Mini 1618: Profia (Game Over)

[Belisarius]

I'm tempted to say "let's lynch the lurks" but that seems to get me killed. I guess we'll have to let them go without penalty.

Maybe you have to, but I am under no such constraint.

VOTE: Aronis

Let's get this shit done.

I started reading the game before I knew if I'd get the slot or not, so consider me for all intents and purposes fully caught up. You don't get to know my town reads though.

[Belisarius]

why don't we get to know your town reads?

I'm not really interested in helping scum decide who to NK.

[Belisarius]

There is a lot of disparity among people on who is the most "town."

That there may be, but if I don't

know

that player x is definitely not getting lynched, then neither does the scum until SURPRISE! Universal townread survives to lylo and wins the game. Don't you want that to happen? I want that to happen.

[Belisarius]

Read impressions, on a spectrum! If you need a write up, I am either getting to that (unlikely) or will do a halfhearted one upon request.

Consider that request made. Why is your vote and strongest scumread on a player you've not talked about or to?

[Belisarius]

I started to read dragonspawn's ISO and did not like where it was going, so I ate an ice cream. Then I admitted to myself that up to 242, which was his last post before I posted my reads at 245, he reads very town, very clean. My read on him was lazy and not well-researched; half of it, I am sure, was letting the crowd do the read for me (posts 19, 20, 56, 57 are examples), and the other half was I do not trust being townread/defended by anyone since scum want to befriend/trick town and I could have won that lottery. That said, even his more neutral and/or passive posts are more along the lines of, "Let us think about this," than fluff like, "Time for episode six!"

So, uh, there is that. The take away for me is now acryon stands out a little more and I should look harder at Lynx (and probably everyone else).

UNVOTE:

Sure is nice to be almost entirely a nullread, huh, Belisarius? As much as I like you, I hope you have more questions and activity (though you voting does clearly rock), since that will help others get a feel for you via content. You will otherwise be pretty sparse, and no one, save yourself, should like that much.

I am okay with taking Aronis to L-1 and then to lynch if we are pressed for time (and I suspect we will be), but without a solid counter-wagon showing, I will be inclined to think we are hanging a bad player versus a scum. However, odds are odds, and bad players can be scum too.

VOTE: Aronis

Still talking like Hashi Lebwohl, I see.

But your vote is in the right place.

[Belisarius]

UNVOTE:

Same principle.

VOTE: Indigo Heron

[Belisarius]

A CC is highly unlikely in a closed setup, but I'm satisfied with this turn of events.

Assuming Aronis-scum, he's just narrowed his options for future play. He's going to have to come up with believable JK targets to avoid a lynch, and can't claim another PR later on. I'm not lynching him

today

, but if he stays alive, the option to lynch him later remains viable.

Assuming Aronis-town, we've restricted the scum's NK choices to a player who is highly unlikely to catch scum, and sent a message that we will

not

be allowing scum to stratlurk their way to a win this game. They're going to have to step up to the plate, increasing their chances of slipping up and getting caught.

[Belisarius]

Can we just not talk about that at all and let the scum WIFOM over it instead?

[Belisarius]

I'm actually not really sure that I buy Aronis's particular claim (JK seems like a slightly out there PR claim but that's just a 100 percent gut feeling that shouldn't get much stock) but obviously continuing to vote him at this point is a bad decision. I'd still like to see either Bruin or Lynx go down. It seems like Bruin in particular is escaping scrutiny right now, when he just did what was IMO a sketchy as hell unvote.

Are we reading the same game? Bruin looks to be under plenty of fire atm.

[Belisarius]

Would lyching IH give us a good start into Day 2?

Easy: He'd have a better chance of flipping scum.

Stratlurking is an effective scum strategy. I've won doing it, and it's time to make it stop being an effective scum strategy.

I'd also be satisfied with all slots actually playing the damned game, but as long as there's a slot that isn't, I want it gone.

[Belisarius]

I don't think he was even saying he finds me town, just that he likes what I'm doing right now.

[Belisarius]

Never leave a claimed town PR alive

VOTE: aronis

[Belisarius]

Can we lynch Madonna first then? She's our Rolecop. I'm just the 1-shot BP guy.

How the

hell

did you forget what you fakeclaimed so quickly?

Also confirming Lynx's claim. I was neighbourised last night and you're not lynching him today.

[Belisarius]

Madonna left the wagon, I think Aronis is L-2 right now.

[Belisarius]

While it's possible he and bel are scum trying to make each other look town with a fake claim

Do you really credit this as an actual possibility?

What scumpartner in their right mind would actually

consent

to such a gambit?

[Belisarius]

VOTE: Toshibite

The way his activity started high and petered out is literally textbook scum.

I think it was Albert B. Rampage's textbook, but that's still a textbook.

Who was Huntress's Neighbor

Who is not in this game, but the game he's modding is next up in the micro queue. *serious face*

[Belisarius]

Glad to see you back attacking inactives. Aronis was too pressing yesterday to keep to that mantra you had

This is bollocks and you know it. You scum, Director Lebwohl?

-I'm not attacking inactivity, I'm attacking a pattern of activity variation that is literally textbook scum

-

Yes

, Aronis most certainly

was

too pressing yesterday to keep any sort of mantra at all. He appeared to be

confirmed scum

due to his decision to lie. This is why you don't ever ever ever EVER lie as town. Ever. By the way, did I say ever?

[Belisarius]

@Belisarius, 664: What, merely carrying out my duties as I must; no scum here, sir.

Don't call me sir, my parents were married.

Assume there is one scum in {me, Toshibite, acryon}. Who do you vig?

[Belisarius]

Posting this in the clear on purpose : my read on Madonna has changed.

[Belisarius]

no thoughts on the likelihood in your own group of you, Lynx, dragonspawn, and acryon?

I know neighbourisers can be scum, but they usually aren't, hence I have no intention on lynching Lynx until lylo. I also don't expect both of us to be alive in lylo, so it's a moot point. I also won't self-vote, so including me in that list only makes sense if you're posing that question to someone else.

I'm having a hard time reading dragonspawn and acryon. Assuming one scum in that pairing, though, I'd place my bet on acryon purely on gut.

[Belisarius]

Oh yes.

VOTE: dragonspawn

In both my suspect pools.

The only suspect pool of yours I saw was {me, dragonspawn, acryon}. Where is this other pool?

I'm a bit leery of you gravitating back to dragonspawn after being asked about him before and immediately unvoting. What's your case? Why is dragonspawn a better lynch than me, acryon, or Toshibite?

[Belisarius]

Neighbors; that would be the other pool.

That's not much of a pool. Pacman's conftown and Bruin sure as hell looks like scum's designated mislynch for D1 to me.

I think I need a bit more time to think about this, though.

[Belisarius]

I thought about it. I'm in.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dragonspawn

[Belisarius]

Yeah, I didn't go and look up who the original claimed hood was, I thought it was bruin, pacman, indigo.

[Belisarius]

I'd side with dragon over Madonna.

Why?

[Belisarius]

On a related note, unofficial VC, since we're closer to deadline than I thought we were (and it's easy for me to track in a near-release script I'm using):

Vote Count 3.01

(L-1)

dragonspawn: (4) Madonna, Belisarius, LynxKuroneko, acryon
Madonna: (2) dragonspawn, evilpacman18

Not Voting: bruin228, Toshibite

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-11-13 18:30:00)

[Belisarius]

So, I have no fucking idea whether to vote bruin or Sleepy

[Belisarius]

Beli, why isn't Madonna an option for lynching? Is she conftown or something?

Not conftown, I'm just confident in my read.

[Belisarius]

Scumspects table for quick reference:

Beli : {SleepyKrew, bruin}
Madonna: {Beli, bruin}
Lynx: {Madonna, bruin}
bruin: {???,???}
SleepyKrew: {???,???}

I think this is lylo, so the fact that my scumspects are the ones who haven't taken a position is making me feel pretty good about the probability that there'll be a Day 4. What I'm not feeling good about is the probability of a 3p lylo with {Madonna, Lynx, last scum} and my townreads trying to kill each other.

[Belisarius]

I think you're scum, mate, I don't give a rodent's hindquarters why you haven't taken a position.

[Belisarius]

Are we okay with lynching bruin?

Not until he posts, at least to claim vig or not-vig.

[Belisarius]

Not voting. I don't want to put a hammer in Sleepy's hand's.

[Belisarius]

well, another hammer.

[Belisarius]

Seriously?

[Belisarius]

I. Am. Scumreading. You.

[Belisarius]

Guys I just checked my Role again and I'M THE GODDAMN VIG

Do you actually believe anyone to believe this shit?

So, Krew replaces a player who's following Lord Gurgi's scum text to the letter, waits to make sure there's no counterclaim, claims a PR, falsely calls himself conftown, and

actually expects to be believed?

William of Ockham is turning in his grave.

VOTE: SleepyKrew

Let's get this done and the game won guys.

SleepyKrew Delenda Est!

[Belisarius]

Not vig, not buying your claim.

[Belisarius]

PEDIT: what part of NOT HAMMERING YOU do you not get

The part where everything else your slot has done is slathered in bullshit.

After this happened I'm not inclined to getting talked out of voting obvscum by said obvscum. That cost me the game last time.

[Belisarius]

My dear Director Lebwohl, you seem to be full of reasons why I'm a bad lynch, yet you continue to call for my blood. Wherefore?

[Belisarius]

you will have to help me out with where it went wrong

-Acryon was always on the same wagon as me
-I refused to put bruin at L-1

These things are not consistent with a scum wincon.

What I've not seen from you is a reason I

should

be lynched, and that's not the kind of thought process I saw from you in that 2of4 game at EoFF.

[Belisarius]

I don't see the problem with either.

Good point-missing there.

You don't see the problem with both of these being mentioned by someone who hasn't given a single argument of equivalent strength why I could be scum, yet is pushing a wagon on me anyways?

[Belisarius]

You could do yourself a favor and save yourself when you know you are town and get rid of one of your reads.

Or I could have been wrong and handed the scum a win through overconfidence like I did in A Memory of Light. Never again.

[Belisarius]

Being lynched instead of enabling a mislynch absolves me of sole responsibility for the loss. In AMoL, my failure to see Cabdscum made me solely responsible for the scum win.

I will not repeat that mistake by assuming that you and Lynx are town regardless of how much I think Krew/bruin are more optimal lynches than yours truly. If I die today, it is presominantly

your

fault, not mine.

[Belisarius]

In fact....

UNVOTE:

Lynx, my vote is yours until I have quit smoking 100%. Use it wisely.

Mind you, I'm down to one cigarette a day, but any day that starts with a cigarette, I will not assert control of my vote.

[Belisarius]

@Lynx, 872: Despite Belisarius saying his vote was yours, I do not think you can vote on his behalf

No, he can't, but I can.

This wasn't asked for, but it was implied and I *do* think a NL is a pretty bad idea.

VOTE: bruin

I thought about it. I'm in.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: dragonspawn

Was this explained? I'll find out!

Did it need explaining? Did you read my 715?

Madonna talked me into changing from Toshibite to dragonspawn.

[Belisarius]

Two can play at that game. I'm a bulletproof infallible compulsive cop-pope and I investigated Madonna last night and received a result of Forneus, Duke of Hell.

Although on a more serious note, I suppose that fake claim makes it clear who the last scum is, even though it's not who I wanted it to be.

VOTE: Madonna

What you should have done was fake a result on Krew. That would have won you the game.

[Belisarius]

There's no holiday in Canada, so I may choose to flood this thread with spam until the gaming resumes.

[Belisarius]

I've not had a cigarette since early Tuesday morning. The desire to commit murder is conspicuously absent.

[Belisarius]

They just don't make TV dads like Ted Bundy anymore.

[Belisarius]

Well, at least I got someone's attention.

[Belisarius]

Flood to stop vote counts from comprising over 50% of the posts on this page.

[Belisarius]

So yeah, you should have listened to Madonna, we've known one another since roughly the Battle of Gallipoli.

Sorry for using you like a condom all game, Lynx. Not sorry enough to stop, obviously, but I felt bad.

[Belisarius]

Oh yeah, and the even-night doc claim was just insurance in case a town PR stopped my NK. It had to be you, since no non-me scum would have let both of us live to lylo the way we were cooperating all game long.

[Belisarius]

Encryptor role is scum...

Is it?

[Belisarius]

Good thing I resisted the urge to post that argument while the game was still going on, then

[Belisarius]

why was I killed btw?

We were hoping to hit the SK, and you were the least lynchable SK candidate.