Mini 1668 - Mafia in Bremen - Game Over!

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Elyse

I'm not compelled by this BBT shenanigans and scum!Elyse scares me.

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At this point I'm actually pretty comfortable

VOTE: BBT

Don't get too comfortable Elyse. I'll be on to you!

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(11 shots so far today. GG WP citizens.)

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VOTE: Rune

Are you serious? Page 3 and you're already wondering about multiball?

I'm not buying that from town. That sounds like scum with a team comp which suggests multiball, ie bulletproof / goon.

[RadiantCowbells]

Plus a bunch of apologies.

GTFO BBT br0sephin3z. LET'S ROCK THIS JOINT!

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I want to see more from RadiantCowbells, as so far the posts have seem very reactionary and not too analytical, but ultimately I don't have a read either way at this point.

guessing this is your first game as scum.

welcome to the party.

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Aight I'm about to get a whack load of usable meta information to use WRT BBT in this game.

Let's see what happens.

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Aight.

VOTE: BBT

I'm seeing a lot of the same stuff I saw in my last game where he flipped scum.

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I don't like how you're more concerned with how my posts reflect on your scumminess as opposed to how my posts reflect on my own alignment.

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Like, you strike me as newb!scum who every time they see someone who has a post scumreading them is like OMG THIS PERSON IS SCUMREADING ME I AM GOING TO BE LYNCHED I BETTER DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

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Right now you're laying the groundwork for an RC!Vote, which is fine in general, RC always gets voted D1, but you're doing it not because you think RC is scum, but because you're concerned with self defence and your post essentially states that.

There's a slight chance you're just newb!town who is overly concerned with how they're perceived but right now you're my biggest scumread.

(so why am I voting BBT? figure it out.)

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Credibility can fuck off.

Scum is scum, and your failure to recognize a legitimate argument is your own problem, not mine.

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In fact

VOTE: Dannflor

It's not very conclusive in this context because it might just be him being a twat, but consider the context:

He's attacking the credibility of my BBT read.

He's not attacking me for being scum.
He's not attacking be as being wrong.

No, he's attacking me as being non-credible.

It's interesting that that angle is the one chosen for that post.

Care to enlighten me, Dannflor?

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So basically it's like an Ad-Hominem on steroids. I'm non-credible, which means not believable as opposed to wrong, for using the meta argument, without giving any background on why a meta argument is problematic.

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Cases that are based on meta have next to no credibility whatsoever.

You say you have some meta dirt on BBT and fail to show it.

These are two radically different things.

The second looks a lot like you noticed your position slip in the first and are trying to correct it.

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You're correct that I have not presented a legitimate argument.

Yeah. I'm attacking the credibility of your town read. I think meta is a stupid thing to base a read off of.

That makes me wrong.

That doesn't make me non-credible.

Why did you choose that word?

You failed to read the rest of my post then.

Oh I read it all right.

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So tell me, skipping the words credible-

Am I town? Y/N
Am I right about BBT scum? Y/N

No more credible.

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Aight I had a post but deleted it in Pedit phase.

Essentially I really don't like Dannflor's defense of BBT.

The immediacy of that defense just seems a little strange to me.

Fairly decent chance of them being scum together but who knows.

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If we both agree that my meta comment is unlikely to prompt a quicklynch against him, then why are you so concerned with it?

credible

Because credible means that I'm not believable. It doesn't mean I'm wrong and it doesn't mean I'm scum.

Essentially, at first glance it means that I'm correct but you won't listen to me. Like global warming.

I find that to be somewhat ironic, can't you see that?

I don't like how you're more concerned with yourself than me.

I don't feel particularly motivated to expand on that right now because I'm not interested in pushing you right now, and I'm not worried about you thinking that I'm scum.

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There being a meta reason is a legitimate argument, it's just not substantiated.

It exists, it just hasn't been put in thread, and Dannflor called it non-credible without asking for it.

However, it does mean that your read on him loses credibility in my eyes. Because something based on meta isn't going to sway me unless there is something else there.

Which brings us back to the part where I vote you.

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I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on how we view meta.

I mean, if you're not going to respect my reads whether I'm town or scum, and I already scumread you, why exactly should I want you alive?

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I don't, after all, have to agree to disagree, do I?

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I'm pretty sure I just finished hammering BBT in lylo.

Not exactly going to respect that signature right now.

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Listen, when I say "meta" I mean something more along the lines of

"I noticed certain patterns in the way he conducts himself in thread that differ in the way he acts from his town self and not in a way that would be easily manipulated."

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To be clear, if BBT were at L-1 right now, I would not hammer.

It's just somewhere to look.

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That you're voting me?

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Which is still quite interesting because you talk like you don't scumread Rune.

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Why are you so apologetic about voting for a scumread?

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I am reading through your game where you hammer BBT. I immediately notice that your post count was lower to being with but the overall quality and level of interest in your posts was significantly greater there (at least in D1). Are you able to explain that?

That's what you call bias.

IE, you know and I know that BBT ends up flipping scum, so the posts where I tell BBT he's obvious scum seem prophetic whereas in the game itself people thought I was an idiot wasting time on an ego trip.

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To be honest I'm totally wasted so I can't really speak for the quality of my current posting.

I'll get back to you in the morning.

[RadiantCowbells]

NotAnAxehole set his own V/LA date using the V/LA tool in the user control panel so it's his own damned fault.

well played, sir.

vote: PB

Puts an active player to L-1 without saying anything about it.

Also, something to notice. There are currently 8 players with under 10 posts. That's 2/3 of all the players, I hope scum isn't sitting among those players waiting for us to pick each other off.

Complains about how scum could easily be in the lurker pile.

In the same post? Come on you're either scum or retarded.

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Actually I'm going to

VOTE: Havoc

His latest post, especially the part where he said one of Rune/RC is scum, feels like it was pulled out of his ass.

Sounds like mafia knowing that our conflict was TvT and trying to profiteer off of it, especially considering those were the only town reads he provided.

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(On monday for the first time in this game I'll actually be sober. just live it till then.)

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Alright.

VOTE: Havoc

Everything he does feels tactical and insincere.

I stand by my scumread on Dannflor, I townread PB, I'm neutral to rune now.

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I honestly don't remember voting him.

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haha I must have originally done that vote when I was plastered, forgotten about it, then reread the same posts from him and thought he was scum again.

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BBT, chill that insecurity of yours.

Just because I caught you in one game, doesn't make you a bad player.

You'll see I was right.

You'll see I don't care.

The main reason I voted you today was because I don't feel like playing with you when you're acting like this.

Continue to act like this and I'll just policy you without worrying about town/scum.

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Havoc voterino pls.

[RadiantCowbells]

Havoc (4 posts, poor-ish reads, and not a great defence of them - lurking as he is more active in another game now)

So Rune, consider switching your vote to Havoc with me?

Radioactive

Is that me?


As non-consecutive non-odd non-even non-night non-day cop, I can confirm that PB is town and we should all get to lynching Havoc.

[RadiantCowbells]

He's lurking his ass off, at the very least help me pressure him so we can get a cleaner read.

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Havoc in a bunch of scumpiles but only has one vote.

Interesting.

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Could you expand on the PB townread, since I still read him as scum?

Rather not.

@RC you have been going ham on me ever since 254, trying to get more votes together. I find it a bit too convenient that the point which you turned on me instead of on Dannflor who you say you still scumread came right after I called out either you or Rune(who i still scumread). It seems like a omgus to me.

I don't particularly care what it seems like to you. If you think I'm scum, push a counterwagon on me.

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@RC what are your other reads right now?

My read is that Annie is adorable.

I really want to lynch you because I hate the way you post but I have a feeling you'd flip town.

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I think it's actually kind of sad Reverend's response to me pushing this wgaon.

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So, you realize we want you to provide more content, but you're really going to try to make us take the initiative and explain what we want you to do to be towny?

Please.

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This game is cancer.

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I'll take that as a compliment.

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Yeah I was 100% positive Elyse was scum when I did a reread during day 3.

Too bad I couldn't do anything about it.

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lol at this shit town.

Jake staY off this site.
Elyse gg even though town did all the work for you.

would you like some tequila with that salt?

Where's my offer?

[RadiantCowbells]

Where is my goddamn tequila though I drank all mine yesterday.

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Well I was scumreading Oversoul and got cold feet on the Havoc lynch overnight so it's probably good that I died when I did.