Mini 1682 - Game Over

[Huntress]

Hi everyone! Just going to read up a bit.

[Huntress]

I'm VT.


How likely is it that town would have both a motion detector and a voyeur? They seem too similar to me to be on the same side, particularly in view of the fact that we also had a tracker.

The rolestopper I see as being partly negative utility for town which would fit with the larger than usual number of roles (if they are all town). I can also see it as being a scum role.

@ Annadog:

Why did you choose those two players to target?

Of course he is. "Anna results?" was pretty obvious. Wanted to remind people of her claim. Didn't question her as to conveniently checking the NK target.

I didn't see you asking that either. Or following up on her vague response to your comment.

Unvote

At the moment I'm favouring a vote on Anna but I want to recheck some stuff first, which I'll do tomorrow.

[Huntress]

@ Mod: I unvoted in 1295.

Edited votecount to reflect this.

Too bad this time you don't have a pile of derpies to sic on me for a mislynch.

what is this?

He's referring to this game.


I think we're just waiting for claims from Gypsy Girl, Metal Sonic and RadiantCowbells now.

[Huntress]

But that will only confirm roles, not alignments. The only truly confirmable one there was the Friendly Neighbour, and even that would only have been confirmed to one person per night.

[Huntress]

Why not? Anna is my only decent scumread so far, partly because of her play and partly because I can't see how her role would fit in as town.

I'm not sure what RC's playing at by not claiming yet.
Town read on whispersilk/ Persivul but there's also a possible link with RC there so I'm going to have another dig into that.
Drakced and Gypsy Girl look like newbtown.
Yuriko started off ok and MS is continuing that.
BBmolla is probably town due to his role.
Town read on havingfitz.


We're still waiting for claims from Gypsy Girl and RadiantCowbells to complete the massclaim.

[Huntress]

Voyeur fits with the motion detester as weak power role types.

But how does it fit with tracker?

So I'm thinking the reason people are voting for me at this point is because I have the moste votes and people are tired of this game. Don't give up town! If people really don't like this game, just replace out instead of voting for a town power role.

RC's vote was the only one that might apply to. The first two were placed while there were three votes on Yuriko/MS, then BBmolla's vote seems to have been a direct response to one of your posts.

... I am able to prove BBmollia's claim by watching the person they heal.

But that won't prove that you are town, or BBM either for that matter because you may both be scum.

[Huntress]

Can the three people not voting anyone please vote someone.

If I voted anyone right now it would be Anna and that would be the hammer.

I'm good with calling them both VT and if either of them claims something other tomorrow (assuming still here) their claim is ignored and they become a lynch frontrunner. Cause 7/8 town prs claimed would be even stupider.

I can go with that.

Actually, I think everyone has commented recently except for Drakced who only unvoted Anna after you asked people to wait for the claims to come in. I guess there's not much point in waiting any longer.

Vote: Annadog

[Huntress]

I don't think Gypsy Girl did

Yep, she did. In 1332 and 1336.

[Huntress]

Lean scum right now. Don't like that you were the early day wagon that didn't lead to a lynch, but everyone on your wagon is still alive so that's a little

Are you talking about the wagon that formed on BBmolla in the first 24 hours of the game then collapsed during the next 24?? Because only three of the five involved with that wagon are still alive, not everyone.

[Huntress]

I was just coming in to switch my vote on BBMolla. I think a doc and a role-stopper is too much protection against scum. Both would essentially prevent a scum kill. And I do not really care for the hammer. Seemed a bit "had to do it" "no reason not to" when you didn't have to and there was reason to hold off.

In 1350 you asked the three people not voting to vote someone. As two of the three of us had indicated our intention to vote Anna but were waiting for the massclaim to finish it shouldn't have come as a surprise to you that that was where our votes would be likely to go. In 1351 you quoted my reason for delaying and implied it wasn't necessary. Why then in 1361, after the hammer, did you change your tune and say there had been reason to hold off?

[Huntress]

That was Titus posting from a hydra account.

[Huntress]

This is the current list. The last two haven't claimed.

Updateder List

(Italicized=Dead --- Bold=Confirmed)

Motion Detector

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Slandaar

2-shot Tracker

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Salamence20

Town Neighbor

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LicketyQuickety

Vanilla Town

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FA_Q2

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Stalker/Voyuer - Annadog
Doctor - Bbmolla
Rolestopper - Drakced
Vanilla Town - havingfitz
Vanilla Town - Persivul
Vanilla Town - Metal Sonic
Vanilla Town - Huntress
??? - RadiantCowbells
??? - Gypsy Girl

[Huntress]

Just realised there was an error in that list. This is the correct version.

Motion Detector

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Slandaar

2-shot Tracker

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Salamence20

Friendly Neighbor

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LicketyQuickety

Vanilla Town

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FA_Q2

Voyuer

- Annadog
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Doctor - Bbmolla
Rolestopper - Drakced
Vanilla Town - havingfitz
Vanilla Town - Persivul
Vanilla Town - Metal Sonic
Vanilla Town - Huntress
??? - RadiantCowbells
??? - Gypsy Girl

[Huntress]

I'm thinking that BBmolla and fitz are most likely to be scum at the moment, but I don't think they're scum together, neither do I think that fitz is scum with Drakced due to fitz's joining Drak's wagon near the end of Day 2. RC isn't likely to be scum with them either, again due to the Day 2 voting. There doesn't seem to be anything voting-wise that implicates or rules out either Gypsy or Titus.

BBmolla and Drakced are either both town or one town the other scum. I don't see them claiming similar roles if both were scum.

I'm going to reread both BBm and fitz before deciding which way to go.

[Huntress]

@ BBm and RC:

If fitz and Drak were scum together then why would fitz have put Drak to L-2 near the end of Day two?

@ Gipsy:

How do you reconcile fitz and RC being scum together with their Day two voting?

[Huntress]

They may have saw that the leading wagon had enough people on it, and to take suspicion away from themselves. (And if Titus is scum, then that slot was on that wagon)

For part of that time RC

was

the leading wagon.

@ BBmolla:

Did you even look at the context of that vote before replying?


I find Titus's lack of reading recent posts disturbing.

[Huntress]

Vote: BBmolla

I'm thinking scum is BBm and Gipsy. Still pondering on the third one. Logic says maybe Titus but gut says no.

[Huntress]

I'm just pushing things a little. The only thing I'm fairly certain about at the moment is that BBm and Drak aren't both town.

[Huntress]

@ RC:

Are you saying you think both BBm and Drak are town? If so, why are you voting Drak?

@ BBm:

Yes, I'm thinking it could be RC. Fitz is an option too but less likely.

[Huntress]

Going to sleep now so I'm unvoting as I won't be around to keep an eye on this.

Unvote

[Huntress]

@ RC:

Can you answer the questions in 1469 and 1495 please.

Huntress, I assume you placed a vogte on who you thought was scum...so what do you need to keep an eye on?

I think BBm is scum but I'm not certain so I voted so that both wagons would be at L-2 and maybe tempt scum out of the woodwork. Nothing came of it so I unvoted before logging off for the night. As far as I could tell, no pair which didn't include either BBm or Drak were on at the same time.

[Huntress]

^ Titus and GG were on in pretty close proximity...hence my thinking they could not both be scum together. Individually maybe but not both.

There was no indication Gipsy was still around when Titus posted. If she'd posted again that would probably have cleared that pair.

[Huntress]

This is where I am at the moment. No change re: BBm and Drak; it's one or the other, not both and not neither. I'm pretty certain that Drak and fitz aren't partners due to fitz's vote on Drak in Day two (1067) which at that point of the Day would make no sense as a bus. The same doesn't apply to the wagon on RC as any of the votes there could have been bussing. The only two not on that wagon were Drak and Titus.

I've put my full list of possibilities below but I think it's most likely to be BBmolla, Gypsy and RC. That's mainly based on their play toDay. Titus is most likely to be town.


BBmolla/Gypsy Girl/havingfitz
BBmolla/Gypsy Girl/RadiantCowbells
BBmolla/Gypsy Girl/Titus
BBmolla/havingfitz/RadiantCowbells
BBmolla/havingfitz/Titus
BBmolla/RadiantCowbells/Titus
Drakced/Gypsy Girl/RadiantCowbells
Drakced/Gypsy Girl/Titus
Drakced/RadiantCowbells/Titus

First, Huntress, do you plan on putting your vote back on BBmolla now that you are (probably) awake or are you staying unvoting?

I'm staying unvoting for now, partly because I'm leary of the way you put this. I get a bad vibe from it.

[Huntress]

Consider my pseudo-vote to be on BBmolla.

My problem with Drak being scum is that I can't see fitz as his partner and RC is unlikely. That leaves Gipsy and Titus, and I'm reading Titus as town.

[Huntress]

Yep, we need a flip.

[Huntress]

So one person was definitely bussing; I suspect two were. Question is which two.

[Huntress]

I already claimed. I'm VT. I don't have an action, killing or otherwise.

[Huntress]

I haven't been able to look at this today but tomorrow I'm going to take another look at Day one in the light of the fact that we've now we've got a scum flip.

[Huntress]

I'm still working through Day one again but getting distracted a lot as the kids are home all day due to the holidays. I should have finished by tomorrow evening.

@ Fitz:

If you're town then I suspect that the only reason I haven't been hammered already is that Gipsy is V/LA and her partner is waiting for her to come back, unless Titus was waiting for RC to post again before voting. But from my reread so far, and your vote, I'm thinking that may not be the case, although I'm still having difficulty fitting your end of Day two play with you being scum partners with Drak.

If you're town please unvote before scum get their act together because that will be game over if they do.

[Huntress]

@huntress what are you "working" through on day 1? What are you looking for?

Inspiration. I was hoping to get some clues based on interactions with and/or concerning Drak, and also anything else that caught my eye

I've finished the reading but I'm too tired to follow it up just now.

[Huntress]

Or that you're scum waiting for a townie to jump on the wagon so that your partner can hammer? Although my best guess at the moment is Titus and Fitz.

The only thing I really have "established" today is that Titus is not scum with GG.

Where are you getting this from?

Titus is my biggest scum read so far.

Can you say why?

I would wait and see the teams imo. Vca. Pick which pair looks worse.

Looking at the wagons hasn't given me any conclusive answers. What have you got from your analysis?

[Huntress]

1) I can't be scum with Titus or GG because we could have quickhammered Huntress when Fitz voted her.
2) I can't be scum with either Fitz or Huntress because we could have quickhammered hammered Titus when GG voted her.

I am cleared.

Nope. GG wasn't around when Fitz voted me so that doesn't clear you from being scum with her. Neither Fitz nor I were around when you and GG voted Titus so you can't claim to be cleared by that either.


RC's vote has been on me long enough now that if he were town I would almost certainly have been hammered. That's good enough evidence for me that he is scum.

Vote: RadiantCowbells

[Huntress]

I've got a feeling RC is bussing again.

[Huntress]

Titus is being anti-town, but anti-town doesn't necessarily mean scum.

[Huntress]

The lack of hammer on me proved to me that you are scum, so I don't think anything I can say is going to change your stated suspicions. If you're not scum then who is? And why didn't they manage to hammer?

[Huntress]

And it's incredibly presumptuous of you, Huntress, to think that there's no way that scum wouldn't have tried to quickhammer after they tried yesterday and I used it as leverage to lynch Drakced.

Your vote was on me for five days. Are you trying to say that in all that time scum would have been scared to try to combine on a lynch? I don't think so. Which means that the second scum was waiting for a townie to add their vote to yours.

By the way, if you think that I was being presumptuous there it kinda proves that you know that I am town.

[Huntress]

I've got a long drive today so I won't be posting until the evening at the earliest but I can't see myself changing my vote as RC is the only one I'm confident is scum.

I should be able to post again before the deadline (if the wifi at the campsite is working).

[Huntress]

All three of you need to vote. What's the point of leaving it to the last minute?

[Huntress]

Titus: The reasons RC was more or less confirmed to me as scum are in 1709, 1739 and 1751. Now that you are confirmed as town it puts it beyond doubt. If I had any other case I would have made it on Day 5.

Vote: RadiantCowbells

[Huntress]

Thanks for the game, Chaos Omega!

I'm fine with the mafia PT being released.

[Huntress]

RC: Having good reads is only half the game. Working with your team is just as important if you want them to work with you.


Good game everyone!