to create silly sentences.
I don't have a strong read on Misaka. (That was a question which in a different post appeared has.<––– I did that terrible word order on purpose. That's how German works, lololol!)Their posts are short and (sometimes) sparse. I didn't really understand their vote for me, nor for Broodking later. (Though, I think it would be AtE to call them scum just because they voted for me before.)-
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@Guyett: I don't really understand what did you want to prove with that vote analysis. However, I think I found something strange. The Chevre wagon was originally started by Startfromtheheart (Bert), he left it for Reinoe in 243, rejoined it in 280, left it in 361... and never joined it again.
@Startfromtheheart: It's about the thing I've mentioned aboveplusthe fact that you keep reposting your random table from the very start of the game. Plus, your recent vote for me without providing any content. I think you owe us an explanation.
@Konowa: I don't think Don jk'ed me last night; as far as I can remember I wasn't on his scum-list.
@Everyone: It's strange that neither Konowa nor Chaos got nightkilled. Either one of them (or both of them?) are lying or it's a pure WIFOM produced by the scums and they want us to lynch them sooner or later.
However, the tracking of Chaos is correct: I didn't visit anyone last night. So, noone shall be surprised by this claim: I'm a Vanilla Townie.
Just one more thing about Chaos which might confirm that he's telling the truth. If hewerea scum, providing a fake-tracking about me would be risky: if Ihada role with a targetting ability I would know instantly that he's lying!
Also, something about Don_Johnson. I've tried finding a softclaim by ISO-ing his posts. If he had softclaimed he should have used the letterJ, which is really rare in English. It has been easy to check all the J's in his posts but, I have found NOTHING which might have been a softclaim.
This means... (1) either the scums were dumb and lucky by Nightkilling them (2) orthey must have a rolecop! If (2) is true, that may explain why Konowa and Chaos are still alive.
I know that I'm not the smartest player on this forum but I hope that at least the latest bit helps.-
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startfromyourheart wrote:Anen is not clear because of your track...
True, because only one of the scums preforms the Nightkill. On the other hand, it still counts as a read. Even if someone doesn't believe me, it should be considered that (1) the track read shows that I have no role with targetting (2) it makes less likely that I'm a scum.
In short: I think right now, i'm a "we can still do that" Lynch/Nightkill. (I mean, if you still think that I might be a scum but you're all unsure, lynching me would be good for not losing a town PR while Nightkilling me by the scums would be good for a sure hit, since no Doctor with a little common sense would prevent that.)
@Guyett: Yeah, VC analysis IS useful.
For example: Antihero was leading the Chevre wagon for a long time, jumped off in 375 so as to vote for EPM. Went for Bert in 437, back to Bert 4 posts later (!), returned to Chevre in 521. Left that wagon in 592. His Day 2 started with voting on me, then came a drama with a self-vote and finally it was he who hammered Misaka. Well, okay... that pattern makes no sense as a scum (as a partner of Chevre), but makes no sense as a townie as well. Has anyone got an idea about this?
Chaoslord wrote:I tracked Anen because of the whole back and forth between him and Anti in D-1 and a little in D-2. He also seemed to be one of the people that was under most people's suspicions so I was hoping by tracking him maybe it could lead to the idea of pushing forward with lynching him through being scum or to maybe help support the Anti is scum wagon by proving that Anen is town. I felt either way it gave us someone a little more solid to lynch.
This explanation looks genuine. However, I don't agree that proving town-alignment means that Antihero's a scum. See above!
Evilpacman wrote:One of Konowa or chaos has to be scum I think =\
Not true. The more I think about it the surer I am that the scum team has a Rolecop. That explains the Nightkill of Don_Johnson (the Rolecop must have targetted him at Night1) and the fact that both Konowa and Chaos are still alive. You can read about this in my previous post: I tried to find a softclaim from Don_Johnson and I found nothing. (If there had been a softclaim, the scums might have de-crypted it somehow.)
Also, if Chaos were a scum, it would be risky to give a fake-track read since I could have had a town PR and could have caught him lying immediately. If he were a Mafia Tracker how could the scums benefit bypublishinghis reads? Again, what would happen if he FOUND a town PR for real...? (I mean, in this case he might have tracked Don_Johnson at Night1... but, why did he claimed tracker only to provide NO tracking info afterwards?)
The latter answer goes for CherryDog as well: I don't think any of the claims are scum. I'm almost sure that both of them are real.
@Bert: you haven't answered my question about your voting pattern nor about voting for me without providing any pieces of information yet.-
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??? – where have I been suggesting town roles?
I'm only saying that there must be a Mafia Rolecop and talking about previous claims. How exactly does that WIFOMize the game?
However, your latter sentence is absolutely true, we should keep that info in mind. (But, if Antihero were scum why would have suggested that? Wouldn't it have been easier not saying anything and simply Nightkilling Don?)-
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Guyett wrote:Anen's alignment depends on Anti I think.
Why? Though I too find Anti scummy.
Antihero wrote:also, don got nked because he was never ever getting lynched...
Whut??! How the fork does that make sense??!!
BroodKing wrote:My opinion is that Chaos has been seeming more townie over the last few days and Konowa more and more scummy.
I think both of them are town. (See my previous posts for explanations)
Startfromtheheart wrote:I've been WIFOMizing the game much more than anyone else, but that's because I haven't really had much to say - got a lot of distractions going on outside the site which should be much better in a week or two. I don't think I've really provided any good info in this game so far, so you could have pointed that out on D1, D2, or D3.
...and you all call me a fluffy and a content-less one? Take a look at Bert. ^_^
BroodKing wrote:A situation I'm rolling around in my head is that Anti kept jumping off the Chevre wagon thinking it was never going to take off, but suddenly Chevre is L-1 for the second Chevre wagon and he gets lynched on accident.
Yes, I was talking about that vote pattern for a while during Day2 but somehow most of you ignored that. (By the way, the lynch was not an accident. it was Guyett – therefore I have some major town reads on him anyway.)
As for Chevre's walls, they indeed were to give us a headache. They were "so-called-answers-for-random-selected-bits" or how can I explain that.
VOTE: Antihero – not only because of the start of Day2 with that "less-than-1-minute-reply". I find your recent posts scummy too (an example has been given above). Plus, your crusade against accepting Don's opinion during Day2!-
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Konowa wrote:Can anyone explain to me why scumAnti would unvote EPM when he was at L-2 and then go back to the Chevre wagon and get FakeGod to vote Chevre if he is scum with Chevre? He unvoted at L-1 with Chevre claiming Vanilla to get reads out. Chevre was getting lynched, no doubt. Reads come out, Guy hammers. Where is the scum intent?
Hmmm... it's not that you've explained but your post has made me re-check his votes. If he were scum he would have jumped off the Chevre wagonbeforethe wagon reached L–1. He would have had plenty of time for that and he had been online, therefore opportunity too. He could have joined any other wagon or started a new case (eg. the case against me) much earlier.
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Konowa wrote:Also, Anen you're being way too gullible in regards to chaos. If chaos is scum who fakeclaimed tracker of course he is going to have to risk faking results.
Am I gullible? I don't think so, unless...
...let's assume that scumsdohave a Rolecop. Chaos targets Don and gets lucky by finding a PR. He knows that he might not be that lucky next time, fake-claims tracker, says that he investigated Reinoe (no risk has taken by doing this). He targets me next, posts his "tracking" that I was doing nothing (knowing that I'm VT, he hasn't have to take any risk again).
Hey, everyone!Does my theory make sense?
@CheeryDog: Guyett is most probably town, in my opinion. He was the one who hammered Chevre, wasn't he? How would that have make sense if he were scum, on Day1?
@Broodking: the same answer goes for you as for Konowa, see above! (referring to 1045)
@Guyett, 1046: ??? Do you think that my random vote on Boonskiies is a scumtell because a wagon emerged on him afterwards? Sorry, that's bullshyt!
@EvilPacMan, ChaosLord: what's the case against Konowa again?-
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