Mini 1674: A Minimalist Text Adventure (Fire's Out)

[Sakura Hana]

Vote: BBT

notty is one of the most easy to read players on the site, this policy is bollocks, You are scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Forgive the new guy here, but what's the difference between meta and policy?

Meta is using pervious experience with a player to define their alignment.
policy is more of a you want to lynch a player because they'll be a problem and anti-town regardless of alignment so you want to weed em out first.

I don't really like the practice of policy, there's WotO and WotC and so many other options that can be used instead, and also BBT's supposed policy of notty is faulty.

[Sakura Hana]

Forgive the new guy here, but what's the difference between meta and policy?

Meta is using pervious experience with a player to define their alignment.
policy is more of a you want to lynch a player because they'll be a problem and anti-town regardless of alignment so you want to weed em out first.

I don't really like the practice of policy, there's WotO and WotC and so many other options that can be used instead, and also BBT's supposed policy of notty is faulty.

So in both cases, you use previous experience with a certain player to determine how they're going to act/if they're going to be a problem?

Well yes, but the difference is that in the former you can tell their alignment and in the later you can't tell their alignment and you don't care because they'll be a problem/liability regardless. pie explained it better than me actually.

[Sakura Hana]

Also tbh, when i read the first page i was about to come yelling at you all for spreading your votes everywhere during RVS, but this turned out better than i expected as i got a scumread without the need to participate in RVS.
On the other reads: pie town, soren maybe town, everyone else is still null.

[Sakura Hana]

So...not many reads then?

Pretty much, what else were you expecting?

[Sakura Hana]

I think scum is voting me.

Discuss.

Yet you are voting someone not voting you, gg.

[Sakura Hana]

I think scum is voting me.

Discuss.

I don't think there's 5 scum

That's not what he meant

[Sakura Hana]

I'm glad to say I think you're town, too. why do you think Soren is town?

His play asking questions about notty, seems to try to figure out where people's mindsets and motivations are.

[Sakura Hana]

OK. then given AK isn't voting you, what are you doing to figure out who the scum on your wagon is?

He's doing nothing, except poke fun at my implication of the same.

[Sakura Hana]

I like Asher for scum based on something other than him voting me.

You did imply this when I voted you, but you were already voting him back then, why do you think he's scum? pie said the same but all i see is a bunch of null posts coming from him.

[Sakura Hana]

Given everyone's reasoning for voting me is pretty shit, I can't distinguish between bad town and scum taking advantage of an opportunity presented to them by previously mentioned bad town.

a.k.a All of them could be "stupid town" and your post is a bunch of bollocks.
I'd think that if you think scum is on your wagon you'd distinguish a difference among the people voting you, but you think they are all equally bad votes, so why do you come to that conclusion? it still seems like another bollocks reasoning to me.

[Sakura Hana]

huh, what happened between 57 and 70 that made you forego your policy and jump into AK for.... what, soft defending you? You aren't going to be another Elbirn are you.

[Sakura Hana]

@Mala: don't tell me you seriously thought that'd work.

[Sakura Hana]

I mean if someone was a real dayvig and vig'd 5 pages into the game without the whole playerlist here and not much info to go on, i'd yell at them regardless of flip. No town day vig, vigs this early, and a scum day vig would vig this early to say "Oops! sorry i really thought that'd be scum!".

Although you do get town points for that.

[Sakura Hana]

yes, but if you're curious to know about whether or not I'm scum reading you, you should naturally be curious as to *why*.

you ask if I'm scum reading you. I say "yes" and don't explain the reason. you proceed to drop said line of questioning at that point.

This is a good point actually.

[Sakura Hana]

You're going to vote for Asher now, right?

you're doing the exact same thing!

[Sakura Hana]

Well probably "exact" is a bit of a stretch, but you dont scumhunt within your wagon despite calling out that there's scum there.

[Sakura Hana]

I am curious as to why, doesn't mean I plan on immediately asking it.

What.
seriously WHAT

[Sakura Hana]

Ok i'm literally here sitting wondering why AK would not be interested in knowing why you're being scumread.
Possible Explanations: He's scum and is going for a dismissal, He's newbie and is confused, He's just blatantly ignoring the scumread (why? because he's scum).
So BBT is probably busing. Why?
Possible Expalantions: Early towncred, A Newbie would likely trip him over, He's actually town (but he's still not scumhunting?).
But what if BBT's not Busing.
Goddamit now i feel like my mind is going in circles @_@

[Sakura Hana]

Dayvig: Malakittens

You're as silly as mala.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't think I've been dismissing anything, I think I've currently responded to everything, and I am still confused.

You see, if you were actually town, you'd be interested in hearing why pie's scumreading you, because then you'd have a grasp of her motivations whether she's wrong town or scum going for a ML, you don't seem the least bit interested in her motivations for her scumread on you.

[Sakura Hana]

Bulge is also scum.
notty's prob town since he's been voted by 2 scum at the very least.

[Sakura Hana]

What's the scum read on bulge?

Coming from the complete dismissal of the discussion on AK's motives for ignoring pie's scumread and instead granting him a townread for nonsensical reasons, to the vote on notty for similar reasons than BBT.

[Sakura Hana]

Funny the BBT wagon right now is fully composed of my townreads, minus one.

[Sakura Hana]

Something here doesn't add up.

Unvote
Vote: pieguyn

PEdit: Nevermind didn't like that reaction.

Unvote
Vote: BBT

Back here again.

[Sakura Hana]

1) How did I dismiss it? I gave my opinion. Not agreeing with someone's read doesn't mean I'm dismissing it.

You didn't comment at all on the discussion about him, you just said "Oh he's town because IRL". Giving a read on someone doesn't mean that you're commenting on any sort of discussion regarding that person. You're dismissing it.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't really know which of {you, Asher} I'd rather vote at this point.

Actually i didn't like this statement either =/

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: pieguyn

If paradise lost taught me anything is that i should follow my instincts over people's weird reactions.

[Sakura Hana]

but don't think they're aligned.

See you omitted something like this before.
I figured if you thought both are scum the sheer ammount of numbers would indicate that it'd be easier to help BBT bus his partner.
In other regards, it's kinda silly to figure out who's aligned with who at this point, and you've been questioning AK a lot, yet kept your vote on BBT.

[Sakura Hana]

do you disagree with my stated reasoning above?

Considering i've been pushing the interactions as busing, yes.

I'm pretty sure you remember this isn't a thing for me? I question people who I'm not voting without moving my vote relatively often.

I'm pretty sure i don't pay attention to your town games when i'm scum (which is pretty much the latest 2 games we've played together), and last thing i remember about you is that you scum used to be more laid back and town you more aggresive, and you've been trying to break that meta for months, while i dont find it unreasonable for you to do this. You haven't not only questioned AK, but you've also been saying "Youre scum because X" without interacting much with BBT if at all, until your most recent posts, despite BBT asking you to move your vote to the person who you seemed to without a shadow of doubt, be scumreading. At least the tone in your posts indicated as such.

[Sakura Hana]

Also i have another reason for my scumread on you but i'll save it up for later, since it's not something i can guarantee 100% town you wouldn't do.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm not sure where in my posts you're getting that I was confident on him being scum. and while my early posts towards BBT were only half-serious, I was serious when I said that him suggesting a PL was something I think he'd be more likely to do as scum

It's something on the tone of your posts.
Also why is BBT calling out for a PL on notty during RVS more likely to make him scum, than him calling out that there's scum in his wagon and not doing anything to find it?, in your latest posts you've focused quite a bit on that PL, and you never mentioned this other issue again, also why is that more scummy than the reason for your scumread on AK?

[Sakura Hana]

Like, here you're talking about how great my wagon is and how it contains two of your town reads plus yourself.

Tell me where i said your wagon was great because of it containing 2 townreads on it.

Who had 'weird reactions'?

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why is bulge scum

I already answered this question before.

There's something "off" about BlankFace

Good to know im not the only one feeling like that.

[Sakura Hana]

You gonna say what you didn't like about the reaction?

Yeah, the fact that my wagon was composed of only my townreads gave me pause and made me rethink, which is when i saw pie's movements and decided to vote there instead, but then you came and went saying "OH SO SINCE MY WAGON HAS YOUR TOWNREADS I MUST BE TOTES SCUM RIGHT?!" and I went "oh this guy's just taunting me now, must be scum" and voted back there again, then afterwards i remembered how i let off a correct scumread on paradise lost because of someone else's reactions causing me to misvig and i'm not gonna make the same mistake again, so i went back to my vote on pie.

[Sakura Hana]

@Sakura - Blank feels pretty town to me. Not sure what you're seeing.

It's a gut feeling btw.

[Sakura Hana]

Why would a wagon you're on, with the people you're town reading, give you pause and make you rethink?

Because people never follow me, when im voting scum. No matter how much i argue, quote and yell.

[Sakura Hana]

Ehh nah.
Don't think you're right on that one.

[Sakura Hana]

to protect others from

the dishonest

So says the one that likes to fake guilties...

[Sakura Hana]

I know I don't say it much, but I'm really proud of how much your scumgame has improved. Annoyed, but proud. Good job, mijo.

Does NY 182 have anything to do with that.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't agree with the notty scumread, i do agree with the soren townread.

[Sakura Hana]

notty's prob town since he's been voted by 2 scum at the very least.

Thinking back to this, i need to stop drawing conclusions from facts that have never happened.
notty's still town tho.

[Sakura Hana]

I think Sakura's more likely at this moment and don't think they are scum together, so.

If that's what you think then where's your vote? i rather you be voting me than silly lynchbait like Soren.

[Sakura Hana]

Btw, i already explained why pie's scum, there's been a bunch of post and not a single comment on the reasoning i think pie's scum, but well... guess that's what i'm used to anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

I just voted BBT bc he was being wagoned.

Oh ok, that's what I thought.

[Sakura Hana]

And then notscience completely ignores me.

[Sakura Hana]

btw @BlankFace: RC always plays like that, and i kinda wanted to WotC him (also because i know he has a tendency to do ANYTHING to get his scumreads lynched, like faking guilties), but oh well. I can never tell what he's thinking, but i dont remember ever playing a game with scum-him so i don't know if his scumgame is similar to his town game or anything, so im probs just gonna put him as null and ignore him for the most of the game.

[Sakura Hana]

Unvote
Vote: notscience

Pie is town.

[Sakura Hana]

nd that also means you need to push pie and sakura to hell tomorrow

Why not push me today instead? Do you even have anything to lose by voting me instead of sitting there lolvoting Soren?
I thought it was obvious that when I got a townread on pie I agreed with his points.
Rather i find it weird that you accused me of WKing you when i wasn't even townreading you until Bulge entered the game (and i explained why i townread you), you know how I have a tendency to townread ppl just because they get pushed by my scumreads, but *shrug* you're scum anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

And what happens when pie comes in here and 180's her read on me? You going to stick to this read based on /her/ thoughts or are you going to act like you have an original thought regarding me? For someone insanely good at reading me it sure is interesting that you are just sheeping someone else's read on me.

For someone supposed to be good at reading me as well, you sure went very wrong based on a white knighting that never existed.

[Sakura Hana]

You two would just WK each other and flaunt your history of reading each other to coast until lylo, easy

And who was it who said that we weren't scum together?

Well either way.

I see you really have no plans on looking back at my posts and re-asses so i see no need to do the same either, from my PoV I'm already voting scum, and there's no need for me to convince you that you are scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura I was town reading you so much 12 hours ago. What happened?

You tell me. I haven't done anything different, so something must have changed in your perception of my play.

Pie is literally the only one voting NotScience who gave any indication as to why.

And i'm probably never going to say why i think he's scum either way. It doesn't change anything for me because when I used to give reasons, people always ignored them, so I decided to not even bother. The worst of it all came when people used my arguments to convince me that the person was town, when i actually was correct to begin with.

[Sakura Hana]

because after I flip town you two should both be hung

This is a really weird approach, just like i scumread Gaiden for half of Lost Paradise while he was actually town, he didn't even see it as a reason to scumread me because he knows even the most accurate on reading him can't keep that 100%.
And suppose you flip town and pie's town, you just killed 3 townies because you refused to see anything else, great fucking job.
There no way you're town with this mindset.

[Sakura Hana]

Yet, you're still not voting me. Mr "Sakura's so scum that she knows i'll flip town"
Mr "I love to 1v1 with people"
Or is that you're scared because you know im town and you dont want to resort to mislynching a friend?

[Sakura Hana]

Oh wow, you're not 100% confident? Wow you fooled me completely, I thought for a second there that you were so confident you kept telling ppl left and right that we're scum without moving a finger to push any wagon onto us yourself. Yeah, that totally makes sense.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't really care if anyone joins my wagon, if anything i've learned is that ppl never join my wagons when i'm right anyway.
Thing is, you first accused me of white knighting you, yet i wasn't doing that, back then when I still townread you, then after i switch my vote to you and show you that i wasn't even townreading you yet on that post against BBT, you switch stories to "Sakura wouldn't misread me", So which one is it.

[Sakura Hana]

where did all this fire and passion come from?

There's fire and passion coming from you atm? In which fairy land?

[Sakura Hana]

You know what.
At this point, i don't really care anymore.
You trying to push BoP on me, when you dont even want to take on BoP yourself is hilarious.
I'm done trying to reason with you "Town notty wouldnt do this" "Scum notty would do this", all of this self-awareness already throws out those possibilities out of the window.

PEdit: Yeah back when i was voting pie, and telling Cho that you were town, yeah, totally, I can't honestly believe you even believe that yourself.

[Sakura Hana]

Yes, you're right i do care.
But your reasoning for scumreading me is shit.
Heck your reasoning for scumreading me is so shit.
That i'm willing to put our friendship on the line for this read.
If you're town this game, I promise i will never, talk to you, ever again. For pushign this shitty BoP as a ways to defend yourself from people that actually know how to read you.

This is the last straw.
I'm not moving my vote again ever.

[Sakura Hana]

Why would you even care, you're scum anyways.
Like I can't really wrap my head around why town you would pursue BoP as a reason to scumread me, considering both in Corpse Party and Lost Paradise i was never certain of my Gaiden reads who im supposed to be able to read better than anyone else.
The fact that you keep pushing me scumreading you as a reason to scumreading me is beyond the most BS i've ever seen, and if that's your town game, then i certainly don't want to have any more of it, ever again. Because I refuse to believe town notty would hurt me so.

[Sakura Hana]

Because apparently a "Sakura being wrong about notty" is nowhere in your system. I really refuse to believe that you can't see that. So my assumption is that i'm right and you're just pushing BS to try to make me change my read on you.

[Sakura Hana]

I would think it'd be their off game.
And i'd be sad...
Just like in Hope+1 when i ragequit.
This time's different tho.
You're scum.
And if you want to pursue this any further i want you to be on my mislynch wagon.
I want you to drench your hands with my townie blood.
I want to burn that image into your mind.
So you never try that strategy as scum ever again.

[Sakura Hana]

Here i'll even help you

Unvote
Vote: Sakura Hana

I'm waiting for you, come, Mr. "Im so sure Sakura's scum"

[Sakura Hana]

Nah, that was me trying to gauge your reaction, of course i wouldn't stop talking to you, but it caught you by surprise. You keep pushing nevertheless, which means you got nothing to lose, you're scum.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm still waiting for your vote, where is it?

[Sakura Hana]

And I'm not going to vote you.

Why not?
So you rather keep soft pushing me like you did in Hope+1?
I didn't think you'd be that heartless.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura do you realize that in order to "reaction test' you just pressed the one fucking button that will make me freak out as either alignment

So do tell

how that helps you solve fucking anything regarding my alignment

Becuase if you were scum you'd know nothing would happen since it was only in the given case you were town, the fact that my post never worried you is because you know you wont be flipping town.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura I was fucking town there

And this time you're scum, so?

[Sakura Hana]

IT FUCKING DID

No, you just went "Oh well you wont be talking to me ever again, SO LET'S KEEP PUSHING HER ANYWAY"
Or do you really think i'd try that sort of strategy as scum?
Do you still believe i'm scum?
Because I still believe that YOU are scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Like I don't mean to belittle either side of the argument but this head-state is no good for analysis if you actually want reliable results.

I already got my results.
notty's push is still BS.
So I'm teasing him because I want to teach him that scum never messes with me.

[Sakura Hana]

is going nowhere and it's dragging the town down with it.

Huh, i guess that was notty's plan...
So basically the same thing he did in PvZ.

[Sakura Hana]

Ah well, no matter I still want him to bathe in my blood. So he never tries to get me mislynched ever again when he's scum... EVER.

[Sakura Hana]

Take a break and step away for today. You're being overly aggressive and it's helping no one.

I wish i could, but this game has just left me in no mood to do anything at all. It's way too saddening for me.

[Sakura Hana]

I dunno, I just want to be lynched and I want notty to be on the wagon at this point.

[Sakura Hana]

So notty how much longer are you going to wait to lynch me.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, I'm not playing this game with you anymore.

ok

[Sakura Hana]

They could just whiteknight each other and carry themselves to lylo. That's what I keep bringing up and that's what keeps being misrepped.

Except that relies on the assumption that we're both scum, and we aren't (mostly coz i am not).

[Sakura Hana]

You know i could just sit here all day and take your low punches every post, but i am not.
Hence why I've decided that since you don't want to lynch me im just gonna self-vote all game until you do, or until you get night killed. I'll even do this in LyLo, which shouldn't be an issue to you since apparently i'm scum.

PEdit: Atm. I don't want to think about other people.

[Sakura Hana]

Apparently you're not done launching low blows at me.

[Sakura Hana]

Inb4 notscience uses pie's post as a demonstration of us both being scum WKing each other...

[Sakura Hana]

Why should I? Your still trying to say we're scum together fits perfectly into pie's post, why wouldn't you be wanting to lynch me now? You even have Mala's support!

[Sakura Hana]

What a shame, well since you don't want to lynch who you're certain is scum, i don't have qualms on doing it

Unvote
Vote: notscience

[Sakura Hana]

Because if notscience really thought i was scum he would have voted me.
Scum notscience would rather night kill me than to mislynch me, and that showed with all his hesitance to lynch me.
He also ignored everything i've said and keeps pushing the exact same thing from like the early game as a reason to push both me and pie as scum.
notscience is scum, there's no doubt about it in my mind anymore.
Specially after he decided to carelessly continue pushing me as scum after the reaction test. He obviously had nothing to worry about.

[Sakura Hana]

Because if notscience really thought i was scum he would have voted me.
Specially after he decided to carelessly continue pushing me as scum after the reaction test. He obviously had nothing to worry about.

Or he's careless because he's angry because you keep pushing him. This isn't some crazy strategy, this is him getting angry which is a normal reaction.

See and this is why i rather stay quiet about my reasons for suspecting people.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh right, RC might be scum too. If not for the fact that he feels more like a distracting shiny object than scum.

[Sakura Hana]

I still don't know what to make of pie, I feel he'd have done that big WKing post as either alignment, and his drop out of the notty wagon feels natural with the whole shitstorm that happened.
Blank feels town.
Mala is being weird.
AK is avoiding commenting on anything not related to notsci-me (like I only see him pop in to post when something between us happens, and then dissapears again)

[Sakura Hana]

AK is avoiding commenting on anything not related to notsci-me (like I only see him pop in to post when something between us happens, and then dissapears again)

Not to mention that scum-notscience is townreading him as a bonus.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't really believe town-her actually scum reads you here or that she thinks this looks like your scum game. I also don't really like that she just dropped a vote and appeared not to have, or at least lay out, any reasoning behind it. It felt to me more like she was attempting to buddy up to/protect notsci here.

Yeah that's what i was thinking too, and found it odd that it happened right after you called me an IC.
At first i thought she wanted to go along and lynch me as I was asking, but I was asking notscience to lynch me (And fun fact is that notscience never dropped his scumread and is still going on about it after the fact, which is why i think he's scum).

[Sakura Hana]

For real, can you two look at everyone else in this game and not comment on each other for a bit? This is not me as a player, this is me as a person. This shit is getting borderline unhealthy.

If you haven't noticed when my taunting strategy ended i gave my reads on other people.

[Sakura Hana]

I still don't know what to make of pie, I feel he'd have done that big WKing post as either alignment, and his drop out of the notty wagon feels natural with the whole shitstorm that happened.
Blank feels town.
Mala is being weird.
AK is avoiding commenting on anything not related to notsci-me (like I only see him pop in to post when something between us happens, and then dissapears again)

^
Here just quoted it for you.

[Sakura Hana]

Basically im currently thinking of possible notscience, mala, AK.

[Sakura Hana]

Of which im probably wrong on 1. Considering im usually wrong on 1 when i point out a scumteam.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm trying to figure out if it makes more sense with notsci/Mala as partners or notsci-town Mala-scum. While I suppose it could go either way, it's the kind of thing I'd generally expect more from scum buddying town as opposed to scum protecting a partner.

I'm assuming you think this would be with both notsci/Mala as scum?

I think notscience is scum regardless of mala's actions.
I think mala's actions make sense as scum.

If you think notscience could be town and mala could be buddying him in either scenario wouldn't it be better to just lynch mala?

[Sakura Hana]

ftr in case that wasn't clear enough my notscience scumread is independant of my mala scumread, but both being in a team wouldn't be too farfetched considering both of their actions in relation to each other.

[Sakura Hana]

but you are welcomed to try.

ok

Unvote
Vote: mala

[Sakura Hana]

Blank, stop getting distracted by shiny objects. I said RC's best ignored, and now you see why.

[Sakura Hana]

Granted RC, COULD be scum, but im not sure of it yet.

[Sakura Hana]

Instead join me on Mala, because she's lining up lynches.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, do you doubt my scumhunting ability?

I don't, but i do see some OMGUS-like emotion sprung on the reasoning for your votes.

[Sakura Hana]

In depth analysis of a player

Succinct summary of case

Compelling vote

Also what the hell is even this.

[Sakura Hana]

Because people never follow me, when im voting scum. No matter how much i argue, quote and yell.

Case in point.
And now im just gonna lurk until Day end, bye.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok I lied, im not gonna lurk.
But mala's vote on me when i was attacking notty reeks of chainsaw.
Also specially after pie said i was as conftown as an IC.
And her read list says that only one of me/pie is scum.
If i'm scum shouldn't she be trying to respond to pie's town case on me to show him that he's wrong instead of saying "LOL IM NOT GETTING LYNCHED", She's defending from me more instead of trying to get me lynched.
Most likely she just plans on lynching pie after i flip town.

[Sakura Hana]

Most likely she just plans on lynching pie after i flip town.

Oh and I know what her case is gonna be "You already knew her alignment so that's why you made a town case"
mala's movements and logic dont follow each other.
Please lynch her.

Regards,
Sakura

[Sakura Hana]

Ok. NOW i am gonna lurk until day end.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't like Sakura stating he plans on ignoring RC for the majority of the game.

Well it was something I talked about with Mystery Current Player while the game was in signups because i wanted to WotC RC, but Mystery Current Player told me that it wasn't an issue because RC could just be ignored. (And to be fair im doing a bad job at ignoring him anyway)

[Sakura Hana]

Also gonna repost my case on Mala

Ok I lied, im not gonna lurk.
But mala's vote on me when i was attacking notty reeks of chainsaw.
Also specially after pie said i was as conftown as an IC.
And her read list says that only one of me/pie is scum.
If i'm scum shouldn't she be trying to respond to pie's town case on me to show him that he's wrong instead of saying "LOL IM NOT GETTING LYNCHED", She's defending from me more instead of trying to get me lynched.
Most likely she just plans on lynching pie after i flip town.

[Sakura Hana]

@Blanky: What do you think about my points wrt Mala that i posted earlier (Tho the things you found are quite interesting too, i hadn't noticed them)

[Sakura Hana]

Oh hey, more Mala talking defending herself than pushing her scumreads.

[Sakura Hana]

I like Blank face's points on Sakura.

What.

Also I figured any scumread i had that was on actual scum wouldn't ever get traction anyway, meh, why didn't i just quit mafia back then.

[Sakura Hana]

The fact that i'm still unsure about pie's alignment bothers me...

[Sakura Hana]

Like i know for sure that pie would have a townread on me now, because of obvious stuff that i would never do as scum (or so he says), but the initial townread based on my first post is still kinda "wtf" after the last 2 scumgames i had (where in the first i snowed him, and in the second he showed lots of caution to declare a townread on me), this doesn't seem right.
Furthermore, he expressed a scumread on Mala independant on notty's alignment as if trying to figure notty's alignment instead, but said he could wagon mala, I vote mala, and laid some good points about mala scum that he ignores, and then keeps telling mala that im town and asks her why im scum, she doesn't reply to those points and he doesn't seem to care.
Mala on the other hand says that one of me/pie is scum for certain, but is leaning on me (for no reason?), despite apparently being onto pie for longer, but thing is, if she thinks one of us is scum, and she thinks i'm the scum one, by result she must be thinking right now that pie's the town one, and hasn't addressed his town case either (and pie doesn't seem to care about this anymore). Furthermore all her replies are everytime someone attacks her, and never ever addresses why she thinks im scum, nor tries to push for my lynch.

At this point... im actually thinking probs pie+mala could be scum.

[Sakura Hana]

but the initial townread based on my first post is still kinda "wtf" after the last 2 scumgames i had (where in the first i snowed him, and in the second he showed lots of caution to declare a townread on me), this doesn't seem right.

BTW this is that "other reason" i mentioned way back then when i first voted pie.

[Sakura Hana]

It's general, I've laid a scum case on mala earlier, then quoted it again the day after, no one cares, like scum usually has this magical barrier around them that prevents me from getting any wagon onto them. Which is why i like vig roles.

[Sakura Hana]

Am I *actually* ignoring your posts?
And if you're gonna ignore mine that's fine, it's history of my life anyway. I'm used to it.

[Sakura Hana]

But right now I feel your purposefully ignoring my cases on my scumreads, just to try to get me to vote your scumread instead, if i end up "accidentally" linking you to them, that's... your own fault.

[Sakura Hana]

Well the faking guilty thing is the one thing i remember about you being always accused of, and i think you also used it in that one Large Normal years ago where the scum team gave up in the end. So far you haven't tried to sell me on BBT-Scum, while i've been laying out my reasons for my scumreads, which you ignore, why shouldn't i think you're in a scumteam with them? I was defending you earlier because last time i saw you did the same thing, and were town, but ignoring other people just to satisfy your ego filled hunger that's capable of faking a cop guilty to get them lynched isn't right.

PEdit: I could agree to that. I don't really like making enemies after all.

[Sakura Hana]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32551 Pretty sure you remember this dont you.

[Sakura Hana]

but ignoring other people just to satisfy your ego filled hunger that's capable of faking a cop guilty to get them lynched isn't right.

Why do you think I was ignoring you?

I was thinking among the posibilties of scum ignoring the case on their partners.

[Sakura Hana]

Not really. I had an issue with you, not you with me.

[Sakura Hana]

Besides, as I said, i didn't actually ignore you, as I said before your scumread on BBT seems more like fueled by some OMGUS-like emotion so i'm not interested in that sort of vote. Tho you're right that i should probably have not said what I said, and for that I apologize.

[Sakura Hana]

Sigh, i'm really sorry, i tend to speak out of line a lot. I should've just kept that to myself, tho at least i did express my honest feelings about you as a player, fair's fair tho, you signed up first for this, if you want i'll replace out and leave you alone.

[Sakura Hana]

(Besides ppl keep ignoring me anyways)

[Sakura Hana]

That's mafia, I guess.

It does break my heart and motivation tho.
I've laid out a perfectly fine case thrice already, Blank went like "Oh yeah i'll look at it... over... time", BBT isnt even caught up, pie, notscience, you, everyone else have just flat out ignored it instead of going "Oh yeah you're right" or "Oh no, you're wrong because X". No one has said absolutely anything about it, and how do people expect me to find scum, if people dont even have the decency to at least address my cases. It has the bonus that the mala case doesn't even have any meta involved.

[Sakura Hana]

Meh, i should probably have quit mafia I guess, this is just going to be a repeat of the last time where i find scum, but in the end, end up having to compromise and helping scum mislynch.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh god fine I'll vote Mala but if this hits town we're doing things my way tomorrow.

VOTE: Malakittens

I can agree to that.

[Sakura Hana]

Keep in mind that there's some pretty bad pre-flip associative tells between the two of them, which is a large part of the reason I'm switching votes.

Yeah a lot of the stuff in this game is giving me bad vibes, and it seems that somehow the spotlight is leading to those that appear individually scummy, instead of those that appear to be in a group.

[Sakura Hana]

I remember us talking about Mala and me saying I agreed with the scum read there?

I didn't make a case before, it was just me stating a read based on mala's moves at the time, my case came after I voted her.

[Sakura Hana]

I think that this post was town

1 post is town, mindset and actions don't match up, even scum can make town posts from time to time, heck look at what pie said about my scum game on Mafia in the Land of Fantasy 2.

[Sakura Hana]

RC vote hop is weird.

Tbf, i did ask him to help me lynch mala. And he did point out his reason for switching votes, I don't see where you're getting at.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh god fine I'll vote Mala but if this hits town we're doing things my way tomorrow.

VOTE: Malakittens

Oh god fine I'll vote Mala but if this hits town we're doing things my way tomorrow.

VOTE: Malakittens

I can agree to that.

Keep in mind that there's some pretty bad pre-flip associative tells between the two of them, which is a large part of the reason I'm switching votes.

^

[Sakura Hana]

...
Yeah i read a lot of the posts that were going on via my phone while i was at the dentist...
And it's a good thing i did because i felt so much rage that i almost ragequit this game.
One thing's not changing tho, i'm blacklisting malakittens after this game.
I can't seriously believe she's managing to get pity read again just because she pulled Real Life issues again when she's being voted. This has happened literally every single game and im tired of it.
Also i probably will end up voting BBT, because that RC vote is horrible, and he didn't even look at my mala case which has ZERO meta on it, also because i'm at the point of not giving a F about this game because GUESS WHAT, PEOPLE ARE IGNORING ME AGAIN, HURRAY, WHY DO I EVEN BOTHER PLAYING.
I wanted to believe that things would change.
I really did...
They aren't...
Kudos to pie for completely dodging my points against mala and going "AH well i'll still vote BBT despite me mentioning mala's scum for like the last few posts and deciding to ignore sakura's vote on her despite me mentioning that i'd wagon mala too".
Obvious scumteam is Obvious.... or is it, apparently it's not, idk where people's minds are in this game, but they certainly aren't in this game.
I'm really tired of this...
This is just more painful than fun at this point.
I wanted to quit before and you guys tried to get me to stay, and for what? to do this, to put more pain to me? To make me feel even worse?
I just.... dont even... why do i even try.... really.... im just...
I'm just gonna take a rest, and i'll probs end up replacing out or something, i dont want to have to deal with this pain anymore.
Guess i ended up ranting in the end anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura, what is your case on Mala?

I stopped reading at around page 30 I think.

I'm assuming you posted it after then?

Yeah i've posted it about 3 times on my ISO, here i'll post it again:

Also gonna repost my case on Mala

Ok I lied, im not gonna lurk.
But mala's vote on me when i was attacking notty reeks of chainsaw.
Also specially after pie said i was as conftown as an IC.
And her read list says that only one of me/pie is scum.
If i'm scum shouldn't she be trying to respond to pie's town case on me to show him that he's wrong instead of saying "LOL IM NOT GETTING LYNCHED", She's defending from me more instead of trying to get me lynched.
Most likely she just plans on lynching pie after i flip town.

Not Mafia: I could go ahead and scan my games on this site, but i dont remember all the games i've had with mala and i don't remember the games she's been scum too, one more vote isn't gonna get mala lynched and i don't have the energy to go and dig the games to remember which one she pulled that sort of shit and was scum, i do remember she pulling that sort of shit on most games i've been with her tho, so it's regardless of alignment.

[Sakura Hana]

How does town notscience react to a situation liek this, cho

Also pie, I still think Mala is scum.

And here i thought Mala was specifically targetting you with her AtE.
If you ask me, she sort of suspecting every single person that dares suspect you is really awkward.
And then pulling these sort of defensive posts or laughing at ppl everytime she's being attacked.
And never actually pushing her scumreads.
In adition to she magically forming a scumread on me, and never explaining it.
Yet saying that she has this certain scumread on AK but not pushing it (or even voting it).
And then you also suspecting me "for misreading you" yet never doing anything to actually get me lynched.
And you expect me to not expect you both are a scum team?
You voted mala and unvoted at the first emotional reaction she pulled, and now you say she's still scum, but still not voting her.
What the hell.

[Sakura Hana]

It seems like Bins gave up on getting pagetops.

VCs every second page is more important to me ~ mod <3

[Sakura Hana]

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