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Post Post #39 (isolation #0) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:19 am

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In post 34, Clusk92 wrote:Chaoslord is correct, SKOT's actions are null.

VOTE: Espressojet

Scum found.


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Post Post #41 (isolation #1) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:40 am

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You're right I should have just indulged in dumb RVS jokes rather than my usual winning strategy of voting the first person who says someone's actions are null - which has a 70% success rate.
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Post Post #45 (isolation #2) » Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:59 am

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voting me has a 99% lose rate.

these are 100% accurate stats guys
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Post Post #62 (isolation #3) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:57 am

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In post 53, Prof Fridays wrote:
In post 48, Espressojet wrote:It's just something that bothers me here, it's not specific to this thread. Things happen in life, my emotions change, and my mood with it. People keep getting on my case for change of tone and whatnot. It almost got me Iynched in my first game too.

In other news, Prof. Fridays has done no real scum hunting, so for the time being...
VOTE: Prof. Fridays

Uhhhh, okay.


Anatole Kuragin wrote:You're right I should have just indulged in dumb RVS jokes rather than my usual winning strategy of voting the first person who says someone's actions are null - which has a 70% success rate.

Interesting. I've not heard of this (not being sarcastic; I'm just somewhat new to meta/logic here). I'm willing to accept it, but you're not exactly convincing me, whether through argument or play-style.


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Vote:BJC


Don't really like your aggressive and pushy attitude to try and get SKOT or Espresso lynched. Even if you favor speed lynches, to try and get people lynched off of very little evidence screams scum to me

You can say that, but from my experience this is indicative of bjc-town, so I'm not going to support this wagon.


I was bullshitting about the percentage, but it's a theory I'm working on. I've found that scum are a lot more likely to call actions null because it a) makes them sound confident because it's better than "I don't have a read" but they can still middle.
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Post Post #63 (isolation #4) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:08 am

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BJC is pushy as town, but I'm guessing if enough people say "BJC is pushy as town" he'd probably start acting that way as scum as well. I've never seen him as scum so I can't say for sure.
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Post Post #73 (isolation #5) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:36 am

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I generally abhor meta but bjc is the only person here I've finished a game with, and I'm 90% sure he is town. Also holy shit dude you get mislynched a lot on day one/two.
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Post Post #74 (isolation #6) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:37 am

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Going to give a few points to the roflcopter slot as well for replacing out.
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Post Post #75 (isolation #7) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:38 am

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Also I vigkilled rofl who was a townie in my first ever game of mafia here I think, 6 years ago.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #8) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:48 am

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Did someone not hug you enough bjc?
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Post Post #81 (isolation #9) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:53 am

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You're clearly more interested in going after minute, non-scummy things than actual scumtells. I figured if we can talk through it maybe we can focus on actually finding mafia, because you're doing a pretty poor job of it if you think it's me.
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Post Post #82 (isolation #10) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:53 am

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If I was mafia I would happily sit back and let you take over the town then kill you tonight, not shitpost for reactions.
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Post Post #83 (isolation #11) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:55 am

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I'm bad at day ones as town so just focus on a different mislynch so I can get my shit together.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #12) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:02 am

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In post 84, Espressojet wrote:Anatole, why would you give town points to a slot just for a replace out?


Just experience, has to do with people wanting to play PR/mafia, especially newish people. I recant that though because rofl apparently is /out on other games and is also a veteran too so it's probably not related to this particular game.
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Post Post #91 (isolation #13) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:12 am

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No wonder people want to lynch you.
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Post Post #94 (isolation #14) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:14 am

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It's not RVS.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #15) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:19 am

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Because it's totally better to start a wagon on a townie.

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Post Post #98 (isolation #16) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:20 am

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Though I will shift my vote for now. Prof Friday is fishy.

VOTE: Prof Friday
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Post Post #102 (isolation #17) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:24 am

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In post 99, Espressojet wrote:Look at bjc here, trying to start a wagon without even voting in it himself!


what game are you even playing dude?
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Post Post #104 (isolation #18) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:25 am

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In post 101, bjc wrote:Nice 70% success rate. Was it or was it not a real vote (the clusk vote)?

Also, espresso, I'm already on the wagon.


It was a real vote, thought it may get him to respond. obviously didn't work.
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Post Post #107 (isolation #19) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:26 am

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Townies are usually more black and white than scum, hence the vote on the null comment which was basically all he has said.
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Post Post #115 (isolation #20) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:33 am

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In post 109, bjc wrote:
In post 104, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 101, bjc wrote:Nice 70% success rate. Was it or was it not a real vote (the clusk vote)?

Also, espresso, I'm already on the wagon.


It was a real vote, thought it may get him to respond. obviously didn't work.

So when he didn't respond it made him more likely to be town than scum?


Makes him more likely to get replaced. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post Post #119 (isolation #21) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:58 am

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your analysis of espresso is almost as uninspired as your vote, chaos lord
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Post Post #121 (isolation #22) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:04 am

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In post 100, Prof Fridays wrote:I'm actually kind of reconsidering Clusk. I'll have to think on it.

FoS: Clusk92


PEdit: Welp. Alright.


I'll take my vote off of you if you take your vote off of me.
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Post Post #123 (isolation #23) » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:25 am

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Oh, no dice then, sorry.
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Post Post #167 (isolation #24) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:39 am

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I think he is VI guys
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Post Post #168 (isolation #25) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:39 am

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without bringing up ongoing games - I think espresso is going to have a long, sordid career of mislyches
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Post Post #170 (isolation #26) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:41 am

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lynchbait may be a better term than VI
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Post Post #171 (isolation #27) » Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:45 am

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In post 128, Espressojet wrote:
In post 121, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 100, Prof Fridays wrote:I'm actually kind of reconsidering Clusk. I'll have to think on it.

FoS: Clusk92


PEdit: Welp. Alright.


I'll take my vote off of you if you take your vote off of me.


Some clear bargaining here


Damn sherlock you got me. :cop:
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Post Post #175 (isolation #28) » Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:51 pm

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well, good job on espresso guys. I'm completely misjudged him
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Post Post #176 (isolation #29) » Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:51 pm

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bjc you can yell at me now
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Post Post #180 (isolation #30) » Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:22 pm

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at work I have some possible partners written down, I'll check it out tomorrow morning
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Post Post #188 (isolation #31) » Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:16 pm

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VOTE: marky mark and the funky bunch
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Post Post #189 (isolation #32) » Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:17 pm

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L-1, got a claim mark?
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Post Post #191 (isolation #33) » Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:18 pm

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how many scum is customary with 13 players? 3?
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Post Post #203 (isolation #34) » Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:30 pm

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figure we can at least chill until we hear from albert. I'm still basically v/la until tomorrow when I will be at a computer long enough to play
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Post Post #216 (isolation #35) » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:34 am

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albert if you checked me can you just tell us so bjc can go take a nap? he's obviously not interested in actually looking for scum

from the people who have actually posted enough for me to have feelings about - I'd guess prof fridays or marquis is mafia. but it's a 9 page day 3 so
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Post Post #219 (isolation #36) » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:17 am

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VOTE: Marquis
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Post Post #220 (isolation #37) » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:11 am

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In post 34, Clusk92 wrote:Chaoslord is correct, SKOT's actions are null.

VOTE: Espressojet

Scum found.


this is the only post clusk has made all game, can we get a prod or something?
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Post Post #221 (isolation #38) » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:12 am

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Also, worth noting - the only other player Hiraki expressed any suspicion of is Fridays
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Post Post #222 (isolation #39) » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:12 am

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(besides espresso)
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Post Post #228 (isolation #40) » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:13 am

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did you see the way espresso played? I would have
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Post Post #234 (isolation #41) » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:49 am

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plot twist - clusk is the jk/rb and hasn't posted but silently protected us lost souls
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Post Post #254 (isolation #42) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:02 am

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I still say marquis or fridays
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Post Post #257 (isolation #43) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:25 am

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plot twist - mafia no killed so they could claim jk today and live one more day to fuck our perfect streak
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Post Post #258 (isolation #44) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:25 am

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if it's really because mafia is inactive or forgot to kill and we waste another day or two waiting for a jk claim I will be sad
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Post Post #262 (isolation #45) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:24 am

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sneakiest knife in the tree
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Post Post #265 (isolation #46) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:51 am

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was that a random vote or do you think fridays is scummy?
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Post Post #269 (isolation #47) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:29 am

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doesn't matter. if a doctor claims, and saves albert tonight, we will have 2 CIs, a smaller pool, and the game will be won essentially
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Post Post #270 (isolation #48) » Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:30 am

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or if we hit the jackpot, the third scum
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Post Post #272 (isolation #49) » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:49 am

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yeah it's frustrating that we have such an advantage and can't drive this puppy home because everyone is gone
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Post Post #284 (isolation #50) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:30 am

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I'm not opposed to this case, but I would find it weird that he would immediately vote his only remaining partner after a successful lynch by town.
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Post Post #288 (isolation #51) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:16 am

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In post 287, Prof Fridays wrote:Anatole, you're scaring me D:

I'm down with the system. I suppose given Mark's trying to make a case on chaoslord Day 1 to distract from the Espressojet wagon would semi-clear him.

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Scaring you because you think I'm scum or because I want to lynch you?
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Post Post #290 (isolation #52) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:24 am

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Oh, yeah. My avatars are all from the album artwork of my favorite band - King Crimson.
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Post Post #298 (isolation #53) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:28 am

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VOTE: SKOT

Let's see where this rabbit hole goes.
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Post Post #304 (isolation #54) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:48 am

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yeah i feel like we have this in the bag if people would actually play - the paranoid line is weird
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Post Post #306 (isolation #55) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:51 am

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UNVOTE: skot VOTE: chaoslord
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Post Post #308 (isolation #56) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:51 am

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In post 306, Anatole Kuragin wrote:UNVOTE: skot VOTE: chaoslord


VOTE: chaoslord

so its on a separate line
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Post Post #309 (isolation #57) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:52 am

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Maybe. If we have a doc we are basically at 100% chance of victory, and without one we're still sitting pretty good.
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Post Post #315 (isolation #58) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:05 am

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Nah, no way I'm getting strung up before fridays
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Post Post #320 (isolation #59) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:10 am

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it is weird though that BJC is still alive - he gets night killed early almost every town game
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Post Post #323 (isolation #60) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:11 am

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well maybe he should see it as a sign the mafia approve of how clueless his reads are? hmm bjc?
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Post Post #326 (isolation #61) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:13 am

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yeah I'll just do whatever alby says - he's never led me astray before
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Post Post #329 (isolation #62) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:28 am

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yeah that "chaos lord is slight scumlean" right under his comment about mark looks on the money. I actually meant to go back to that post yesterday and forgot about it because the mark lynch happened so fast.

candidates from espresso's post -

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Post Post #330 (isolation #63) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:28 am

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In post 328, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 326, Anatole Kuragin wrote:yeah I'll just do whatever alby says - he's never led me astray before


Can you call me Albert?


Sure. Sorry Albert.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #64) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:34 am

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sorry dude, your read is bad - everybody makes mistakes
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Post Post #337 (isolation #65) » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:01 am

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he already did marq - devrian is innocent
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Post Post #354 (isolation #66) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:10 am

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VOTE: Marquis this has always seemed like a good vote, and our Fallen Savior Albert B Rampage thought so as well.
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Post Post #359 (isolation #67) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:57 am

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Yeah, if you lynch me you are idiots and we're probably going to lose this game.

Marquis and Fridays are valid lynch options, as they always have been.
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Post Post #360 (isolation #68) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:59 am

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In post 125, Marky Mark wrote:Convinced there is something going on within the Anatole/Espresso/Chaos triangle. Voting/suspicion wise both Chaos and Espresso are attacking each other and Anatole,
meanwhile Anatole is going after Prof, who seems pretty staunchly town to me.
#92 by espresso is particularly noteworthy and seems like a poor attempt to distance, especially as Anatole was under little pressure at that point and there seems no motivation for it from espresso (unless it was supposed to be #90).

Will leave my vote where it is for the time being and continue to monitor events.

In post 30, Marky Mark wrote:As much as I find it a little scummy how SKOT is trying to show his innocence by use of randomisation, espresso's reaction to it is more noteworthy.

The change in tone of post between #12 and #14-#15 is staggering considering how close together the posts come.

With regard to #20 by Prof Friday about finding 3 Scum, it is something that anybody might say as it is the usual setup, but more likely to be said by scum as if there was 3 scum they would no for sure.

Albert - I am curious why you random voted for bjc in #4 straight after somebody else had random voted him?
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Post Post #361 (isolation #69) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:00 am

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In post 130, Espressojet wrote:not to say that this one post is a substantial basis for a vote. Anatole retains my highest level of suspicion.

Prof. Fridays is my strongest town lean right now


SKoT still has yet to come out of his shell since his "pure RVS"

while I'm going I might as well throw out a few more reads...

uhhh... I'm uncertain about bjc. His playstyle confuses me. He seems to just bumble about, but he usually gets results

Clusk still has yet to contribute anything more than a single, unexplained scumread

Mark seems to be actively scumhunting, but I've got no real read on him yet

Chaos lord is slight scumlean to me right now

I'll agree that ABR is hiding in plain sight right now, and he's usually more talkative from my experience with him, so I'm throwing a FoS his way currently

that's pretty much what's on my mind right now. Anyone else?
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Post Post #362 (isolation #70) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:00 am

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UNVOTE: marquisVOTE: fridays
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Post Post #363 (isolation #71) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:01 am

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UNVOTE: marquis

VOTE: fridays

for separate lines

look through the game - I have suspected fridays all along and he never so much as blinked an eye lash or thought I was remotely scummy because he knew that Albert, seemingly the only intelligent person in this game, would defend me. as soon as he kills off albert he knows it's open season
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Post Post #364 (isolation #72) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:02 am

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In post 356, Prof Fridays wrote:VOTE: Anatole

Clusk should be replaced.


For what reason? Bjc has been mindless tunneling me all game and now you decide you agree with him?
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Post Post #366 (isolation #73) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:04 am

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In post 70, Prof Fridays wrote:Ehhhhh, I think Mark's point still stands in large part.

In post 95, Prof Fridays wrote:VOTE: chaoslord

FoS: Anatole


Not as interested in Espressojet.

In post 143, Prof Fridays wrote:Still somewhat unsure on Espressojet. His list of reads seems pretty NULL to me *wink*

In post 147, Prof Fridays wrote:Oo, that's tempting.

VOTE: Espressojet

Ya got me, Hiraki, ya got me.


come on guys. fridays is obviously partnered with mark and espresso
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Post Post #367 (isolation #74) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:05 am

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just lynch him after me then. jesus you are stubborn and bad at the same time bjc
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Post Post #369 (isolation #75) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:07 am

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I said go ahead and lynch me. you obviously aren't going to see reason. just get prof next if you're going to be so stupid about this
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Post Post #370 (isolation #76) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:08 am

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also I was half right about espresso - he was VI AND scum
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Post Post #373 (isolation #77) » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:12 am

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In post 368, bjc wrote:
In post 364, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 356, Prof Fridays wrote:VOTE: Anatole

Clusk should be replaced.


For what reason? Bjc has been mindless tunneling me all game and now you decide you agree with him?
You keep going back-and-forth between attempting to discredit my push against you as bad play and calling me a capable player. Which is it?
In post 167, Anatole Kuragin wrote:I think he is VI guys
I didn't even see this last-ditch effort at diverting the espresso wagon D1. Lol.
In post 320, Anatole Kuragin wrote:it is weird though that BJC is still alive - he gets night killed early almost every town game

In post 323, Anatole Kuragin wrote:well maybe he should see it as a sign the mafia approve of how clueless his reads are? hmm bjc?

Which is it? Nice wifom too. Your posts are full of it.


They've kept you alive because they knew when necessary they could fall back on the mindless lynch you've been pursuing since day 1 (see prof ignoring me until today and then sheeping you). Hopefully after this game you will realize that and avoid the same mistake in the future.

p-edit: I think you are a better player than you have been in this game, honestly. I know you would have found me out in wake's game. But you've been way off this game, but so have I aside from Fridays - who I think is the last scum.

I shouldn't call you a shitty player, but it's really frustrating to be fighting an uphill battle - trying to not only find scum but fighting a baseless case against me constantly that no other player gave any credence to until it was convenient for mafia to jump on.
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Post Post #392 (isolation #78) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:35 am

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Fitz, skot should have replaced out of this game, along with 2 or 3 other players, but he doesn't have overt scum connections or behavior like Fridays does
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Post Post #409 (isolation #79) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:22 am

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Yeah - I'm not convinced. And if you are telling the truth, which I find less likely than you being untruthful, you're only a 1-shot and we wouldn't lose a PR. If you're going to fakeclaim at least claim something invaluable.

They probably didn't get a kill submitted for night 2 and now Fridays is using that as justification for there being a defensive PR even though it was obvious the best time to claim that was yesterday.
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Post Post #411 (isolation #80) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:23 am

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If you're a town PR, why didn't you claim yesterday?
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Post Post #416 (isolation #81) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:25 am

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In post 256, Prof Fridays wrote:
In post 252, Clusk92 wrote:Sorry for the long abscence guys, which I see has put me in a spot of bother.

Obviously the no-kill and me being gone is just a coincedence, but I can see why you'd come to the conclusion that I'm scum from that.

Don't think the JK/RB should step forward though to save me, we want those PR's being hidden for as long as possible.

Marquis is scummy for not wanting to lynch me before a replacement even had a chance to defend themselves though.

Why shouldn't the JK step forward if there is one? Their roleblock could account for the no-kill and we can lynch the last scum.

PEdit: DAMMIT ALBERT

In post 280, Prof Fridays wrote:Not sure why I'm suspicious, but whatever. I'm guessing we don't have a RB/JK at this point, which doesn't exactly surprise me.
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Post Post #419 (isolation #82) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:28 am

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Straw man argument anyone?

So your role is that you're a bodyguard that has 1 shot BP not a BP that has a 1 shot bodyguard?
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Post Post #422 (isolation #83) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:28 am

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Sorry, I was confused about what you were claiming, but after looking at your targets that should have been obvious. If there isn't another protective role claim then you're probably legit.
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Post Post #423 (isolation #84) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:29 am

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Why would you not want me to protect our investigative role?


This was his straw man.
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Post Post #426 (isolation #85) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:30 am

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Yeah but he's arguing that I don't want the cop protected, which is an untenable argument that I never posited.
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Post Post #427 (isolation #86) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:31 am

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Goddamnit. I thought I had this.
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Post Post #430 (isolation #87) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:33 am

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In post 428, Prof Fridays wrote:
In post 426, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Yeah but he's arguing that I don't want the cop protected, which is an untenable argument that I never posited.

It was an implication of the argument you presented, i.e. that lynching me was fine because I'm not a PR at this point (which is horrible anyway, because VTs are still valuable).


Again, not what I posited, if you're town don't twist my words.

I said since I found it likely you were lying, lynching what would effectively be VT would be easier to stomach than losing a PR. I was also bloodthirsty at the time because for some reason the two scum had a hard on for you.
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Post Post #432 (isolation #88) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:34 am

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Can we not do this whole thing again?

Derivan/Phok, Fridays, Anatole and probably BJC are town. We have a good enough base to work with from there.

Clusk, SKOT, Havingfitz are on the chopping block
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Post Post #433 (isolation #89) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:35 am

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In post 431, bjc wrote:That can't be a scum claim lol.


I meant I thought I had the game figured out, since Fridays was a shoe-in for the last mafia. I continue by shit streak this game.
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Post Post #435 (isolation #90) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:36 am

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In post 434, Prof Fridays wrote:
Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 428, Prof Fridays wrote:
In post 426, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Yeah but he's arguing that I don't want the cop protected, which is an untenable argument that I never posited.

It was an implication of the argument you presented, i.e. that lynching me was fine because I'm not a PR at this point (which is horrible anyway, because VTs are still valuable).


Again, not what I posited, if you're town don't twist my words.

I said since I found it likely you were lying, lynching what would effectively be VT would be easier to stomach than losing a PR. I was also bloodthirsty at the time because for some reason the two scum had a hard on for you.

*shrugs* I mean, scum will naturally have strong town reads that are actually town so they can be like, "Look, yeah, we're totally town because we read him right!"

UNVOTE:


Yeah I know but both were fairly careless with their play.
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Post Post #436 (isolation #91) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:37 am

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Oh shit I forgot Marquis - who is now my #1
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Post Post #437 (isolation #92) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:40 am

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Assuming the cop isn't inactive with a town result on Fridays, it must be on one of the other players. Cop reveals 1 extra CI, Fridays protects him tonight, we get another result tomorrow, we win the game?
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Post Post #438 (isolation #93) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:41 am

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And if the cop dies we just lynch Fridays, who would have to be the last scum in this scenario.
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Post Post #440 (isolation #94) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:42 am

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(assuming it's an every night cop)
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Post Post #441 (isolation #95) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:42 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #447 (isolation #96) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:12 am

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Wiggle room: if albert lives we basically have the game locked up, if he dies our chances drop considerably
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Post Post #449 (isolation #97) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:13 am

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that was with the assumption he was a doctor
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Post Post #451 (isolation #98) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:13 am

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We need the cop claim - if fridays isn't a townie fakeclaiming it shouldn't be a problem because we'll just lynch him if the cop dies.
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Post Post #460 (isolation #99) » Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:48 am

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As long as you admit your actions may have cost us the game regardless of your alignment. Not a mislynch or misplaced trust which can happen to anybody, but you literally played against all reason and defended a player whose alignment you have no idea of and let a CI die.

Fitz - there's no reason to lynch him today if we get a cop claim.
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Post Post #478 (isolation #100) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:50 am

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In post 477, Sharpest-knife-on-tree wrote:not sure abuot Prof friday's claim
may as well get claim form Anatole
vote anatole


lol - this is the least effort pressure vote I have ever seen
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Post Post #481 (isolation #101) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:21 am

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Clusk has got to be cop right? Is that guy still in the game or what?
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Post Post #482 (isolation #102) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:22 am

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I see he will be proddable in less than an hour, and potentially replaced?
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Post Post #486 (isolation #103) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:38 am

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Clusk why do you even join a game if you're only going to post once every 48 hours? Do you realize how frustrating that is for the players who give a shit?
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Post Post #488 (isolation #104) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:39 am

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Unless ABR was both very lucky and willing to fuck with us, there is a cop.
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Post Post #489 (isolation #105) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:39 am

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We can seriously win this game so easy with a cop claim
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Post Post #493 (isolation #106) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:51 am

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In post 491, Clusk92 wrote:
In post 486, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Clusk why do you even join a game if you're only going to post once every 48 hours? Do you realize how frustrating that is for the players who give a shit?


Yes I do, but I sort of lost interest in this game since I was absent from this site for about a week.

I will try harder from now on


Yeah, sorry I was being a dick anyways. It happens to everybody, just seems like half the players in this game are checked out until it gets close to prod time.
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Post Post #497 (isolation #107) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:41 am

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Lol, before the end of the lynch he did say he was joking about the guilty, but we all assumed it was a joke.

But then he said he got an innocent on derivan/phok. Surely if he was joking around he wouldn't have done that and potentially sabotaged the game. Also, ABR voted Marquis which he wouldn't have done if Marq was the cop I would assume.

Either there is no cop or the cop is an idiot and doesn't realize we could put this game away if they claimed.
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Post Post #499 (isolation #108) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:50 am

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8 players today
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4 players the next day
gg assuming no successful docs

soo lynch marquis? or skot?
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Post Post #503 (isolation #109) » Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:03 am

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VOTE: Marquis
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Post Post #518 (isolation #110) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:47 am

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If only we had had some way of protecting the only known town PR in the game.

It's starting to look like we could conceivably lose this.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #111) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:31 am

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On what plane of existence am I more scummy than SKOT?

On what plane of existence is post or word count relevant at all to my alignment other than I have been here every day answering any question or concern I could? There is tons of content for you to look through to find something scummy and you won't. BJC tried his hardest and realized it was a fruitless endeavor.

That case against me feels really manufactured. It's literally entirely PoE except you aren't giving any decent reasons for eliminating any of the other players from your reasoning aside from SKOT voting Marky Mark (even though he later unvoted and tried to save him).

How am I more likely to be scum than Marquis, Fitz, and SKOT?

And can you remind us again why you completely threw the game by not protecting our ticket to a 100% win chance?
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Post Post #524 (isolation #112) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:32 am

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I am still not cop.

I still think BJC and Phok are town. Less and less sure about Fridays with posts that seem so lacking in evidence or logic and the alleged role he has.
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Post Post #525 (isolation #113) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:35 am

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1. Why would I be pushing so hard for a cop claim, which would win the town the game if I was scum?
2. Why would I sheep the only town power role as long as possible if I was scum?
3. Why would I so stupidly continue thinking and claiming Espresso wasn't scum (dude is king of the VIs) even until he was lynched if I was scum?
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Post Post #526 (isolation #114) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:35 am

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Can you please tell us who you protected each night Prof Fridays, if that's even your real name.
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Post Post #527 (isolation #115) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:39 am

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In post 437, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Assuming the cop isn't inactive with a town result on Fridays, it must be on one of the other players. Cop reveals 1 extra CI, Fridays protects him tonight, we get another result tomorrow, we win the game?

In post 438, Anatole Kuragin wrote:And if the cop dies we just lynch Fridays, who would have to be the last scum in this scenario.


Do these look like scum posts?

In post 366, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 70, Prof Fridays wrote:Ehhhhh, I think Mark's point still stands in large part.

In post 95, Prof Fridays wrote:VOTE: chaoslord

FoS: Anatole


Not as interested in Espressojet.

In post 143, Prof Fridays wrote:Still somewhat unsure on Espressojet. His list of reads seems pretty NULL to me *wink*

In post 147, Prof Fridays wrote:Oo, that's tempting.

VOTE: Espressojet

Ya got me, Hiraki, ya got me.


come on guys. fridays is obviously partnered with mark and espresso


Now compare them to these.
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Post Post #529 (isolation #116) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:45 am

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Everyone has more or less claimed and there is no cop. If there is a cop who hasn't claimed, they will assume as much responsibility for losing this game as Fridays will if he is actually a town bodyguard.
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Post Post #530 (isolation #117) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:47 am

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Would this game be horribly unbalanced if Neighborizer was our setup:

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Post Post #531 (isolation #118) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:47 am

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If neighborizer was our only power role in this setup*
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Post Post #532 (isolation #119) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:50 am

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Mod, should we assume that when we just see "Neighborizer" on a flip since this is a normal game, it will use http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighborizer? As it says that is the only version approved for normalcy.
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Post Post #533 (isolation #120) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:54 am

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My theory is Fridays was neighbored, told ABR he was cop, and gave up Marky Mark in exchange for presumed CI status until LyLo.
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Post Post #534 (isolation #121) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:55 am

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Crazy? Or just crazy enough to work?
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Post Post #536 (isolation #122) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:58 am

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Fridays didn't claim while ABR was alive because if he had claimed doctor, ABR would have said "wait, I thought you were a cop?" and couldn't claim cop because he didn't know if there actually was another cop which was entirely possible at the time.
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Post Post #537 (isolation #123) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 4:59 am

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Alright well if you guys won't lynch Fridays, can we at least consider this a personal win for me if this is the case?
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Post Post #539 (isolation #124) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:20 am

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Ok, so finally the ultimatum works. Prof, defend phok tonight or you die tomorrow.

we lynch Marquis, SKOT or Clusk.
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Post Post #540 (isolation #125) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:21 am

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VOTE: SKOT
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Post Post #541 (isolation #126) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:27 am

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That sucks no N2 result though
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Post Post #543 (isolation #127) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:32 am

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I think SKOT's unvote on Mark towards the end of the day at BEST moves that action to null though.
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Post Post #547 (isolation #128) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:27 am

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Fitz, the only difference in our lynch votes is that I voted for Chaos (because of ABR) and you didn't. Neither of us were on the Espresso lynch and we both voted on Marky Mark.

Can you give any specifics about what you find scummy?
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Post Post #549 (isolation #129) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:46 am

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Logically that case makes no sense.

There is one scum left.

You suspect two people based on identical grounds knowing AT LEAST one is a townie. Maybe that means it's a shitty basis to find scum on and entirely circumstantial?


You are ignoring things that are more significant to the game, like my consistency in supporting a strong, open discussion since ABR/?cop? became the driving forces in the town and my constant (sometimes misguided) scumhunting in favor of a few votes. I direct you to my responses to Fridays suggesting I was scum earlier.

Meanwhile you ignore clearly opportunistic player like SKOT or Marquis who either a) will lurk his way to a victory with your strategy of lynching everyone who has been scumhunting actively or b) doesn't give two shits about the game and will just let the town lose regardless of his alignment.
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Post Post #550 (isolation #130) » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:49 am

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We have an even number of players so we should just no lynch actually - Phok can investigate me or SKOT or somebody, fridays protects phok and maybe dies, then we have a smaller lynch pool and either another CI or our last scum.
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Post Post #580 (isolation #131) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:35 am

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In post 556, Marquis wrote:there is probably one scum left

we should lynch to narrow down chances and a no lynch is just a total waste

VOTE: skot

this is me wagoning a mild-growing-stronger scumread

a skim of his iso reveals his answers are the bare minimum.


If we no lynch we have an extra day to lynch scum.
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Post Post #581 (isolation #132) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:35 am

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Since the odds of doing so today are not great.
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Post Post #587 (isolation #133) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:51 am

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VOTE: Marquis[/unvote]
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Post Post #588 (isolation #134) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:51 am

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VOTE: Marquis
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Post Post #593 (isolation #135) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:53 am

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In post 589, Sharpest-knife-on-tree wrote:
In post 587, Anatole Kuragin wrote:VOTE: Marquis[/unvote]

weird vote fail


It's early, I'm hungover, and I couldn't decide if I should unvote before voting which resulted in a half-vote half-unvote abomination.
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Post Post #602 (isolation #136) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:30 am

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clash of the lurkers
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Post Post #607 (isolation #137) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:27 am

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class lynch m8s
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Post Post #615 (isolation #138) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:04 am

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Phok seems like a half-competent mafia player so he probably realizes I'm town.
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Post Post #616 (isolation #139) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:04 am

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In retrospect I think we should have pushed harder for the no lynch
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Post Post #618 (isolation #140) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:36 am

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thanks bud!
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Post Post #620 (isolation #141) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:03 am

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Hey Marquis - maybe start giving a shit about the game before you're dead next time if you're going to try and be our little league coach when we lynch you.
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Post Post #622 (isolation #142) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:24 am

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And if BJC flips town where did your behind the scenes work get us?
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Post Post #624 (isolation #143) » Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:29 am

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can't argue with that I guess
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Post Post #685 (isolation #144) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:21 am

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Wooooooooo great job guys!

cheers skot, ABR, and the rest of the town for killing it
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Post Post #686 (isolation #145) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:21 am

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gg to the scum - you got me bjc you beautiful bastard
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Post Post #696 (isolation #146) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 6:08 am

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In post 694, Prof Fridays wrote:
Brian Skies wrote:Prof Fridays could have done better with his protections, but I felt he did an okay job overall, even if he let the first claimed cop die. His claim was also pretty well done (albeit borrowed from Venmar) to help him buy at least another night phase and prevent himself from getting NK'ed.

I think this is a fair assessment (and, yes, I did take the tip from Venmar). My Day play was better than my Night play for sure. I took a gamble with Albert due to some confusion, but I thought I could get away with it anyway. I like to try to be unconventional when I can afford to be, and unfortunately, it backfired on me, though I was right in that I could afford it. At the end of the day, I'm not sad. I learned a lot from this game, and, well, it's a game! No sense in getting caught up in regrets of what could have been, especially with a win.


Everybody makes mistakes. I would probably be more upset about it if we had ended up losing. GG bud
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Post Post #701 (isolation #147) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:14 pm

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Same ^
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Post Post #702 (isolation #148) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:14 pm

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I'd play with any of you guys though - lurking kinda kills the game but it's a little different when half of the lurkers are also neighbors. Assuming there was meaningful discussion going on there.
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Post Post #703 (isolation #149) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:15 pm

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Also, ABR you're kinda my mafia hero between this and bella

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