Mini 1720 Number Mafia | Endgame snuggles

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Claim: VT

Will flirt for reads.

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Seems apt given his relation to the other players in the game. Decidedly null.

Basically I expect this game to be very very clique based.

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She's a duck, she'll dive when she's ready.

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lala bloc with you, me, dv.

Vote: BBT

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Vote first, think about it later.

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It's scummy because he is purposefully setting low expectations - which means he won't be contributing much, which means it's harder to catch him if he's scum.

He is by far and away the scummiest player in this game so far and deserves some votes.

DRK poked me?

I regularly don't contribute much. :/

@lala: Why are you against laying the vote down?

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I like how the prediction that BBT would get annoyed is coming true from the outset.

lala, will you vote BBT if I tell you how pretty you are? Because I can actually back that statement up.

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mtd lays down the law.

Are you town?

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@MTD: I refuse to die until I have flirted with everyone. So buck up best boy. Mollie started it.

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@MTD: I refuse to die until I have flirted with everyone. So buck up best boy. Mollie started it.

meh that sucks.

tbf, I would have been wagoned for once people consider the banter that happened yesterday before roles went out.

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There it is...the delayed vote.

How scummy.

Lets not forget you arguing her in to a position of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Then not leaving any room for benefit if the doubt. bc that is a scum minded trap.

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I'm just trying to make bbt mad. I maintain that it will make him easier to read.

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have you looked at any of the people's metas in this game? just curious because of your sig ya know

LOL. No.

Lets not forget you arguing her in to a position of damned if you do, damned if you don't. Then not leaving any room for benefit if the doubt. bc that is a scum minded trap.

This is getting interesting now.

What you're doing here is misrepping me. Had Ducks voted me when she expressed her disliking of my posts, I would have had no problem with the vote. I quite clearly asked her to make her mind up.

However, she didn't. What she DID do is wait to see what the reaction was to her pushing me, and

then

she voted. This is scummy.

Your misrepping is scummier though. Here, have a vote;

VOTE: Esp

See the issue is that you and I both know you would have pushed on her if she hadn't voted you either. Because then it would have been her avoiding the situationally scummy action of voting you at this time. So yeah, gonna argue to the hills here that this isn't a misrep and you're just being a scumbutt.

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Ok, then why did you make out like the end result was scummy in and of itself if she had already secured the scumread from you?

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idk man, is it a real claim? And no, claiming early isn't terrible. Even if there isn't a reason like there is here.

Think of it as me investing in my future and backing my own play.

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idk man, is it a real claim? And no, claiming early isn't terrible. Even if there isn't a reason like there is here.

Think of it as me investing in my future and backing my own play.

How am I supposed to know if it's real? That's why I asked. This is my first non-noob game on this site so wasn't sure if there was some kind of VT claim trope or something. So I'll take it as a real claim till I hear otherwise.

In which case, please explain to me how it's not terrible. Scum is looking for PRs right? If you claim vanilla as town, you cross a name off that list. What town benefit is there to making an early VT claim like that?

Yes it's a real claim.
Yes scum would want to look for PRs.
I want to ensure my night phase safety.
I claim vt, scum don't kill me. This gives me a lot of freedom in my day play. Of course if more than one person did this, then we'd be getting in to a bit of weird territory with decent chances of hitting PRs with the kill much more than previously.

I'm just cocky basically.

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I asked lala to vote with me because I wanted a snappish wagon, so I figured a voting bloc of the aussies might be a decent way to make it happen.

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Not contributing =/= not thinking I'm top shit.

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I am so glad LAL isn't a thing any more. Even if it was only for the sake of wifom.

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bc currently there is a nice bit of sneaky wifom at play. But you seem to be very determined to lay it all out.

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The motivation which you can take or leave, is that it keeps me from being NKed.

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Mod: Teach us how to factorise

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Espe! I've kinda read up while I was at work - wanna a) flirt with me and b) tell me what's going on?

Well lovely, bbt is probs scum for talking lala in to a lose-lose situation when she really wasn't being that bad. I claimed vt, people don't understand the wifom such an action creates. Anti thinks there's too many scum. And you're still wonderful. That's about all that has happened that is interesting. Oh and MTD is town.

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MTD is town for laying down the law. So like imagine that the game is you, and MTD is me, and you've been naughty.

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espy, read on dv?

yeano

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srs tho mtd is town bc townie motivation. I am putting bias on that I didn't expect his to come out of the gate and start padding against the flow but it's still good posting. Strongest town read. Mollie is looking good.

Thinking on dv a little more, so like an extra minute or two. He seems much more relaxed than when he was defending me as scum in team mafia. It's not much, but enough to be thrown on the town pile for now.

Also people do need to realise that buddying is as much a scumhunting tool as anything else. When an argument makes both sides look bad, taking a side controversially shakes things up and causes some amount of missplay sometimes.

On an unrelated note, I have some pocket town reads, but they need development time.

@DRK: I am not as shallow as you think. And I am romantically inclined to different users than the people in this thread, sans DV.

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@Mod: That is so cool. I knew there had to be a trick but I never would have thought of adding and subtracting to create a situation where you can remove a digit.

<3

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Jar Jar's above post has tweaked my psychology meter on DRK. Will probably have an in depth look at word use in regards to play mentality. This is really rare to happen, but it's my most reliable way of reading people and has yet to be wrong. Hopefully I can get something conclusive.

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Someone should hold me to things when I say I'll do them, I rarely see things through and probably should more often.

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Good news is that I currently have four strong town reads. Sifting through the rest is the goal. BBT is looking a bit better, annoyance from his is expected due to playstyle so I'm not sure what I'm using in my head as follow up reasoning is going to hold.

I also have many precedents for claiming early, some of them have been good. Seeing as it was still getting some chatter. I'll come clean. I will claim properly if I'm getting strung up. But I want to have the ability to go ham on things and if I'm right actually have a shot of sticking around. I feel it frees up my play to do outrageous low percentage things that if correct would clear me by associative. Couple that with thinking I am actually going to be good this game and I think that the claim is fine, and should be null on people's reads of me.

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I feel like MTD voted me because he thinks I tried to shift attention with putting the read as an addendum at the end of my post. Which is fair. Motivation was to try and get people talking about town reads as we have had many exchanges that have left everyone looking scummier for it.

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No they don't.

One talks about perceptions and the other talks post my confirmation.

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There's a reason you need to ask.

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No they don't.

One talks about perceptions and the other talks post my confirmation.

I don't see how this relates to what I asked at all. Why does DRK think you'd make a great compromise lynch?

bc town should lynch someone and best off it not being a PR.

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Yo mama so fat, when she jumped off golden gate she caused a tsunami in Australia.

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Big wave, not as big as your mama, but still big.

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bruh, I wish I was that flexible.

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@ducks: I was out last night, drunk posted a bit on different websites, then fell asleep. Like it's been less than two days since my last post. Y'all posting so much time is warped for you.

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<- is behind

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Had shaky access last few days so I am not up to date.

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LESS TALKY MORE LYNCHY

Vote: Wanderer

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Fucking beat me by like 3 seconds.

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I was also p out of it day 2.

Vote: BBT

Lets go.

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mtd are you in this game? who is scums?

bella why don't you wanna help us get rid of bubbly? do you think he's town??

drk halp!!

Lets lynch one of these Lurkers please!

Ok lets talk about this line for a moment.

1. How is this productive?
2. If it's not productive (hint: it isn't) then what is the pro town mentality behind saying it?
3. If there is no pro town mentality (hint: there isn't) then why is the person saying it not scum?

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Why should it be considered?

Ok then, let me put it this way. Say half the game is lurking, you will determine a lurker to lynch first. You do this through scumhunting of the content they have posted. Ergo you lynched them because they were most scum, not because they were lurkers.

So, if it's not productive and not pro town to state, then why is the person stating it not scum?

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Unvote, Vote: Jar Jar

Lets roll.

fucking hell mate, second time you ninja me, this time it was important.

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Esp, your scum read on me is super stale.

Let's talk about it.

Placeholder?

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And he did something on par with claiming scum.

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Why are people scared of rogue elements?

Why am I not on the list when I had I think two post total yesterday?

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he wants to lynch lurkers so he's scum??

yes

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Why should it be considered?

Ok then, let me put it this way. Say half the game is lurking, you will determine a lurker to lynch first. You do this through scumhunting of the content they have posted. Ergo you lynched them because they were most scum, not because they were lurkers.

So, if it's not productive and not pro town to state, then why is the person stating it not scum?

If half the game is lurking, town's gonna lose. nothing u can do about that.

Lemme turn the question around. What if half the game is lurking and all the scummies are in the group of lurkers?

You lynch the scummy ones

How does the town win if they listen to ur horrible advice?

They lynch the scummy ones

Like if I was scum right now, I'd have the biggest mafia boner reading what you wrote here. Why would scum EVER stop lurking if you're flat out telling them that you wont lynch them if they don't post?

This ignores the fact that reading lurkers is a skill that many players have and should learn if they don't have it given the current site meta.

responses in bold.

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Esp, your scum read on me is super stale.

Let's talk about it.

Placeholder?

Say what now?

shrug

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You do this through scumhunting of the content they have posted.

And I'm not saying that we shouldn't read the content of their posts. Not sure where ur getting that from.

Lynching Lurkers <> Lynching a Lurker because they are lurking and not taking any other reason into account.

Plus you snipped my post where I gave additional reasons beyond the hardcore lurking.

They're scummy for other reasons.

But lurking is for sure one of em.

Then use that and we'd have no problem. Lurking isn't a scumtell. Never has been.

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You can pull reads from any number of posts greater than zero.

They don't get a free ticket through lurking, they get held accountable for the posts they have made. If anything a smaller sample size means that they are more likely to be mislynched. Which makes it a personal liability for them.

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Why froggy and DRK?

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the votecount

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If I had something I wouldn't be asking.

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Sorry

Lets get this going

Unvote, Vote: BBT

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Soz, had State finals (came 3rd) followed by getting absolutely plastered.

So a bit out of it but this deserves my attention.

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I am VT, popcorn to duckie.

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ty for game

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Yeah conftown for liek the first time eva.

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Tbf, I lost all credibility just as I worked out the team in that open game.

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They don't count. Sorry Ploti.