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In post 11, ICEninja wrote:Vote: Syndesisfor obvious reasons.
Alright so I like to start things off with a couple housekeeping things that I'd appreciate if people respond to. It may or may not help find scum, but it makes the game easier for me and possibly others to follow.
1) Is anyone in a non-American time zone, or for other reasons posts in odd hours?
2) Is anyone here brand new or otherwise unfamiliar with how the game is played here at mafiascum.net?
3) What kind of level of activity should we expect from you?
To respond to my own questions I live in Pacific time, but my sleep schedule has been awkward lately so I might post later than one would expect from a west coaster. I'm quite experienced (30ish games?) but haven't played in like a year and a half when my games kept getting ruined by site downtime. I have more free time than I should right now (thus coming back to Mafia!) and I'll likely be quite active.
1) East Coast US time zone
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I can tell this is going to be a high-volume-post game.
Early readthrough reads that are more or less gut:
Town:
Fire
Garmr
Iceninja
Synd (obviously)
Wanderer
Scum:
3dice
Archmage
Davsto (maybe)
Anyone else I have no read on right now. I'll take another look at some of these slots later on to look at them from a more logical perspective, but for now I'm comfortable with this.
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In post 244, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:In post 243, Alchemist21 wrote:I can tell this is going to be a high-volume-post game.
Anyone else I have no read on right now. I'll take another look at some of these slots later on to look at them from a more logical perspective, but for now I'm comfortable with this.
VOTE: 3dicerolling
Tell me more about your vote?
He was the first one I had a gut read on, and I'd say it's slightly stronger than the one on you.-
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I actually kinda like Dave's point there, but I do think scum are generally more careful with their early arguments. Doing something scummy in the hopes that scum jump on it is a play I've seen from Town multiple times before (see Slayer's Gambit). It also usually comes from newer players as well though.
Ice falls a little imo, but stays in Town range. I think Dave just went up into very slight Town range.-
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In post 263, Firebringer wrote:Fair enough.
I was scum reading your slot a bit, so I would like more interaction with you.
What are your current reads? Mine still stand from the list I posted with the exception that Davsto is now Town.
P.S. As a total aside I totally would have discussed strat with you in that game but BBT messed up sending the PM.-
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In post 273, Firebringer wrote:Interesting you asked why I thought Mario was scum, instead of asking why I thought your slot was scum.
Very interesting.
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Theory related stuff: I don't think there's much wrong with Garmr's idea beyond it's too early. Townhunting is a legit strategy, and townblocing is just an extension of multiple people using that method in cohesion. I think players can Townhunt from the very start of the game, but a bloc shouldn't be organized until later in the game because of the generally lower accuracy of earlier reads and it gives scum a guideline of who to kill.[/Theory]
Does anyone think it's impossible for pistachion and archmage to be scum together? I think pistachion's post could have been made towards Arch regardless of Arch's alignment (it could be bussing just as easily as jumping on a Town counterwagon). Frankly I could lynch either one at this point and don't care which is first.-
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In post 424, Scorpious wrote:Damn,Alch.. Why?
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I have to re-read you now.. That post was so uneeded
I think it was needed. They're arguing the same points back and forth and the argument is doing nothing for us anymore.-
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In post 550, 3dicerolling wrote:As long as it isn't as creepy as the halloween one.
Did you ever see the Santa Boss from SAO?
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I'm actually leaning Town on Pistachion after Dav flipped scum. She was voting with Dav EoD and I don't think scum would be voting together in a CW D1 like they did.
I think Garmr, Pist, Archmage, and Scorpious (to a lesser extent) all come across as Town from Dav's flip.
I'm thinking AA and MM are scum. All Alone because of how he was hungup on Pistachion for a lot of D1, and Mario because of a combination of Fire's opinion of him and the fact that he didn't show frustration about the Dav wagon before the hammer, but showed quite a bit after the hammer.
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In post 563, Alchemist21 wrote:I'm actually leaning Town on Pistachion after Dav flipped scum. She was voting with Dav EoD and I don't think scum would be voting together in a CW D1 like they did.
I think Garmr, Pist, Archmage, and Scorpious (to a lesser extent) all come across as Town from Dav's flip.
I'm thinking AA and MM are scum. All Alone because of how he was hungup on Pistachion for a lot of D1, and Mario because of a combination of Fire's opinion of him and the fact that he didn't show frustration about the Dav wagon before the hammer, but showed quite a bit after the hammer.
VOTE: MarioManiac
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This is Mario about the Dav wagon before the hammer:
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This is him about the wagon after the hammer:
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Again, I think he's showing more frustration after the hammer than before, and I think that's because he thought if he rallied hard against a Dav wagon before he'd get flak for it but if he did it after the hammer he'd get people to think he seriously wanted a different wagon.-
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In post 603, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 602, Alchemist21 wrote:@3dice; I think it points to Mario scum because Mario thought he'd get scumread for aggressively defending his buddy from the lynch, but if he did it after it was too late for it to change anything he'd look more genuine. Basically, I think he was putting on a few airs after Dav was hammered.
This makes more sense. Can you elaborate more on your pistacion town read? The way I see it is, Pistacion was playing pretty conservatively, not posting much content at all. When garmr starts hard pushing davsto, she slips in with a vote on garmr. The timing of it all seems too coincidental to be a town pistacion.
I think she's Townbecauseshe and Dav were voting together. It's not good scumplay to tie your votes together on D1, and it's especially poor if one of them is going down. This is strengthened by Dav voting Garmr after Pistachion did. He was the one going down, so I would expect he'd be the one to be thinking about not tying the votes together.
It could be a knee-jerk defense combined with bad scumplay, but I like to give people more credit than that.-
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In post 638, Scorpious wrote:3d- very logical thought progression. I don't read as scum.
Alchemist-I like how he seems to be asking questions and being open about answers. IT don't get the vibe he is asking his questions with the intent of slamming someone on their answer. Town
All alone-not enough for me to feel anything.The only indicative thingcouldbe activity,or lack thereof. I used to use activity as a read.was always wrong. null
Dav-DEADSCUM
Fire--Where did he go?
Garmr-been scum with him before..Not seeing the same play.Town
ICEninja-really pinged me when he started pushing me on something insignificant. Scum lean
mm4-been reading scum since the game started,.
pistachio- loos like an easy mislynch.. null-town
Syn-I know IC sucks
Archamage-been wary ever since that first "forced" read wall. lean scum
Wanderer-logical progression on me hammering.. Town
these are abridged.. ask for any clarification..
Is 3dice a nullread or a Townread for you? If it's a Townread could you explain that some more?-
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In post 680, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:In post 674, All Alone wrote:In post 663, Wanderer-nl wrote:All Alone, I would appreciate if you could expand your view to like beyond Pistache. You don't engage with others about their reads on Pistache, you don't seem to be scumhunting, just pushing the one target. What doesit meanto you that a lot of players are actually townreading her?
That's why I keep reading her, either to see if there's a town motive from her that I've overlooked, or if I can find enough evidence of her having a scum motive to actually push her lynch through. I've tried everything I know and haven't found either, and I honestly really don't know what else I can do here.
In post 666, Scorpious wrote:In post 658, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:@Scorpius, once again, I'd really like to know why you chose to hammer fifteen minutes after intent.
IDK, seemed like the right thing to do..
VOTE: Scorpious
Iseriouslydoubt a townie would hammer and not know why. Townies have to think about the alignments of the players they're voting, so when they've made the decision to hammer they've almost certainly got a good reason for it. This reads like Scorpious already knew Davsto was scum, and thus didn't have to think about it.
Davsto/pistachi0n/Scorpious. Calling it now.
I agree one hundred percent that most likely scum team at this point is pistach and Scorp. Intent to vote Scorp.
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Fire's always been the N1 kill in every one of his Town game I've been in with him, and tbh I've never really understood why he was killed any of those times. My best guess is that scum tend to consider him a safe kill. Trying to figure out the kill this early in the game just creates a lot of speculation that opens itself up to wifom, especially if there wasn't much of a reason for the kill in the first place.-
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In post 787, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:In post 784, Alchemist21 wrote:VOTE: All Alone
Scorp has gone from mild Town to null for me. I want to see how they play today to try and get a more solid read on them.
How does that line of reasoning justify a vote on All Alone?
My AA vote is carryover from yesterday.-
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A game like this only has 3 scum. Try again.
In post 794, Scorpious wrote:A good try by Scum.. "We can't kill him at night,so we gotta make sure he's lynched"
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Considering the current wagon (which I mostly like) I'd probably think AA Townier if scorp flips scum, but not on the level of clearing AA for it. ICE is already clear imo.
I'd have to ISO scorp to see who the potential partner could be, and there's also a chance that he's been playing in a way to prevent giving a lot of info to the Town if he dies.-
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I will say this. If the first 2 kills were the 2 players that talked about forming a Townbloc, then scum might be worried about the Town forming a larger bloc and PoE'ing them. Maybe we should try to focus on Townreads and try to get a strong bloc going, especially if Scorpious flips scum.
We have 9 alive right now. If we can get a bloc of 5 Townies and PoE the rest, then it would work. So I think everyone should make a list of players they would bloc with and see if we can get a consensus going.
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In post 880, Syndesis wrote:@Scorpious: So, in a nutshell, confbias.ok then
In post 879, pistachi0n wrote:So does anyone have a role to counteract a commuter...?
1. Really??
2. What counteracts a commuter?
The only thing I can think of would be a Dayvig.-
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In post 890, Wanderer-nl wrote:Alchemist: You addressed me to post my townbloc, but you didn't ask others that didn't post theirs. What's up with that?
You were the first one I noticed who didn't post one (I completely missed ICE's refusal at first), and since you didn't outright refuse I wondered if you had just missed it or were refusing. I wasn't really keeping track of who had already posted a list and just thought everyone would respond soon enough, but then the convo seemed to have drifted away from it and now people are wanting to end the Day. I counted this morning and saw 5 players had posted a list, and I'm guessing the other 4 are against it (ICE definitely is).
If nobody else is going to post a list then I'll hammer.-
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In post 918, ICEninja wrote:So...anybody know any good jokes?
If Abbot and Costello were in Dr. Who-
Abbot: Hello. I'm the Doctor.
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In post 773, ICEninja wrote:3dice wrote:
Your only two reads are the mod confirmed innocent child and the second best wagon from yesterday?
Excuse me, it was the best wagon yesterday. Scum convinced people it was the second best. And obviously I have reads, but aside from those two it's pretty much a sliding scale from slightly leaning town to slightly leaning scum.
Alchemist and Wanderer were both on the town wagon and not on the scum wagon. Pistachi0n and All Alone seem...alright. Archmage still felt like the VI lynchbait. You (3dice) I'm having a hard time reading. Some things suggest town, some things suggest scum.
Nothing is particularly concrete, and being as confident as I am about Scorpious, I really don't see much reason to make a case for anyone else at the moment.
Let's just say this for now, in this scale:
Wont vote today:
Syndesis
All Alone
pistachi0n
Archmage
Probably won't vote today:
3dice
Will take some serious convincing to get me to vote today:
Alchemist
Wanderer
Will probably be voting for the duration of today:
Scorpious
Consider that, with the exception of the first and last, a very weak sliding scale of town to scum reads right now. Tomorrow, who knows. I'll probably have to go back to reading the game thoroughly to find scum.
Vote Scorpious.
In post 775, ICEninja wrote:Actually how about we toss Archmage in to the "probably won't vote today" instead of "won't vote today".
In post 773, ICEninja wrote:3dice wrote:
Your only two reads are the mod confirmed innocent child and the second best wagon from yesterday?
Excuse me, it was the best wagon yesterday. Scum convinced people it was the second best. And obviously I have reads, but aside from those two it's pretty much a sliding scale from slightly leaning town to slightly leaning scum.
Alchemist and Wanderer were both on the town wagon and not on the scum wagon. Pistachi0n and All Alone seem...alright. Archmage still felt like the VI lynchbait. You (3dice) I'm having a hard time reading. Some things suggest town, some things suggest scum.
Nothing is particularly concrete, and being as confident as I am about Scorpious, I really don't see much reason to make a case for anyone else at the moment.
Let's just say this for now, in this scale:
Wont vote today:
Syndesis
All Alone
pistachi0n
Archmage
Probably won't vote today:
3dice
Will take some serious convincing to get me to vote today:
Alchemist
Wanderer
Will probably be voting for the duration of today:
Scorpious
Consider that, with the exception of the first and last, a very weak sliding scale of town to scum reads right now. Tomorrow, who knows. I'll probably have to go back to reading the game thoroughly to find scum.
Vote Scorpious.
In post 775, ICEninja wrote:Actually how about we toss Archmage in to the "probably won't vote today" instead of "won't vote today".
Going back through ICE's ISO, I think it's a safe bet AA and Pistachion were his investigations. There's an off chance Garmr was the N1 check, but his posts about Pistachion makes me think she was definitely a check, and his speculation that AA was more likely scum if Pistachion was Town would have made AA a good investigation target if Pistachion was the N1 check.-
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