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Beck · Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:17 pm

vote: josh

For stalking me

Beck · Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:18 pm

Llama, you are dashie right? If yes, sup

Beck · Post Post #17 (isolation #2) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:51 am

If we think they are stupid and unhelpful, why would we still answer them?

Beck · Post Post #19 (isolation #3) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:10 am

do you normally start games like this? if yes can you show me a game where you used those questions to find scum?

personally these questions looks to be a way to distract people from scum hunting.

Beck · Post Post #21 (isolation #4) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:44 am

Is there any particular reason I don't want to answer them? yes, I believe they are pointless and distract away from the task at hand, which is scum hunting and finding scum

Why am I fanning the flames? I'm not, I am genuinely curious about your history of asking these questions and if they have ever helped you find scum based on the answers. It doesn't seem like they do so that leaves me wondering why you would do something that doesn't serve a purpose. Aparently you do this as both town and scum though so i'll just scratch my head on this one.

Do I think rvs is more productive than RQS? Yes, I have helped lynch scum based on bad rvs'ing before, and seen other games where that has happened. RVS wagons in particular are extremely useful.

Beck · Post Post #23 (isolation #5) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:16 am

I'm trying to determine your alignment. How exactly is that distracting?

Beck · Post Post #27 (isolation #6) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:45 am

nice omgus

but seriously you have a huge flaw in your post, my /in actually kept mykonian from entering the game, AK would have missed it even if I didn't /in. lynch all liars?

Beck · Post Post #30 (isolation #7) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:03 am

In post 28, Josh_B wrote:Soo. your defense is that you actually sniped 2 players from being in this game. Case still stands.
Beck is scum IRL.

A man is entitled to change their mind

And lol at the teacher comment

Beck · Post Post #34 (isolation #8) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:37 am

You do realize the omgus was a joke right? The wink kinda gave that away

Beck · Post Post #40 (isolation #9) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:17 am

He didn't even answer his own questions...

Beck · Post Post #57 (isolation #10) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:01 am

IMO he deserves suspicion cast on him

Beck · Post Post #58 (isolation #11) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:15 am

And sense you are new, let me explain why.

The game usually starts with RVs cause nobody really has anything to go on, the goal is to get out of rvs quickly and start scum hunting. The act of rqs is another thing people to do, though less effective. Even TheS admits it's not really effective. The problem I have with his line of questioning is he wants everyone to answer, which means he's going to keep us in this stage much longer than it needs to be. It also doesn't really help the game progress. Now I know I'd probably get back flack for starting in with him, but I don't really mind the pressure, I love pressure.

Beck · Post Post #61 (isolation #12) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:27 am

Beck · Post Post #65 (isolation #13) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:22 am

In post 62, Thesp wrote:The sharp contrast here is poignant.

I disagree.

In post 62, Thesp wrote:No, actually, I didn't and don't.

oh my bad, I asked you a question about it and you didn't answer me. Could you please answer my original question

here it is again

can you show me a game where you used those questions to find scum?

In post 62, Thesp wrote:I think asking questions of people to get them engaged is miles better than arbitrary votes

From the games I have skimmed of yours so far they don't help you find scum, which makes since that you dodged my earlier request. If you can show me 1 game where these questions helped you find scum, i'll answer these questions. If you can't then we can just move on from these stupid questions as they serve no point.

Beck · Post Post #66 (isolation #14) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:25 am

In post 63, massive wrote:Do you think the votes that are piling up on you are random still? Or do you think people would say they're legit scumhunting now?

i think most of the votes on me are now probably legit, but I was expecting as much so i'm not worried about them, I don't think people are really going to policy lynch me because I called out thesp and his questions.

Beck · Post Post #68 (isolation #15) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:47 am

I'm not sure who scum is atm. Kinda had to scum hunt when nobody's doing anything but answering your questions or voting me for attacking you for asking the questions.

Beck · Post Post #70 (isolation #16) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:56 am

I'm causing a distraction, trying to get the first real wagon of the game. Its working I think

Beck · Post Post #71 (isolation #17) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:55 am

So since you dodged my question again...

What scum hunting are YOU doing?

Beck · Post Post #72 (isolation #18) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:58 am

Here's another question. Do you normally vote people who push back? I've found at least 1 other game where someone pushed back and you voted them, granted you were scum that game but I'm wondering if you have games where you do that as town also

Beck · Post Post #78 (isolation #19) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:23 am

In post 75, Thesp wrote:I don't think I dodged your question at all. I answered it both generally and specifically.

Wasn't really the answer I was looking for, but you did basically confirm that they don't really help you so my bad.

In post 75, Thesp wrote:He's claimed that me asking questions is something I do as town and scum, but that I deserve suspicion for it.

why does this bother you so much? You asking the questions is something you do as both alignment, I may be wrong here but I am willing to bet that more people are going to automatically write you off as town for asking such questions, especially newer players because it comes off like you are trying to be helpful. So the act of asking questions alone is a null tell. But my personal opinion about it being not useful at all and a hinderance to the game and as such you deserve pressure so i can better determine your alignment.

In post 75, Thesp wrote:He's claiming it's a distraction, but he's been the only one to actually make it a distraction.

This is false, If you have noticed i have not made a big deal about the questions and asked/demanded people not to answer them. I am letting people do what they want, I am giving my opinion, and i am questioning a player who is of unknown alignment to me. I think that means I am playing the game of mafia but I'm a little rusty

Beck · Post Post #79 (isolation #20) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:24 am

In post 77, TheDudeAbides wrote:Which policy?

the policy of how dare I question thesp and his questions that appear harmless.

Beck · Post Post #85 (isolation #21) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:56 am

In post 82, Thesp wrote:
In post 78, Beck wrote:
In post 75, Thesp wrote:I don't think I dodged your question at all. I answered it both generally and specifically.

Wasn't really the answer I was looking for, but you did basically confirm that they don't really help you so my bad.

Reading comprehension fail!

Phone playing the will do that sometimes

Beck · Post Post #87 (isolation #22) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:58 am

In post 80, TheDudeAbides wrote:
In post 79, Beck wrote:
In post 77, TheDudeAbides wrote:Which policy?

the policy of how dare I question thesp and his questions that appear harmless.

What do you think of Clusky?

No opinion yet

Beck · Post Post #90 (isolation #23) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:21 am

I'm at l-2 I believe.

I know he does it every game, I'm also entitled to express my distaste of it aren't I?

Beck · Post Post #104 (isolation #24) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:05 pm

In post 98, Phijkchu_Magikarp wrote:I still don't trust beck look at how scummy his posts are

None of my posts are scummy, thanks for playing

Beck · Post Post #107 (isolation #25) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:22 pm

So I'm scummy cause I disagree with someone and instead of biting my tongue, I speak out? Bullshit

Beck · Post Post #108 (isolation #26) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:25 pm

In post 106, Phijkchu_Magikarp wrote:it's just the way he's attacking thesp

Btw this is actually proving one of my "arguments that don't make sense" as correct, so thank you

Beck · Post Post #109 (isolation #27) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:33 pm

In post 108, Beck wrote:
In post 106, Phijkchu_Magikarp wrote:it's just the way he's attacking thesp

Btw this is actually proving one of my "arguments that don't make sense" as correct, so thank you

Actually 2 of them

vote: phijkchu

Beck · Post Post #111 (isolation #28) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:53 am

Who is lynch bait? Pikachu?

Beck · Post Post #114 (isolation #29) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:23 am

In post 112, Thesp wrote:rather than answering two easy questions and playing the game.

Funny you say this, the questions aren't part of playing the game. People actually have to stop playing the game to answer your questions. The questions don't help you find scum, and they certainly don't help others to find scum.

So by asking them you are preventing the game from being played, you are slowing the game down.

Beck · Post Post #116 (isolation #30) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:00 am

and this is my last post on the topic

My post is not wrong, deep down you know my post is actually the most truthful statement made this game.

What is the goal to this game? To find scum and lynch them. Do these questions help you find scum? no they don't.

I won't be getting lynched today so if you are town, your vote is being wasted. If you are scum carry on.

Beck · Post Post #119 (isolation #31) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:50 am

In post 115, Thesp wrote:This is one of the wrongest posts I have seen in several games.

I'm curious why you didn't comment on llama's post where he said RQS is more counter productive than rvs.

Beck · Post Post #120 (isolation #32) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:51 am

In post 73, Clusk92 wrote:Don't like TheDudeAbides early postings - they seem awkward. He can have my early vote

which posts in particular? I don't see anything wrong with his posts

Beck · Post Post #124 (isolation #33) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:48 am

In post 122, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 111, Beck wrote:Who is lynch bait? Pikachu?

Who else are you going after?

Just making sure.

Explain why you think he's lynch bait

Beck · Post Post #136 (isolation #34) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:16 am

In post 132, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 124, Beck wrote:
In post 122, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 111, Beck wrote:Who is lynch bait? Pikachu?

Who else are you going after?

Just making sure.

Explain why you think he's lynch bait

You don't get any vi vibes from him?

No

Beck · Post Post #147 (isolation #35) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:47 am

^ agree with that, like I said earlier the questions give people the false impression that thesp is automatically town.

Beck · Post Post #149 (isolation #36) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:27 am

Yes I called him out for it cause it serves no purpose. I'm a veteran also so I'm entitled to my opinion. Another veteran also said its counter productive.

So if you are town and honestly think I'm scum, you need better reasonings than me questioning thesp cause that isnt a scum tell, it's not even scummy.

BTW I did some research on thesp's past games and the last person.to question him and thesp reacted like he is this game, thesp was scum. So yeah thesp moves to the prob scum pile now. I thought he was just butthurt, but I.can't find any game(so far) where he got butt hurt as town.

Beck · Post Post #164 (isolation #37) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 3:12 pm

So can we lynch pm already?

Beck · Post Post #177 (isolation #38) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:30 am

In post 175, TheDudeAbides wrote:Let's lynch Luca Blight for avoiding this game.

Vote: Luca

Curious why you chose Luca out of all the lurkers?

Beck · Post Post #181 (isolation #39) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:49 am

Have you checked? Is he posting elsewhere?

Beck · Post Post #190 (isolation #40) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:30 am

In post 189, TheDudeAbides wrote:I was so gung ho to pressure Luca, but now I want to speed lynch PM.

Do it.

Beck · Post Post #194 (isolation #41) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:33 pm

It is a fairly legit scum tell. But I think a pm wagon is our best option

Beck · Post Post #203 (isolation #42) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:25 pm

In post 197, Lissa wrote:See Beck's 149 + his hop on Luca.
And Beck - link the Thesp scumgame please?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=58255

Beck · Post Post #215 (isolation #43) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:41 am

Explain how you say my reasons don't make sense, yet you use one of my reasons to defend thesp.

Beck · Post Post #234 (isolation #44) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:35 am

In post 233, Luca Blight wrote:I also don't get why Beck was as resistant as he was to the questions,

I've already explained it actually. The questions serve no purpose to the game of mafia. They don't help find scum and contrary to what thesp believes, they don't help find town. Making everyone answer them also slows the game down while waiting for everyone to make a useless post providing answers to questions that won't help find scum

Beck · Post Post #235 (isolation #45) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:36 am

Pressuring him actually helped move the game out of RVs and got à serious wagon going

Beck · Post Post #236 (isolation #46) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:43 am

In post 233, Luca Blight wrote:Beck pounced on Magikarp

False, magikarp said he didn't understand my reasons and voted me for attacking thesp's rqs, which is exactly one of my reasons.

It made no sense but proved it right at the same time is hypocritical and certainly scummy

Beck · Post Post #239 (isolation #47) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:48 am

In post 231, Thesp wrote:I still really think Beck is scum. I wish I knew for sure if Beck was scum

I can assure you I'm not scum and this push will probably end badly for town

Beck · Post Post #240 (isolation #48) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:50 am

In post 237, Luca Blight wrote:it seemed as though you were willingly continuing the argument

Reread again, cause that's certainly not what happend

Beck · Post Post #241 (isolation #49) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:51 am

In post 237, Luca Blight wrote:You claimed it distracts from scumhunting, is that the reason for your general lack of scumhunting so far? Are you that easily distracted?

I've found scum so what are you talking about?

Scum fell right into my trap

Beck · Post Post #243 (isolation #50) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:58 am

What you will see is me responding to people regarding the questions. I don't think I ever intentionally kept bringing it up out of the blue as you implied.

I was trying to figure out his alignment by attacking him, seeing how people respond to pressure is a very good way to determine alignment.

I wasn't doing anything similar to the thing I was trying to prevent.

Beck · Post Post #245 (isolation #51) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:03 am

I'm kinda torn though cause meta suggests that thesp is probably scum here but PMs defense and attack of me suggests that thesp is town. Pm saying she/he doesn't understand them and 1. Doeantnevwn bother to ask me to explain them and 2. Commiting one of the exact arguments I made as a reason to defend thesp, heavily implies a non town mindset

P.edit -this post better explains why he/she is scum

Beck · Post Post #248 (isolation #52) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:33 am

In post 237, Luca Blight wrote:I thought you made a much bigger deal of it than was necessary,

I wanted to respond to this one also.

Did I really make a big deal about it? I believe I asked thesp a question and he responded asking me more questions and it kept going back and forth. Why do I get all the blame and not thesp? He made it a big deal because I refused to answer out of principle, not the other way around. I mean he even voted me cause of my refusal to answer them.

Beck · Post Post #252 (isolation #53) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:43 am

More questions for you luca. I was never going to answer his questions because to me they serve no purpose. I also wanted to see how he was going to respond to my refusal. Why is my refusal scummy and his reaction to my refusal not? I mean he sort of got visually upset. Why would anyone gey upset over something meaningless like rqs?

P. Edit - so you say thesp, but your posts say otherwise. Sure you veil it as another thing but ultimately its cause I refused to "play along"

Beck · Post Post #254 (isolation #54) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:51 am

Almost all if not all my posts about them came in direct response to you and others...was I just supposed to ignore them? No

Beck · Post Post #255 (isolation #55) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:54 am

In post 253, Thesp wrote:Reading his posts is just awful, bizarre play that I'm having a hard time seeing a town player do

Could easily say the same about yours, and 100% applies to pm, hence my vote.

Town who doesn't understand something attempts to figure it out first before reacting. Pm had no interest at all. He's scum.

Beck · Post Post #257 (isolation #56) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:12 am

I don't think scum would defend a buddy. They get more from defending a townie. Though I'm not completely ruling it out, just less likely

Beck · Post Post #260 (isolation #57) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:03 pm

Emo is a bad lynch IMO, its pm. Trust me

Beck · Post Post #262 (isolation #58) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:10 pm

Cause I haven't seen anything scummy from her, what do you see?

Beck · Post Post #264 (isolation #59) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:26 pm

In post 263, Luca Blight wrote:The reason I have a problem with this is because you are trying to read someone based on something you found 'pointless' and which you admitted wasn't indicative of thesp's alignment, as he does this every game, and which was essentially just game theory, and because after you said this you completely dropped it and stopped 'trying to find his alignment'; it was as if he had suddenly made you realise the argument was stupid, and you tried to make out you were scumhunting when you were really just arguing about game theory.

You are missing the big picture I think. I wanted to see how he reacted. I wanted to see how others reacted also.

Beck · Post Post #266 (isolation #60) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:33 pm

Maybe upset is the wrong wording, he went aggressive towards me, like how dare I question him. He claims I kept bringing it back up but as I said almost all of my posts were direct responses to him and others. (I could show you if I get to a PC sometime soon)

I also pointed out the last time he reacted like that, he was scum. For some reason he hasn't commented on that yet, even after I provided a link and someone else agreed with me.

Beck · Post Post #283 (isolation #61) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:07 pm

In post 282, Luca Blight wrote:Your attitude appears anti-town. Making out a policy lynch is a great lynch isn't correct; the very nature of a policy lynch means it cannot be a 'great lynch'. The only ones it is great for is mafia, because the Town learns nothing from it.

Not entirely true, cause policy.lynches can be on scum also

Beck · Post Post #295 (isolation #62) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:31 am

In post 294, Phijkchu_Magikarp wrote:And also why is everyone going after me for my view point on rqs?

1. I don't think that is why people are voting you
2. That is basically the reason why you are voting me though
3. Why didn't you answer my earlier question
4. If yiu try to say #2 isnt true, then Why didn't you attempt to ask me questions to better understand my reasonings for pressuring thesp

Beck · Post Post #343 (isolation #63) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:36 am

In post 342, Thesp wrote:I still don't think he's putting himself out there in meaningful ways, and his push on me is way, way stronger than his push on the person he's voting.

1. I'm not sure what you mean by the first part
2. No my push on pm is way stronger than my push on you since I never tried to get you lynched.

I can't help the fact that my biggest scum read keeps dodging my questions. Pm is scum, you are blind to it cause he took your side and your ego won't let you see the forrest for the trees

Seems like a lot has been posted and they are quite wordy, will tty to comb through these posts today sometime

Beck · Post Post #344 (isolation #64) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:46 am

In post 294, Phijkchu_Magikarp wrote:In post 260, Beck wrote:
Emo is a bad lynch IMO, its pm. Trust me

Let's start it off with this post where beck is still attacking me. With beck defending emo and vise versa on why I'm a good lynch they could easily be scum together idk about third scum maybe Luca but all she did was get me to l-1. Beck at this point is pushing for my lynch trying get people off other trains

1. I wouldn't say i am defending emo, just giving my opinion that I don't think she is scum.
2. of course I am pushing your lynch and trying to get people off other trains. I think you are scum and I need help from others to lynch you.

Beck · Post Post #345 (isolation #65) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:57 am

In post 297, Luca Blight wrote:but having looked through some of his past games he seems to play this way regardless of alignment.

which games did you look at?

In post 300, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 299, emogirl123 wrote:
In post 298, Luca Blight wrote:'Anti-Town' could come from either alignment, but do I think there is possible scum-motivation behind her posts? Yes, hence my vote.
So my attitude can come from both alignments yet my vote on PM is scum motivated because I labeled it as a policy lynch. I didn't start the wagon, I asked for one. Egg started the wagon when he posted a case which stated the obvious. I don't understand which of my actions were scum-motivated according to you.

I've already been over it but I'll repeat myself one more time: making out a policy lynch, by your own words, is a great lynch. You have also posted mainly fluff today, done little in the way of scumhunting and it seems like you just want to wagon the easy target and get the day over with.

You admitted if Magikarp flips Town we learn nothing, right? You're saying it's a great lynch because we'd end up lynching him further down the line anyway, and while I do see valid grounds for a Magikarp lynch, you are not displaying them by these posts. This is why I am seeing possible scum motivation behind your recent posts, but not so much Egg's, for example, who has made a valid case rather than wanting him lynched for your reasons.

actually this is a very good post, having re-looked over emo's posts I could see why some people think she is scummy. My only problem is would scum really just come out and admit they were policy lynching someone considering the negative stigma towards policy lynches? idk

In post 314, Thesp wrote:I'm still not feeling Philkcho_Magikarp scum vibes at all. I'm inclined to think he communicates poorly and that's leading to votes. I'm also leery of most people on that wagon. I would switch to emogirl123 if it was necessary for a lynch (I don't feel like I've learned much about her alignment but I don't like her approach so far), but I'm still preferring Beck by a mile.

have you ever played with PM before? What makes you think he communicates poorly? Say you get your way and lynch me, who do you go after when I flip town? Who do you think is the scum on the PM wagon (and yes I know you already think I am scum on the wagon...)

In post 313, emogirl123 wrote:This discussion is going nowhere and it's cluttering up the thread. I'm done.

qft

In post 338, Luca Blight wrote:I'm beginning to think Magikarp is scum more and more, given he has thrown in the towel and not come back to defend himself. If he is scum there is probably a busser or two on his wagon.

I agree with this, I could see scum acting like this especially if both of his buddies were bussing him. I can't really see town giving up so easily

Beck · Post Post #346 (isolation #66) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:03 am

In post 341, massive wrote:I had a bit of site search for this mysterious "Ellitell"

what is this ellitell you are talking about?

Beck · Post Post #347 (isolation #67) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:04 am

oh nvm, I found it.

Beck · Post Post #376 (isolation #68) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:34 am

It would be helpful if the mod made a post in the replacement thread...

Beck · Post Post #377 (isolation #69) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:36 am

I meant, make a new post

Beck · Post Post #382 (isolation #70) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:22 am

Hot welcome

Beck · Post Post #398 (isolation #71) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:57 am

In post 295, Beck wrote:
In post 294, Phijkchu_Magikarp wrote:And also why is everyone going after me for my view point on rqs?

1. I don't think that is why people are voting you
2. That is basically the reason why you are voting me though
3. Why didn't you answer my earlier question
4. If yiu try to say #2 isnt true, then Why didn't you attempt to ask me questions to better understand my reasonings for pressuring thesp

And get to this also

Beck · Post Post #406 (isolation #72) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:47 am

In post 403, Phijkchu_Magikarp wrote:Beck:
attempting to make town look like scum ex: me
and
Emo :supporting/defending beck probable scum partner

1.

at the bolded.
2. you realize this very thing could be described as what you and thesp are doing right?

In post 403, Phijkchu_Magikarp wrote:1. Then tell me why do you think their going after me
2. You were trying to make thesp look bad for rap
3. Re quote it plz so I can answer it
4. You weren't pressuring thesp more then trying to go after his RQS

1. I am not sure why everyone else is voting with you but I honestly don't remember seeing somebody say that your viewpoint on rqs was the reason. It may have more to do with the fact that you aren't scum hunting, your attack on me was horrible, you automatically took thesp's side in the debate (thus proving one of my reasons correct, you know one of those reasons that you said "didn't make sense" Or it could be the fact that you just issued a blanket statement that said all of my posts were scummy without bothering to point out WHY you thought they were scummy. Just like you didn't bother to try and make sense of my reasons.

2. pressuring somebody =/= "making them look bad"

3. ugh, I really really despise laziness.

In post 215, Beck wrote:Explain how you say my reasons don't make sense, yet you use one of my reasons to defend thesp.

4. to me that is the same thing. I wanted to see how he reacted to being called out for it, considering it is something he does every game I can later go back and look at his games and see how he reacts normally PLUS I think RQS is the worst thing in a game.

Beck · Post Post #428 (isolation #73) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:58 am

Dashie is a very active player, she defends her town reads and usually has a good grasp of the game. I'm usually suspicious of her because of it. Llama I'm not sure I've played more than 1 game with and that game was very inactive, much like this game. Their play is like Jekyll and Hyde, I don't think they play the same way which is how a true alt should be played.

Beck · Post Post #432 (isolation #74) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:44 am

I haven't read it yet, I'm out at a soccer tourney today so I'll read it later

Beck · Post Post #434 (isolation #75) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:39 am

That I can respond to now, I find him really scummy because he's provided no real tangible reason for scum reading me and he's basically done nothing else. You can tell he's not even serious about me being scum the way he hopped off and voted luca earlier.

I can't tell if he's butt hurt townie or lazy scum trying to skate by. I also don't think pm and thesp are scum together and I'm more sure of my pm read.

Beck · Post Post #441 (isolation #76) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:05 pm

In post 431, TheDudeAbides wrote:What do you think about his points on Flubber?

I don't think that is a good enough reason to derail a wagon, especially when he isn't the only one not really doing anything. PM and thesp could easily be lumped into that pile, except at least thesp is smart enough to give some reads.

Beck · Post Post #482 (isolation #77) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:44 am

In post 454, Thesp wrote:Spoiler: Weird Things Beck Says

Just because you keep saying things about me doesn't make them true. =PIn post 434, Beck, about me wrote:I find him really scummy because he's provided no real tangible reason for scum reading me and he's basically done nothing else.In post 441, Beck, referring to people not doing anything wrote:PM and thesp could easily be lumped into that pileJust because you keep saying things about me doesn't make them true. =P

How are facts weird?

Beck · Post Post #520 (isolation #78) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:37 pm

In post 518, Phijkchu_Magikarp wrote:Thesp: i feel like this one is really obvious i agree with thesp insanly town

I'm curious what has he done that makes him "insanely town"

Beck · Post Post #521 (isolation #79) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:38 pm

Not sure why I even asked that, you have repeatedly dodged my other question even after I quoted it for you as you requested...

Beck · Post Post #535 (isolation #80) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:00 am

I'd be OK with a thesp lynch but no support. He doesnt really care who gets lynched and he certainly isn't being honest with his town read on PM.

Massive did make a good point that most of the things pm is doing could be done by town, but I have trouble determining town and scum doing it. I wonder if I'm just stuck in tunnel mode again and pm isn't actually scum. Gotta try and reread at lunch

Beck · Post Post #549 (isolation #81) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:52 pm

Spending the next 2 days at the hospital with my wife, will read up when I get free time.

Beck · Post Post #569 (isolation #82) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:52 am

I'm really upset that pm was town, my only scum read is thesp but its based off really weak reasoning. I tried to reread but its kinda hard especially when my mind is somewhere else.

If people voting could restate their cases, this may help me focus some. Thanks

Beck · Post Post #621 (isolation #83) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:36 am

I'll catch up tomorrow, promise

Beck · Post Post #632 (isolation #84) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:42 pm

@ Josh - Can you please explain why you voted for PM day 1, your vote is the only one I don't see a line of thought that I understand.

also why did you single out the due in this post?

In post 506, Josh_B wrote:TheDude, are you going to put your vote on PM or are you waiting for something?

also who are your current scum reads.

thanks

Beck · Post Post #635 (isolation #85) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:15 pm

I'm trying to figure things out. I would gladly join the thesp wagon but I just have this thing in the back of my head that says he's not scum. My head is betraying my gut lol

Beck · Post Post #637 (isolation #86) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:19 am

In post 636, Josh_B wrote:Do you have another interest?

You and emo girl are the ones I want to take a closer look at

Beck · Post Post #675 (isolation #87) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:44 am

In post 657, Egg wrote:Beck, can you elaborate on your Thesp read? I thought for sure you were scum reading him hard. Now a wagon pops up and you show hesitance to join it. Why?

2 votes is a wagon?

I don't think I was ever scum reading him hard, day 1 I had in my mind that it was 1 or the other with me scum reading PM hard. I was wrong about PM and I didn't want to fall into a trap of being blinded day 2 and just pushing thesp. I want to re-read the day 1 votes (which I have done) and see which votes stand out. All I have to go on with Thesp is him being butthurt (he disagrees with this) and meta from 1 game and can you honestly tell me that is a good reason to lynch someone? It doesn't seem like a good reason to me.

Right now I have a list of people I want to look at closely, hopefully I can get that sorted out today.

Beck · Post Post #679 (isolation #88) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:25 am

In post 678, Flubbernugget wrote:Your gut needs to be put into words here.

already have but thanks for playing

Beck · Post Post #683 (isolation #89) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:03 am

Oh my bad, there is 3

Beck · Post Post #685 (isolation #90) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:09 pm

In post 675, Beck wrote:
In post 657, Egg wrote:Beck, can you elaborate on your Thesp read? I thought for sure you were scum reading him hard. Now a wagon pops up and you show hesitance to join it. Why?

2 votes is a wagon?

I don't think I was ever scum reading him hard, day 1 I had in my mind that it was 1 or the other with me scum reading PM hard. I was wrong about PM and I didn't want to fall into a trap of being blinded day 2 and just pushing thesp. I want to re-read the day 1 votes (which I have done) and see which votes stand out.
All I have to go on with Thesp is him being butthurt (he disagrees with this) and meta from 1 game and can you honestly tell me that is a good reason to lynch someone? It doesn't seem like a good reason to me.

Right now I have a list of people I want to look at closely, hopefully I can get that sorted out today.

Beck · Post Post #686 (isolation #91) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:25 pm

Its like you aren't even reading my posts flubber

Beck · Post Post #689 (isolation #92) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:08 am

ok looking over Josh's posts, his early post around RVS had me feeling like he was town, he was sort of trying to get the game out of RVS but in a light hearted manner,

Post 93 when he unvotes just comes off fake to me though. He acted like a lynch was about to happen or something.
Post 95 is just filler
post 96 comes off as fake scum hunting, especially considering his post 97. It seems like he is trying to deflect attention from clusk or something.
Post 159 - I disagree with, it definitelty looked like josh was pressuring dude and I know a lot of people who consider being pressured the same as being attacked. Josh was pressuring him and now acting like he hadn't done anything wrong
post 290 - this is where josh explains why he is voting pm but it doesn't really make much sense to me. I don't know how josh could tell the difference between pm mimicking the town consensus vs it being his own viewpoint.
Post 336 REALLY bothers me as I see no reason why you would ask people who their town reads are. This information only benefits scum, not town.

Day 2 - I feel like his vote on Thesp is scum is a vote on an easy target and tbh I don't even know why he is voting thesp

Post 595 is a complete misrep, I don't see where thesp says he knows emo is town, he just says he wants to lynch her to prevent a PR claiming which imo is always a good idea. If you run up a scummy person and they claim VT, you lynch them. This is a long time policy of mine. Always lynch a claimed VT.

I don't see anything pro-town in any of his other posts either but don't have time to write them down cause I got to go. In a little I will go through emo's posts as she was the other person I was interested in today from the PM wagon. I am not really sure who off the wagon is scummy, I will figure that out later.

Beck · Post Post #690 (isolation #93) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:46 am

In post 286, emogirl123 wrote:My reasoning for voting for PM is the same as everyone else voting for him. I think the issue here is that I'm straight up calling it a policy lynch (and wrongfully using the term) without regurgitating what others are saying.

Josh - you accused of PM of mimicing others and not his own viewpoint, Since that is obviously scummy to you what are your thoughts of this post?

Beck · Post Post #693 (isolation #94) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:54 am

My problem with emo is she basically goes with the crowd day 1,

This quote also bothers me because i don't see nothing wrong with a player calling themselves lynch bait if they are being run up

In post 461, emogirl123 wrote:I can't get over this. He referred to himself as lynchbait!!

I don't really see any scum hunting from her either.

I would be ok with lynching either of these 2 right now but I want to look over some other people's posts. Llama, Lissa, and Luca are next when I get some time

Beck · Post Post #696 (isolation #95) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:15 am

^ that is actually a good point about thesp. Also the fact that he was willing to lynch him despite calling him town doesn't sit well with me

Beck · Post Post #699 (isolation #96) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:24 am

In post 690, Beck wrote:
In post 286, emogirl123 wrote:My reasoning for voting for PM is the same as everyone else voting for him. I think the issue here is that I'm straight up calling it a policy lynch (and wrongfully using the term) without regurgitating what others are saying.

Josh - you accused of PM of mimicing others and not his own viewpoint, Since that is obviously scummy to you what are your thoughts of this post?

when you get a moment josh

Beck · Post Post #706 (isolation #97) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:19 pm

Maybe for most people but not for me, see I will go on a full blown tunnel rant and won't listen to anything he has to say. I'd rather try giving him space and spend time finding someone I think is scummy for legitimate reasons.

Plus are you really advocating someonody vote for a person who they don't really think is scum and has no case for them?

Beck · Post Post #708 (isolation #98) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:33 pm

In post 619, Flubbernugget wrote:Why is thesp beck's only scumread?

I don't like it.

Why are you asking thesp this question?

I mean for all this talk about me not putting words down, your kinda lacking yourself.

Why the makes vote on emo? Why did you back off? What did she so to make you change your vote?

Beck · Post Post #709 (isolation #99) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:34 pm

That should have been why aren't you asking thesp this

Beck · Post Post #712 (isolation #100) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:51 pm

I have some reads, thanks for proving again you aren't reading. Josh is currently my top scum read. I'm planning on iso'ing the 3 L's tomorrow to come up with some.more.

I get you are frustrated with me but you are going to have to relax a little. It's either I.take my time reading or I replace out and I don't want to replace out.

Beck · Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:57 am

In post 710, Flubbernugget wrote:Because Josh asked for my case on you?

Why haven't you responded to him? I haven't seen any "case" from you.

Beck · Post Post #718 (isolation #102) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:33 am

In post 716, Thesp wrote:I was willing to lynch PM over No Lynch, but not much else. Why doesn't that sit well with you?

the fact that you were conceding a deadline lynch with plenty of time in the day. You just didn't seem sincere in your town read

Beck · Post Post #721 (isolation #103) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:27 am

Ill check better when i get to work but you mention moving your vote on the 7th, deadline was the 12th. Thats plenty of time IMO to convince people to.change their vote, which you didn't even attempt to do

Beck · Post Post #724 (isolation #104) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:46 am

In post 722, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 715, Beck wrote:
In post 710, Flubbernugget wrote:Because Josh asked for my case on you?

Why haven't you responded to him? I haven't seen any "case" from you.

My case was that you barely have reads and are fencesitting which I thought was inferred in the question I asked.

Pretty weak case and isn't even true. Not being caught up isn't fence sitting and explains my lack of reads.

Beck · Post Post #725 (isolation #105) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:48 am

In post 713, Josh_B wrote:LLama isn't scum.

Why?

Beck · Post Post #734 (isolation #106) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:55 am

In post 703, Lissa wrote:"Infatuation"?

I found Emo scummy at one point. She made some posts that made me hesitant about that, so I was like "alright, I think she's okay for now." Since then I have found her actions townish. I do not think her stance on the whole policy lynch/great lynch debacle is scummy, and I find her stubbornness about said stance townish.

can you point me to the posts that she made that caused you to change your read on her?

Beck · Post Post #735 (isolation #107) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:58 am

ok so looking over the 3 Ls, I don't really see anything scummy from luca and llama, lissa I am on the fence about (oh shit flubber is going to totally grill me for that)

so for right now while i sort out my other reads

vote: josh

Beck · Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:48 am

In post 741, TheDudeAbides wrote:Are you retarded?

Hey let's not use that word ok

Beck · Post Post #808 (isolation #109) » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:54 am

Sorry was at a conference yesterday then took my son to a wizards game for his birthday, will catch up after running errands today

Beck · Post Post #825 (isolation #110) » Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:36 pm

I'm glad to see josh at l-1, I think that probably was a slip. Welcome new guy.

Beck · Post Post #829 (isolation #111) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:11 am

unvote

not that I think anyone would hammer right now but just to be safe. I agree with boo though, if you are the doc there is no way you would know if mafia was actually blocked or not.

Beck · Post Post #873 (isolation #112) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:43 pm

In post 866, Josh_B wrote:Oh this is fun. now we can argue about whether or not there's a cop. Let's fish that role out too.

Exaxtly, let's not fish that role out too

Beck · Post Post #877 (isolation #113) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:41 am

V/la starting tomorrow til Sunday for Thanksgiving trip

Beck · Post Post #881 (isolation #114) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:17 am

In post 876, JohnnyFarrar wrote:@Beck why did you say "He didn't even answer his own questions.." and not "Hey Thesp, how bout you answer your own questions?" One looks like you're trying to convince people to vote him, the other looks like you're trying to figure him out.

because I didn't care one way or the other if he answered them. his answers weren't going to help me determine his alignment, just like anyones answers aren't going to help anyone determine alignment. though he felt these questions were important enough to have everyone answer them, it was just odd that he would not answer them himself.

Beck · Post Post #883 (isolation #115) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:25 am

In post 876, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Beck's "Nice Omgus" is also either dumb or *humor*

pretty sure the wink gave it away as humor...

In post 876, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Beck just looks like he wants Thesp dead, which is kind of gross on page 3

If you got that impression you certainly aren't reading this game.

In post 876, JohnnyFarrar wrote:The continued insistence from Beck that RQs from Thesp are scummy is annoying me. Feels like that old "Park your vote where you know it won't matter" scum strat.

Don't I have to actually be voting Thesp for that to work? interestingly enough I have never actually voted Thesp this game. So it's quite obvious that i don't think he is scum for the questions. I was merely making my opinion of them known, pressuring him because he doesn't deserve a free pass just because he asked them (like some people felt he deserved), and I was trying to get the game out of RVS as soon as possible which i did.

Sounds like a win/win to me

Beck · Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:07 am

In post 975, LlamaFluff wrote:
In post 974, Bookitty wrote:Do you have reason to think you would have been the nightkill last night if Josh B had not protected you, Llama? If so, please explain.

No. I think the most likely thing that happened is Josh is town and scum just killed massive for whatever reason. He just reacted oddly because he would know that kills could be stopped so went with that conclusion. A few people seemed to mention a vig if I recall correctly, so its no stretch of the imagination that a doctor would think they stopped a kill.

Sometimes simplest solution is the correct one. How would you have reacted to the only kill being massive as a doctor? I probably would have taken an approach like Josh did.

But a kill happened,PLUS didn't josh say that massive was a person he wanted to Lynch? I think he did. Why would he assume SK and not vig at that point? Why would he think he stopped a kill anyway if a kill happened? Something doesn't add up.

Beck · Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:35 am

I'm really leaning on voting thesp but I want to reread the entire game. Im less likely to get to it this weekend but I'll try really hard to. I don't think we want the other mason to claim, not yet anyway so whoever you are, shhh.

Beck · Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:21 pm

why thedude and not thesp? From what I recall you have been scum reading thesp.

Why Thedude besides being on both wagon?

Vote: thesp

Something about his play just doesn't sit right with me, I wish I could explain it better. I will have to iso the dude to see if I can see his play from a scum pov

Beck · Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:25 pm

I just said I can't. it's gut, his play is rubbing me the wrong way and it doesn't seem like a townie to me

Beck · Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:17 pm

Hope all is well flubber

Beck · Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:30 am

ok I am here trying to catchup and re-read but to be honest I have no clue. I started looking at who was on and off the day 1 lynch

7) Phijkchu_Magikarp

—

Beck

, emogirl123,

Josh_B

, Egg, Lissa,

Bookitty

, TheDudeAbides (L-0)

Emo - Day 1 I had a slight town read on her, day 2 with a PM flip I was less sure and Johnny hasn't done anything that makes me think they are town.

Egg - on the surface he looks kinda town but these posts that list post numbers suck and I could see scum making those as well

Lissa - I don't like how she abandoned her emo push day 1 and essentially did a 180 on her, also she put PM at L-1 and all I can really find is that she liked other people's cases about PM, classic sheeping imo

The Dude - None of his day 1 reasons for voting were any good, and his vote on PM looks bad. he basically just rewords the points i was trying to make

The 2 on the wagon I think that are probably scum are probably lissa/theDude

Day 2 Wagon -

(6) Josh_B

— Egg, Lissa,

Bookitty

, Thesp, TheDudeAbides, Luca Blight (L-0)

Luca - not sure why but I have a gut town read on, I don't understand why people think luca is scum

Egg - He doesn't really provide much reasoning for his josh vote but he was dealing with a new baby. still feel he is town also

lissa - I don't really like how she gives intent to hammer, in the post right before she said she was going to catch up but never actually does (at least if she did she didn't communicate it nor did she provide any info). Looks very opportunistic and I didn't like how she responded to josh's push back on her.

Thesp - his play doesn't seem the same as some of his other games, he seems more laid back but I think I know why. I am removing my scum read on thesp for right now for reasons I am not really wanting to say atm. sorry

TheDude - i totally get why people are voting him now, he had almost no reason to vote and then he seems like he doesn't really want to vote the doc but does so anyway. I don't see a townie doing that. I don't really see him pushing anyone else as an alternative either.

Luca - he only was on the wagon cause of deadline, he never voted josh during the day and even wanted to leave him alive at least another day. This just screams town to me (sure could be scum trying for town points but don't really see him as scummy anyway)

now for the people off the wagon

Llama - doesn't seem to be playing like rainbowdash, which is understandable. At times I was thinking possibly town and others maybe scum but now I am putting in the town pile, again for reasons I don't really feel like going into right now.

Flubber - surprisingly I have a slight gut town read on him, though I probably shouldn't. I feel like when he is active he is trying to figure things out ala his push on me day 2 but his activity and lack of posts keep it from being a full on town read.

Johnny - still have a bad vibe from him so it's possible he could be scum or maybe even the sk.

Since TheDude already has a few votes

Vote: lissa

I just don't like her sheeping and opportunistic behavior this game.

Beck · Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:38 am

In post 1129, Lissa wrote:Not catching up really - rereading

Haven't had too much of a chance, trying to work on it, sorry about that, should be done soon

when you do catchup i'd like your top 2 scum reads and why.

I'd also like to see you explain your actions about lying day 2 about catching up and instead just declare intent to hammer on the largest wagon at the time.

Beck · Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:43 am

In post 1122, Thesp wrote:Beck, who are your scum reads? Why? I'd really like to hear a lot more from you lately.

now your turn please

Beck · Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:38 am

I'll have to look over your points on Luca later cause I'm not seeing scum from that slot.

Thoughts on Lissa?

Beck · Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:44 am

and now the drawbacks of being on a company wifi. Apparently the ip address I use is blocked cause I am not even sure why. So my posting during the day will be limited to when I can get on my work computer or when I deactivate wifi on my phone (not likely to happen cause I have limited data) and in the evening when I am at home.

I will try and check in later and hopefully I can resolve this pesky ip blocking issue.

Beck · Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:05 pm

In post 1142, LlamaFluff wrote:
In post 1131, Beck wrote:Since TheDude already has a few votes

Vote: lissa

I just don't like her sheeping and opportunistic behavior this game.

So is Lissa or TDA more likely to be scum?

I think they both have a good chance of being scum.

Beck · Wed Dec 03, 2014 3:39 am

In post 1143, Lissa wrote:I dont' know if a bus makes sense right now. I feel like it does.

why do you think a bus makes sense right now?

Beck · Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:40 am

In post 1148, Lissa wrote:
In post 1147, Beck wrote:
In post 1143, Lissa wrote:I dont' know if a bus makes sense right now. I feel like it does.

why do you think a bus makes sense right now?

Llama could have realized TDA looked scummy (while he was the first one to vote him, he wasn't the first one to think so, and Egg commented on looking at him), felt others would vote him, and decided to vote him first.

i'd buy that maybe if llama wasn't the first to vote him

Beck · Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:48 am

they are both about equal tbh, just didn't want the day to go by with only 1 person getting pressured

Beck · Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:58 am

mod has TheDude been prodded yet? if not can you prod him please.

Beck · Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:43 am

Having an endoscopy tomorrow and the weekend is kinda busy for me so

v/la til Monday

Beck · Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:18 pm

Not sure why people have a problem with that, everyone seems to be focusing on 1 person. How's that going to help us figure out other scum reads?

Beck · Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:17 am

In post 1191, Luca Blight wrote:I'm not sure what to make of Beck; a lot of people seem to be assuming he is Town, but he hasn't done a great deal after a lively opening.

I will catch up in a bit.

Sadly I've had bad luck, and its not getting any better. Weekend ruined as I'm sitting at the hospital with my sick wife.

The only thing keeping me from replacing out is we are currently waiting on another and its not fair to anyone IMO. I'll try to gt back into this tomorrow assuming my wife gets released today

Beck · Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:26 am

In post 1181, JohnnyFarrar wrote:PoE townreads are a thing?

Yes they are actually. If you have a good idea who scum is, that pretty much rules out everyone else as town.

Now with flubber, his reasons for scum reading people are really week and he's also guilty of minimum effort, which is funny considering he was giving me a hard time for it. Kinda hypocritical if you ask me.

Beck · Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:30 am

In post 1190, Flubbernugget wrote:I know pre flip associatives are bad but beck and johnny/emo feel really distant throughout the game and it's really bothering me.

You have been kinda distant also...

Beck · Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:35 am

In post 1180, Flubbernugget wrote:I need to look at lissa tho because I don't see the case on her.

Did you ever do this? If you need help I explained my reasonings so you could start by commenting on those instead of half assing things like you are

Beck · Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:38 am

That's all I have time for now, I'll.try to post more later if I have time

Beck · Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:35 am

In post 1218, TheDudeAbides wrote:In post 146, TheDudeAbides wrote:
Vote: PM
I like the point about PM's vagueness: "red flags all around" and "also thesp is a vetran so a good amount of beck agurments don't make sense." It looks like he's using vague claims to bolster his case on Beck.

This was me agreeing with a point by llama.

no these were basically the points i had been making all of day 1 about pm

The whole "don't make sense" part was called out by me as seen in posts 108/109 (post 109, the 2nd one is actually the fact that he has given thesp a free ride because he asked the questions)

I bring attention to the "make sense" thing again in post 215 which pm still ignores

posts 236 & 406 - also bring up the "make sense" thing

The "veteran" thing is basically continuing off what I said in post 78

In post 78, Beck wrote:I may be wrong here but I am willing to bet that more people are going to automatically write you off as town for asking such questions, especially newer players because it comes off like you are trying to be helpful.

In post 1219, TheDudeAbides wrote:Today he's lying to justify a vote on me.

but...

1. I just proved I wasn't lying
2. I am not voting you...

oops

Beck · Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:36 am

The dude is back at L-1 btw

Beck · Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:46 am

@Lissa - looking over your "catchup post" I see you using a bunch of poe and vca as to how you arrived at TDA being scum, but i don't really see any reasoning behind it. Why do you think TDA is scum?

@The dude - I find it kind of odd that you question lissa to explain why she thinks people are town, but don't question her to explain why she put you at L-1 with almost no reasoning...

Beck · Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:48 am

In post 1216, TheDudeAbides wrote:
In post 1131, Beck wrote:Llama - doesn't seem to be playing like rainbowdash, which is understandable. At times I was thinking possibly town and others maybe scum but now I am putting in the town pile, again for reasons I don't really feel like going into right now.

I think you should go into them now.

not today, maybe later but definitely not today

Beck · Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:12 am

In post 1226, TheDudeAbides wrote:
In post 1222, Beck wrote:no these were basically the points i had been making all of day 1 about pm

That was exactly one of the things that I had to say about PM.

I agreed with it.

The fact that you now think that was a bad reason to vote for him is why you are scum.

I didn't say the reasons were bad...

This is what i said actually

"one of his day 1 reasons for voting were any good, and his vote on PM looks bad. he basically just rewords the points i was trying to make"

All of the reasons for your other votes were bad. Your vote on PM looks bad because they basically were ideas pushed by others with no original thought of your own. That makes you look scummy because scum typically use other people's ideas as their own or they just completely make up shit. Basically what you did day 1.

In post 1227, TheDudeAbides wrote:
In post 1224, Beck wrote:@The dude - I find it kind of odd that you question lissa to explain why she thinks people are town, but don't question her to explain why she put you at L-1 with almost no reasoning...

I think she is probably scum and don't really care what she thinks.

Then why did you ask her to explain what she thinks?

In post 1229, TheDudeAbides wrote:and Beck if you think that I am scum for agreeing with that point by Llama, which is a point that you also made, it makes little sense that you are town reading llama.

of course it makes little sense, I wasn't always town reading llama though, that read happened more recently.

Beck · Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:13 am

That quote of mine got cut off, it should say "none of his day 1 reasonings"

Beck · Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:22 am

In post 1232, TheDudeAbides wrote:
In post 1230, Beck wrote:Your vote on PM looks bad because they basically were ideas pushed by others with no original thought of your own.

Except that this is just false.

except I just proved it and you just admitted it yourself so how is it false exactly?

Beck · Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:56 am

but 152 and 188 came AFTER you voted pm so those don't count as "reasons you voted PM"

asking a question isn't a reason anyway and calling something cog.dif is almost never accurate nor is it reliable enough to use as a scumtell

Beck · Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:40 am

In post 1239, TheDudeAbides wrote:I won't be moving my vote.

didn't ask you to, but as long as you acknowledge that it's for crap reasons that were just proven untrue and even you admitted yourself that you are guilty of what I accused you of, I am ok with your vote.

Beck · Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:29 am

In post 1267, TheDudeAbides wrote:
In post 1245, TheDudeAbides wrote:Well, since everyone has now expressed a willingness to lynch me, you should probably figure out that I'm town and move along.

This is a serious point.

I still think that we should consider mass-claiming.

I'm not a fan of mass claiming, especially this game

Beck · Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:59 am

no idea, at first I thought emo made a scum slip but then i just shrugged it off as I don't think scum would say that.

Beck · Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:40 am

In post 1279, TheDudeAbides wrote:In addition to being neighbours with Llama, I'm a JOAT. N1, I investigated Flubber, he's innocent, and last night, I shot Bookitty.

Uh yeah no I don't believe this

Beck · Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:59 am

Yeah, keeping info from scum is a scum response.. Gtfoh

Beck · Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:14 am

If you were a town PR, you would have claimed that part earlier. Also you wouldn't be advocating a mass claim.

Keep on

Beck · Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:20 am

Probably town, I don't think he would try to clear his scum buddy. Its easier to try and clear a townie

Beck · Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:37 am

In post 1289, TheDudeAbides wrote:Why in God's name, would I as scum, have shot Bookitty?

Bookitty wasn't scum read by anyone iirc, why wouldn't you kill her as scum? Killing her as town doesn't make any sense

Beck · Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:39 am

In post 1288, TheDudeAbides wrote:I'm town. Mass claim would have cleared whoever stopped last nights kill, there's me and Flubber the mason. That's a lot of cleared players. Enough to justify a mass claim.

How do you know flubber is the mason? I missed that

Beck · Wed Dec 10, 2014 2:40 am

In post 1292, Luca Blight wrote:
In post 1291, Beck wrote:
In post 1289, TheDudeAbides wrote:Why in God's name, would I as scum, have shot Bookitty?

Bookitty wasn't scum read by anyone iirc, why wouldn't you kill her as scum? Killing her as town doesn't make any sense

Bootkitty was massively scumread by Llama at the time, tbf.

OK, but I don't recall anyone else

Beck · Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:03 am

Changing claims are always scummy, has been that way for as long as I have played mafia. Why would you think that wouldn't be looked at as scumny?

P.edit - oh ok

Beck · Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:09 am

No, llama is town

Beck · Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:11 am

Pretty strong

Beck · Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:14 am

No it wouldn't

Beck · Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:35 am

Beck · Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:42 am

I don't really think that is taking things out of context

It does seem like you investigated boo, it also makes me question why you shot boo if you were town reading her

Beck · Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:44 am

I'm trying to figure out what happened, why would scum no kill?

I'm OK with a nl I guess

Beck · Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:06 am

NL does slightly increase our probably of lynching scum assuming they kill tonight.

Beck · Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:43 pm

vote: no lynch

Beck · Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:39 am

So I got 2 days and then I'm v/la for the holidays, assuming it doesn't get canceled since my wife is back in the hospital. Not trying to make excuses but my RL has been utter shit this past 5 weeks. I want to reread sometime today to find other reads but lisss is who I want to lynch today. Thesp is also on my radar still. Ive got too many null reads and that's my own fault.

Beck · Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:38 am

Personally not a fan of massclaims but if I'm in the minority I'll go along with it

Beck · Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:58 am

I have never been a fan of massclaims, given the fact scum can fake claim you can never be sure who's legit and who's lying.

Beck · Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:04 am

In post 1406, Thesp wrote:
In post 1404, Beck wrote:I have never been a fan of massclaims, given the fact scum can fake claim you can never be sure who's legit and who's lying.

Yes, scum can fake a claim. That doesn't mean that forcing them to claim is meaningless or useless, or that they won't stumble. I don't understand a lot of how you play this game, apparently.

Where I used to play, a person would be auto-lynched for even suggesting mass claim so it's kind of all I know. I can't recall if I have ever played in a game where mass claim helped town win, maybe I have I just can't remember. And yes I know about scum slip ups, I just saw Pine scum slip in a game that just recently finished.

It will take time for me to be ok with mass claim but i'm not stopping it so let's roll

Beck · Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:33 am

Even night cop

N2: llama not guilty
N4: no result so probably got RBd

And no I never actually crumbed my role, but I heavily inferred one day 1 and crumbed my llama result. Its also why I knew there could be no joat.

johnny boy, go next

Beck · Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:35 am

I'll check back later cause I'm sure people will have questions but I'm taking my wife to the ER right now

Beck · Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:54 am

Tried to investigate johnny

Thanks, this month has been horrible for her

Beck · Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:19 pm

So apparently there is regular pneumonia and something called aspiration pneumonia. Learn something new everyday.

I see I didn't miss anything...

Beck · Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:15 am

Sorry not going to do much today or tomorrow, finding out my wife has to spend Christmas in the hospital kinda puts a damper on things. I'll be back on the 26th.

Merry Christmas & Happy Hanukkah

Beck · Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:20 am

vote: Lissa

Yeah I can go with lissa

Beck · Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:21 am

What? No pedit? Fuck

Beck · Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:23 am

God I hope not

Beck · Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:17 pm

GG everyone, the NK was us recruiting llama, not that we really needed to do that.

Thesp is going to be mad he had us pegged day 1.

On good news, wife should be discharged tomorrow so she will be home for part of Christmas. This month really has been hell for me.

Merry Christmas everyone

Beck · Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:18 pm

Had we not copped llama n2, this game could have ended different for sure.

Scum failed to submit a kill n1 and shot the BP n2. Lol we failed at that part

Beck · Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:23 pm

I honestly can't believe I was town read, I played like shit but thanks for the compliment. I'll try to play this way as town next time, its definitely more fun than trying to argue with people to listen to me. Lol

Beck · Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:25 pm

I want to read the dead thread

Beck · Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:43 pm

In post 1469, Lissa wrote:And I think the traitor + mafia cop is a pretty neat idea.

Me 2

Beck · Thu Dec 25, 2014 12:46 am

In post 1472, LlamaFluff wrote:Best neighbor topic ever.

This lol

Also at flubz, I don't get your gif.

Beck · Sun Dec 28, 2014 6:24 am

Had we never found llama, would you still think town was under powered?