I'll never remember that sequence of numbers.
By the way, are we going to be told what roles the Mafia picked for the town as this is an "open" setup?
I don't hope for any substance until someone says something suspicious.JDodge wrote:Is there any chance we can get back to the game at some point, or are you all just going to have little joke bandwagons for the rest of the day?
Well, I don't think vig was one of the choices. They had to choose between Cop, Doctor and Roleblocker. I think Roleblocker is a no-brainer. The roleblocker can easily interfere with the town if he guesses incorrectly and the Mafia can easily send the person who comes across as the most "Pro-Town" to do the kill.Mert wrote: On another note, I've been thinking about this a bit... I think it's probably unlikely that scum would choose Cop and Doc for the power roles due to the power this'd give, so in my opinion there's probably a vig out there someplace. This could help us in the coming days, for sure. Pure conjecture/WIFOM/whatever, but I'm just thinking aloud right now about the setup.
Thoughts?
You missed my vote on dylan41985, which is still active. Seriously, if you're going to pretend to be a mod, then at least get your votes right. Otherwise, step away and let yellowbounder do his job.Honary Hitchhiker wrote:Unoffical Vote Count
(1)Patrick- (xyzzy)
(1)Shanba-(dylan41985)
(2)Mert-(Patrick, Schismatized)
(3)Xyzzy-(Somestrangeflea,Honary Hitchhiker,Mneme)
(3)Somestrangeflea-(JDodge,Ms Piggy, Shanba)
You know... it says in the game rules that we might get deadlined, but there has been no threat of it and it's not looming. You are seriously looking for a quicklynch, which really hurts the town. We're not going to get deadlined if you say something useful and contribute to the discussion. But, instead, you think you can just toss your votes around until everyone randomly votes for the same person. What is your hurry?somestrangeflea wrote:In thesoleinterest of not getting deadlined...
Unvote
Vote: Mert
It makes a difference that it was in twilight because we didn't know the result yet. Only Mafia would have known for sure that somestrangeflea was a townie.Patrick wrote: So... you're saying that the hammer was indeed way too fast, whilst critisising me for pointing it out. Ok. What difference does it make that it was in twilight?
Hey there. I will note that you kind of say the same thing about every player, so it's hard to really differentiate what the degree of your suspicions are. It's true that I might have attacked ssf for just being himself, but that was only my second game with him. I didn't know if he always acted like that or if this was something different. I no longer feel like a newbie, but I think I was at that time. (Remember, this game was in hiatus for over a month.)mneme wrote:
Rishi: attacked Mert for vote hopping. Attacked SSF for being SSF. Was at Gencon (Rishi: I was also at Gencon -- how was your con?) Very little content in total.
By the way, Rishi = he.mneme wrote:Er, TM? Jack? I listed everything everyone did. Not much significant happened -- but IMO, those who went with the flow and didn't really do much are most suspicious. I'm pretty convinced Rishi's scum, actually, and your (lacksidasical) defense of her is noted.
I picked you over Rishi because your attack on me is also fairly scummy in form -- coming into the game and following while not really giving anything resembling reasoning, whereas Rishi mostly just hasn't been here. Over Patrick because you're more scummy than he is (duh).
But he's not. Why not? Maybe I'm fishing for reasons, but if he's absolutely convinced, then there must be a reason he's going elsewhere.Shanba wrote:That is a terrible reason not to vote for you. Absolutely terrible. If he thinks someone is scum, he should vote for them.Rishi wrote: Well, here's an argument. Even though I am your top suspect, I think you're focusing your attention in other places, because, well, it's much easier to start a bandwagon elsewhere than it is to start a bandwagon on me.
Again...mneme wrote:No, I'm not. I said "I'm pretty convinced she's scum". That's as much saying "I'm convinced she's scum" as saying "I'm almost sure you're a townie" is saying "I'm sure you're a townie."Jack wrote: Now you are saying that you are convinced she's scum.
You've played in over 30 games where posting was allowed in twilight and you don't understand why you're being criticized for it? It's a common argument in games I've seen.Patrick wrote: I don't see what's a big deal here. I was frustrated because we'd lynched early and based on not much that I could see. Also, I'm allergic to lynching without a claim because it's terrible play. As for posting in twilight, I don't think I can remember a game I've played in before this where it wasn't allowed. And I've played in over 30. Maybe the games I've played in have been a series of anomalies (shrug).
I don't know how I missed this before.mneme wrote: Rishi: yes, I get that you're a guy. But it's a name that codes as "female" in my head and we were discussing a specific quote.
No worries. End of discussion about this.mneme wrote:Rishi: Typically, in Romance languages (which English is, sort of), names ending in vowels are female. Not a constant, obviously, but takes wrapping one's head around when one encounters an exception, particulary one not using a final "Y". I'll try not to make that particular mistake again, though discussing quotes is an obvious exception.
Interesting point. Patrick?mneme wrote: Patrick, any reason you made that post but then backed off on Ms. Piggy/Jack today?
Typical JDodge.JDodge wrote:I am lurking. Discuss.
I never voted for xyzzy and never really suspected him. So, no explanation necessary.Setael wrote:I don't know what to think of Shanba's reasons for pulling his vote off xyzzy and not bringing him up again. Could be legitimate, could be just an excuse. Now shizmatized is being replaced and won't be able to explain his reasons. I was the most suspicious of those 2, but I'd also like to hear from the others - Ms. Piggy was replaced, but JDodge, Rishi and Mneme could all give their reasons.
This statement seems a little odd to me. There are other people who are lurking more rampantly than Shanba. In fact, Shanba posts more than you do in this game.mneme wrote: Shanba's defensive and lurking play doesn't make me like him much better in this game.
Man, I need to pay more attention. I completely missed this.Thesp wrote:Deadline:Two weeks from this post - October 3, 7:30pm Central US Time.
A simple plurality will lynch at that point. Ties will be broken by Longest-Held-Last-Vote.
Actually, this is the response that I was hoping that you would give. You've dropped off my radar for now.Guardian wrote: [*]My playstyle in this game isintentionallydifferent from my typical style. This is to both avoid people being able to metagame me, and to see if this is more effective. Your read "Guardian town didn't play like this" is accurate -- but unless you can demonstrate that "Guardian scumdoesplay like this" your argument is a null tell.
It's pretty bad. Even the mod had to be replaced!White wrote:Wow guys, I am so lost and confused in this game. I honestly can't keep up. I'm sorry, i'm going to have to reread. The quantity of replacements makes this much harder to keep up with.
Interesting. Also Setael = she.Shanba wrote: I really want a Setael lynch. Mneme's behaviour towards him and his play d1 combined makes me think he's very likely scum. Nothing else I've seen is as convincing as the case on him though Setael's play is better by leaps and bounds).
I honestly never really saw the suspicion on Shanba. I think he's town. I find JDodge hard to read, but I agree that he can wait.Guardian wrote:I am very interested in xyzzy and Setael today. Jdodge and Shanba can wait.
I really want to hear from xyzzy, it definitely seems that he is intentionally lurking at this point.
I don't think you're scum, but you have been acting somewhat cocky in this game lately, and I'm not sure why.Shanba wrote:try harder.JDodge wrote:Shanba sounds like a good idea for a wagon
Vote: Shanba
Well, I probably would continue to vote him when replaced, but the point that I was emphasizing is that I will definitely not unvote or switch my vote at any point before that.Guardian wrote:I found xyzzy's posts scummy in and of themselves, and his intentional lurking only added to that.
Rishi, why say?Rishi wrote:Until we get a replacement for xyzzy or a post from him, the vote stands.
If you think his role is scum, wouldn't you keep voting him even if a replacement shows up?
QED = quod erat demonstrandum. It's Latin. You can look it up if you want.Setael wrote:I don't know what QED is supposed to stand for, but unless it's supposed to indicate a joke of some kind, you're still not answering my question, which is: If your only reason for thinking xyzzy is scummy is the fact that he's lurking, why would you choose him over JDodge? Do you think JDodge is NOT lurking?rishi wrote:I pick xyzzy over JDodge because I don't think JDodge is scum. QED.
The point of saying that "JDodge always plays like this" is to point out that we shouldn't lynch him just for his playstyle. The theory is that lynching a townie, even if they are unhelpful, is not good for the town.Bookitty wrote: And if he's not willing to pay attention, or post any content, then really what good is he to town anyway?
Unhelpful, scummy town is nearly as bad as scum. I don't know which JDodge is, but he's definitely one of the two.
It is interesting that Setael never really implicated xyzzy and attacked those who were suspicious of him.Patrick wrote:I'm not sure what to do with JDodge right now.
I could conceivably see Setael and Bookitty as scum together.
When I asked the question to Guardian, I was thinking about what answers would clear him in my mind. I was "hoping" he would say that he was changing up his playstyle a little, because that was the only way that it would reconcile the inconsistency I sensed in my mind: 1) His play seemed a little off. And 2) He still seemed pro-town.Bookitty wrote: I'm just not feeling this case at the moment. I would like an answer about why Rishi "was hoping" that Guardian would respond a certain way, but I'm not hopping on this wagon without better evidence than this.
I was doing a re-read on myself (yes, I do that sometimes when bored) and this is a bald-faced lie. In between those two posts, I questioned xyzzy's lurking twice. And there was also this little nugget:Setael wrote: Next scumtell. Rishi's sudden jump onto the xyzzy wagon after never suspecting him all game.
His next post about xyzzy:rishi wrote:I never voted for xyzzy and never really suspected him. So, no explanation necessary.He hasn’t given any reason for changing his mind. Has said he wants to hear from xyzzy, but never said once that he thought he was scummy or suspicious until he is the popular vote and all of a sudden xyzzy is his #1 candidate.rishi wrote:Right now xyzzy is my #1 candidate for scum, but I don't feel right pushing for his lynch without him saying something. But maybe that's his strategy.
Setael, it's not so hard to find someone scum when you have a vivid imagination.Rishi wrote:Well, sorry I haven't gotten a chance to post in Day 3 yet. I really think we need to hear from xyzzy. He's a top suspect and the fact that he is so rampantly lurking has got to mean something. I am going to assume that Thesp has prodded him. But I don't feel right about lynching someone who hasn't had a chance to post.
They're my words. I know what I was implying.Setael wrote:Saying "he's a top suspect" is not saying "I'm suspicious of him". Also, saying "the fact that he is rampantly lurking has got to mean something" is also not saying "I'm suspicious of him." You went from being absolutely convinced he was Town and saying you had never suspected him at all, to being willing to vote him just for lurking. Doesn't take a vivid imagination, but thanks for playing.