Mini 1648: Mafia in the Noose Factory. (Game Over)

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote: Always Mafia

I mean, he is always mafia.

[MonkeyMan576]

Hammering this early is really a bad idea.

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote: Boonskies

[MonkeyMan576]

Level 1...I like hammering...etc.

[MonkeyMan576]

He clearly doesn't have a problem with it, which is a problem.

[MonkeyMan576]

You guys realize I was the first one on Zebulin, right? And I can't

actually

hammer...come on now. Haha.

That's not the issue, the issue is that you are promoting the hammer.

[MonkeyMan576]

@Boon: You are agreeing that you're insane and we should lynch you for saying scummy things?

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote: BBT

Were you PR fishing or weren't you PR fishing?

[MonkeyMan576]

Eh, forgot you had claimed lovers. Lovers are usually both town right?

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah. They're pro town roles. They die together. I'm not

actually

claiming lovers. *wink*wink*

Unvote

For now.

[MonkeyMan576]

Unvote

that is.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not sure it would be wise to lynch a psudo-claimed lover this early in the game.

[MonkeyMan576]

I try not to post fluff, and there is a lot of fluff in day 1.

[MonkeyMan576]

A for Effort from tip. I like the chart for us socially challenged players.

[MonkeyMan576]

If people are going to make bad accusations or bad votes I have every right and obligation to point them out.

[MonkeyMan576]

Slanndar is being really nitpicky and using the "throwing crap and see what sticks" scum hunting method, which is not really hunting.

[MonkeyMan576]

Because it's a trademarked method of fake scumhunting.

[MonkeyMan576]

I missed a couple but basically the point is:
Monkey made his RVS vote then didn't do anything until action had happened. This is like scum play by the book. Make the vote then let everyone accuse each other and bam.

I don't feel like going over the rest of Monkeys posts. Needless to say they are not good.

Basically he is saying I am being lazy for not crap-posting day 1 like a lot of people do, then he admits he is lazier than me.

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote: Always Mafia

I mean, he is always mafia.

This post is more likely from scum because.
1. It reads slightly awkward the grammar is not correct.
2. He then does not post anything productive to help move the game along until events have occured:

Hammering this early is really a bad idea.

Lets them assess what others did:
BBT voted and then came back.
Pisskop voted and then came back.
Boon voted and then... came back.
Ploben voted and came back a bit later.
Zeb voted and came back.
Always Mafia voted in a sort of serious way which is actually not as bad as Monkey.
Luca same as above.
Random Midget... voted and came back briefly!...
Tip does stuff <-- Note this. He also correctly identifies Monkey as the best vote by far.
Pony came in late and posted some nonsense which I may break down at some point.

I missed a couple but basically the point is:
Monkey made his RVS vote then didn't do anything until action had happened. This is like scum play by the book. Make the vote then let everyone accuse each other and bam.

I don't feel like going over the rest of Monkeys posts. Needless to say they are not good.

Engage sheep mode townies.

[MonkeyMan576]

I would argue I have not been making many accusations I have made few and stuck with them. The opposite to what you are saying.

That doesn't make them quality arguments.

Basically he is saying I am being lazy for not crap-posting day 1 like a lot of people do, then he admits he is lazier than me.

Crap posting as you call it is required otherwise everyone makes a random vote and nothing happens.

How does the game progress from a town perspective when everyone does as you did?

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It's also an easy way for scum to get town lynched, by posting fluff and no one expects anyone to call them out. Pointing out the quality posts from the fluff, however few they may be, is the best way to go day 1.

[MonkeyMan576]

It's not smart to make a mountain out of a molehill for arguments you don't think are worthy of it.

[MonkeyMan576]

383 - Townie post right here. Even if some (majority) of it is wrong.[/quote]

That seems a little counter intuitive. If it is wrong why is it town?

[MonkeyMan576]

Couldn't it also be scum trying to divert votes?

[MonkeyMan576]

The post you linked was by Zeb, not Pony. Do you think they are both town?

[MonkeyMan576]

Sorry when I clicked on the link it went to the wrong post.

[MonkeyMan576]

What's the case on ploben?

[MonkeyMan576]

I did, the only thing I could find was that you think he's dodging questions.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm thinking there might be a better wagon to support.

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote: Randommidget

His posting has been very lackluster.

[MonkeyMan576]

Sorry you dissaprove. I'm hoping to make it less stale.

[MonkeyMan576]

I did, I said randommidget needs to post more content.

[MonkeyMan576]

House isn't as bad as random, Luca had some personal issue, I think.

[MonkeyMan576]

& Kaboose and maybe Boon as well?

Why Random over those 4?

Cause I didn't have the time to ISO every player.

[MonkeyMan576]

You're the one who's voting on someone for supposedly not answering questions.

[MonkeyMan576]

Then enlighten me.

[MonkeyMan576]

If I agree with the reasoning, yes.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not going to vote for reasoning I don't agree with, you're acting pretty rediculous.

[MonkeyMan576]

You're wrong, he's not backing me into a corner, I'm backing him. I think I've shown how ridiculous his thought process is.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm perfectly capable of acting offensive or defensive as I see fit, sometimes it makes sense to act defensive to see how far someone will go with their misguided logic.

[MonkeyMan576]

Suit yourself.

[MonkeyMan576]

[quote="BBT"

440 - Show me where my logic is 'misguided', Monkey?

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Where you say I should vote reasoning I don't agree with.

[MonkeyMan576]

But you said I didn't have any other reasoning so where is this objection coming from? If I had no other reasoning, you would agree to voting if I could show you some, because you don't think it exists.

Do you see the problem here?

Nope, your logic is still bad.

[MonkeyMan576]

Nope, your logic is still bad.

Yeah.

My

logic is bad.

Glad we agree.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah, Monkey always screams scum to me. When I was scum in a game, The Burning, and I knew he was town, I still legitimately felt he should have flipped scum.

You failed to mention that my scum reads were pretty spot on that game by the end of the day, my issue was convincing everyone else of them. I even ended up voted...*gasp* ScumBoon.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yep, it's somethign I need to improve on. But it shows that my scumhunting skills are more than adequate.

[MonkeyMan576]

You had one out of two as a possibility, in a situation where you should have known 100% who both scum were.

Evidently not, since most of the other players weren't voting scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

Can you recap the case on Zeb?

[MonkeyMan576]

Ok, I can get behind a tip wagon.

Vote: Tip

Random is scum too, though.

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: tipEVERYTHING is Pony's case makes sense.

Clarification for read on Ploben: I thought he was dodging questions, I ISO'd him, and he wasn't dodging questions. Sure, he's avoiding the game, but nowhere near on the level of tip or House.

Random is null leaning town, I forgot to put him in.

Monkey: Why is random scum?

House, Boon: Why are you two buddying (other than friendliness)?

He seems to be purposefully lurking, like he could say more if he wanted to but is just deciding not to to avoid criticism.

[MonkeyMan576]

null, but only because there can be so many scum players.

[MonkeyMan576]

Unvote:

I don't see any need to rush a lynch.

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote: ploben

[MonkeyMan576]

That's a pretty anti-town stance, Kaboose. Town should be willing to consider any events that happen at any time.

[MonkeyMan576]

I like the ploben wagon more than the tip wagon. Zeb and random could easily be scum, all four on ploben look pretty town to me.

[MonkeyMan576]

Not according to the vote count CDK posted. If that's not the latest my apologies, but the point still stands.

[MonkeyMan576]

Lynch please.

[MonkeyMan576]

CKD unvoted. but he should still claim because of the time crunch.

[MonkeyMan576]

Boon and Random, what are your reads on each other, considering you have played with each other before?

[MonkeyMan576]

If tip is town, I will accept my lynch. I'm 90% sure he's scum, though, and I really don't see why I should be lynched for being on scum's wagon. If you want to lynch me because you think I'm scum, fine, but don't lynch me for wanting to lynch scum, that's utterly ridiculous.

I'm conflicted about Boonskiies' hammer. On the one hand, I'm glad that tip's going to get lynched today; on the other, Boonskiies being self-contradictory is scummy. His play alone is anti-town. His last post really, really pings my scumdar and I can't explain why.

I'm not saying tip is town, but I'm not sure he's "90% scum." Care to elaborate?

[MonkeyMan576]

@random: Then what is scumBoon?

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote: CuriousKarmaDog

Absent on both lynches. Also, I know him as decent scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote: CKD

[MonkeyMan576]

Do you really think a perfect town game would be that easy?

[MonkeyMan576]

Or you could be lying and be the last mafia.

[MonkeyMan576]

It doesn't add up that there is a missing night kill. Until someone else claims that they were roleblocked or something.

Vote: Randommidget

[MonkeyMan576]

Why would I claim vig as mafia?

um....so you can say you had town motivation for killing?

[MonkeyMan576]

Scum hard bus all the time. There is still a unaccounted for night kill, if random is indeed the vig, that's all that matters. The only reason anyone should be voting for anyone other than random is if there's a good reason there's not two night kills last night, which there's not. Therefore, random is scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

You're still not accounting for the 2nd night kill. Why are you ignoring this? If he shot Zeb than there would be a mafia kill in addition to the vig kill, and there wasn't.

[MonkeyMan576]

That seems pretty unlikely to me, but it's worth a consideration. But I am definately town.

Unvote

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote: House

[MonkeyMan576]

Your play hasn't been the most pro-town House, especially self voting.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm vanilla townie.

[MonkeyMan576]

Oh, no of course I did not visit anyone.

[MonkeyMan576]

What about it? I wanted to use the full 24 hours.

[MonkeyMan576]

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote: Boon