Mini 1602: Game Over

[Bert]

Hi Mala!

My predecessor is one of the coolest MafiaScum human beans to grace Mafiascum in the world of Mafiascum.

This game is going to BOUNCE to life! Let me know what I can do to put some bounce in your step!

Thank you!

- your fellow Human BEAN

Not Beano, but BEAN. Just making sure.

[Bert]

another prod?

So disappointing! I'm disappointed in you, Agar. How prod-worthy-like!

not_impressed.gif

ok i havent read the game so i cant talk lol, but i will today! i have one thing to say - stop getting prodded! i dont want that malady to reach me

[Bert]

If you don't get motivated, I will be a sad panda

[Bert]

What was so scummy about Phok and Neil's interactions? And yeah, phok is a cool dude outside mafia games. We go way back.

[Bert]

@Anen: Yes, the same one, sadly, hence the "lurking malady will affect me."

/mobile

[Bert]

Brother, me too.

Sorry I wasn't in the mafia mood today.

I just realized that one scum is down, and it's Neil.

Well, that's embarrassing.

[Bert]

Okay so I'm being votes for due to associatives. Okay.

I'll post thoughts on my tablet tomorrow, not on this funky phone. I'm through halfway.

[Bert]

I have phone commentary in this lurky game.

End of day 1

How ballsy to lynch a claimed cop!

[Bert]

Tammy killed. Sleepy and Tammy in past games don't survive together long.

Now they're together in the Dead QT!

Leap of faith?

[Bert]

Wow Phok was being townread mostly. We usually form an alliance together in past games because were being scumread haha

Oso reminds me of bear.

At end of N2. Chris

Deasvail and BPC are awesome. This game is full of awesome.

Two flipped strong players night killed with detailed reads.

Awesome.

[Bert]

Hi Mala notscience BPC hihihihi and everyone on the alive list!

Yeah crash time I shouldn't be posting at 1 am

[Bert]

Hi star! Reminds me of Tyra Banks and that song Like a Star

[Bert]

Great! Except I posted too much crud fluff tonite that I'll regret when I wake up!

U?

I forgot you were in 1585 then I remembered u replaced late! U were good, even without coming away with the W

[Bert]

nopointinactingup's posts stand out as suspicious, I'll explain in a bit

I'll be back in two hours.

[Bert]

Back, afternoon got hectic.

I don't want to place an empty voice on nopoint until I can explain myself

Also I need to get my head in the game because I fail so far

[Bert]

what the fuck nacho

that was a joke, for the record.
I heard you were having trouble keeping people in slots?

Star's a troublemaker!

[Bert]

No extension, I see.

Time for R&R until Day 2 then. Weekend.

[Bert]

Wait, day 3. Fine, I'll check in today.

[Bert]

I want a deadline extension

Plus, deadline when I turn

Spoiler: :D

is most uncoolest.

[Bert]

OK.

Well guys I don't know where to start.

[Bert]

It's a lot to ask without bargaining power, but if you give me until Day 4 to wake up and stop playing terribly, that would be nice.

[Bert]

Huh? Y

[Bert]

VOTE: nachomamma8[/vot]

This vote seems incredibly ibvious and nacho scum suggests the world is town

[Bert]

War eagle

[Bert]

U replaced a townish slot

[Bert]

I types vot on purpose

[Bert]

VOTE: notscience

War eagle

[Bert]

U replaced a townish slot

And apparently, you don't give me a chance to turn around the game despite having a town read on my predecessor. Why?

I just looked at who u replaced ans I wanted u give me explanation bout notscience vote

BPC and deasvail r good friends

[Bert]

Do u independently see nopointinactiv as town?

[Bert]

Did u read what Mala and co said bout

Nopoint' associatives and interaction with neal

[Bert]

I'm watching football but I'm here

[Bert]

Don't feel bad. Feel rad!

I would link but I'm on mobile too! War Eagle!

Also, I just noticed that D2, low hanging fruit was lynched.

[Bert]

That reminds me of you counter claiming Bro in Wicked lol but idc totally different scenario

VOTE: nopointinactingup

Weekends are crazy and I'm in a funk sorry

I'll bike to the library Monday

[Bert]

i dont expect much from you nowadays notscience considering how busy you are (start of college) or how you in past completed games just ignore certain past games while participating head-on in others (like our hydra past games?)

my activity goes in and out for different periods, regardless of alignment. you know that as well as anyone, especially when you are the same way

why hadn't bert asked me to do anything until you got here though

thats weird

you'd just go "ill get to this later, sorry busy" and disappear. it's not worth the effort hint: past completed hydra games dating back to 2013, all of which you disappeared

but

i think when i get pressured i naturally start participating 125% in games so this is a ++ keep it up

you sheeped a mala vote, i sheeped a nacho vote. and u know that i like to sheep nacho when i think he is town based on our tons of past games together, so how is that a problem

[Bert]

? im just not that motivated, if you wanted to talk you could just say my name and id probably appear here albeit most of the time on mobile

it shouldnt be the other way around

[Bert]

i was initially thinking maybe mala's probably a weak neighborizer or something who neighborized you, the way she said "i have info, but i wont fullclaim". or masonizer, or something like that.

but yeah probably not anymore. lol based on you commenting that her defense is town but that u dont know if she is town

p-edit: i flake too

[Bert]

Okay I am now very motivated to post a lot

so where do we begin

[Bert]

OK I'm just going to start talking.

If anyone wants to be paranoid about Nacho's slot or whatever, then the argument is he's trying to divert attention from a wagon. But then there are a lot of reasons as both alignments he'd do that.

My vote on Nacho was half joke because it was in a way saying in a snarky way that he wasn't providing thorough reasoning for his vote when he can do that easily, whether he believes in that reasoning or not.

otscience tried to play this off as a joke here, but all I'm reading is notscience feeling weird about being his usual obvtown and proud to be obvtown self and instead drops this self-conscious bullshit in thread so he sounds vaguely like his town meta would but his heart isn't in it at the least.

you're comfortable lynching based on the nervousness of one post alone???

more like a frame-up job

This is a bad vote and you know it is a bad vote: instead of trying to help me turn around the game like I'm attempting you to do, you don't read shit I post and naked vote me.

your vote on notscience was a bad vote until you explained it

there wasnt really reason to believe that your vote on notscience was made with good intentions. cuz it was written like you know somebody to be scum, when you dont unless youre scum

[Bert]

There are no big wagons now. Most players are posting no content or literally nothing. Three of them are not voting. And you're concerned about my vote??! How does that make sense?

this sounds so frantic. i remember why i kept thinking you were scum in our past game, and likewise for you about me lol

- I don't get your point but what happened was I said I'm equally ok with a Bert/ Implosion lynch. When I looked back at Implosion's recent posts it was much more scummy and the deadline is really not nearing as much as I thought and I still have time to get something out of Implosion SO I voted Implosion instead.

if you wanted to derive maximum benefit, you would/could have kept pressuring me to catch up because 3 days or 4 days or however many days were left (actually maybe 5?) are plenty of time. you just totally let go of the pressure on your main scumread for really no good reason.

I need your thoughts ASAP on my accusation on your slot.

your accusations are based on associatives that my predecessor had with neil, is that right? what else am i missing.

i cant answer or provide adequate explanations for my predecessor, so do you have anything else specific to ask?

[Bert]

Vote: AGar

What do you think of this vote?

He hasn't really orchestrated anything since the Neil lynch and subsequent vote on your slot to start Day 2. asks lots of questions which is easy to do, doesnt seem that leery atm but probably busy and lurking like me. All of his posts are pretty shifty with reads (generalization but I skimmed his ISO lol). ok so all of what i said is irrelevant.

but it is zuzpizuz that he has sorta stopped pushing your slot considering how confident he was on D2 based on your slot's interactions with neil-scum.

what's your issue with the current leading wagon?

I didn't think notscience was scum for any reason other than the way he was playing. He wanted to step up his game to the next level for a while, I know he has been trying to improve and trying to being the next level of his play and I know that he's capable of it I'm just waiting for him to do it. I expected to find a notscience that was driven and pushing in all of his games, but I don't expect the same confidence when he's scum, so I thought scum

OK.

[Bert]

tl;dr i dont really know about agar. but i think id have more of an opinion if i stopped looking at his iso and read the context of his posts

on the bright side i should be here in some capacity tomorrow and i will not make promises

i figure if i say i wont read the game again tonight, and that i wont post reads tomorrow, then ill actually post them soon

@notscience: i miss the summertime already, and i will miss festivals too :C hope ure going to see harvest fests!!

[Bert]

that's not unlikely re: both scum bussing

didnt mala show u how to do VCA's haha <3

also fun fact i just put 2 and 2 together to realize you replaced tman. so many replacements here, even sthar replaced a slot that had two predecessors. the confusing part is remember what slots are now occupied by someone else

I think Mala's asking for the hammer was town-cheek too

so

Spoiler: for my future reference

notscience replaces tman2nd.

This game just got more interesting.

@Notty: We lynched scum Day 1. We lost Tammy Night 2 and I think Zzzx is scum and one of BPC/DV.

VOTE: Neil

HAMMAH BABEH.

SEE YAZ ON THE FLIPSIDE~~

reads:

AGar * - TOWN DO NOT LYNCH EVER
Tammy - TOWN DO NOT LYNCH EVER
Oso Riabi - null
chaoslord54 * - leaning scum
Malakittens - town
Aneninen - leaning town
implosion - i stil wanna call him scum.
phokdapolees * - town
shaddowez - maybe town
tman2nd * - leaning scum
neil1113 Flames682 * - dead scummmmmm woooo~
Elias_the_thief - maybe town, idk
rack ^ * - prob town

i havent read to see how she has narrowed down her reads firmly since start of D2.

however i do find it very interesting that she goes "dead scum woo" next to Neil during her hammer-Neil post. so that looks like a total crumb dont you think? which bodes well for her, maybe.

[Bert]

lets pretend the stars aligned and actually gave us all town again for t he first time since that newbie a while ago

and mala's town to

So scum in agar/npia and ane/imp

That sound fair?

that game was lame, one of you and nacho got lynched by each other, i cant remember who

on a totally unrelated note, i know that anen can ring scumbells like no one else as town

p-edit: more than half the game is busy irl lately lol even implosion

implosion sure has been active though and was hard townreading agar early on, ill read his iso in a bit i guess brb

[Bert]

Oh man

That game. I'll read non-superficially tomorrow. I haven't gone over people's reads, much less those of the dead (DV and Tammy

Mobile

Sheeping nacho is tempting here though

[Bert]

Omg

I forgot I've played with agar before until I mentioned it

Yeah he bussed my hydra hard in harry potter

Bussed all my scumbuddies.

!!!!!

[Bert]

Until mala* phone error

[Bert]

Did you miss where Mala soft claimed and "cleared" notscience?

I'm phone bound tonight so not of much use for discussion.

Re: implosion - May I ask what the difference is for you between town and scum cruising?

Also Nacho I haven't linked what Mala said about NP, I'll remind myself to tomorrow

[Bert]

Doomed! Why doomed?

[Bert]

Then tomorrow you can lynch me if you want. PLEASE?

LOVE YOU LIKE A LOVE SONG BABY

[Bert]

It's a song title that was a dance song during the mid autumn fest last year.

What do you think of AGar's slot?

[Bert]

VOTE: AGar

Baaaaaaa

Baa?

[Bert]

There are a lot of games where I can easily be lynched in when not playing to my own lowly standards, but this is not one of them.

I almost talked my way out until scum-Falcon hammered me in that Resistance game where you tunneled my slot when I replaced in, and promptly got lynched a day or two afterwards. The people that knew me very well in that game happened to be scum (Antihero, Falcon, Mastin). I seriously doubt that's the case here.

VOTE: implosion

Lynch -1

24 hours left, and whomever I vote doesn't matter (outside the "cleared" and my townreads) - highest wagon takes priority

[Bert]

unvote

Last few posts are pretty town. All of the feels!

No longer interested.

/mobile

VOTE: AGar

[Bert]

Imposion

Is there a reAson u didn't mention notscince

[Bert]

Hi my nom is Bert I played as bazooga hydra in harry pottag mafia theme game

He was traitor and bussed our whole team withou us knowin

Pontificate

[Bert]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Bzzzz

Buzzkill

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=49438

[Bert]

Nuh natcho as long as kill scum

I grin

No comvincing is necesario

[Bert]

.-.

Hi sugarplum!
Who is scum!
I'm dum!

[Bert]

That is progress!!!!

[Bert]

implosion isn't the only one using Process of Elimination!

[Bert]

VOTE: implosion

[Bert]

Prod Dodge.

[Bert]

Hello all. My feeling after the Malakittens Vanilla Townie reveal is that notscience is a friendly neighbor. Just throwing that out there.

It's a pity that it wasn't me at Night3.
After a long, long stall I managed to kick a terrible wagon.
I'll get lynched for that, won't I?

Which wagon did you kick?

[Bert]

Friendly_Neighbor

[Bert]

Spoiler: :)

VOTE: AGar

[Bert]

I find that there are two paths I can explore during my own wagon - both come naturally if I deny my own willpower - it's like a response to danger. (1) The first response is passion, a euphemism for the cliché "AtE." (2) The second is indifference.

Recently in past games, I find that I tend to automatically detach when being wagoned. (2) is less work and much more relaxing, especially if IRL is busy. (2) is the equivalent of running away from your problems, and I have learned it does not work in real life.

(1) expends more energy and creates/feeds much more tension, but has a few big cons (guess?) that cannot be ignored. It's also easy to burn out that way. Sorry, going off on a tangent here. Displaying (1) becomes a microcosm of real human bean emotion, and in games here it seems beneficial (or wise?) to suppress it. There is a middle-ground though between (1) and (2) but I'm not there yet!

Back to this game, though, my play here is a mix of apathy and I have not found my way out yet.

[Bert]

I don't think I'm going to surprise you now but your answer was very weak

As town in our past game together, you had no qualms about leading out with votes on me during every single game day I was alive! You seem so cautious here!

Who are you and what have you done with And Then And Then???

[Bert]

Prod dodge. Weekend. See you Monday.

[Bert]

Spoiler: even stevens :)

Vote: AGar

Sthar is the other one, fwiw.

So. The names, in a scum >>> town order:
AGar, Nacho, Bert, Sthar, NPIAU, Notscience. (Unsure about the Nacho/Bert pair.)

I'm not willing to lynch [notscience, nacho, ane or sthar] today btw. That leaves Agar and Bert. Possibly both are scum.

I think its 1 of the 3 on the D1 wagon before shadowez, but agar is out of the running

and 1 of the 3 after shadowez minus mala

If I'm dead or alive I want NPAU in the dead thread the following. Day

[Bert]

Crunch time, and I'm still burned out. Yuck.

my only past solo game with sthar

I replaced Mitillos, and all sthar did was tunnel me when I replaced in. I don't think me not being burned out would make much of a difference with his read (and it being based in some part on Phok's play).

yep

Bert, Mitillos should be ashamed of that replace. Thanks for trying, though. VOTE: Bert

If you think I'm scum, then vote me. Even if you haven't finished reading the game yet, I'm the only person you've mentioned as scum. You're up on the votecount enough to know that I only have one other vote on me, so it's not like you're afraid of accidentally hammering.

So why aren't you voting?

notscience we should talk this game day because you'll be next kill if the game goes on IMO. Nacho was the main threat to scum remaining. I don't think me speaking with sthar will do me or him any good IMO since he's just biased based on phok's play.

Based on the reads I just looked at, I think it's mostly a given that nopointinactingup and sthar8 will vote me. Anen (along with you) basically are the swing voters.

I was pretty surprised AGar self-hammered. Right when it happened, I was like yeah he's flipping scum. That was a gift IMO because it was still possible for him to just be active and turn his lynch around IMO. The reasoning around his lynch (aside from Nacho's push) stemmed from low activity, etc., so I don't think his wagon is a tell-all of anything.

[Bert]

ETA: Last post, heading out for the afternoon anyways.

So...I think Anen has me as his/her top remaining scumread. So yeah, that's 3 votes likely on me which is enough. If it becomes sthar vs. Anen vs. nopointinactingup in LYLO, I don't feel good about winning chances. I know that I played similarly horribly in my past game with Anen, and town ended up having Anen + sthar (late replacement after I died?) in 5P 1 vs. 4. That was a town loss. But Guyett was being more townread than any of the remaining players aside from notscience, so there's that too...

Anen is reading sthar as strong strong strong town, so if Anen is town, then if sthar is scum, town will lose in 3P LYLO no matter what.

OK I am being tunnel-visioned about the future.

I should try to remain positive though. I believe! lol.

[Bert]

Well, still unmotivated but present (that counts for something??? ha...no).

Looking back and I just saw NPIAU's VCA for Day 1 and Day 2. Sorting through this, although I don't have it stored in my memory which players replaced which.

sthar replaced grandi and rack, neil replaced flames, and notscience replaced tman2nd. nopointinactingup replaced ZZZX and chaoslord. Anen is the only living player without a predecessor.

@NPIAU: Have I skimmed over your conclusion or you haven't posted it yet?

Both. You have skimmed over the part where I said I have not made a conclusion yet

For now I have to leave for appointment.

I'll come back with Day 2 analysis and Verdict soon.

For now, let's begin
Day 2 Vote count:

Spoiler: Part 1

VC 2.01

Oso (2) - AGar, implosion

chaoslord54

(1) - Malakittens
tman2nd (1) - Aneninen
Not Voting (7) - Oso,

chaoslord54

, phokdapolees,

shaddowez

, tman2nd,

Elias_the_thief

, rack

VC 2.02

Oso (2) - AGar, implosion

chaoslord54

(2) - Malakittens,

DeasVail

tman2nd (1) - Aneninen
Not Voting (6) - Oso,

chaoslord54

, phokdapolees,

shaddowez,

tman2nd, rack

VC 2.03

chaoslord54

(4) - Malakittens,

DeasVail

, phokdapolees,

shaddowez

Oso (2) - AGar, implosion
tman2nd (1) - Aneninen
phokdapolees (1) - Oso
Not Voting (3) -

chaoslord54

, tman2nd, Grandi

There's not really much definite conclusion to see on this day since there's no flipped scum. However, some circumstantial and relational information can be gathered here. Until this VC, the wagon had moved from Oso/Bipolar to my slot. The first thing we could see is that

Implosion is unlikely scumnected to Oso/Bipolar

(Assuming standard 3-scum. Having lost first partner, I don't think scum would go at each other on Day 2). However, Phok, if scum,

would likely be scumnected to Oso/Bipolar

since he had the vote which created the competing wagon on my slot. Although that vote looks justified.

Spoiler: Part 2

VC 2.04

chaoslord54

(3) - Malakittens, phokdapolees,

shaddowez

BipolarChemist (2) - AGar, implosion
tman2nd (1) - Aneninen
phokdapolees (1) - BipolarChemist

shaddowez

(1) -

DeasVail

Not Voting (3) -

chaoslord54

, tman2nd, Grandi

VC 2.05

shaddowez

(3) -

DeasVail

, implosion, AGar

ZZZX

(2) - Malakittens, phokdapolees
phokdapolees (1) - BipolarChemist
Not Voting (5) -

ZZZX

, tman2nd, sthar8,

shaddowez,

Aneninen

VC 2.06

shaddowez

(3) -

DeasVail

, implosion, AGar

ZZZX

(2) - Malakittens, phokdapolees
phokdapolees (1) - BipolarChemist
Not Voting (5) -

ZZZX

, tman2nd, sthar8,

shaddowez

, Aneninen

VC 2.07

shaddowez

(3) -

DeasVail

, implosion, AGar

ZZZX

(2) - Malakittens, phokdapolees
phokdapolees (1) - BipolarChemist
BipolarChemist (1) - Aneninen

DeasVail

(1) -

shaddowez

Not Voting (3) - ZZZX, tman2nd, sthar8

VC 2.08

shaddowez

(3) -

DeasVail

, implosion, AGar

ZZZX

(2) - Malakittens, phokdapolees

DeasVail

(2) - shaddowez, BipolarChemist
BipolarChemist (1) - Aneninen
Not Voting (3) -

ZZZX

, notscience, sthar8

VC 2.09

shaddowez (3) -

DeasVail,

implosion, AGar

ZZZX

(2) - Malakittens, phokdapolees

DeasVail

(2) -

shaddowez

, BipolarChemist
BipolarChemist (1) - Aneninen
phokdapolees (1) - sthar8
Not Voting (2) -

ZZZX,

notscience

VC 2.10

shaddowez

(4) -

DeasVail,

implosion, AGar, Aneninen

ZZZX

(4) - Malakittens, phokdapolees, notscience,

shaddowez

DeasVail

(1) - BipolarChemist
phokdapolees (1) - sthar8
Not Voting (1) -

ZZZX

VC 2.11

shaddowez

(6) -

DeasVail

, implosion, AGar, Aneninen, sthar8, BipolarChemist

ZZZX

(4) - Malakittens, phokdapolees, notscience,

shaddowez

Not Voting (1) -

ZZZX

The rest of the day turned into the town lynch driven by desvail, implosion and Agar. What's interesting to me is that all of the wagons are town wagons. Now this has some elements of WIFOM but I would conjecture that in such case, scum initially would gather outside competing wagons so as to avoid pressure the next day and set-up more mislynch. This leads me to suspect Bipolar.

Conclusion: Assuming scum is rational, my verdict would be

[Town]

(in order from towniest)

Aneninem

: Cleared from VCA of Day 1.

Town

Malakittens

: Townish tone and that last interaction w+ hammer with Neil is telling that they aren't scum together.

Town

AGar

: Sit at scum all Day 1 despite controversy. However, I would acknowledge that he's a pretty devious player .

Most likely town

sthar8

: Compelling counter wagon with flames on Day 1. Flames jumped on Rack despite off-pressure on VC 1.06.

Most likely town

[Scummy]

(in order from least scummy)

Tmand

: Has both town and scum points. I like that he moved off rack early when [Flames/Rack] competing wagon in VC1.09 but his unvoting on Neil is scummy.

Null to scummy

Bipolar

: Some points against him in VCA, but Deasvail flip is some evidence he could be town.

Null to scummy

Implosion

: Unvote revote on Neil was scummy.

[Likely scum]

Phok

: A lot of scummy points from interaction with Neil

[Likely scum]

Me thinks this game will be solved if we lynch among the scummies since there are a lot of strong townies read.
VOTE: Phok

prod dodge

I will say that I like np's VCA tho

Since my analysis points out that you are likely scum. Can you respond to it?

DAY 1 Vote count analysis:

Spoiler: Part 1

VC 1.01

Flames682

(4) -

Tammy

, phokdapolees,

Elias_the_thief

, AGar
rack (1) - Aneninen

Tammy

(1) -

Flames682

AGar (1) - implosion
implosion (1)

shaddowez

Not Voting (5) - Riabi,

chaoslord54

, Malakittens, tman2nd, rack

VC 1.02

Flames682

(3) -

Tammy

,

Elias_the_thief

, AGar
rack (2) - Aneninen, implosion

Tammy

(2) -

Flames682

, phokdapolees
tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
AGar (1) - rack
Riabi (1) - tman2nd
implosion (1) -

shaddowez

Not Voting (1) -

chaoslord54

--> Flames RVS wagon gets hot. One thing stood out. Phok immediately left the wagon with This post. Looks like a soft chainsaw defense of Flames. But would scumbuddy chainsaw that early? A slight scummy for Phok in this regard.

Spoiler: Part 2

VC 1.03

rack (3) - Aneninen, implosion, tman2nd

Flames682

(2) -

Elias_the_thief

, AGar
tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
Malakittens (2) -

Tammy

, rack

Tammy

(1) - phokdapolees
phokdapolees (1) -

Flames682

implosion (1) -

shaddowez

Not Voting (1) -

chaoslord54

VC 1.04

rack (4) - Aneninen, implosion,

Elias_the_thief

, phokdapolees
phokdapolees (3) -

Flames682

,

shaddowez

, rack
tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens

Flames682

(1) - AGar
Malakittens (1) -

Tammy

Not Voting (2) -

chaoslord54

, tman2nd

VC 1.05

rack (4) - Aneninen,

Elias_the_thief

, phokdapolees, tman2nd
phokdapolees (3) -

Flames682

,

shaddowez

, rack
Malakittens (2) -

Tammy

, implosion
tman2nd (1) - Riabi

Flames682

(1) - AGar
Aneninen (1) - Malakittens
Not Voting (1) -

chaoslord54

VC 1.06

rack (5) - Aneninen,

Elias_the_thief

, phokdapolees, tman2nd,

Flames682

Malakittens (2) -

Tammy

, implosion
phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi

Flames682

(1) - AGar
Aneninen (1) - Malakittens
Not Voting (2) -

chaoslord54, shaddowez

--> Here is the build up of the counter wagon on rack. Phok was suddenly on this by the 4th count: This post, sheepish I would suppose. What's more interesting is that Flames hopped off Phok's wagon just when it started to pick up. Implosion was the opposite of Phok. He jumped off onto mala. If rack was town this makes implosion townish.

Spoiler: Part 3

VC 1.07

rack (5) - Aneninen, phokdapolees, tman2nd,

Flames682

,

chaoslord54

Malakittens (2) -

Tammy

, implosion
Aneninen (2) -

Malakittens

,

Elias_the_thief

phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi

Flames682

(1) - AGar
Not Voting (1) -

shaddowez

This part is interesting. As his wagon has just getting disbanded. I don't think Flame would have tried to buss supposedly scumbuddy here. Rack looks to be town from this VCA.

Spoiler: Part 4

VC 1.08

rack (3) - phokdapolees,

Flames682

,

chaoslord54

Flames682

(3) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen
Aneninen (2) - Malakittens,

Elias_the_thief

Malakittens (1) -

Tammy

phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Not Voting (2) -

shaddowez

, tman2nd

He is the moment where Flame's wagon picked up again. This part clears Ane to a large extent as it makes no sense that he would leave the first position on a mislynch to bus his partner.

Spoiler: Part 5

VC 1.09

Flames682

(4) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen, tman2nd
rack (2) - phokdapolees,

Flames682

Aneninen (2) - Malakittens,

Elias_the_thief

Malakittens (1) -

chaoslord54

phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Not Voting (2) -

shaddowez, Tammy

VC 1.10

Flames682

(5) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen, tman2nd,

Elias_the_thief

rack (2) - phokdapolees,

Flames682

Aneninen (1) - Malakittens
Malakittens (1) -

chaoslord54

phokdapolees (1) - rack
tman2nd (1) - Riabi
Not Voting (2) -

shaddowez, Tammy

VC 1.11

Flames682

(5) - AGar, implosion, Aneninen, tman2nd,

shaddowez

rack (2) - phokdapolees,

Flames682

tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
Malakittens (1) -

chaoslord54

phokdapolees (1) - rack
Not Voting (2) -

Tammy, Elias_the_thief

VC 1.12

neil1113

(3) - AGar, Aneninen, tman2nd
rack (2) - phokdapolees,

neil1113

tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
Malakittens (1) -

chaoslord54

phokdapolees (1) - rack
Not Voting (4) -

Elias_the_thief, Tammy

, implosion,

shaddowez

VC 1.13

neil1113

(5) - AGar, Aneninen, phokdapolees, implosion,

chaoslord54

tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
rack (1) -

neil1113

phokdapolees (1) - rack
Not Voting (4) -

Elias_the_thief, Tammy, shaddowez

, tman2nd

VC 1.14

neil1113

(6) - AGar, Aneninen, phokdapolees, implosion,

chaoslord54

,

shaddowez

tman2nd (2) - Riabi, Malakittens
rack (2) -

neil1113

,

Elias_the_thief

Not Voting (3) -

Tammy

, tman2nd, rack

VC 1.15

neil1113

(4) - AGar, phokdapolees,

chaoslord54

,

shaddowez

tman2nd (2) - Oso, Malakittens
rack (2) -

neil1113

,

Elias_the_thief

Not Voting (5) -

Tammy

, tman2nd, rack, Aneninen, implosion

VC 1.16

neil1113

(5) - AGar, phokdapolees,

chaoslord54, shaddowez

, Aneninen
tman2nd (2) - Oso, Malakittens
rack (2) -

neil1113

,

Elias_the_thief

Not Voting (4) -

Tammy

, tman2nd, rack, implosion

VC. 1.17

neil1113

(7) - AGar, phokdapolees,

chaoslord54, shaddowez

, Aneninen, implosion, Malakittens
rack (2) -

neil1113

,

Elias_the_thief

tman2nd (1) - Oso
Not Voting (3) -

Tammy

, tman2nd, rack

This is the part where the wagon stalled for so long before finally reaching the lynch on scum. This stall was no doubt intentional. There was a lot of unvote revote, especially when neil came into the game. For now, what I see most suspicious was implosion's activity. He seems to be unvoting whenever there is a burst in Flame's voting activity and yet always revote. It would make sense that implosion is not sure whether there will be a lynch on his buddy and thus, whether he should buss his buddy. I will spend more time looking at the specifics of this interaction. For now, implosion looks scummy from this.

For now I have to leave for appointment.

I'll come back with Day 2 analysis and Verdict soon.

Day 1 Part 2 by NPIAU

[Bert]

I crashed and slept on the floor in the middle of reading.

Okay, so if AGar did bus his whole team again, sthar doesn't make that much sense. Next to no interactions with that slot except weakly worded questions. Anen's slot would fit into the bussed scum based on his Anen pushes that didn't accompany real vote or explanation. Just "fine if Anen isn't getting lynxhed, I'll vote X."

Otoh, interactions with nopoint's slot felt like AGar actually was pushing to see if others might vote on nopoint's wagon.

/mobile

Bbl

[Bert]

Tl;dr I am tempted to believe that AGar shockingly didn't buss both partners...

Am I crazy?

[Bert]

Yes, you should provide ansuz!

(1) Threat to scum!
(2) not the biggest threat to scum, even if pseudo-confirmed. Nacho was the most active player the past two game days in terms of pushes/content
(3) that is the question only the scum have the answer for!
(4) are you saying you'd like to massclaim? that's the only way to find out how many PR's there are, and to find out more about this setup
(5) Sure it is.
(6) Because most people here have been busy IRL.
(7) Nacho's a big threat to scum when town and a common nightkill like Tammy. There is nothing else about the NK to see there really. I have played many games with him before.

[Bert]

I think:

it is Anen after reading the game last night. Even after his scumreads died in my old completed game with him, he still kept leading out with pushes on different players (EVEN after I died, he went after Riddleton immediately the next day or so, irrc). Plus his hesitancy to even vote me yesterday was extremely weird, despite him calling all my answers weak and everything. Also, if AGar bussed, it looks like it was Anen.

However, I'm afraid I'm overlooking sthar or NPIAU. And then Nacho called sthar the last scum pre-death. He did a lot more work on this game than I did, and has more skills so.....I think I have to vote sthar here or suggest definitely considering one tomorrow, although I *think* I'm the designated lynch today or tomorrow if there is one.

My other biggest suspect besides Neil is chaos lord. He just feels like he's trying to look involved in the game but really isn't trying to figure out the game.

I have the same feeling with Elias though. He also still didn't answer my question why it was wifom for my tell with Rack. It's my tell, and unless Rack had been in a game with me where I used that tell to call someone town, then it can't be wifom. And really it would be silly in the first place. it's like he's trying to argue that Rack went oh Tammy thinks unhelpful people tend to be town so I'm going to claim to have meta and then refuse to answer because then Tammy will call me town for refusing to answer. And that wasn't the point I was making in the first place, considering I ended up calling it a null town. Oh also scum aren't more preservationists than town. Some people hate getting mislynched worse than correctly lynched. I feel like Elias is focusing on the wrong thing there, and asked me a question about it just to do it. It felt like busy work.

Elias was replaced by DV. Chaos was replaced by NPIAU.

I still like my town reads for the most part. If Neil comes back scum, I think I'll feel even better about Agar as it doesn't feel like a bus. I think. Well that's how I feel right now.

So, Mala and Tammy had NPIAU as top scumread when they died. Nacho had sthar. I don't know what to do. So I guess I should look at this game and try to post something that isn't terrible for once later today (don't count on it though! I am burned out)!

Do I put myself aside (smart move IMO) and sheep? But sheep whom??? Or do I see how an Anen vote feels. Nah.

So.

VOTE: nopointinactingup

Vote is but a token, as the wagon *probably* becomes me.

Short case on Berty:

Point 1: VCA analysis and possible interaction with scum-Neil.

Point 2: Latest posts with fluff, unfulfilled promises and role speculation --> Scum

Point 3: Process of elimination indicates that Bert-Agar is likely scum.

I'm fine with an AGar lynch too. Why don't you think Bert is scum?

Ok
VOTE: Agar

That's L-1

Hello all. My feeling after the Malakittens Vanilla Townie reveal is that notscience is a friendly neighbor. Just throwing that out there.

This shows that you've put a lot of thoughts about this. Perhaps overnight.

~~~~
I'm not willing to lynch [notscience, nacho, ane or sthar] today btw. That leaves Agar and Bert. Possibly both are scum.

Vote:Bert

This leads to AGar later self-voting. nopointinactingup picks me over AGar for no explicable reason, and then once he switches, AGar comes in after lurking a whole day and self-hammers. He called me out for "inactivity, putting a lot of thoughts in overnight (??), etc?"

Then, consider what he said about AGar at the end of Day 3. How does that lead to AGar and me being his top scumreads? Why put AGar in the pool?

Agar's play today has been bad, but that in no ways warrantee a lynch. He's been on the Flame/Neil wagon all Day 1. We've got scummier fish to fry, aka Implosion.

VOTE: nopointinactingup
VOTE: nopointinactingup
VOTE: nopointinactingup
VOTE: nopointinactingupVOTE: nopointinactingupVOTE: nopointinactingup



FULL CIRCLE I JUST WENT FULL CIRCLE

[Bert]

I really want town to win, in spite of my own play. it just does not look good if tomorrow is 3P LYLO without a confirmed town or someone I think will win us the game because he/she has it going this game. I really hope I'm wrong!

I really think Anen is the last scum, but I am honest with myself that my reads typically are terrible and based on 0.00001% reasoning (to be kind, I made it a nonzero percentage, although it should be zero given my involvement in this game), that there are well-reasoned reads from dead people that are 150% worth sheeping/following, that they were killed because of their influence, and that meta (regarding AGar's tendencies, Anen's play) is extremely unreliable when used by a player like myself for a myriad of reasons (small sample size, them being aware of their meta, etc.).

2 dead people went for NPIAU. Nacho stopped the wagon himself though. So he saw something some of us didn't. However, Mala saw something in NPIAU too. I DONT KNOW

when in doubt, just sheep!

WOOOOOO

Spoiler: FOR GOOD LUCK

We have kitty support!!!!!!!!

[Bert]

I suppose I will let both of you to spend much time and energy to make cases on the other/speak up to defend yourself because I'm a sadist ..

Spoiler: I ain't got no time for dat!

Ok. L-1. Don't hammer

unless there's a counter claim

, then we find scum.
I'm Macho Odd Night Cop. Let's mass claim
I investigated Mala (Chaos did) and Nacho respectively

Why would you say "don't hammer unless there's a counterclaim." If you're town, why would you have any reason to believe scum would counterclaim you and auto-lose???

OKAY so nopointinactingup's predecessor's play corroborates the claim - so even if it's scum, it was set up days in advance

Here's the Day 1 post-Neil-cop-claim post by chaoslord54 (nopoint's predecessor).

Emergency V/LA Mod for the next couple of days, at least.

I'm not sure when I'll get internet again, the electric was cut off because my wife forgot to pay it. *sigh* So I'm trying to view this from my phone but there's like 10000 pages, and there's no possible way I can accurately type this out, and read everything on a phone. If I'm at L-1 right now, and people are still seriously considering lynching me, don't. At least not yet, give me a chance to play.

I'm a Cop. Which should explain a little bit about my attitude, especially toward my predecessor. I promise once I have access, I'll answer every question addressed to me.

Guys we should not believe him. Of course he's going to try and claim a role like that when he's about to be lynched. He knows that it could keep him alive for a while and if the real cop CCs him then scum know who to take out on the first night. I think we should take the risk, lynch him, and figure it out tomorrow.

Day 2 opening post by chaoslord54

Hey guys I will post a longer post in the morning but I want to mention this early on.

My strongest town read is now malakittens.

Ill post the rest of my reads tomorrow and will also explain my reasoning as well.

So the mala "cop" was crumbed. That is such an obvious PR crumb. How could scum not pick up on that unless they aren’t paying attention????????????????? Maybe chaos’s huge sudden townread on Mala made her uncomfortable maybe?

Anyone here I'm ready to discuss. I'm at L-1 if I'm not mistaken and I think scums are already on my wagon (Implosion + NS/Bert).

Then WHY would you investigate Nacho if you said this at the end of DAY THREE?????

Did you miss where Mala soft claimed and "cleared" notscience?

I'm phone bound tonight so not of much use for discussion.

Re: implosion - May I ask what the difference is for you between town and scum cruising?

Also Nacho I haven't linked what Mala said about NP, I'll remind myself to tomorrow

I have actually.

Scum cruising do not explain their votes. They do not try to sound like they are producing content like Implosion did.

I was cruising. Nacho was not. Why did you suspect Nacho at all Night 3? You made no mention of suspecting him....

Ok since you can never get over your tunneling for my slot. Let's lynch Implosion first.

Then tomorrow you can lynch me if you want. PLEASE?

Why would you say this "you can lynch me tomorrow." Why would you offer this kind of compromise as a vital PR??

Agar's play today has been bad, but that in no ways warrantee a lynch. He's been on the Flame/Neil wagon all Day 1. We've got scummier fish to fry, aka Implosion.

You came into Day 3 with huge suspicions on me ALONG WITH A VOTE on phokdapolees. You didn't remove it until you said you would give me time to catch up.

Why, why, why would you investigate Nacho Night 3 instead of me. I don't get it, sorry. Your top scumread. Who is unlikely to die at night due to all the scumreads on him. And thus I don't believe your claim.

[Bert]

Anyone here I'm ready to discuss. I'm at L-1 if I'm not mistaken and I think scums are already on my wagon (Implosion + NS/Bert).

You say you think the scums are already on your wagon. No mention of Nacho/BPC.

Ok. L-1. Don't hammer unless there's a counter claim, then we find scum.
I'm Macho Odd Night Cop. Let's mass claim
I investigated Mala (Chaos did) and Nacho respectively

These are two very different reactions to being at lynch -1. Today's reaction was much more full of panic. Similar situation. Not LYLO.

[Bert]

Here's my theory if you're scum. My theory is mafia is full of goons. You have a safe fakeclaim. Your predecessor probably crumbed cop in advance of a potential fakeclaim. Then, today, "clearing" one living person makes the game harder for scum to win, as it limits the mislynches town can go after. So you say "Nacho," instead of your top scumread.

Let's say you "clear" me today. So, I'm town, and notscience is town based on friendly neighbor (confirmed by Mala). If you live for tomorrow, you have to "investigate/guilty" sthar or Anen (whichever one ISNT lynched today) before LYLO. It automatically becomes you vs. whichever you "fake guilty."

Just "clearing" a dead person makes this much more simple for your win. There are much less confirmed players that way.

I do not see how your mindset suddenly goes to "let's investigate Nacho" after you were very suspicious of my play (along with implosion's) throughout Day 3. Your top two scumreads, me being your top.

[Bert]

"clear me night 3," I meant. well, seeing as you're "odd night," even Agar would have made much more sense than Nacho as an investigation. Sorry I'm getting mixed/jumbled up with the odd night and what day it is, etc.

tl;dr: why not investigate me night 3. why investigate nacho. please answer that

[Bert]

"clear me night 3," I meant.

Tmand: Has both town and scum points. I like that he moved off rack early when [Flames/Rack] competing wagon in VC1.09 but his unvoting on Neil is scummy. Null to scummy
Bipolar: Some points against him in VCA, but Deasvail flip is some evidence he could be town. Null to scummy
Implosion: Unvote revote on Neil was scummy. [Likely scum]
Phok: A lot of scummy points from interaction with Neil [Likely scum]

day 3 scumreads. Nacho is null to scummy. I'm likely scum. ?????

Hello all. My feeling after the Malakittens Vanilla Townie reveal is that notscience is a friendly neighbor. Just throwing that out there.

This shows that you've put a lot of thoughts about this. Perhaps overnight.

~~~~
I'm not willing to lynch [notscience, nacho, ane or sthar] today btw. That leaves Agar and Bert. Possibly both are scum.

Vote:Bert

why didn't you crumb your innocent on Nacho here at the start of day 4?????????? just one general townread list?????

[Bert]

bert

wtf are you doing

are you actually scum

no

im about to go to sleep though

im sorting through my paranoia because investigating nacho makes no sense

[Bert]

Idk about you

but I investigate nacho for being nacho

Ok maybe I'm biased

He's just likely to die as town, so living long for him is the biggest red flag of all

And as a cop, I always bypassed investigating him in old newbies...

[Bert]

You 50/50 lose a confirming chance when the time for claiming comes by investigating him

By the time it matters, if he's inno (and he was the only town leader) there's no way he survives until LYLO barring protection

[Bert]

If Anen would stop being so cautious about expressing his opinions, I would say it's Sthar.

P-edit: I'm talking about Nacho dying, not you

[Bert]

Idk about you

but I investigate nacho for being nacho

Ok maybe I'm biased

He's just likely to die as town, so living long for him is the biggest red flag of all

And as a cop, I always bypassed investigating him in old newbies...

This and the posts after it are referring to Nacho

Have you played with Nacho before?

I have like 20 games at least with Nacho and Notscience

In addition to many hydra games with both aka two players on one account

[Bert]

VOTE: Anen

Also I don't like how you want to watch me argue with sthar.

I think Anen's likelier and narrowing the pool to two without Anen makes Anen's win if scum really easy....

Cake walk

/mobile

[Bert]

I came around, after initial shock at you not investigating me.

I replaced into this game with you voting me.

I still don't agree with your choice of copping but that's a moot point

Just gotta pick out which of star or Anen it is for tomorrow

[Bert]

Oh massclaim?

I'm a VT.

Notscience I think im slow with thinking

Like I need coffee or tea but I wanna sleep tonight lol

[Bert]

You gotta consider Anen

After how AGar bussed so hard, led the Neil wagon. In that VC, see how Agar is on the flames wagon already?

[Bert]

I said I was okay with being lynched in past games

But as town that's because a VT has nothing to lose.

I found it weird how you conceded and said "if implosion is town you can lynch me tomorrow"

But I guess maybe it's a smokescreen for scum to not find you

I'm still shocked scum didn't see Chaos crumb the Mala townread. Even I spotted that today

[Bert]

I really think Star would notice a big crumb like that. And yet all nights have had a kill. So you werent saved by a scum NK targeting you probably? I mean if DeasVail saved you took a bullet for you, then scum could just gun you down the next night.

Unless Anen or Sthar claim a killing role or something
Anen

Anen has been max effort since D1. But yet I think suspected you? I don't remember


Wait no. Sthar has been VLA a ton...and replaced in late for a newbie?

So yeah sthar makes more sense as scum.

I think it's sthar

[Bert]

Then why would Anen jump OFF the leading wagon (which is Rack) and into Flames as well? Do you think scums are that determined to lynch their partner? I mean I can understand Agar bussing by sitting all day on Flames but it is virtually impossible for Anen to be jumping his partner right when a mislynch is likely going to happen

if implosion is town you can lynch me tomorrow
--> Mainly because I want to investigate N3. It WAS DAY 3

People set up busses for reasons

Bussing is popular. It's no accident AGar voluntarily bussed Neil

Anen isn't clear. So should be in consideration

[Bert]

Kay gotta leave. Read up. Whether you like it or not, it looks like you or Sthar to me.

I should go occupy myself with other things for tomorrow morning

Anyways, I won't argue with you on that. Because you probably die tonight assuming town, anyways.

So tomorrow if I die, notscience will make the choice of Anen or Sthar.

That's what matters most.

[Bert]

I'm sooo about to crash any minute

Ok so

I am bad. In old games sometimes well, ok yeah, sometimes just vig/cop/JK people trying to be selfish and the "hero" and go after "smarter scum" instead of helping town more and narrowing down options for town by killing/investigating a top scumread of town's or yours.

So that's the way I can kinda see how nacho
, since u had him as null.


The downside of not narrowing down for town successfully among the living - is if me and agar both flipped town, then you're stuck in LYLO, and nacho if town probably is already dead, etc., etc.

Which is exactly where we are.

I have talked myself into believing the cop claim

I still haven't come to terms that if Anen is scum, this game is practically already over

And I'm not perfectionist but still like guaranteed wins if they seldom happen lol

[Bert]

I was a confirmed Mason in Organic Chemistry

[Bert]

I claimed on Day 1.

[Bert]

VOTE: Anen

[Bert]

In the past 365 days I have 90+ completed games.

What game am I "forgetting"?

[Bert]

Oh you replaced in before my death?

Why did u read me town there???

:/

Well you're in trouble tomorrow if I die today, so it will be a dichotomy with you and Anen
That's why I'm looking ahead

[Bert]

You know notscience will sheep nacho and with VCA will surely vote you over Anen.

So will nopoint if he miraculously lives because of VCA.

[Bert]

Why didn't you correct me earlier when I said I remember you replacing in after I died in 1585?

[Bert]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6111616

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6107269

Your last posts before I died

You forgot some things too

[Bert]

Like not town reading me in that game

Lol.

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sthar8
Mafia Scum


Joined : April 29, 2008
Location: Eastern Washington
Pronoun: He
Post #1374 (ISO) » Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:31 pm
I could lynch konowa or bert. Not voting until Guy's caught up.
GTKASthar!
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sthar8
Mafia Scum


Joined : April 29, 2008
Location: Eastern Washington
Pronoun: He
Post #1385 (ISO) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:03 am
Konowa's scum from VCA and bert's claim is teh garbaege. I don't want to derphammer and cut someone off, but I'm ready to end the day.
GTKASthar!
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Th

Also the day before that I was never a townread, just a "let's not lynch today"

Ten u asked me to claim target

And you never specified why Or if I was town about a single thing

[Bert]

I know that basicly all of my votes since Day2 have terrible and the lack of my posts is not a good sign as well. In spite of these I still have questions.

First of all, what is Notscience?
Because, this is a Friendly Neighbour: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... y_Neighbor
And this is a Neigbourizer: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighborizer

According to MalaKittyPryde's play, he's the first one. However, according to Notscience's post (1036) he's the second one.
Besides MalaKitty, whom did you target, Notscience?

I'm recommending your lynch tomorrow

Why are you only asking questions

Either friendly neighborizer or neighbor should be similar

I'm guessing friendly neighbor and neighborizer are combined

So that Mala and notscience had a QT. And Mala was alerted of notscience alignment

Does that makes sense?

[Bert]

Tomoro because the chance of your lynch today is 0.

[Bert]

Anen could you write me a wonderful 500 word essay

About why you think I'm scum?

[Bert]

HOLY GUACAMOLE RAVIOLI!!

Spoiler: <333333

I must refrain from posting during the late night...it's tempting to because I was inactive for the past two game days unless it was during the night...I'm not going to read my own whining, but you're welcome to!!!

[Bert]

Hi! Too lethargic atm but

Spoiler: voodoo

Here to field questions...will answer Saturday morning if any are fielded and thrown my way



Anen's latest two posts - I don't follow the "Nacho cop possibility" part

But I like that you asserted yourself so that's a plus.

The reasoning however, that I may be town because of how I voted Agar, is flimsy for me.

How does my voting pattern outweigh how weak my answers/posts are to you? The last few game days you have been less than impressed with my answers

Also, what were your reads on my r predecessor Phok? And sthar's predecessor?

Wait I'll look that up after I wake up

How much do those reads of replaced players influence your currentt reads?

/mobile

[Bert]

Star now that I pulled up how you have never "townread" me "correctly," after you said you did -

It does not surprise me that you have no answer to my evidence of that old game.

With that said Your lack of visible re-evaluation is worrying

[Bert]

Last post sorry. Anywas I'm still thinking Anen is scum.

However I'm surprised Anen isn't trying to take me out today if scum though

Because I've made it clear that the player I have extensive past old game experience with is likely alive tomorrow as conftown barring things not being/going the way they seem, and Anen-scum has a much easier road to victory in 3P LYLO in a 1v1 with sthar.

[Bert]

Okay. I'll look at Day 1 today as well.

[Bert]

Anen, two questions for ya! TWO Q's

(1) Why did you wait until after sthar reached Lynch -1 to say that you think sthar is scum?

(2) This below quote felt so nervy/nervous. Why do you think you look terrible right now? I don't understand the timing because no one else other than myself is scumreading you.

Shyt, ignore that, there is only one vote for me. I thought there were two.
And this confirms that I've still been unable to read everything carefully.

I know that I look terrible now but please, at least let me post before lynching me. Okay?

[Bert]

Your false dichotomy between me and Anen today is bullshit. Your opening the lynch pool to include NP was bullshit. Your burst of energy, the only one you've had in the game, coming just before lylo right after your partner's lynch when someone suspects you, is bullshit.

You guys are being morons.

Yeah, this vitriol doesn't really belong in this game. This last post just calls all of my posts out without explaining why. Just attaching "bullshit" next to all my posts? I don't see town motivation behind any of that.

I've had enough.

VOTE: sthar8

Hope Nacho was right about you. Sayonara. And if somehow you're town, I'll take my chances that I can continue to connect with notscience who I know reads me very well and can figure me out in a potential LYLO.

[Bert]

I mean, if you're not going to have an open mind to at least evaluate anything, then there is really no point

I didn't even come in planning to vote you tonight. I was going to use a few more days to look at things