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Post Post #768 (isolation #0) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:36 am

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Post Post #777 (isolation #1) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:54 pm

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DAY 1 Vote count analysis:
Spoiler: Part 1
VC 1.01

Flames682
(4) -
Tammy
, phokdapolees,
Elias_the_thief
, AGar
rack (1) - Aneninen
Tammy
(1) -
Flames682

AGar (1) - implosion
implosion (1)
shaddowez

Not Voting (5) - Riabi,
chaoslord54
, Malakittens, tman2nd, rack

VC 1.02

Flames682
(3) -
Tammy
,
Elias_the_thief
, AGar
rack (2) - Aneninen, implosion
Tammy
(2) -
Flames682
, phokdapolees
tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
AGar (1) - rack
Riabi (1) - tman2nd
implosion (1) -
shaddowez

Not Voting (1) -
chaoslord54


--> Flames RVS wagon gets hot. One thing stood out. Phok immediately left the wagon with This post. Looks like a soft chainsaw defense of Flames. But would scumbuddy chainsaw that early? A slight scummy for Phok in this regard.

Spoiler: Part 2
VC 1.03

rack (3) - Aneninen, implosion, tman2nd
Flames682
(2) -
Elias_the_thief
, AGar
tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
Malakittens (2) -
Tammy
, rack
Tammy
(1) - phokdapolees
phokdapolees (1) -
Flames682

implosion (1) -
shaddowez

Not Voting (1) -
chaoslord54


VC 1.04

rack (4) - Aneninen, implosion,
Elias_the_thief
, phokdapolees
phokdapolees (3) -
Flames682
,
shaddowez
, rack
tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
Flames682
(1) - AGar
Malakittens (1) -
Tammy

Not Voting (2) -
chaoslord54
, tman2nd

VC 1.05

rack (4) - Aneninen,
Elias_the_thief
, phokdapolees, tman2nd
phokdapolees (3) -
Flames682
,
shaddowez
, rack
Malakittens (2) -
Tammy
, implosion
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Flames682
(1) - AGar
Aneninen (1) - Malakittens
Not Voting (1) -
chaoslord54


VC 1.06

rack (5) - Aneninen,
Elias_the_thief
, phokdapolees, tman2nd,
Flames682

Malakittens (2) -
Tammy
, implosion
phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Flames682
(1) - AGar
Aneninen (1) - Malakittens
Not Voting (2) -
chaoslord54, shaddowez


--> Here is the build up of the counter wagon on rack. Phok was suddenly on this by the 4th count: This post, sheepish I would suppose. What's more interesting is that Flames hopped off Phok's wagon just when it started to pick up. Implosion was the opposite of Phok. He jumped off onto mala. If rack was town this makes implosion townish.

Spoiler: Part 3
VC 1.07

rack (5) - Aneninen, phokdapolees, tman2nd,
Flames682
,
chaoslord54

Malakittens (2) -
Tammy
, implosion
Aneninen (2) -
Malakittens
,
Elias_the_thief

phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Flames682
(1) - AGar
Not Voting (1) -
shaddowez


This part is interesting. As his wagon has just getting disbanded. I don't think Flame would have tried to buss supposedly scumbuddy here. Rack looks to be town from this VCA.

Spoiler: Part 4
VC 1.08

rack (3) - phokdapolees,
Flames682
,
chaoslord54

Flames682
(3) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen
Aneninen (2) - Malakittens,
Elias_the_thief

Malakittens (1) -
Tammy

phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Not Voting (2) -
shaddowez
, tman2nd

He is the moment where Flame's wagon picked up again. This part clears Ane to a large extent as it makes no sense that he would leave the first position on a mislynch to bus his partner.

Spoiler: Part 5
VC 1.09

Flames682
(4) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen, tman2nd
rack (2) - phokdapolees,
Flames682

Aneninen (2) - Malakittens,
Elias_the_thief

Malakittens (1) -
chaoslord54

phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Not Voting (2) -
shaddowez, Tammy


VC 1.10

Flames682
(5) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen, tman2nd,
Elias_the_thief

rack (2) - phokdapolees,
Flames682

Aneninen (1) - Malakittens
Malakittens (1) -
chaoslord54

phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Not Voting (2) -
shaddowez, Tammy


VC 1.11

Flames682
(5) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen, tman2nd,
shaddowez

rack (2) - phokdapolees,
Flames682

tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
Malakittens (1) -
chaoslord54

phokdapolees (1) - rack
Not Voting (2) -
Tammy, Elias_the_thief


VC 1.12

neil1113
(3) - AGar, Aneninen, tman2nd
rack (2) - phokdapolees,
neil1113

tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
Malakittens (1) -
chaoslord54

phokdapolees (1) - rack
Not Voting (4) -
Elias_the_thief, Tammy
, implosion,
shaddowez


VC 1.13

neil1113
(5) - AGar, Aneninen, phokdapolees, implosion,
chaoslord54

tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
rack (1) -
neil1113

phokdapolees (1) - rack
Not Voting (4) -
Elias_the_thief, Tammy, shaddowez
, tman2nd

VC 1.14

neil1113
(6) - AGar, Aneninen, phokdapolees, implosion,
chaoslord54
,
shaddowez

tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
rack (2) -
neil1113
,
Elias_the_thief

Not Voting (3) -
Tammy
, tman2nd, rack

VC 1.15

neil1113
(4) - AGar, phokdapolees,
chaoslord54
,
shaddowez

tman2nd (2) - Oso, Malakittens
rack (2) -
neil1113
,
Elias_the_thief

Not Voting (5) -
Tammy
, tman2nd, rack, Aneninen, implosion

VC 1.16

neil1113
(5) - AGar, phokdapolees,
chaoslord54, shaddowez
, Aneninen
tman2nd (2) - Oso, Malakittens
rack (2) -
neil1113
,
Elias_the_thief

Not Voting (4) -
Tammy
, tman2nd, rack, implosion

VC. 1.17

neil1113
(7) - AGar, phokdapolees,
chaoslord54, shaddowez
, Aneninen, implosion, Malakittens
rack (2) -
neil1113
,
Elias_the_thief

tman2nd (1) - Oso
Not Voting (3) -
Tammy
, tman2nd, rack

This is the part where the wagon stalled for so long before finally reaching the lynch on scum. This stall was no doubt intentional. There was a lot of unvote revote, especially when neil came into the game. For now, what I see most suspicious was implosion's activity. He seems to be unvoting whenever there is a burst in Flame's voting activity and yet always revote. It would make sense that implosion is not sure whether there will be a lynch on his buddy and thus, whether he should buss his buddy. I will spend more time looking at the specifics of this interaction. For now, implosion looks scummy from this.


For now I have to leave for appointment.
I'll come back with Day 2 analysis and Verdict soon.
Justice will prevail
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Post Post #778 (isolation #2) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:55 pm

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In post 25, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.01


Flames682
(4) - Tammy, phokdapolees, Elias_the_thief, AGar
rack
(1) - Aneninen
Tammy
(1) - Flames682
AGar
(1) - implosion
implosion
(1) shaddowez

Not Voting
(5) - Riabi, chaoslord54, Malakittens, tman2nd, rack

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

In post 58, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.02


Flames682
(3) - Tammy, Elias_the_thief, AGar
rack
(2) - Aneninen, implosion
Tammy
(2) - Flames682, phokdapolees
tman2nd
(2) - Riabi, Malakittens
AGar
(1) - rack
Riabi
(1) - tman2nd
implosion
(1) - shaddowez

Not Voting
(1) - chaoslord54

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

In post 83, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.03


rack
(3) - Aneninen, implosion, tman2nd
Flames682
(2) - Elias_the_thief, AGar
tman2nd
(2) - Riabi, Malakittens
Malakittens
(2) - Tammy, rack
Tammy
(1) - phokdapolees
phokdapolees
(1) - Flames682
implosion
(1) - shaddowez

Not Voting
(1) - chaoslord54

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

If you're an alt, please say so. I'm not going to make you tell me who your main is, but people should at least know if you are an alt or not.

In post 134, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.05


rack
(4) - Aneninen, Elias_the_thief, phokdapolees, tman2nd
phokdapolees
(3) - Flames682, shaddowez, rack
Malakittens
(2) - Tammy, implosion
tman2nd
(1) - Riabi
Flames682
(1) - AGar
Aneninen
(1) - Malakittens

Not Voting
(1) - chaoslord54

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

In post 156, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.06


rack
(5) - Aneninen, Elias_the_thief, phokdapolees, tman2nd, Flames682
Malakittens
(2) - Tammy, implosion
phokdapolees
(1) - rack
tman2nd
(1) - Riabi
Flames682
(1) - AGar
Aneninen
(1) - Malakittens

Not Voting
(2) - chaoslord54, shaddowez

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

In post 185, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.07


rack
(5) - Aneninen, phokdapolees, tman2nd, Flames682, chaoslord54
Malakittens
(2) - Tammy, implosion
Aneninen
(2) - Malakittens, Elias_the_thief
phokdapolees
(1) - rack
tman2nd
(1) - Riabi
Flames682
(1) - AGar

Not Voting
(1) - shaddowez

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

In post 229, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.08


rack
(3) - phokdapolees, Flames682, chaoslord54
Flames682
(3) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen
Aneninen
(2) - Malakittens, Elias_the_thief
Malakittens
(1) - Tammy
phokdapolees
(1) - rack
tman2nd
(1) - Riabi

Not Voting
(2) - shaddowez, tman2nd

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

In post 250, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.09


Flames682
(4) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen, tman2nd
rack
(2) - phokdapolees, Flames682
Aneninen
(2) - Malakittens, Elias_the_thief
Malakittens
(1) - chaoslord54
phokdapolees
(1) - rack
tman2nd
(1) - Riabi

Not Voting
(2) - shaddowez, Tammy

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

Tammy is V/LA until the 26th.



In post 248, chaoslord54 wrote:With this all being said I'm switching my vote
Vote:Malakittens
for now because I feel out of the two, it's better to get rid of her now and take down Rack tomorrow.

In post 0, SleepyKrew wrote:I would prefer if votes are on a separate line and flushed left

I'm more likely to miss a vote if it is in the middle of a line.

In post 275, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.10


Flames682
(5) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen, tman2nd, Elias_the_thief
rack
(2) - phokdapolees, Flames682
Aneninen
(1) - Malakittens
Malakittens
(1) - chaoslord54
phokdapolees
(1) - rack
tman2nd
(1) - Riabi

Not Voting
(2) - shaddowez, Tammy

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

Elias_the_thief is V/LA until the 24th.
Tammy is V/LA until the 26th.
Riabi is V/LA until the 27th.

In post 300, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.11


Flames682
(5) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen, tman2nd, shaddowez
rack
(2) - phokdapolees, Flames682
tman2nd
(2) - Riabi, Malakittens
Malakittens
(1) - chaoslord54
phokdapolees
(1) - rack

Not Voting
(2) - Tammy, Elias_the_thief

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

Elias_the_thief is V/LA until today.
Tammy is V/LA until the 26th.
Riabi is V/LA until the 27th.

tman2nd has been prodded.
I am beginning a replacement search for Flames682. If he posts before I find one, he keeps his slot.

In post 325, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.12


neil1113
(3) - AGar, Aneninen, tman2nd
rack
(2) - phokdapolees, neil1113
tman2nd
(2) - Riabi, Malakittens
Malakittens
(1) - chaoslord54
phokdapolees
(1) - rack

Not Voting
(4) - Elias_the_thief, Tammy, implosion, shaddowez

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

Elias_the_thief is V/LA until today.
Tammy is V/LA until the 26th.
Riabi is V/LA until the 27th.

phokdapolees has been prodded.

In post 350, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.13


neil1113
(5) - AGar, Aneninen, phokdapolees, implosion, chaoslord54
tman2nd
(2) - Riabi, Malakittens
rack
(1) - neil1113
phokdapolees
(1) - rack

Not Voting
(4) - Elias_the_thief, Tammy, shaddowez, tman2nd

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

Tammy is V/LA until the 26th.
Riabi is V/LA until the 27th.

In post 379, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.14


neil1113
(6) - AGar, Aneninen, phokdapolees, implosion, chaoslord54, shaddowez
tman2nd
(2) - Riabi, Malakittens
rack
(2) - neil1113, Elias_the_thief

Not Voting
(3) - Tammy, tman2nd, rack

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

Tammy is V/LA until today.
Riabi is V/LA until the 27th.

This VC was done on my phone; please let me know if there are any errors.

In post 400, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.15


neil1113
(4) - AGar, phokdapolees, chaoslord54, shaddowez
tman2nd
(2) - Oso, Malakittens
rack
(2) - neil1113, Elias_the_thief

Not Voting
(5) - Tammy, tman2nd, rack, Aneninen, implosion

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

neil1113 is V/LA for a few days. I'm going to try to get some more concrete dates.

In post 437, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.16


neil1113
(5) - AGar, phokdapolees, chaoslord54, shaddowez, Aneninen
tman2nd
(2) - Oso, Malakittens
rack
(2) - neil1113, Elias_the_thief

Not Voting
(4) - Tammy, tman2nd, rack, implosion

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-08-31 16:48:15)

neil1113 is V/LA for a few days. I'm going to try to get some more concrete dates.

In post 447, SleepyKrew wrote:
VC 1.17


neil1113
(7) - AGar, phokdapolees, chaoslord54, shaddowez, Aneninen, implosion, Malakittens

rack
(2) - neil1113, Elias_the_thief
tman2nd
(1) - Oso

Not Voting
(3) - Tammy, tman2nd, rack

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

neil1113 is V/LA for a few days. I'm going to try to get some more concrete dates.

Unfortunately, the flip will not happen until the morning. I can just feel the anticipation building.

In post 448, SleepyKrew wrote:Image

neil1113 has been lynched. He was a
Mafia Goon
.
Night 1 begins now. The deadline to submit actions is (expired on 2014-08-30 10:39:14).
I want everyone to PM me during the Night, regardless of if you have an action or not, so I can be sure you're all still active.

@Ane: NP or NPIAU. That's what they usually call me by ^^
Justice will prevail
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Post Post #779 (isolation #3) » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:56 pm

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~ Ugh. Please fix quote for me. Thanks Mod
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Post Post #790 (isolation #4) » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:00 pm

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In post 788, Aneninen wrote:@NPIAU: Have I skimmed over your conclusion or you haven't posted it yet?


Both. You have skimmed over the part where I said I have not made a conclusion yet :P
In post 777, nopointinactingup wrote:

For now I have to leave for appointment.
I'll come back with Day 2 analysis and Verdict soon.


For now, let's begin
Day 2 Vote count:
Spoiler: Part 1
VC 2.01

Oso (2) - AGar, implosion
chaoslord54
(1) - Malakittens
tman2nd (1) - Aneninen
Not Voting (7) - Oso,
chaoslord54
, phokdapolees,
shaddowez
, tman2nd,
Elias_the_thief
, rack

VC 2.02

Oso (2) - AGar, implosion
chaoslord54
(2) - Malakittens,
DeasVail

tman2nd (1) - Aneninen
Not Voting (6) - Oso,
chaoslord54
, phokdapolees,
shaddowez,
tman2nd, rack

VC 2.03

chaoslord54
(4) - Malakittens,
DeasVail
, phokdapolees,
shaddowez

Oso (2) - AGar, implosion
tman2nd (1) - Aneninen
phokdapolees (1) - Oso
Not Voting (3) -
chaoslord54
, tman2nd, Grandi

There's not really much definite conclusion to see on this day since there's no flipped scum. However, some circumstantial and relational information can be gathered here. Until this VC, the wagon had moved from Oso/Bipolar to my slot. The first thing we could see is that
Implosion is unlikely scumnected to Oso/Bipolar
(Assuming standard 3-scum. Having lost first partner, I don't think scum would go at each other on Day 2). However, Phok, if scum,
would likely be scumnected to Oso/Bipolar
since he had the vote which created the competing wagon on my slot. Although that vote looks justified.


Spoiler: Part 2
VC 2.04

chaoslord54
(3) - Malakittens, phokdapolees,
shaddowez

BipolarChemist (2) - AGar, implosion
tman2nd (1) - Aneninen
phokdapolees (1) - BipolarChemist
shaddowez
(1) -
DeasVail

Not Voting (3) -
chaoslord54
, tman2nd, Grandi

VC 2.05

shaddowez
(3) -
DeasVail
, implosion, AGar
ZZZX
(2) - Malakittens, phokdapolees
phokdapolees (1) - BipolarChemist
Not Voting (5) -
ZZZX
, tman2nd, sthar8,
shaddowez,
Aneninen

VC 2.06

shaddowez
(3) -
DeasVail
, implosion, AGar
ZZZX
(2) - Malakittens, phokdapolees
phokdapolees (1) - BipolarChemist
Not Voting (5) -
ZZZX
, tman2nd, sthar8,
shaddowez
, Aneninen

VC 2.07

shaddowez
(3) -
DeasVail
, implosion, AGar
ZZZX
(2) - Malakittens, phokdapolees
phokdapolees (1) - BipolarChemist
BipolarChemist (1) - Aneninen
DeasVail
(1) -
shaddowez

Not Voting (3) - ZZZX, tman2nd, sthar8

VC 2.08

shaddowez
(3) -
DeasVail
, implosion, AGar
ZZZX
(2) - Malakittens, phokdapolees
DeasVail
(2) - shaddowez, BipolarChemist
BipolarChemist (1) - Aneninen
Not Voting (3) -
ZZZX
, notscience, sthar8

VC 2.09

shaddowez (3) -
DeasVail,
implosion, AGar
ZZZX
(2) - Malakittens, phokdapolees
DeasVail
(2) -
shaddowez
, BipolarChemist
BipolarChemist (1) - Aneninen
phokdapolees (1) - sthar8
Not Voting (2) -
ZZZX,
notscience

VC 2.10

shaddowez
(4) -
DeasVail,
implosion, AGar, Aneninen
ZZZX
(4) - Malakittens, phokdapolees, notscience,
shaddowez

DeasVail
(1) - BipolarChemist
phokdapolees (1) - sthar8
Not Voting (1) -
ZZZX



VC 2.11

shaddowez
(6) -
DeasVail
, implosion, AGar, Aneninen, sthar8, BipolarChemist
ZZZX
(4) - Malakittens, phokdapolees, notscience,
shaddowez

Not Voting (1) -
ZZZX


The rest of the day turned into the town lynch driven by desvail, implosion and Agar. What's interesting to me is that all of the wagons are town wagons. Now this has some elements of WIFOM but I would conjecture that in such case, scum initially would gather outside competing wagons so as to avoid pressure the next day and set-up more mislynch. This leads me to suspect Bipolar.


Conclusion: Assuming scum is rational, my verdict would be


[Town]
(in order from towniest)
Aneninem
: Cleared from VCA of Day 1.
Town

Malakittens
: Townish tone and that last interaction w+ hammer with Neil is telling that they aren't scum together.
Town

AGar
: Sit at scum all Day 1 despite controversy. However, I would acknowledge that he's a pretty devious player :P.
Most likely town

sthar8
: Compelling counter wagon with flames on Day 1. Flames jumped on Rack despite off-pressure on VC 1.06.
Most likely town


[Scummy]
(in order from least scummy)
Tmand
: Has both town and scum points. I like that he moved off rack early when [Flames/Rack] competing wagon in VC1.09 but his unvoting on Neil is scummy.
Null to scummy

Bipolar
: Some points against him in VCA, but Deasvail flip is some evidence he could be town.
Null to scummy

Implosion
: Unvote revote on Neil was scummy.
[Likely scum]

Phok
: A lot of scummy points from interaction with Neil
[Likely scum]


Me thinks this game will be solved if we lynch among the scummies since there are a lot of strong townies read.
VOTE: Phok

In post 781, phokdapolees wrote:prod dodge

I will say that I like np's VCA tho

Since my analysis points out that you are likely scum. Can you respond to it?
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Post Post #803 (isolation #5) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:51 pm

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Re-read some of Neil's posts, some stuff stood out:

In post 305, neil1113 wrote:
Riabi has the right idea. Rack should have / should provide meta on Tammy, if it's proving Tammy is coming from a scum-motivated mindset.
It makes no sense to not want to help town out in any way you can if you're town yourself?
Riabi gets town points, Rack is null for the moment (his townie point before is taken away).

This is clearing Rack/Sthar to a large extent. Seems like he knew Rack slot is town.

He (Neil)
1> read Phok strongly as town,
2> softly labeled riabi/BP slot as town
3> gave a slight scum read on tmand/not science slot
4> gave town point then took away, finalizing in a null for implosion

I don't think he would be so outspoken about Phok being town if Phok was his buddy, so this makes Phok looks a little better.

Also, Neil's last act makes me think he was actually genuinely frustrated at the push at him. In his last post, he was still trying to salvage the game. This lead me to believe that the final push on him was likely town-driven. Ane is cleared again here And Implosion looks slightly better.
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Post Post #804 (isolation #6) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:52 pm

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This game needs to pick up btw
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Post Post #805 (isolation #7) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:02 pm

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In post 793, implosion wrote:RL is harder than I thought it would be.

WRT npiau: I can imagine interpreting what I did with the neil wagon as scummy, but ultimately I did it as town. I guess the most accurate defense I can give is simply that the pattern of voting that I gave is something that I would in fact do as town (seeing as I did). It might also be something that I would do as scum. For it to be a strong argument in favor of me being scum, there has to be some good reason that I would not have done that as town or that I would be unlikely to.

Your conviction on Neil scum was very high before he soft-claimed (when you first unvoted) and still very high by the time he cop claimed (when you unvoted again). When you said you wanted to think about it in post 398, it could either be town trying to be cautious or scum trying to figure out the reaction of the claim and whether it sticks. Given your articulation against this claim, however, I think the 2nd is more likely the option.

In post 796, Aneninen wrote:
However, there is something.
My main reason for calling Phok town is his Day1 voting pattern, detailed in my post . For those who are voting for Phok: please, explain why my logic is flawed if I townread him and/or point out as many things as you can about the scum!Phok.


Can you read my first post Vote count analysis. There was a lot of stuff on Phok there.
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Post Post #818 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:31 pm

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This prod gallore. Deadline's coming guys ...

In post 813, Bert wrote:Hi Mala!

My predecessor is one of the coolest MafiaScum human beans to grace Mafiascum in the world of Mafiascum.


Why so?


This game is going to BOUNCE to life! Let me know what I can do to put some bounce in your step!

I need your thoughts ASAP on my accusation on your slot.
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Post Post #847 (isolation #9) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:29 pm

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@Agar: I see what you could mean. But we're not lynching Ane today. At least with the deadline so close upon our ass. What do you think about Phok, or Implosion? Who's obviously stalling this day seeing as his recent posts have all defending himself and ZERO scum hunting.

Guys, only 2 days till deadline. We need VOTES, and we need votes on wagon please. I'm fine with either Phok or Implosion getting lynched today so consider my vote to be on both of 'em
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Post Post #848 (isolation #10) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:31 pm

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Ane, come on, the vote on BPB for what? The guy's on VLA
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Post Post #849 (isolation #11) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:36 pm

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~ Sorry, I mean *Bert/Phok
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Post Post #851 (isolation #12) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:49 pm

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Oh so we actually have more than 3 days left.
In that case.
Unvote.Vote: Implosion
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Post Post #853 (isolation #13) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:58 pm

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1> Bert needs time to catch up. My vote on him is useless right now
2> I'm actually more confident on Implosion being scum than Bert given his recent posts. I already pointed out what's wrong with them.
3> As for my initial suspicion of Implosion. I've already mentioned in my VCA and my posts. Please pay SPECIAL attention to my VCA.

The fact that you're asking that really makes me think that you're not reading the game. I'm fairly confident that you're town so please stay active and kill this apathy. I'll address any concern you may have over my slot/ the game.
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Post Post #863 (isolation #14) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:08 pm

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In post 862, implosion wrote:And there was only one other vote out, so if ~apathy~ continues then that isn't exactly good for scum-NP at that point in the game.

Also fighting against apathy is just something that I thing a replacement would typically do regardless of alignment, just because it makes the game more fun.


Really? This guy is scum guys. Trying to take pot-shots a good point with crap reasoning.

In post 858, notscience wrote:VOTE: nopointinactingup

I dunno something about sheeping mala


Possibly Implosion's scum-mate right here. I doubt any town in their right mind would be sheeping right now.
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Post Post #864 (isolation #15) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:17 pm

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@An:
- VLA is not alignment indicative ofcourse but voting a VLA slop is really not using your votes to the best extent. Town's biggest weapon are votes. It should be used extensively instead on parked on a VLA-er no?
- I don't get your point but what happened was I said I'm equally ok with a Bert/ Implosion lynch. When I looked back at Implosion's recent posts it was much more scummy and the deadline is really not nearing as much as I thought and I still have time to get something out of Implosion SO I voted Implosion instead. Ofcourse, now Implosion is much more scummy. Does that make sense to you?
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Post Post #963 (isolation #16) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:28 pm

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In post 868, Aneninen wrote:So, I've checked Implosion's recent posts. I can see nothing particularly scummy. Have I missed something? By the way, Implosion, how about sheeping me and voting for the BPC slot? More votes may urge his forthcoming replacement's catchup and I think that slot is scum.

AGar, Bert, where are your votes?


In post 870, Malakittens wrote:wats the implosion case again?


CASE ON IMPLOSION:

Point 1:
me in VCA analysis of Day 1 part 5 wrote:
Spoiler: Part 5
VC 1.09

Flames682
(4) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen, tman2nd
rack (2) - phokdapolees,
Flames682

Aneninen (2) - Malakittens,
Elias_the_thief

Malakittens (1) -
chaoslord54

phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Not Voting (2) -
shaddowez, Tammy


VC 1.10

Flames682
(5) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen, tman2nd,
Elias_the_thief

rack (2) - phokdapolees,
Flames682

Aneninen (1) - Malakittens
Malakittens (1) -
chaoslord54

phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Not Voting (2) -
shaddowez, Tammy


VC 1.11

Flames682
(5) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen, tman2nd,
shaddowez

rack (2) - phokdapolees,
Flames682

tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
Malakittens (1) -
chaoslord54

phokdapolees (1) - rack
Not Voting (2) -
Tammy, Elias_the_thief


VC 1.12

neil1113
(3) - AGar, Aneninen, tman2nd
rack (2) - phokdapolees,
neil1113

tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
Malakittens (1) -
chaoslord54

phokdapolees (1) - rack
Not Voting (4) -
Elias_the_thief, Tammy
, implosion,
shaddowez


VC 1.13

neil1113
(5) - AGar, Aneninen, phokdapolees, implosion,
chaoslord54

tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
rack (1) -
neil1113

phokdapolees (1) - rack
Not Voting (4) -
Elias_the_thief, Tammy, shaddowez
, tman2nd

VC 1.14

neil1113
(6) - AGar, Aneninen, phokdapolees, implosion,
chaoslord54
,
shaddowez

tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
rack (2) -
neil1113
,
Elias_the_thief

Not Voting (3) -
Tammy
, tman2nd, rack

VC 1.15

neil1113
(4) - AGar, phokdapolees,
chaoslord54
,
shaddowez

tman2nd (2) - Oso, Malakittens
rack (2) -
neil1113
,
Elias_the_thief

Not Voting (5) -
Tammy
, tman2nd, rack, Aneninen, implosion

VC 1.16

neil1113
(5) - AGar, phokdapolees,
chaoslord54, shaddowez
, Aneninen
tman2nd (2) - Oso, Malakittens
rack (2) -
neil1113
,
Elias_the_thief

Not Voting (4) -
Tammy
, tman2nd, rack, implosion

VC. 1.17

neil1113
(7) - AGar, phokdapolees,
chaoslord54, shaddowez
, Aneninen, implosion, Malakittens
rack (2) -
neil1113
,
Elias_the_thief

tman2nd (1) - Oso
Not Voting (3) -
Tammy
, tman2nd, rack

This is the part where the wagon stalled for so long before finally reaching the lynch on scum. This stall was no doubt intentional. There was a lot of unvote revote, especially when neil came into the game. For now, what I see most suspicious was implosion's activity. He seems to be unvoting whenever there is a burst in Flame's voting activity and yet always revote. It would make sense that implosion is not sure whether there will be a lynch on his buddy and thus, whether he should buss his buddy. I will spend more time looking at the specifics of this interaction. For now, implosion looks scummy from this.



Point 2
: Implosion's recent posts
This vote on shadow was bad and and reason provided was a whim. He went on to cruise through Day 2 with no pressure/content whatsover on why Shadow is scum. Then he sets up for the next myslynch here on my slot. Day 3 votes before I came in, again no reasoning to justify votes just non-scumhunting materials all over the places. When I replaced in, he made a few posts, post 793 post 807 post 859 post 862
Taking potshots at cases on him without justifying his votes or any sort of scum-hunting going on what so ever.
NO SCUM-HUNTING, NO VOTE JUSTIFICATION
I fail to see why you guys do not see this but
This is scum cruising through the day.


In post 943, Bert wrote:

In post 864, nopointinactingup wrote:- I don't get your point but what happened was I said I'm equally ok with a Bert/ Implosion lynch. When I looked back at Implosion's recent posts it was much more scummy and the deadline is really not nearing as much as I thought and I still have time to get something out of Implosion SO I voted Implosion instead.


if you wanted to derive maximum benefit, you would/could have kept pressuring me to catch up because 3 days or 4 days or however many days were left (actually maybe 5?) are plenty of time. you just totally let go of the pressure on your main scumread for really no good reason.

Because I found more scum in Implosion, my equally main scumread?


In post 818, nopointinactingup wrote:I need your thoughts ASAP on my accusation on your slot.


your accusations are based on associatives that my predecessor had with neil, is that right? what else am i missing.

i cant answer or provide adequate explanations for my predecessor, so do you have anything else specific to ask?

Actually just read my case on Implosion.
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Post Post #964 (isolation #17) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:32 pm

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Anyone here I'm ready to discuss. I'm at L-1 if I'm not mistaken and I think scums are already on my wagon (Implosion + NS/Bert).
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Post Post #968 (isolation #18) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:05 pm

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In post 965, Bert wrote:Did you miss where Mala soft claimed and "cleared" notscience?

I'm phone bound tonight so not of much use for discussion.

Re: implosion - May I ask what the difference is for you between town and scum cruising?

Also Nacho I haven't linked what Mala said about NP, I'll remind myself to tomorrow


I have actually.

Scum cruising do not explain their votes. They do not try to sound like they are producing content like Implosion did.
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Post Post #969 (isolation #19) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:06 pm

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In post 967, notscience wrote:Try to lynch me now npiau~


I've never tried to lynch you. If I'm right about Mala's soft-claim, we're fucking doomed ..
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Post Post #970 (isolation #20) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:08 pm

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@Notscience: My reasoning for thinking you are scum still holds true barring any PR right?
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Post Post #974 (isolation #21) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:15 pm

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I did. But this is saying unless you have a definite reason to sheep mala

[quote="In post 863
In post 858, notscience wrote:VOTE: nopointinactingup

I dunno something about sheeping mala


Possibly Implosion's scum-mate right here. I doubt any town in their right mind would be sheeping right now.
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Post Post #976 (isolation #22) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:19 pm

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MALA. I'm town and I'm not voting NOTTY. I only mentioned suspicion of him because he sheeped you, which would make sense given your soft claim. Please look at my case on Implosion.
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Post Post #979 (isolation #23) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:23 pm

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Ok since you can never get over your tunneling for my slot. Let's lynch Implosion first. Then tomorrow you can lynch me if you want. PLEASE?
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Post Post #981 (isolation #24) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:37 am

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What does that even mean?
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Post Post #984 (isolation #25) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:40 am

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Agar's play today has been bad, but that in no ways warrantee a lynch. He's been on the Flame/Neil wagon all Day 1. We've got scummier fish to fry, aka Implosion.
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Post Post #987 (isolation #26) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:14 am

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In post 986, Malakittens wrote:VOTE: implosion

If I'm dead or alive I want NPAU in the dead thread the following. Day


This vote just made my day <3
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Post Post #994 (isolation #27) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:23 am

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Implosion, who do you think is scum?
You are still failing to do this thing called scum hunting ..
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Post Post #1000 (isolation #28) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:16 pm

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By WHO DO YOU THINK IS SCUM, I mean why too. Don't throw out names
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Post Post #1012 (isolation #29) » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:48 pm

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In post 999, implosion wrote:For clarity those reads come almost exclusively from PoE. Mala/agar/sthar/anen are all town, I think.


OK. This is as bad as a justification one could get. 1000 posts and no scum read.
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Post Post #1037 (isolation #30) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:25 pm

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In post 1031, Bert wrote:Hello all. My feeling after the Malakittens Vanilla Townie reveal is that notscience is a friendly neighbor. Just throwing that out there.


This shows that you've put a lot of thoughts about this. Perhaps overnight.

~~~~
I'm not willing to lynch [notscience, nacho, ane or sthar] today btw. That leaves Agar and Bert. Possibly both are scum.
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Post Post #1039 (isolation #31) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:47 am

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Short case on Berty:

Point 1: VCA analysis and possible interaction with scum-Neil.

Point 2: Latest posts with fluff, unfulfilled promises and role speculation --> Scum

Point 3: Process of elimination indicates that Bert-Agar is likely scum.
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Post Post #1044 (isolation #32) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:05 pm

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I'm fine with an AGar lynch too. Why don't you think Bert is scum?
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Post Post #1055 (isolation #33) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:49 pm

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Ok
VOTE: Agar

That's L-1
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Post Post #1076 (isolation #34) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:26 pm

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In post 1073, Bert wrote:
This leads to AGar later self-voting. nopointinactingup picks me over AGar for no explicable reason, and then once he switches, AGar comes in after lurking a whole day and self-hammers. He called me out for "inactivity, putting a lot of thoughts in overnight (??), etc?"

Then, consider what he said about AGar at the end of Day 3. How does that lead to AGar and me being his top scumreads? Why put AGar in the pool?



In post 984, nopointinactingup wrote:Agar's play today has been bad, but that in no ways warrantee a lynch. He's been on the Flame/Neil wagon all Day 1. We've got scummier fish to fry, aka Implosion.


I've already mentioned this actually, it was process of elimination. To me, you two were the only ones that didn't have damning evidence of being town. And I thought 3 scum game is reasonable, so it baring all WIFOM, the game has already been solved to me.
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Post Post #1077 (isolation #35) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:27 pm

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A reread of AGar gives no definite tell. All that effort Bert is putting into this actually makes him look townish and it makes absolutely zero sense that Bert would kill nacho. I think I will have to re-evaluate my town reads on the other players just to be sure.
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #36) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:54 pm

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Also @Bert: nopointinactingup picks me over AGar for no explicable reason,
--> Already explained
In post 1039, nopointinactingup wrote:Short case on Berty:

Point 1: VCA analysis and possible interaction with scum-Neil.

Point 2: Latest posts with fluff, unfulfilled promises and role speculation --> Scum

Point 3: Process of elimination indicates that Bert-Agar is likely scum.
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Post Post #1080 (isolation #37) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:57 pm

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Who's scum?
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Post Post #1083 (isolation #38) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:00 pm

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In post 1081, notscience wrote:Who isn't in this game


Wut? Who do you think is scum?
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Post Post #1085 (isolation #39) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:02 pm

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Ok. L-1. Don't hammer unless there's a counter claim, then we find scum.
I'm Macho Odd Night Cop. Let's mass claim
I investigated Mala (Chaos did) and Nacho respectively
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Post Post #1087 (isolation #40) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:08 pm

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No let's massclaim, since I will prolly die tonight if we mislynch, we need to make sure all bullshit is out of the way. You for example, have a free pass for no reason explained yet
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Post Post #1090 (isolation #41) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:12 pm

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With some soft-claim by a VT? No I'm not willing to believe that. I want you to claim, there's no point in with holding information now unless you're scum.
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Post Post #1093 (isolation #42) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:15 pm

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That post only meant you corrected Bert's mistake, not really a claim, but this should do.
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Post Post #1095 (isolation #43) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:17 pm

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You could have corrected what he mean to say, not the fact that it was your role. Just semantics ..
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Post Post #1096 (isolation #44) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:19 pm

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VC 1.07
rack (5) - Aneninen, phokdapolees, tman2nd, Flames682, chaoslord54
Malakittens (2) - Tammy, implosion
Aneninen (2) - Malakittens, Elias_the_thief
phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Flames682 (1) - AGar
Not Voting (1) - shaddowez

rack (3) - phokdapolees, Flames682, chaoslord54
Flames682 (3) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen
Aneninen (2) - Malakittens, Elias_the_thief
Malakittens (1) - Tammy
phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Not Voting (2) - shaddowez, tman2nd

Suppose Ane is scum, what do you make of the movement here on Day 1, off rack and onto flames, which jumpstarted the flames wagon?
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Post Post #1101 (isolation #45) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:34 pm

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Bert or Sthar ..

I suppose I will let both of you to spend much time and energy to make cases on the other/speak up to defend yourself because I'm a sadist ... :D
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Post Post #1105 (isolation #46) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:38 pm

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I don't handle threats well notty.
But I suppose we both are town and should try to work together? Why is Bert obv town to you?
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Post Post #1113 (isolation #47) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:44 pm

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1> I said don't hammer unless there's a counter-claim because if someone counter claims me, then he's scum and I win. Did you see then "then we find scum" part?
2> I investigated Nacho, or should I say I didn't investigate you ( I investigated AGar then took back and investigated Nacho instead) because I thought I should try to find out the smarter scum (no offense)
3> I already thought about this at the beginning of the day that if I'm ever at L-1 I would immediately claim. BECAUSE the worse thing that could happen to town right now is that I get lynched/hammered by a town. I didn't claim when I was at L-1 earlier in Day 3 because I wanted to get an investigate in before I get killed by scum. That's why I needed Night 3 and gave my lynch me tomorrow post to Mala.
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Post Post #1116 (isolation #48) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:46 pm

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In post 1037, nopointinactingup wrote:
In post 1031, Bert wrote:Hello all. My feeling after the Malakittens Vanilla Townie reveal is that notscience is a friendly neighbor. Just throwing that out there.


This is my sudden Nacho-town shift on Day 4

I don't know where you are going with this because it's making you scummier
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Post Post #1117 (isolation #49) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:47 pm

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In post 1037, nopointinactingup wrote:
In post 1031, Bert wrote:Hello all. My feeling after the Malakittens Vanilla Townie reveal is that notscience is a friendly neighbor. Just throwing that out there.


This shows that you've put a lot of thoughts about this. Perhaps overnight.

~~~~
I'm not willing to lynch [notscience, nacho, ane or sthar] today btw. That leaves Agar and Bert. Possibly both are scum.
Vote:Bert


Wrong quote.
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Post Post #1120 (isolation #50) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:53 pm

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wtf are you talking about? If I don't claim and scum don't kill me then how tf do I die?
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Post Post #1124 (isolation #51) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:59 pm

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If you're still not convinced about it. You can take a look at this Mala breadcrumb I've made to try to convince Mala that I was town.
In post 853, nopointinactingup wrote:1> Bert needs time to catch up. My vote on him is useless right now
2> I'm actually more confident on Implosion being scum than Bert given his recent posts. I already pointed out what's wrong with them.
3> As for my initial suspicion of Implosion. I've already mentioned in my VCA and my posts.
Please pay SPECIAL attention to my VCA.


The fact that you're asking that really makes me think that you're not reading the game. I'm fairly confident that you're town so please stay active and kill this apathy. I'll address any concern you may have over my slot/ the game.

Note: Please pay SPECIAL attention to my VCA

In post 777, nopointinactingup wrote:
Spoiler: Part 3
VC 1.07

rack (5) - Aneninen, phokdapolees, tman2nd,
Flames682
,
chaoslord54

Malakittens (2) -
Tammy
, implosion
Aneninen (2) -
Malakittens
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Elias_the_thief

phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Flames682
(1) - AGar
Not Voting (1) -
shaddowez


This part is interesting. As his wagon has just getting disbanded. I don't think Flame would have tried to buss supposedly scumbuddy here. Rack looks to be town from this VCA.



I colored her green (on purpose) to crumb my investigation.
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Post Post #1126 (isolation #52) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:02 pm

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In post 1096, nopointinactingup wrote:VC 1.07
rack (5) - Aneninen, phokdapolees, tman2nd, Flames682, chaoslord54
Malakittens (2) - Tammy, implosion
Aneninen (2) - Malakittens, Elias_the_thief
phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Flames682 (1) - AGar
Not Voting (1) - shaddowez

rack (3) - phokdapolees, Flames682, chaoslord54
Flames682 (3) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen
Aneninen (2) - Malakittens, Elias_the_thief
Malakittens (1) - Tammy
phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Not Voting (2) - shaddowez, tman2nd

Suppose Ane is scum, what do you make of the movement here on Day 1, off rack and onto flames, which jumpstarted the flames wagon?


If you're concerned about why I think Anen is town, refer to this.
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #53) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:08 pm

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Then why would Anen jump OFF the leading wagon (which is Rack) and into Flames as well? Do you think scums are that determined to lynch their partner? I mean I can understand Agar bussing by sitting all day on Flames but it is virtually impossible for Anen to be jumping his partner right when a mislynch is likely going to happen

if implosion is town you can lynch me tomorrow
--> Mainly because I want to investigate N3. It WAS DAY 3
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Post Post #1132 (isolation #54) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:10 pm

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Kay gotta leave. Read up. Whether you like it or not, it looks like you or Sthar to me.
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Post Post #1162 (isolation #55) » Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:46 pm

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I wish I had a scum-read right now
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Post Post #1168 (isolation #56) » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:31 am

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Let's end this day
VOTE: sthar
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