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In post 531, Persivul wrote:In post 525, Netherspite wrote:Your defense of eventi looks interesting though. I'm now even more sure I want to see his flip for the information purpose.
I'm starting to get concerned about you. You're implying that if he flips red then I'm scummy. But, you know from my meta that as scum I wouldn't go out of my way to rescue a scum partner who got himself into heavy trouble. It would be much better scum play to scum read him and bus him.
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In post 555, Persivul wrote:In post 551, Ankamius wrote:In post 531, Persivul wrote:In post 525, Netherspite wrote:Your defense of eventi looks interesting though. I'm now even more sure I want to see his flip for the information purpose.
I'm starting to get concerned about you. You're implying that if he flips red then I'm scummy. But, you know from my meta that as scum I wouldn't go out of my way to rescue a scum partner who got himself into heavy trouble. It would be much better scum play to scum read him and bus him.
This post bugs me to no end.
Why?
It's self-meta that would be trivial to subvert. I can't tell yet whether it's a vague attempt to avoid suspicion or a white knight yet though.-
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In post 556, Persivul wrote:In post 552, Ankamius wrote:Actually, I read through Persivul's posts throughout the last few pages and all of them look hollow. It's really disconcerting.
If you want to see something hollow, read your own ISO. You can do so in about 20 seconds.
Very funny.
It's easy to look hollow when you're on a tablet for most of your posts. It's much harder to look this hollow when you're posting as much as you do.-
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In post 560, Persivul wrote:In post 558, Ankamius wrote:
It's self-meta that would be trivial to subvert. I can't tell yet whether it's a vague attempt to avoid suspicion or a white knight yet though.
I agree that self-meta is worthless, but I directed this to nether, who has acknowledged that he's using meta analysis on me. He hasn't disputed it, and I doubt he will. He modded a game in which I replaced in as scum, and lynched my partners on D2 and D3, but then went on to win.
In post 568, Persivul wrote:OK, meta can be used to attack someone, but that person cannot dispute that attack. Got it.
The issue is scope. The situation you brought up is exactly that, one you brought up. Nether hadn't said anything about you bussing until you made your post. You're trying to discredit a point by lowering the scope and arguing from that scope with a point that is inherently null the moment you point it out. Then, when you get challenged on it, you try to discredit them too.
I suddenly feel a lot better about a Persivul lynch tomorrow.-
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In post 648, duppin wrote:Okay, let us assume TheDominator is town.
How often does 3 townies d2 instantly vote on another town?
Let's take this forward another step.
What exactly are scum doing while this is going on?-
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Starting at day start and putting my notes as I read.
#631 pistachi0n - Not liking the reluctance to follow through here.
#632 All Alone - Something about this post really bugs me.
Alchemist's vote on Dom looks townish. RC's is basically null to me.
#636 Netherspite - Yeah, you need to explain why Dom is scum ASAP. In your own words, please, not anyone else's.
Enough with the meta. Seriously. Stop. If that's basically the best you can do for a case, then you essentially don't have a case. Meta is something you use to back up already scummy behavior.
#641 Duppin - This slot is town.
#659 Persivul - Ok, no. This post singlehandedly makes me more certain that the dominant wagon today is on town. The second sentence is a stretch of the first, and the conclusion is a really odd statement to make. If you're town this game, then your biggest fallacy is assuming that scummy == scum.
#665 moi -Please respond to this question, Duppin.
#666 Alchemist - RC can definitely fake stuff like this. Don't put too much stock in it.
#667 Duppin - This is a really odd self-contradictory post. Not convinced it's scum-contradictory, but good to keep in mind for later.
#669 Persivul - STOP. Surface-level meta is literally the worst possible thing you can do to try to scumhunt. It's very weak (evidenced by your conclusion, which is a stretch by itself) and trivial to manipulate.
#670 pistachi0n - nononononoNONONONONO. He's fully aware of that meta and it wouldn't be difficult to subvert the 'always bus scumbuddies' point, especially on day one. It's completely dead null the moment they're aware of it.
Page 29 is just two sides completely talking past each other. Nothing of use here, really.
#727 Persivul - Can you go into why you chose this time to vote Dom please?-
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Basically, Duppin is the most sane person here right now. Pistachi0n is misguided town. Persivul is just scum. Netherspite is someone who is both independently scummy and has enough associative tells with Persivul to link them together.
Everyone else is basically non-existent, although that's more because of how much a few players have drowned out the game than actual lurking.-
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post 745, Ankamius"]The difference is that information lynches is Nether's entire goal on day one.[/quote]
Wrong.
I just said that I'll prefer a lynch on my scumread that will provide information over the one that will not.
I will also prefer a lynch on my townread that will provide information over a lynch on my townread that will not.
I never said I'd just lynch town over scum just because it'll provide information.[/quote]
The bolded is very interesting when you consider that you posted your willingness to die if it would provide information, despite the fact that you know it would end in a town lynch.-
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In post 750, Persivul wrote:In post 748, Ankamius wrote:You do realize that I replaced in the same day you did, right?
Yes, and I also know that I have 72 posts, mod has 25, and you have 24.
Now that I have more posts than the mod, are you suddenly going to start taking me seriously?-
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In post 772, Persivul wrote:Looking for scum in today's dom wagon instead of yesterday's eventi wagon is the most backward thinking I've seen in a while.
Assume Dominator is town for a minute. Is this still true?-
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In post 775, Persivul wrote:Why would i assume dom is town? I find it suspicious to start out with such an assumption. And yes it's still true...townies putting a d2 wagon on d1 obvscum is not at all unusual. I find duppins position very suspicious and its also interesting that thesp endorsed it
In post 779, Netherspite wrote:In post 774, Ankamius wrote:In post 772, Persivul wrote:Looking for scum in today's dom wagon instead of yesterday's eventi wagon is the most backward thinking I've seen in a while.
Assume Dominator is town for a minute. Is this still true?
The difference is witheventiwe don't need to assume anything, we know his flip.
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In post 790, Persivul wrote:In post 789, Ankamius wrote:The point of assuming Dominator is town for this exercise is because it forces you out of your situational tunnel vision. You're so set on thinking of it this one way and the infuriating part is that it's not even scummy since I can easily see it being a playstyle thing.
You apparently missed this part: "And yes it's still true...townies putting a d2 wagon on d1 obvscum is not at all unusual."
No, I didn't miss it. That post proves my point more because you're basically saying you can't see Dom being town at all.-
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In post 917, Alchemist21 wrote:Half of me really wants to vote Pistachion for that recent bit, but the other half of me can't think of why it would actually come from scum.
If she's buddying me she was still defending me regardless of when she said I looked strong vs I was doing more scumhunting. It doesn't look like she's using it as a reason to push Thesp or Dom either (well, maybe Thesp to a small extent, but in the context here, I don't really see it).
Either in 2 hours she actually forgot her specific wording or she's purposefully trying to be confrontational with Dom, and the latter reason would be the only one that would mean she's scum.
It's really difficult to see Alchemist as scum after this post.-
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I'm struggling to make sense of the current voting patterns based on my reads. Thesp is more likely town just from the wagon on him and from the fact that I still can't figure out what he did to make him the biggest wagon right now. I can wrap my head around the Alchemist wagon kind of, and it looks like a misdirected town effort.
The problem is that I'm getting a big sense that the Persivul wagon is being scum-resisted, which doesn't feel right with two town wagons that are about as big as it. I could see Thesp being heavily scum-motivated and Alchemist is just being wagoned by town, but I'm really wary of assuming the scumteam would make a risk like this so early on in the game without enough info to support it being likely.-
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In post 939, davesaz wrote:In post 933, Ankamius wrote:I'm also rapidly realizing that I've been glancing over davesaz's posts every time he's posted since I replaced in and not once have I gotten a town feeling from any of them.
I'm one of those people who fully understands that we have two ears and one mouth for a reason. If you're looking for brash confrontation or baseless speculation, this would explain why it's missing. If what you're not seeing is something else, it would help me to read you if I knew what your criteria is.
My gut.-
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In post 1018, TheDominator37 wrote:The push on eventi, trying to push on me and then acting like that was nothing
Can you provide post numbers (and roughly where in the post as applicable) to substantiate your statements?-
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The main thing that's bugging me about RC is the way he's been interacting me throughout the game. I wouldn't put it past him to have more a gameplan of pushing the scumteam to be in a good spot and seeing where the mislynches fall rather than trying to push one outright, and the way he's been mentioning me today is really awkward when you pay attention to it. Compound this by the fact that we've been sort of synced throughout the game with our only real interactions being him trying to get me to vote the person I'm already voting shortly after I replaced in.
The main thing that bugs me is that he was throwing a subtle suspicion my way right before you posted your case, then completely ignored it as it was happening. This syncs since he knows I operate better under pressure-
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