Mini 1596: Minimence I Game Over!!!

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:47 am

In post 1613, acryon wrote:I get this, but they were both pushing him before today. Same goes for the others. None of these came out of nowhere.

elyse was neutral-scum all the time

"logic says town, gut says scum" or some stupid shit

dla only got into elyse's scumreads in twilight yesterday, if I recall correctly

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:00 am

those are both cases of hip-scum?

rc/elyse being scum has no influence on whether or not there's a quickhammer if hiplop is scum, which is why I didn't say anything about it

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:17 am

In post 1620, acryon wrote:
In post 1619, Bicephalous Bob wrote:those are both cases of hip-scum?

rc/elyse being scum has no influence on whether or not there's a quickhammer if hiplop is scum, which is why I didn't say anything about it

You said:

In post 1603, Bicephalous Bob wrote:
from town dla's point of view, either rc and elyse are both scum, or hiplop is
in any other case there would've been a quickhammer

This is a mutually exclusive statement. So your post would include teams of Hip/Elyse/x and Hip/RC/x in the "other case"s part.

that was sloppy

I meant to say that if hiplop isn't scum, rc and elyse have to be

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:17 am

...from dla's point of view

god

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:20 am

In post 1621, DarkLightA wrote:
In post 1606, Bicephalous Bob wrote:dla, do you think it's more likely that I'm scum than that hiplop is town and elyse and rc are both scum?

Yes.

that's not right, let's try again: do you think it's more likely that the scum team is rc/elyse/me than that hiplop is scum in any team?

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:50 am

In post 1634, RedCoyote wrote:Bob, what are you getting out of this? From skimming it looks like you're asking the same question over and over again.

No, I phrased some things poorly, then I spent a page clarifying stuff.

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:09 pm

Slandaar, do you still think scum have a strongman after the kush kill?

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:15 pm

from town hip's perspective, everyone who didn't hammer is conftown, which means the scumteam has to be dla/rc/elyse if he's town

this also means that from the moment he was put on L-1, hiplop was confirmed scum to any townie on the wagon, so unvoting didn't make any sense

dla, elyse, why did you unvote?

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:40 pm

Also I just realized acryon is conftown

Bicephalous Bob · Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:06 am

oh right acryon hasn't been on yet while hiplop was on L-1

Bicephalous Bob · Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:38 am

one of acryon/hip has to be town

Bicephalous Bob · Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:37 am

that's terrible

Bicephalous Bob · Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:42 am

why would you keep a pet scum in 7p lylo

Bicephalous Bob · Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:45 am

I don't think scum dla would whiteknight town hiplop though, which means dla/rc/elyse is impossible, which means hiplop is scum

Bicephalous Bob · Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:29 am

dla how sure are you hiplop is scum on a scale from 0 to 100

Bicephalous Bob · Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:31 am

also acryon please don't answer those questions before dla answered his

Bicephalous Bob · Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:44 am

you were pushing me as the alternative when you came up with the plan:

In post 1575, DarkLightA wrote:UNVOTE:

An option would be lynching bob today, and asking hiplop to protect slandaar.

why change to elyse now you know the plan won't go through?

In post 1695, DarkLightA wrote:
In post 1693, Elyse wrote:I need an answer to the second question. Just name someone.

You

and why didn't you think the massclaim was a good idea?

Bicephalous Bob · Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:23 am

In post 1700, Elyse wrote:I would always lynch scum.

Also I am now conftown as DLA would be willing to lynch me over hiplop to save acryon which would make no sense if we were scum together.

(DLA is confscum)

nah he was pushing for my lynch when he came up with the plan

only when he knew it didn't go through he named you

why were you so interested in his noncommital scumread?

Bicephalous Bob · Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:10 pm

hiplop is confirmed scum to you

Bicephalous Bob · Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:06 am

I don't think rc's train of thought on slandaar is particularly bad, for what it's worth, but

In post 1719, RedCoyote wrote:Does no one else see that Slandaar is trying everything he can to stop the hiplop lynch? I'll shut up now because I know I haven't argued this the proper way... if I had a better tongue I'd be able to say this more convincingly.

unless you think it's hiplop/slandaar/me, why do you think one of {dla, elyse} would hardbus hiplop while slandaar tries to get another lynch going?

Bicephalous Bob · Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:17 am

In post 1715, Elyse wrote:
In post 1713, Bicephalous Bob wrote:
In post 1700, Elyse wrote:I would always lynch scum.

Also I am now conftown as DLA would be willing to lynch me over hiplop to save acryon which would make no sense if we were scum together.

(DLA is confscum)

nah he was pushing for my lynch when he came up with the plan

only when he knew it didn't go through he named you

why were you so interested in his noncommital scumread?

I'm trying to find out who he would have gone for had he saved hiplop. That's pretty important.

what incentive does DLA have to not lie about an unrealizable hypothetical?

when he still thought he could sway people over, he was pushing for my lynch

I said this before and after the first post in this tree

I clearly implied the fact that he switched to you afterwards ties you together even more

what use do you think it has to force an associative tell through our throats?

Bicephalous Bob · Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:40 am

I don't have anything to say anymore

acryon can vote whenever he's ready to die

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:04 am

In post 1785, Slandaar wrote:Hiplop claimed to target me before Acryon claimed or massclaim happened. The argument is that Hiplop targetted me and told the truth about it because otherwise he could have blocked a PR and gotten lynched for it. Similar to why he claimed TRUTHFULLY on Candice, because if he didn't Candice claims and bye bye Hiplop.

why wouldn't he block his buddy?

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:07 am

In post 1788, Slandaar wrote:That isn't a question.

Why would he block his buddy?

to pseudo-confirm him?

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:11 am

I mean, he wouldn't even have to actually block anyone

from hiplop's perspective the safest thing is to do nothing and claim he blocked a buddy

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:23 am

yeah he should actually block a goon

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:16 am

rc is likely scum, still

In post 1813, Slandaar wrote:It's possible because he isn't confirmed scum but at the same time I don't see him being town. Some of his arguments against Espresso particularly were really bad.

why did you pretend not to see this and other things yesterday

Bicephalous Bob · Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:47 am

here I am

it has to be one of {slandaar, rc} with one of {dla, elyse}, or we've lost already (no way it's rc/slandaar/hip)

I don't think I'll have time to reread the first days with this info until halfway through day 5, but right now I'm thinking hip/rc/dla

Bicephalous Bob · Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:16 am

rc why do you think slandaarman stayed away from the hip wagon while his partner hard-bussed?

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:12 am

she's going from your perspective in that post

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:14 am

slandaar voted rc

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:16 am

In post 1912, DarkLightA wrote:Why couldn't that be bussing?

because they're obviously not on the same team

And why does that mean Elyse and me can't be on a team?

oh come on

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:03 am

In post 1910, DarkLightA wrote:Why can't I be scum with elyse?

In post 1911, Bicephalous Bob wrote:slandaar voted rc

think about the direct implications

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:18 pm

considering slandaar scum is all I do these days

I even asked you a question about him!

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:41 pm

In post 1920, Bicephalous Bob wrote:considering slandaar scum is all I do these days

I even asked you a question about him!

In post 1897, Bicephalous Bob wrote:rc why do you think slandaarman stayed away from the hip wagon while his partner hard-bussed?

a subtle hint

Bicephalous Bob · Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:49 pm

sal can you prod rc

Bicephalous Bob · Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:51 am

Slandaar, what's your reason for not voting RC? I think I know but I'd like to be sure.

Bicephalous Bob · Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:55 am

In post 1944, RedCoyote wrote:Anyway, I don't think I should or ought to vote first. I know I'm town and I think I'm the worse position here lynch-wise. Therefore I'm going to be conservative with my vote today. If I get quicklynched, so be it, but I'm not going to come out immediately and vote you just to watch a hypothetical Elyse/DLA scumteam jump at that opportunity (again, not saying that's the case, just hypothesizing).

slandaar and hiplop voted you in lylo

why didn't the elyse/dla team hammer you back then

Bicephalous Bob · Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:12 am

I think it's DLA and I'm not just saying that to make the night kill even more wifomy

Bicephalous Bob · Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:10 am

RC, how likely is elyse scum?

Bicephalous Bob · Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:28 am

so it's either {hip, rc, elyse/dla} or {hip, slandaar, dla}

slandaar voting red could be to prevent dla vs me/elyse

slandaar pushing people to think about the csareo nk could be trying to get pay-off from their wifom kill (both to get suspicion on me and to make me doubt my reads)

if anyone can give me arguments against either of those things I'll be happy to vote rc

not that it'll make much of a difference

Bicephalous Bob · Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:26 pm

it's to make sure everyone understands why I'm asking you to disprove the two scenarios below but thanks

Bicephalous Bob · Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:59 pm

VOTE: rc

did we lose

Bicephalous Bob · Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:34 am

Bicephalous Bob · Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:42 am

I'm thinking that I should reread and that I don't have time for that right now

I'm also thinking something else but expressing that would put a damper on discussion

Bicephalous Bob · Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:20 pm

Thanks!

Bicephalous Bob · Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:44 pm

whoops

Bicephalous Bob · Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:47 pm

Bicephalous Bob · Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:52 pm

I do want to reread the game before voting. This will probably happen saturday-ish.

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:23 am

yeah dla is probably scum

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:58 am

That "woo indeed" is really weird. Elyse's "woo" should feel incredibly dishonest to you, so why did you copy her terminology?

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:03 am

I mean you must've made that post right after the realization that elyse is 100% scum

Bicephalous Bob · Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:11 am

Elyse, why do you think I was taken to lylo instead of cs?

Bicephalous Bob · Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:53 am

Also, who do you think was a better kill for DLA, Slandaar or me?

Bicephalous Bob · Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:55 am

In post 1453, DarkLightA wrote:Hiplop... not so sure anymore. I'll have to think about it tomorrow. The role claim makes him look bad though.

What made you doubt your hiplop read here?

Bicephalous Bob · Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:56 am

relevant:

In post 1248, DarkLightA wrote:Holy fuck. Just did an ISO of hiplop and he is as scummy as the sky is blue.

VOTE: hiplop

He is confirmed as either town JK or scum RB (or scum JK..) in 1036/1037. However, his ISO pings scum so hard on my radar it's not even funny. One of the interesting things I noticed was that he seems to treat reading and contributing to the games like a chore. See his comment about having to read another page in 169, and his over-reaction(?) to having his post disappear 105 when it took him 8 minutes to re-write it. Sure, it would be annoying, but it seems like he's writing it more in order to seem to be productive than for the sake of finding scum.

Bicephalous Bob · Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:18 am

DLA, you said in the post I quoted above hiplop's entire ISO pinged, not just his claim

why did it stop pinging?

Bicephalous Bob · Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:41 am

I did some rereading.

VOTE: dla

Bicephalous Bob · Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:07 pm

Bicephalous Bob · Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:44 am

the thing that struck me when I reread was that when DLA pushed RC for not realizing slandaar was scum from his POV, RC took forever to call him out on his hypocrisy

I figured RC probably knew that he was getting lynched at that point and that the tell would be "proven" so I took his reluctance to focus attention on the fact that DLA did the same thing as a way to protect the last member

Salamence20 wrote:
Spoiler: N2 actions
Hiplop blocks Slandaar (No effect!)
Acryon protects slandaar (Success!)
Elyse kills Candice (Success! Town cop)
Candice investigates Elyse (Success! guilty)

this should have been the end for scum

Bicephalous Bob · Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:32 am

also you probably would've voted me in lylo if I'd managed to save you from the noose