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In post 15, Riddleton wrote:So you're saying right now "If I look really scummy it's because I'm actually town". Right.
VOTE: Csareo
In post 18, Riddleton wrote:Your post was awful. Why would a townsperson come along D1 and say "Oh, by the way I look really scummy. But don't vote me"
In post 16, Riddleton wrote:Not RVS vote.
In post 22, Riddleton wrote:My town meta looks scummy to "new" players.
I am not a new player. I've likely being playing mafia longer than you have. I just don't like your playstyle.
In post 25, Riddleton wrote:
You said that you "often will play scum/stupid to stir reactions out of people.".
I'm not against people having their own quirks -- I have them too -- but I think that particular "strategy" is detrimental to the town. I don't like that. I think that's only going to make you more likely to get lynched and less likely to get any information. But each to their own.
In post 28, dybeck wrote:
One thing you must know about me is that I policy lynch people who use phrases like "very unique"
In post 40, Aegor wrote:Sheeping ABR as a cover for my real reason for voting.
In post 45, dybeck wrote:In post 42, Csareo wrote:UNVOTE: Hep
VOTE: Aegor]
Dude, don't say something extremely vague and suspicious, and ignore people when you're asked to clarify.
Anti town as shit itself.
Did you just start a healthy RVS wagon and then as soon as it started to build up some momentum, deliberately jump off before it put its target under pressure? UNVOTE: VOTE: Csareo
In post 48, dybeck wrote:In post 46, Csareo wrote:In post 45, dybeck wrote:In post 42, Csareo wrote:UNVOTE: Hep
VOTE: Aegor]
Dude, don't say something extremely vague and suspicious, and ignore people when you're asked to clarify.
Anti town as shit itself.
Did you just start a healthy RVS wagon and then as soon as it started to build up some momentum, deliberately jump off before it put its target under pressure? UNVOTE: VOTE: Csareo
Mate, we use RVS to stir discussion.
RVS ends as soon as discussion begins, and scum hunting can start.
I would rather pressure Aegor into telling me what his sentence started.
A couple questions come to mind...
1. Why did you say I started the wagon? I hardly would count that as starting a wagon.
2. Why was the wagon healthy?
3. What information did you expect him to give? RVS isn't about having other players out information, rather than stirring discussion in the hopes of scum tells.
4. If the wagon was healthy, why weren't you on it?
@Townies, what are your thoughts on post #38? Am I overthinking this?
OK I think scumhunting just started. The whole point of the RVS is that nobody responds to anything unless a few votes are thrown around. And it's much better to have them focused in a few directions rather than flat across the board. Early wagons are healthy. I don't think I ever suggested that I wanted the wagonee to spew game information, nor that everyone in the game should be on it, so I'm not sure why you're misrepresenting in that way, but your post gave the impression to me that you'd found some excuse to sneak off from a wagon before it bore any fruit or caused any discomfort for its target, and I think it's worth calling you on it. If one of you flips scum, I will be taking long looks at the other.
In post 50, hephaestus wrote:
I would still like to hear about your suggestion that there were two RVS wagons. Did you really think there were two or were you playing "scum/stupid"?
What are you thinking? Why do you think scum would say something like that, if they had an ulterior motive for voting, rather than just pretending it's an RVS vote?
Then why did you participate?
You think dybeck pulled a scum tell out of thin air, but you seem pretty convinced he's town. Am I wrong? Or do you already have a read on him?
In post 55, hephaestus wrote:In post 35, Csareo wrote:Joining on one of the two wagons (move faster game). Don't worry, I randomized it.
VOTE: hephaestus
There was one vote on you at this point
This comment came when there was three votes on me, so..........
1=1
Yay maths, amirite?
Okay, well this is odd reasoning.
Yes, at one point there was one vote on me, but that was way before this discussion started.
Relevance? Because post #50 came once I had 3 votes on the Csar.
In post 53, Csareo wrote:Can
you show me where I said it was an RVS vote? It was a thought out vote for Aegor to clarify.
I was talking about Aegor's vote. I'm getting the feeling you're the one who isn't reading.
You quoted me, addressing me. You should do one of two things when talking about Aegor.....
- SAY you're talking about Aegor
- Use an @Aegor
I reread post #50, and am very confused by the above quote. Let's just move on and not clog the forum, unless you have something left to say.
In post 54, Csareo wrote: What made you think I thought he was town? Please answer ASAP.
In post 49, Csareo wrote:Narrow minded thinking is the downfall of town.
In post 58, Ythill wrote:
@Csaereo:In post 35, you mentioned two wagons and claimed that you randomized which one to vote. When asked about it later, you claimed the other wagon was on you. Did you flip a coin to decide whether to self-vote? If not, what did you mean?
In post 60, hephaestus wrote:There weren't any votes on Albert
In post 63, Aegor wrote:In post 41, Csareo wrote:In post 40, Aegor wrote:Sheeping ABR as a cover for my real reason for voting.
What is your real reason for voting? Sorry, but you're leaving me very confused.
This sentence is confusing and makes little sense.
In post 42, Csareo wrote:UNVOTE: Hep
VOTE: Aegor]
Dude, don't say something extremely vague and suspicious, and ignore people when you're asked to clarify.
Anti town as shit itself.
It was part of a masterplan in which I would fakeclaim Day Cop with a guilty on NicCage and then see what happened. I decided against it because I was worried that given the playerlist and my unfamiliarity with most of it, the potential real Cop would counterclaim, not realizing that I was not serious, and out himself. So...I improvised.
Still fine with my vote, though.
In post 79, Ythill wrote:I think dybeck meant Csareo and heph, not Csareo and Aegor. What's funny is, when I agreed, I thought he meant Csaereo and Riddle (which was C's first vote). Csareo + heph doesn't seem as likely to me.
@Csareo:I voted you because you still haven't explained the "two wagon" thing in a way that makes sense as something other than a slip.
In post 82, Riddleton wrote:I think Csareo's Random Wagon post was stupid.
In post 83, Riddleton wrote:Csareo's Wagon post: #35
Your comments/reads: #58
You considered him to be town but only slightly then, after he made the 'random wagon' post.
Later on you say it's scum and vote him. (#70) Why the sudden change in stance?
In post 88, Riddleton wrote:I never was implying you thought Heph was town.
In post 135, Riddleton wrote:#121- How come daytalk speculation is WIFOM? I am new to this site. I haven't been on mafiascum for 7 years like you have. Is it default in all games, standard, ect.? I don't know how things work here. Asking these questions is absolutely essential for catching scum.
Most speculations of any sort (night kills, daytalk etc) are WIFOM. It's my personal opinion in that I hate WIFOM. It accomplishes nothing and just serves to distract people. I consider it a scum tactic most of the time.
In post 137, Ythill wrote:@Csareo:I'm guessing the reason TSO wasn't suspicious of my vote is because it's not suspicious. You made what looked like a slip and you still haven't adequately excused it. Full (and IMO unnecessary) explanation in #99. Nuff said.
Daytalk speculation isn't WIFOM. Trying to call it a scum or town tell is.
It's cute that you're acting like I'm under pressure when you're the one two votes from lynch.
In post 149, hephaestus wrote:In post 138, Csareo wrote:You made an entire post to debunk the logic Kid A later restated........................
You keep saying this, but I'm actually not sure which post you're referring to? Could you specify?
Also, sorry to go on and on about this, but you're still lying about the "two wagons" thing and I still want to know why.
In post 152, T S O wrote:Csareo, do you think agreeing with someone's implication is a scumtell or something?
It's not remotely close to a scumtell.
In post 154, T S O wrote:In post 58, Ythill wrote:Csareo, who looked very townie at first, is starting to slip a little./quote]
This is the pretext for him changing his stance. Either he's town or you believe he was scum who was being remarkably careful about showing organic reads. If it's the latter, then why? What reason does scum-Ythill have to do this? It's a lot of work for meagre reward.
In post 159, Riddleton wrote:I still prefer Csareo as a lynch today.
In post 173, Riddleton wrote:I never once said you were town.
In post 175, hephaestus wrote:That sounds like it's basically omgus
In post 179, Aegor wrote:Csareo, what is a policy vote?
In post 282, Elias_the_thief wrote:So um. Csareo has posted on-site quite recently...