Open 27- Bird C9 (Game over!) before 466

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Reporting in.

Gotta reread, I'll post my thoughts in half an hour or so.

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Jesus, why is everyone so hasty in their votes when it’s LyLo? 4 townies to 3 scum, a mislynch + scum kill = 2:3, game over.

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Bah, I should've done a wiki on 'C9' before I posted. My mistake.

At any rate it was stupid of me to think we would start Day 1 in LyLo.

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A post entitled:

My Thoughts on Everyone, in No Particular Order”

I didn’t like Aimee’s 85. She throws FoS’s and IGMEOY’s everywhere. This way, she can BW vote almost anyone but still have something to refer to, reasons to back it up with. I appreciated the massive analysis, but those assignments really struck me as odd. If you take a look, a lot of them ask “who do you think is scum/town and why?” I wouldn’t be surprised if she was checking to make sure she’s not high on anyone’s LOS.

I was about to call Enlightened Bystander for his lurking early game, but turned out to be inactivity. Mokina comes in, and slapped down 4 FoS’s, so I suspect she’s doing what Aimee was doing (see above.)

As for Fernando, I gave him some thought, but I couldn’t conclude anything other than a townie that was uninterested in the game. What makes me unsuspicious of him is that he doesn’t just throw votes in every which way. Although I do find it scummy that he’s incessantly lurking, his intermittent posts don’t show much targeting, so he doesn’t come up very high on my list, but I’ve got my eye on him nonetheless.

On Tarhalindur:

Sharing things in mafia is a good idea.

Tarhalindur: Where's the 90& sure bit?

I will not elaborate at this time.

I hate players who do this. Don’t imply you have a secret if you’re not going to let it out. Otherwise, it just sounds like scum desperation.

Chamber is right for once- cases

are

scummy.

Unvote, Vote ryan, FoS: Albert B. Rampage, FoS: Spectrumvoid

What? That’s all you have to say? This hardly justifies the vote.

Comes out with a claim, and I must say I was surprised; I know I’m a newb, but isn’t it bad to claim Doc on D1? And it might be just me, but does anyone else find this claim a bit premature? Especially when deadline got pushed back a week?

One more thing, Tar: I didn’t really get the extermination thing, but I suppose it’s some kind of inside joke…

Barmacral’s early game was exceptionally questionable. The criticism on his refusal to random vote eventually cumulating in a random vote? That really struck me the wrong way. But it didn’t end there, oh no.

Sure. Innocent. I do hate random votes, but you asked for one, so I gave it to you.

You claimed “innocent”? You’re “random” voting because someone asks you to? Something’s definitely not right here.

I was somewhat aggrevated by some RL issues that day. My frustration led to that. Its not a cop-out, its exactly what I said it was. However, as spectrumvoid is still not here, I'm going to keep my vote on him, as I am interested in his unexplained absense.

Seems to me as though he just couldn’t bother with a decent defense.

Albert replaces in, and he plays even more weirdly. He doesn’t do any scum hunting even when called upon. (But I guess I can understand; being summer break and all, V/LA comes up a lot.) Post 277, he accuses SV of being scummy but follows up 279 with “No explanation whatsoever.” He narrows his list down to TCS, SV, and ryan for scum, but again doesn’t provide explanation except for “I’ve played pro-town so far.” Uh, no, you haven’t. Ever since you replaced you’ve been lurking, spewing up votes and useless one-liners.

To top it all off, he throws ryan onto the edge, AGAIN without sufficient reason other than an OMGUS.

FoS: Albert

Ryan- He

acts

like he's town, constantly asking questions to obtain info. Look a bit closer though, a lot of it is just extracting information from other players. I’ve seen him scum hunt in other games as townie, and there is a huge difference: the information he obtains is immensely helpful. Right away, you can tell that his scum hunting in this game is frugal at best.

I

really

didn’t like his 307 where he votes Albert. He makes that last ditch effort to salvage his own life, by jumping onto the next longest wagon. It’s exactly as Albert predicted, a last minute OMGUS vote.

FoS: Ryan

Then there’s the final exchange between Albert and ryan, but both parties’ accusations are accurate; ryan: "ABR for his lack of anything in this game but one line posts" as well as Albert: "You haven’t found shit LOL".

Fuck, the pressure right now is ridiculous. The two most likely to be scum are at L-1, I’m the only one without a vote, and deadline is in 18 hours. Though I’m leaning more toward ryan’s side because he’s drawing

some

info out at the very least, and in my book, that’s better than Albert’s contentless one-liners. If the rest of you guys don’t mind, I’d like to take a bit of time to brood over this one and maybe go for a third reread.

Post title changed to:

“Fuck, I have a dilemma on my hands.”

BTW, Happy Birthday Albert.

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Bah, unvote. I played terribly enough to be lynched today.

Ugh, that didn't help with my decision one bit. Now I

really

don't know who to vote.

@ryan: I guess I can understand that desperation vote, but I don't know. I'm still not very convinced. I'm also surprised you'd let Tar off the hook so easily. I guess I forgot to mention this in the last post, but when I first saw his claim, my intuition told me he was trying to lure the real doc into a counterclaim.

I'm not really sure I like your most recent suggestion at all, ryan. Right now, I'm absolutely certain one of you is scum. Although I do find Aimee third scummiest, she isn't in the focal point right now. Plus, we're gonna have to face this problem again eventually.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if ryan and Albert are a scum team and are playing us like a violin. Shit, all of a sudden that doesn't sound so far fetched anymore...

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I don't think that's possible, we were at each other's throats for a long time and anyone could have hammered one of us.

Don't really get what you're driving at there...

Ok this is just ridiculous. Now I'm more convinced than ever you two are scum partners, and the thought is just plain scary. If this is the case, I'd have to applause you both on playing it down so well. Having each other at L-1 so near the deadline, before switching right over and taking out Aimee? Bah, I don't know what's real anymore.

Sorry if I sound really paranoid.

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No, we aren't in LyLo so even if we lynch wrong we have a chance.
I made that mistake earlier thinking we were in LyLo coz I didn't realize there's only two scum.

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Ok you know what? F* it. I'll just do whatever, you guys lead the way.

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Alright... I guess you both seem to know what you're doing (even though Albert is stoned). And Ryan + ABR mafia does seem kinda silly.

Unvote, Vote:Fernando

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This is a hell of a lot more than I bargained for when I offered to replace

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ryan, look at it this way. If I was scum, one of you wouldn't be here right now.

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ryan, are you really townie ? your smarter than you look; you've won that game where I made that ridiculous claim, after all...and you are generally viewed as pro-town....what is your secret ?

LOL. Albert, you

ALWAYS

seem to be claiming.

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Aw man, I loved Bourne Ultimatum. One of the best movies I've seen in quite a while. But also can't wait for Saw 4 to come out.

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Oh yeah, I totally forgot about 300. Watched that twice, loved it.
Never seen fight club.

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I spent several days gathering that dirt on Miztef (if it's indeed the same game you're talking about). I was so damn sure it was him.

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West side, Vancouver.

Hi. My name is D3sisted, and I'm Vanilly Towna.

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West side, Vancouver.

Hi. My name is D3sisted, and I'm Vanilly Towna.

I believe the question was how old are you. Are you high too LOL

Lawl. I was making an official claim for ryan.

16.

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Dude, the only reason I voted Fernando is because you both seemed so sure. Are you now telling me that he might not be scum?

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If ABR claims doc, then Tar is gone.

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But if ABR claims doc, he's gone too (NK i mean.)

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I'm pretty sure you've nailed it. I will kick myself if Aimee or Fernando come out as doc or cop.

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(assuming Tar really is a doc) Cop would've claimed by now, since he knows he can get protected tonight.

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BTW, people are gonna crap when they open this thread tomorrow or whenever and see the nonsense we've spewed the last few pages.

QFT

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Well C9 means it's either 1 or 0 cops right?

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Holy crap. I read that post twice now, I didn't notice a thing.
Post number for reference, please, I have got to see this for myself.

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Unvote

What the hell is going on here?
Tarhalindur are you SURE you're doc? Ryan and Albert are you SURE you're townie?

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Oh and I'm unfamiliar with the term breadcrumb, can somone explain?

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Shit, this game is way too weird, should never have replaced in.
Right now I'm wondering if Tarhalindur could be paired up with Fernando?
It just seems to perfect, since they both are claimed roles...

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Wait, that's just stupid, a scum could do that just as easily

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i'm not really getting this breadcrumb concept

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Well, I did say I'd let you guys lead the way.

Vote: TCS

Now the question is, TCS or Aimee?

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No, but scum can plant the same seeds and later point to it, pretending to be townie

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Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. I thought we'd confirmed Aimee is scum.

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Btw, one more question about the breadcrumbing thing, what if scum notice it first and NK? Doesn't the plan completely backfire?

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It's just that breadcrumbing doesn't seem logical to me. I've seen it mentioned in other threads, but theres no wiki on it. I had no idea what it was.

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Why the hell is Tar still voting ryan? Dude?!?

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If you haven't noticed, this isn't the most opportune time to mention actors, ryan.

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Cheers.

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Once this game is done and Tar is confirmed Doc, I'm nominating his ass for an Oscar.

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You haven't found shit LOL.






(Kidding.)

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Hey d3sisted, get this. Me and Ryan were both mafia once, and then I stupidly went after Ryan, and he went back after me, and in the end, we were both modkilled. Now that's a fucking bonding experience, dontcha think ?

LOL.
I'd say it about serves you two right.

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Wait, distancing is distancing, but why were you modkilled in the first place?

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Well in that case, it's lose//lose.

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Hey d3sisted, have you decided what you wanted to be once you got older yet ? What career interests you ?

No bloody clue.

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Gee, when the three of us first switched votes and were sitting back chatting it up, do you think he was lurking the entire time?

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Let's just hope mod doesn't kill us for filling harsh 6 pages in one night.

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A lot of players on MS would do swimmingly as lawyers.

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A lot of players on MS would do swimmingly as lawyers.

Yeah but alot would also get innocent men sent to the gas chamber.

LOL. So true.

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Guaranteed I will be the first to do that.

"HEY HEY LOOK AT OPEN 27, HE MUST BE TOWNIE BECAUSE HE'S POSTING A BUNCH OF USELESS CRAP!"

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I'm pretty sure Tar is somewhere laughing his ass off at the three of us and TCS about to get lynched...

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Look at a broader chart, I think the plunge already started happening when you, me, and ryan joined.

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Well if we messed up and TCS is town than we know we have liars on mafiascum and for the love of god that can't be true can it? Ah hell, if TCS/Aimee is town I'll lynch my own damn self.

QFT.

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I will lynch myself if even TCS comes out town and the three of us were fucking wrong.

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GG TCS, it's over.
ROFL what do you want him to claim? Scum?

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Don't forget, Albert did that "give up" post, I'd take that as confirmation.

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Yeah, i got the quota thing too.

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Agreed.

Well that is weird, Tara AND TCS just disappeared at the same time..............

That is hella weird though.

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Oh man, the look on Aimee's face when she comes back to 7 pages of crap + lucky lynch target of D2.

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Dominating.

Night, all.

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Damn it all, I demand to know the fruits of our scum hunting labour! Now!

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Yeah, sorry. TCS was Mafia. It's night 1. Cop, Mafia, send in your roles. Night ends in 48 hours. Sorry. Flavor later.

Wait one fucking moment. Where's the doc?

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Alright. Though I wouldn't be surprised if Tar was VT faking claiming Doc.

Bah, we don't even need a Day 2, we already conquered this Open.

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There ya go.

Jesus, I'm hungry.

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Man, I thought that night was never going to end.

Just waitin on Fernando before I cast my vote.

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What I would be even more pissed about is if he turned out to be insane cop. THAT would throw

everything

off the charts.

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Ok what the fuck.

First of all, I didn't read the cop role that closely.

Second of all, if I was scum, I would've hammered one of you two as soon as I got here, as one of you MUST be scum at this point. I'm going to believe Fernando and the results of his investigation, so Theopor and Fernando are cleared in my mind. Albert was about to give up, and I'm pretty sure we can take that as proof that he isn't scum. Goes into WIFOM, but I'm convinced.

Ok wait one fucking second. I just had a thought here, what did ryan EVER do to prove he was town? We have nothing to go on except his word?

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Here, I found the post that reminded me of this in the first place:

[quote="Albert B. Rampage]Okay, okay. Let me explain why you're at -1, TCS. Let me walk you through our thinking.

Okay, so d3sisted thought we were at ly-lo, yet didn't hammer any of us. So we think he is town.

ryan and me, well, we're certainly not scum together, and we think of each other as invalid lynches for today.

Tar has claimed.

Fernando has breadcrumbed.

That leaves our two lucky winners, you and Aimee. Make sense ?[/quote]

Don't forget, Albert did that "give up" post, I'd take that as confirmation.

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EBWOP: forgot to preview.

Here, I found the post that reminded me of this in the first place:

Okay, okay. Let me explain why you're at -1, TCS. Let me walk you through our thinking.

Okay, so d3sisted thought we were at ly-lo, yet didn't hammer any of us. So we think he is town.

ryan and me, well, we're certainly not scum together, and we think of each other as invalid lynches for today.

Tar has claimed.

Fernando has breadcrumbed.

That leaves our two lucky winners, you and Aimee. Make sense ?

Don't forget, Albert did that "give up" post, I'd take that as confirmation.

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One of you are scum, but which, I don't know. I was convinced it should be ryan, up until Albert started spewing bullshit in that last post. I've gathered all the votes made by him and ryan in chronological order since page 15, here's what it is:

ABR: Aimee
ryan: Aimee
ABR: fernando
ryan: fernando
ABR: ryan
ABR: ryan
ryan: TCS
ABR: TCS

As you can see, ryan wasn't the one attacking different players, it was you. You led all the votes, and the only time ryan led a vote was on the actual scum, TCS.

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Dude. You're just trying to pull another "give up" post like Albert did, because you saw it worked so well for him.

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Bullshit.

In 428, you voted ryan immediately after Tar came out.

IF Tar is 100% Doc, than TCS and Aimee are the scum!

Then ryan votes TCS in 433, and you follow suit in 435.

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Yes, you could've led it against anyone you wanted it, except everyone you led it against came up town.

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6 pages ago, when you and ryan were on the edge, Albert latched onto us to collectively attack Fernando and Aimee. Now, when theopor expresses suspicion for me and ryan, ust like that Albert latches onto him. You seem pretty confident of yourself, Albert, just like you were when we almost lynched Fernando.

Funny how I've come full circle back to the same decision I had to make when I first replaced in: ryan or Albert?

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EBWOP: 10 pages ago.

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What bothers me is that Albert is planning out tomorrow's lynch (first ryan then me) as though he already knows ryan is going to come up town.

Also notice that the claims he's made can be simultaneously applicable to me and ryan (i.e. lynch one first, then the other tomorrow).

Given ryan is as town as he claims, if we lynch him, then me, we're left with 1 player: Albert. And he wins the game.

Well, here goes nothing.

Unvote; Vote: Albert B. Rampage

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And than he would have been lynched quickly because TCS we knew was scum by process of elimination.

Knowing I'm scum

it's between you and d3sisted. So I suggest he is lynched first, because I know for one thing if he isn't scum (which I doubt) than you are 100% scum. It's real simple.

Wow. I thought for sure it was Albert, then ryan goes ahead sets off with a freudian slip?

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Holy fuck, we are stupid. Why didn't we just have all three of us quote our PM's? We all get modkilled, leaving Fernando and Theopor to win the endgame.

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Wait, how is his 676 breadcrumbing?

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Bah, should've known.

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

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Well done, theopor.

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Don't be stupid. Deadline was coming due in mere hours, one of you would've died anyway. By not hammering, I had something to go back on to prove my innocence (which is exactly what I did, and it's the only reason I survived for so long). In fact, Albert, you bought into it the most.

I actually considered for quite a while redirecting TCS lynch to Aimee or Fernando. However, I ran it through some simulations and I realized that you guys would take out TCS day 2, and my attempt at misdirection would point straight at me. I had better chances this way.

I lost because I didn't realize Doc couldn't protect Cop. I assumed it was a classic C9 setup, and thus came my subsequent downfall.

Well done on that, Tar, and well done town as a whole.

/gg

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I think me and ryan would have lynched Aimee and then d3sisted, had we not gotten in our little scuffle there. We would have won either win, imo.

It's possible, but more likely Aimee then TCS.

From my perspective, it was GG when Tar pulled out the crumbing. Otherwise, we would've lynched Fernando. Upon reflection, however, I could've just lurked until deadline passed, but meh.

No hard feelings from anyone I hope, and props to Ceph of course. I learned quite a lot from this game.