Fuzzy First Forray ( Mini 1600)

[VictorDeAngelo]

Confirmed.

[VictorDeAngelo]

VOTE: Kusm4sta

Cause there's no way I can pronounce that.

[VictorDeAngelo]

You realize you put a 3rd vote on him already, right?

Why are you so concerned about one player having a whole three votes in rvs?

[VictorDeAngelo]

Isn't it like 7 to lynch at this point?

It is, which is why I don't think anyone should worry a 3 person wagon. I was going to point to the opening day post where it says useful things like how many it is to lynch and when our deadline is and I couldn't find one.

@Fuzzylogic

- If such a post could find a way of existing it would be awesome.

it's just annoying to start a wagon this early. HEY! I got an idea!!!!


VOTE: Kushm4sta


JUST AN RVS GUISE!!!

VOTE: boonskiies

Yeah, I totally did that. Get me out of here guys.

When one can't even say that they don't like the RVS going to 3 without backlash is when I give up on a hopeless game.

Boonskiies are you actually implying that I'm doing something scummy or are you just trolling this game?

I actually wasn't going to all Boon-like this game, but Reinoe/Bjc/Clusk/Kush have all seen my play before, and if I changed it up they'd be all like....OOOOO, boon be scum, yo!

Also, this is a terrible reason to keep a bad playing style IMO.

VOTE: Kusm4sta

Cause there's no way I can pronounce that.

do you even smoke weed??

I'm proud to say I do not.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I can't wait to find out if #62 is real. Lol if it is.

Also I can't wait till it's me, bjc and the last scum at lylo. That'll be fun.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Whereas scumreading a player from the start of the game is not odd in the slightest.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Whereas scumreading a player from the start of the game is not odd in the slightest.

No it's not. I've seen people get scumread after one post.

Yet I didn't even get the courtesy of one post.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Whereas scumreading a player from the start of the game is not odd in the slightest.

No it's not. I've seen people get scumread after one post.

Yet I didn't even get the courtesy of one post.

Do you geniunely believe he scumread you because of a 'feeling' before you even posted?

You make it sound as though that would be preposterous and yet...

To be fair, it was a feeling that the odds of you being town this game weren't in favor. It was just a feeling.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Whereas scumreading a player from the start of the game is not odd in the slightest.

You haven't done anything to remove that feeling.

You got me. I have failed to prove my towniness in the first 24 hours of the game.

Your reaction to my presence is also as if I had voted you and driven you to L-1, yet I've hardly focused on you. You seem to be a little too concerned, eh?

Don't make me count the posts bjc.

[VictorDeAngelo]

And yet YOU make it sound as if I'm doing something I'm not doing.

So your not scumreading me? Cause I know a bjc which would say otherwise.

[VictorDeAngelo]

You were what, 98% serious about me being scum in 26 bjc. Since then you've kept saying how I'm scum but not bothering to actually say why. Am I meant to ignore all that just cause you're voting elsewhere?

[VictorDeAngelo]

You were what, 98% serious about me being scum in 26 bjc. Since then you've kept saying how I'm scum but not bothering to actually say why. Am I meant to ignore all that just cause you're voting elsewhere?

Victor this point about bjc not explaining his votes is complete bullshit, and you know it. All three of us played in Open 559 so stop pretending you're completely unfamiliar with bjc's playstyle.

VOTE: victor

He's not doing that though, he's voting elsewhere but he's constantly nipping in with Victor's scum while shoving his vote elsewhere. But apparently the odds are I'm scum this game so it pointless me posting shit.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Sigh, seems bjc is conftown. I can only hope he gets the NK.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Whereas scumreading a player from the start of the game is not odd in the slightest.

No it's not. I've seen people get scumread after one post.

Yet I didn't even get the courtesy of one post.

You do realize reads can change right?

Sure, doesn't mean I have ignore bad reads when I see them.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Victor, is 110 sarcasm?

Nope, I don't like people scumreading me for no reason and like them out of the game. Particularly when they have two votes.

Victor being whiny isn't helping his image but I've said all along that this guy, or Toby, is the place to start at. For real.

It's this sort of attitude that is pissing me off about you.

No he's not confirmed. Only Victor thought he was

I still think we'd be silly not to treat a dv as conftown. Does anyone know a mini normal with a scum double voter.

That said, I like Boonskiis and Clusk for town after the whole green pm thing. Scum would too hesitant to jump IMO. I also reckon at least one of the subsequent votes is scum so that's one of Reinoe/Flubber is scum (possibly both). I'm gonna through my vote on Reinoe for the time being.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Reinoe

I also have a lean scum read on Onox after that noncommittal entrance in 175.

[VictorDeAngelo]

This is so much logic-fail. The people who jumped on bjc early were town but the people who chimed in later might be scum.

Well yeah, once a few people point out that the town role pms were colourless scum would know it's safe to play along.

Hey Victor, why do you think bjc said the town role pm's are green when they're actually uncolored?

The same reason he said his role pm was shiny, it was an embellishment.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Also, I'm willing to believe that Onox is newbtown since this is his first game onsite...and he has a whopping three posts on the forum.

He could be an alt. He could have extensive experience offsite. Why jump to the conclusion he's newbtown?

[VictorDeAngelo]

I have seen a scum double voter at least once before, but it was restricted to being a one shot thing.

Here is an actual example of a scum double-voter game I found:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=2000

I'd say if we're just talking about the role itself, a non-secret double vote is more indicative of town than scum. Assuming it is not the type of double vote sent by pm. It's not exactly confirmed town material though.

P-edit: Onox newb

town

since this is his first game? Please.

Yeah, but that was a large theme game. I saw some crazy roles in the last theme game I played as well. But this is a mini normal. I'm not going to believe that a role that is traditionally pro-town is scum unless there is a similar game with the same thing.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I stand corrected then. Bjc is not conftown, but I'm still not willing to consider lynching him until we have a better idea of the setup. It will be apparent at the point of mass claim whether he could be lying.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Anyone else think it would be fun to stop talking about our role PMs and actually hunt scum the old fashioned way.

[VictorDeAngelo]

@Mod

- I think a few people need prods.

In the meantime,

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Onox

[VictorDeAngelo]

I think it's pretty clear your being asked for just scumreads here Wake and not for a solution for the game.

Any reason your not currently voting anyone?

[VictorDeAngelo]

If your town, no one would expect you to have the scum 100% pegged at this point.

If your scum, no one would expect you to simply out your entire team for our convenience.

Even if you don't like the Bjc vote thing, I can't believe you find nothing else in this thread to worth a vote.

Guys, can we get some more votes on Wake please.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Even if you don't like the Bjc vote thing, I can't believe you find nothing else in this thread to worth a vote.

What I don't understand is why you're pushing me to vote for someone. I think I'll vote for someone when I want to, because in past games Towns have mislynched people while I was sleeping. As mentioned before, I've got some townreads and some scumreads on players, but nothing that's really worth a serious vote yet. If I cast a serious vote, there's a possibility Scum will jump on the wagon and see Scum lynched. It's happened before in other games, so I don't fully understand why you appear to think we shouldn't be more cautious.

There's nothing wrong with simply voting a scumread day 1. So what if players get mislynched. It's not the end of the world this early and we get the information from the lynch itself. We're already half way though the allotted time toDay and I really don't like sitting back and just saying "oh I have some reads but I don't interested in pushing any of them."

For what it's worth I find you pushing me to cast a vote suspicious, but like with other things that doesn't really seem like enough to commit a serious vote on. We need more discussion before I can start getting a better feel for players in this game.

We have 14 pages already, just how much conversation do you think you'll need before you develop a strong enough feeling on someone to call them scum?

Have you ever played with Flubbermugget or Skipping Stars before? I have no idea what to look for in their metas.

Only ongoing games and no respectively. But seriously if I'm acting so suspiciously why even ask me this?

Victor, what's your reads on AbboTT and reinoe?

I've played with reinoe before but I haven't taken notes on his scumplay. Unfamiliar with AbboTT.

AbboTT is null, Reinoe is still scum. What are your current opinions on them?

One thing I noticed is that you ignored the contents of my posts you were speaking about, in that you seemed to have glossed over what I mentioned about you and other players.

To be fair, most your comments have trivial and have deserved to be glossed over.

You completely ignored my 334 about your 69 and 110.

What exactly did you want to comment on - your question about whether I was serious about it being me, bjc and the last scum in lylo. I assumed you would cleared that up yourself by reading the thread and applying some thought.

I think Town deserves some sort of answer from you, because your silence doesn't exactly give off townvibes to me. You should make an attempt to explain yourself, if you are in fact a Townie.

And yet I don't see anyone town giving it the slightest bit of thought. I don't know why.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Flubber what's your current read on Wake?

[VictorDeAngelo]

Not the response I was expecting to be honest, but there you go.

Ok Flubber, if you don't like what Wake's doing (and by the way he has definitely played mafia here before) and want to see more then why haven't you been pressuring him?

[VictorDeAngelo]

I got the ball rolling. And you took over. But again, how come you can only grill the "new" guy?

Where did the ball rolling? How is Wake the "new guy" exactly?

[VictorDeAngelo]

Not the response I was expecting to be honest, but there you go.

Ok Flubber, if you don't like what Wake's doing (and by the way he has definitely played mafia here before) and want to see more then why haven't you been pressuring him?

What were you expecting?

I was expecting Flubber to have him somewhere between null to town, given how he felt my pressure on Wake was disingenuous.

Also, why are you asking Flubber as opposed to anyone else?

Seemed relevant to discussion we were having. And most people have weighed in on Wake already.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I was kinda hoping that 382 and 383 was the start of a flurry of activity off Peabody. Sigh.

I was the first to challenge his perceived ignorance.

Did you know that at the point you challenged his perceived ignorance there were already three votes on Wake - including mine? That's hardly getting the ball rolling, more jumping in once the wagon's in swing.

And that perceived ignorance is why I keep putting "new guy" In quotes.

376 made it sound more like you're unsure if he's played before, not that trying to make a subtle dig.

Your posting is just not adding up.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

[VictorDeAngelo]

Warning to all, I believe that may be L-1 on Flubber.

@Mod

- Votecount.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Vote Count 1.XX

Mod Notes:
The last vote was not counted due to lack of unvote as per Fuzzy's earlier notice

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Flubber

@Mod

- Can you clarify whether that's the fifth or sixth vote on Flubber please

[VictorDeAngelo]

Yep, the Rufflig is scum. That read list was weaksauce. Kinda pissed that I let flubber's derpiness distract me yesterday.

VOTE: The Rufflig

And if I'm right on Rufflig, I'm fairly sure Reinoe is his scumbuddy based on how quickly she grabbed the Flubber hammer yesterday. There's still three players (Cerberus/Peabody/Saki) that I want to hear more from but I have a feeling the last scum is among one of those is three.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I believe third answer you were looking for was EPA Rufflig.

PEdit: You wait till I think of a clever response and then finish your post. Damn you scum.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Would you like to question me about any of my reads, Victor?

Since you asked:

Good morning.

I was able to go through the entire thread, although I'm still digesting parts of it.

TobyLoby, bjc and Reinoe stood out as town.

1

I'm leaning town on Cerberus and Peabody.

skipping_on_stars is Null and I would like to hear from her replacement. ( I looked at S_o_S's one other game - she was force replaced out of her newbie game for inactivity).
I can't read Boonskiies - it seems to be an intentional play style. slight scum read

2

Abbott: leaning scum. I would have said likely scum if he hadn't flaked.

3

VictordeAngelo and Clusk: likely scum

1

You've gone into why on your scumreads, let's have some detail on why these guys are town.

2

Why is a guy your unable to read lean scum?

3

What about the flakiness affects your scumread on him?

Rufflig, whom exactly did you replace?

Seriously, you've talked about lynching the Onox/Wake slot in every post in the day but at no point did you think to actually look at which player was in said slot. Nor did you read Rufflig's t/s list and think "hmmm, he didn't mention the Onox/Wake slot, I wonder why?".

I mean I would almost credit for your distancing this game, but this sort of stuff is amateur hour.

'm taken aback that you actually are admitting you wanted a third reason for your scum read on Victor and didn't know what that third reason was until two minutes later.

Why are you contriving a case?

I thought interrupting my post to write that I was working on it was humorous.

Yep, so humorous you had to stop what you were doing to respond.

I'm gonna wait to hear what Cerebus has to say but I get the feeling that that's where the lynch will going today. But Rufflig needs to be tomorrow in that case. Then Reinoe.

[VictorDeAngelo]

1) The only one of those that I'm at all interested in discussing with you is Reinoe. We both agree that bjc is town. You've said zip about Toby, so I assume you don't think he's scum. Since we have no disagreement on bjc or Toby, I decline to waste my time trying to convince you of what you already believe. I'll make a separate post on Reinoe.

I'm less interested in your convincing me of why their town, more wanting to show your reasoning. Something more in depth than they seemed town.

2) I mentioned this already: Boonskiies appears to be

intentionally

making himself unreadable.

Take a look at his play today so far - it has been defensive/reactive. I had to ask him about his suspects. He was able to list 3. However, he has not voted any of them. He has not questioned any of them.

On the plus side, he has stated why he is against voting a few players. I maintain that this is a play style choice that makes him hard to read. The only reason for such a play style is to make it difficult for anyone to tell when he is scum. As such, I choose not to read him as null nor am I going to assume town.

You see the bolded is a valid reason to scumread someone. However all of it came after your list. As for playstyle, have you looked into whether Boonskiis plays similarly in his other games?
This reads as though your trying to justify the read after you've decided who was scum. I sense similar to what you did with your other reads.

3) I covered this already today. Post #460

But siteflaking is a never alignment indictive. Why would you let that affect your scumread on a slot?

[VictorDeAngelo]

I didn't have to look at Boonskiies other games, there was a discussion of Boonskiies early day 1 including his play style.

None of which concluded that him being trolly meant he was scum, unless I missed something.

Site flaking part 2.
One doesn't just get up one day and say "I'm going to site flake". It manifests in one of two ways: 1) no interest in playing 2) RL interfering. Sometimes a combination of the two. Except in the case of RL emergencies, this lack of desire to play or not having enough time to play manifests itself in behaviors that looks scummy prior to the actual site flake. A lot of my scum reading of Abbott came from these behaviors. The site flake invalidates a lot of that read on his behavior; therefore, he isn't as scummy as I initially thought.

Uh what.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Site flaking part 2.
One doesn't just get up one day and say "I'm going to site flake". It manifests in one of two ways: 1) no interest in playing 2) RL interfering. Sometimes a combination of the two. Except in the case of RL emergencies, this lack of desire to play or not having enough time to play manifests itself in behaviors that looks scummy prior to the actual site flake. A lot of my scum reading of Abbott came from these behaviors. The site flake invalidates a lot of that read on his behavior; therefore, he isn't as scummy as I initially thought.

No seriously, what behaviour of Abbott's looks scummy but then looks less scummy if he site flakes. This makes no sense.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I'm assuming the deadline is getting corrected. No rush to vote from me.

Re: Reinoe

Post #89: R chastises Victor over reading bjc's play style as scummy. He goes on to state that Victor knows better having played with bjc before.
R caught a cheap shot by V.

Except I never said that bjc's playstyle was scummy, so your basically given Reinoe townpoints for misrepping another player.

Post 113: R posts his feelings on V and asks two other players their opinion on V.
This is scum hunting. Trying to figure out other player's alignments.

Or scum trying to push for an early mislynch.

Post 201, 2, 4, & 5: Green! He pushed what he perceives as a scum slip. Asks why others feel different. He is still feeling alignments out.

Hold up. You didn't think much of the whole 'green' slip when Clusk and Boonskiies pushed it. But Reinoe on the other hand is town for his push. Seems like a double standard.

Post 216: Analysis: states those who jumped onto bjc early were more likely to be town than those who jumped on later. He has a point here, if bjc is scum. Since he thinks so, no problems here. A problem would occur if he thought bjc was town - in which case scum might be eager to jump on a townie and would be on the wagon sooner. Asks V his thoughts. Again, Reinoe is still trying to feel players out.
*Additional thoughts*: While there is no sample vanilla townie role pm in the opening posts, this doesn't mean that the scum did not receive one - either in their scum role pms or by scum request to the mod.

Actually he doesn't say that at all, instead he attacks the analyse that your liking here.

Post 225: Asks Toby to vote bjc. Look - more feeling out other players and attempting to get a lynch on his main suspect.

Post 230: Still arguing that he caught a scum slip. Still pushing towards a lynch.

Post 237, 8 & 9: Still pushing his ideas bjc slipped up on the role pm claim and that bjc should be lynched

Unless bjc flips scum I don't see how any of this really determines alignment.

Post 259: Meta argument. Still pushing.
*Additional note* Meta scum arguments rarely sway me. I've yet to be in a game where one has been proven correct. Meta scum arguments are always wrong.

Post 267 & 72: Still pushing

Post 271: Feeling out Toby again.

Post 275 & 6: Moves on to probing Onox.

Post 278: Probes Clusk

Post 295: Continues pushing his main scum read

Post 320 & 2: Changes mind on Onox -- read progression!

Post 363: Starts changing mind on bjc and Flubber -- more read progressions!

Post 371, 9, & 80: Starts pushing his new main suspect Onox. Finalizes his read change on Flubber.

Post 394: Starts pushing Flubber

Sigh, I realise now this isn't a case, you've just ISOed him and written a quick summary for each post. Simply doing stuff isn't an indication that someone is town.

That should be more than enough. In nearly every post, Reinoe is either pushing his scum suspects toward lynch or feeling out players to determine their alignment. The read progressions occur and seem natural.

Your case is simply quantity over quality. Nearly all the posts your referenced are null tells but have been included to make it look like you have substantial reasoning for your read.

Your turn, Victor. What don't you like about Reinoe?

I think a lot will be more apparent when there a few flips in the game, but otherwise I don't think I have much to add that wouldn't be repeating myself. Giving how this towncase feels just like your other cases (i.e. produced after the fact) I don't think it's worth getting into a longer discussion.

None of which concluded that him being trolly meant he was scum, unless I missed something.

No more than a person wearing a ski mask as he enters a bank makes that person a bank robber.

Not if said person always enters the bank wearing ski mask. Then your reacting to nothing.

Site flaking part 2.
One doesn't just get up one day and say "I'm going to site flake". It manifests in one of two ways: 1) no interest in playing 2) RL interfering. Sometimes a combination of the two. Except in the case of RL emergencies, this lack of desire to play or not having enough time to play manifests itself in behaviors that looks scummy prior to the actual site flake. A lot of my scum reading of Abbott came from these behaviors. The site flake invalidates a lot of that read on his behavior; therefore, he isn't as scummy as I initially thought.

No seriously, what behaviour of Abbott's looks scummy but then looks less scummy if he site flakes. This makes no sense.

It's because he's scum with cerberus. Stop worrying about it.

You two are just trolling me now, right? On the off-hand case that you aren't, I've only have one thing left to say. False positives.
That should make things abundantly clear. The things I thought were scummy in Abbott's iso may not have been caused by alignment but rather by his lack of time brought on by RL. Really, it is that simple. Don't over think it. We're done here.

You know what I don't see the point arguing further unless there's still people in the game that think you could be town.

@Everyone

- Anyone think Rufflig is town?

Victor, seriously, stop goofing around. Put your vote on cerberus. We all know he's scum. Just look at that username. What kind of townie would have the name of a demondog? I can't believe I didn't realize it on the previous gameday.

Why the rush to get votes on Cerebus? There are still players who haven't posted yet today.

[VictorDeAngelo]

okay I'm busier than I thought I'll post later

Hey, Saki, do you often replace into games when you don't time to contribute? Because I really hate how your slot has not done a damn thing all game.

@Victor: I'm looking at behavior and intent. The actual arguments are secondary and whether I think the arguments hold any water comes in third.

Then why reference everything. Why not just highlight townie play. Cause right now I'm seeing nothing particularly townie in Reinoe's iso or you summation of his posts.

This is why I tracked Reinoe's behavior over a long list of posts. Even if you think this is not a good way to determine alignment, you've not stated why you think Reinoe is scum.

You've only established why you think the way I'm going about determining alignment is wrong. So, do you have a case against Reinoe or not?

Read through my posts. Hell even some the points in last you glossed over should help you work out why I think Reinoe is your scumbuddy.

I think the long night sucked out some momentum, but I've noticed a few mods in the replacement queue looking for a bunch of replacements at once. These players are flaking or being lamers on their own accord.

Gonna barn this. The game really isn't worth my energy right now.

:crickets:

Victor, can you explain why you switched to Flibbertigibbet (aka Flubber)? I don't get your progression there. Why did you think he was scummy up to that point?

There just seemed a ton inconsistency on Wake - going after me for mainly pressuring Onox yet then claiming he was also scumreading him (despite the vote), the claim it was him who got the ball rolling when there was already a wagon before he even mentioned anything about Wake being scum and then the way he went from mildly suspecting something was up to saying that knew that he was faking being new all along - I got paranoid that he was scum and made a bad call.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Did you think he was scum along with Wake or scummy separate from Wake?

Both were possible, the interactions simply pointed to an inconsistent read which can come from both.

Then why reference everything. Why not just highlight townie play. Cause right now I'm seeing nothing particularly townie in Reinoe's iso or you summation of his posts.

Why did I give you the long version? Unbelievable. Let's review!

let's have some detail on why these guys are town.

I'm less interested in your convincing me of why their town, more wanting to show your reasoning. Something more in depth than they seemed town.

You wanted in depth, you got in depth.

No, I got post designed to create the illusion of depth. I already pointed out how virtually none of your points could really justify a townread (or actually any read at all).

this towncase feels just like your other cases (i.e. produced after the fact)

You wanted to see how I came to the conclusion. I showed you in depth and in detail how I arrived at it. You then complain that my work supports my original conclusion? What did you expect my work would show?

It's funny how your pulling our fragmants of my post, but didn't go after any of the rebuttals to your so called points. You act pissed off that I dismissed your attempt at a towncase, but clearly I didn't expect you to give me a scumcase but I did want to see if there was anything in your posting that looked like it would help a player form a natural townread. Instead the case felt forced and fake. Ergo, I do not buy that you are really reading the game and forming opinions like a town player would.

:O

Way to active lurk Boon.

It was a reads test. I was waiting to see how you'd respond.

I repeat to all those who are voting him, I'm not claiming to have had night results incriminating cerberus.

The test would have been a lot better if he had been around to post more though.

My thoughts regarding how he responded:

Both replies by Cerberus48 appeared as if he didn't know I was implying I may have had a night action which incriminated. His first post could have been just feigning ignorance. And his long absence from the thread could have indicated that he was avoiding it because he simply didn't know how to respond. However, I feel that a scum!Cerberus would have recognized immediately what I'm implying. The drawn out response in 525 is much better, and his response is congruent with a town response. I was hoping for a stronger read, but cerberus is also a weak town read.

Yeah these sort of tests fail when half the game is not around to respond. Still not entirely convinced by Cerberus, even if there isn't a guilty against him, I want to see a lot more off him as he is another sticking to the background.

As for you Peabody, what did you make of the other players responses to your test?

you really need to not use the 'night' icon for the game because I keep thinking this game is in night and I don't have to post

Well you seemed to have figured out we're in day. Now post something. Here, have some encouragement:

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Saki

That said, it's depressing how few are still playing this game.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I'm showing I am keeping up on the thread, and if I have anything to add, I'll say it. Also, it allows you to ask me anything and know I'll read it.

Yeah, but your literally forcing everyone else to have to work to get any information out of you. Sharing the occasional insight, even if it's already been mentioned will help. But let me ask you this:

If you were to vote anyone right now, who would it be and why?

(and yes I know how lazy and simple a question this is, but it's as good a place to start as any)

[VictorDeAngelo]

Rufflig

- I'm done with you. Half of your last post wasn't even true and you seem to selective reading my posts so I see no more reason to engage beyond this.

At least I'll get the townpoints when you flip scum.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Boon, if you had a daykill right now would you should either of them?

[VictorDeAngelo]

Boon, if you had a daykill right now would you

shoot

either of them?

Sorry, now it makes sense.

[VictorDeAngelo]

that's an awesome reason to vote someone

...oh wait

Assuming you mean Toby's vote it's a fine reason to vote. You can't just sit around and make excuses not to play.

Kinda funny how Rufflig suddenly wants to respond to my post now I've told him I'm done.

@Evil Regals

- What is your opinion on Peabody/Rufflig?

@Boonskiis

- You didn't answer my last question.

[VictorDeAngelo]

In before flip.

Wow, suddenly there's action. I gotta get to work, so I may not get chance to read everything til this evening when the thread will probably be locked (remember to actually lock this time Fuzzy :p)

Still think there's a good chance Reinoe is scum with Rufflig, just scum with a well breaded fakeclaim. Liking Rainbow and Hostile from the first posts I read off them. Unsure on Evil's right now. Boon has been pushing his luck too (if there was a 1-shot cop wouldn't they pick a slot that's hard to read like his rather than a slot which was pretty much obvscum).

Laters.

[VictorDeAngelo]

And there was me about to tunnel hard on Reinoe.

@Mod

- Cerberus hasn't been online in a week is being replaced?

In the meantime I want more pressure on Saki to play this game. He is around and playing elsewhere.

VOTE: Saki

[VictorDeAngelo]

Why would you tunnel on Renioe, Victor?

You do realize his gambit was against someone you were scum reading all day?

And it worked but I didn't really believe Reinoe was a cop and if he was forced to retract today I would pushed his mislynch. I still I could have got Ruffling lynched anyway

I don't care about the vote on Saki either. It's a throwaway vote if you say it's about pressure.

Not at all, I made my feelings clear about the Saki slot yesterday, and if you look back at the post you'll probably pick out the second reason as well.

Do you have any associative tells on Ruffling, Victor?

Perhaps, but I would like to see your post first.

[VictorDeAngelo]

VOTE: Victor

VOTE: Victor

VOTE: Victor

I repeat...

VOTE: VICTOR

I swear, it's almost as if you no credibility. Am I going to have to call a policy lynch on you or you stop being an idiot.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Not just voting me, but refusing to do anything else in this game.

And it's policy cause I'm not convinced your scum but I am convinced your an idiot.

[VictorDeAngelo]

The bjc wagon is quite interesting now I know that Reinoe and Flubber are both town. It's unlikely scum would leave such a promising wagon alone, unless it was a scum wagon - and I still think it's unlikely Clusk/Boon would jump as confidently if either is scum. I want to see more the Rainbow Dash slot until I'm sure, and given there's no other town powers known yet I wonder whether there's any value in a massclaim today.

Evil Regals attempt to move people away from the Rufflig lynch yesterday, coupled with the fact she neglected to mention him despite him being center attention until I prodded is a little suspicious as well.

Saki refuses to post here despite posting elsewhere, which is reason enough for a lynch in my book (especially since the previous roles occupant also lurked).

Cerebus is the last question mark. He hasn't done a lot all game and really should be replaced at this point.

I reckon the scum are in these four.

[VictorDeAngelo]

UNVOTE:

You know what, fuck it, I aint gonna do anything in this game til Boon explains wtf he's doing.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I'm back

Thank god, I was really worried this thread didn't have anyone sitting around nothing.

Maybe if we all wish hard enough Cerebus will come back as well.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Hey Boon, if your around why don't tell everyone why your voting for me.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Fine, then on a scale from 0-100% how sure are you that I'm scum?

[VictorDeAngelo]

Obviously that question requires some thinking.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Fine, then on a scale from 0-100% how sure are you that I'm scum?

So I ask this, and in response Boon produces this:

You're right. Okay. Backing up a bit, we all kind of backed off of the role pm stuff when Bjc was here. I actually do believe it was indicative of alignment, and that the slot is scum. There was too many mishaps in the posting. If it was only one, I would probably let it slide. But it was more...

Peabody - I have super town read at this point. Also had a town read on Kush before him.

VictorDeAngelo - Meh.

Clusk/Hostile Intent - Strong town read due to the role pm, and I think was early trapped into a wagon along with Flubb because of Bjc's slot.

Boonskiies - Townie mc town town.

Cerberus - Kind of fell off the radar for me. I have no read.

TobyLoby - I guess town.

Which leaves one or both of the scum here.

Skipping_on_Stars Saki - Null
AbboTT Evil Regal - Null
Bjc Rainbow Dash - Scum

VOTE: Rainbow Dash

Because why get in back and forth with me, especially after it ended so well for Rufflig. Forget the green thing Boon is being scummy as fuck here, and if Evil is scum I would suppose Boon is her buddy for this deflection away.

The only thing holding me back is the continued blank slots of Saki/Cerebus.

@FUZZY

- Can we get a replacement on Cerebus already.

[VictorDeAngelo]

All my scum/null reads aren't posting. I'm bored.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I'm not sure what Evil's reasoning is, but I doubt it's a meta based read.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I'm not sure what Evil's reasoning is, but I doubt it's a meta based read.

Why is that?

1. She claimed her townread on Rufflig was based on meta. Since she was wrong there, if she was town she wouldn't have any reason to trust her metareading further.
2. She doesn't know me so she can't claim to have a meta read on me.

So I can't see how she is able use anyone's meta to determine my alignment.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I'm not sure what Evil's reasoning is, but I doubt it's a meta based read.

Why is that?

1. She claimed her townread on Rufflig was based on meta. Since she was wrong there, if she was town she wouldn't have any reason to trust her metareading further.
2. She doesn't know me so she can't claim to have a meta read on me.

So I can't see how she is able use anyone's meta to determine my alignment.

does.. no one.. ever read.. sigs...

like seriously.

hi VDA I'm mala.

yes now I dare you to say that I don't know you.

Do you, cause I don't see anything saying "Hi, I'm Mala" in your sig.

You do know me, we have played scum together and we are playing another ongoing game. Hardly valid to claim any sort of meta.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I really feel frustrated because I think your scum but I don't want take pressure off Saki in case slips through the cracks of this game any further.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Lol, ok Mala.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Evil Regals

P.S. If anyone has a spare vigshot please remove Saki from the game with it.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Victor, why the Regal vote right now? Out of everything why now? I am not seeing the connection here.

The meta read is nonsense. And Mala is right, there is a town game in our past I'd forgotton (Touhou) but ultimately there is nothing in my meta to suggest I'm scum and I find the notion I've kept under the radar this game ludicrous. She's pretty much hoping she use this false meta and Boon's derpiness to get people to wagon me. She's scum.

FTR Saki is still my choice for the third scum but I'd rather the scum lying about me than the scum who decided not to play this game as soon as he saw red on the role pm.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Did we win?

[VictorDeAngelo]

Wooooooo

[VictorDeAngelo]

Only two scum?

[VictorDeAngelo]

But I have so much love for you Toby.

I don't know if two setups like this can be that balanced. Scum have need four mislynches to win and it can be a lot of work if one scum dies early. If I was in Evil's shoes and Wake had been lynched day one, I don't know if I would have had the desire to go on.

Is there a dead chat for this game?