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In post 28, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:In post 25, ICEninja wrote:
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ICEninja is acting weird. I'm not sure I like "EASY RVS GUISE --> Oh I guess you're town let's vote for someone else I guess..."
There'd be nothing wrong with this as a page 1 case if a vote followed it. Without a vote, it feels like you're giving yourself clearance to hop on an ICEwagon should it form. Slightly scummy.
Or, maybe I'm just pointing out that it's a bit weird for you to have such a strong opinion:
ICEninja wrote:Welp, that was an easy RVS.
Then go, "Aha, it was part of my plan all along," and changing your vote.
ICEninja wrote:No, I read it correctly. I was hoping you'd unvote or attack me in another way in order to attempt to cement your vote but alas you're more likely town based on that response alone.
Unvote.
Garmr seemed excited that he knew who would be confirmed town. Maybe that excitement came from already having a solid N1 target?
Vote Garmr.
I don't have to vote to say that. I'm not a fan of voting so early in the game, with so little to work on.
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In post 35, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:In post 33, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 28, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:In post 25, ICEninja wrote:
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ICEninja is acting weird. I'm not sure I like "EASY RVS GUISE --> Oh I guess you're town let's vote for someone else I guess..."
There'd be nothing wrong with this as a page 1 case if a vote followed it. Without a vote, it feels like you're giving yourself clearance to hop on an ICEwagon should it form. Slightly scummy.
Or, maybe I'm just pointing out that it's a bit weird for you to have such a strong opinion:
ICEninja wrote:Welp, that was an easy RVS.
Then go, "Aha, it was part of my plan all along," and changing your vote.
ICEninja wrote:No, I read it correctly. I was hoping you'd unvote or attack me in another way in order to attempt to cement your vote but alas you're more likely town based on that response alone.
Unvote.
Garmr seemed excited that he knew who would be confirmed town. Maybe that excitement came from already having a solid N1 target?
Vote Garmr.
I don't have to vote to say that. I'm not a fan of voting so early in the game, with so little to work on.
I mean, nobody has much to work on at this point. Why not put a vote out there?
I'd rather ask "why" than "why not." I err (probably excessively) to the side of caution on lynches. At this point, I've kind of just integrated "excessive day one caution" into my playstyle.
One of the things I do remember from my town experience is that it's important to put down votes early because VCA are very useful later games. Even if the votes are just for pressure or something.-
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In post 38, Firebringer wrote:In post 36, ICEninja wrote:Syndesis it's a perfectly fine thing that everyone looks like scum right now. Honestly it's way worse when everyone is looking super town or hasn't yet posted content.
It is par for the course for me to have a number of votes on me this early due to my tendency to make excessively aggressive moves early on.
My wagon seems to be a good place to potentially look for scum as (at a quick recall, I'm on mobile atm and would be a pain to confirm) my wagon has the most activity so far.
I already feel like fire's initial reaction is more town than scum, though I think twice I've seen someone dislike the second vote on me without explaining why. Could one of you expand on what specifically bugged you?
I think they think it was because it seemed opportunistic?
Anyways, I don't know what to think of you, I guess you want to move us out of RVS?
Could be town, unsure.
UNVOTE: Iceninja
UNVOTE: MarioManiac4
VOTE: Firebringer
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In post 48, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:In post 46, 3dicerolling wrote:
One of the things I do remember from my town experience is that it's important to put down votes early because VCA are very useful later games. Even if the votes are just for pressure or something.
I didn't find VCA on the acronyms page of the wiki, could you clarify?
Why is it "from your town experience," specifically? Does your scum experience say something different?
VCA is Vote Count Analysis. It's when you get a bit into the game and you back and plug in who flipped what and see who was on what wagon.
Because as town I like to have people place there votes, so later I can come back and analyze it. If scum don't vote early you can't really pin them on any wagon, hence me encouraging you to vote.-
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In post 50, MarioManiac4 wrote:In post 49, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 48, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:In post 46, 3dicerolling wrote:
One of the things I do remember from my town experience is that it's important to put down votes early because VCA are very useful later games. Even if the votes are just for pressure or something.
I didn't find VCA on the acronyms page of the wiki, could you clarify?
Why is it "from your town experience," specifically? Does your scum experience say something different?
VCA is Vote Count Analysis. It's when you get a bit into the game and you back and plug in who flipped what and see who was on what wagon.
Because as town I like to have people place there votes, so later I can come back and analyze it. If scum don't vote early you can't really pin them on any wagon, hence me encouraging you to vote.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1317
Guess who the scum was here, 3dicerolling?
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In post 52, MarioManiac4 wrote:In post 51, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 50, MarioManiac4 wrote:In post 49, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 48, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:In post 46, 3dicerolling wrote:
One of the things I do remember from my town experience is that it's important to put down votes early because VCA are very useful later games. Even if the votes are just for pressure or something.
I didn't find VCA on the acronyms page of the wiki, could you clarify?
Why is it "from your town experience," specifically? Does your scum experience say something different?
VCA is Vote Count Analysis. It's when you get a bit into the game and you back and plug in who flipped what and see who was on what wagon.
Because as town I like to have people place there votes, so later I can come back and analyze it. If scum don't vote early you can't really pin them on any wagon, hence me encouraging you to vote.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1317
Guess who the scum was here, 3dicerolling?
I said it's something I like to do as town, scum do fake it sometimes though.
That wasn't the point! Luna Fox was a townie!
"the only thing i figured out from that was that diego's town."
And Diego was scum!
I can't really say much because I haven't read that game and don't know the context of it, but if you do it right, VCA's offer a decent analysis. That I'm sure of.-
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In post 54, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:Won't votes that I'm not confident in muddy the waters for VCA? It's not going to be reflective of my true perspective if it's a vote I was arbitrarily pressured into making for VCA, is it?
Maybe not if you're are voting just because I ask you to. I guess I'd prefer you to vote when you actually have something to go off of, but I feel like scum are generally more conservative with their vote because they don't want to get caught on wagons.
In post 60, Syndesis wrote:In post 36, ICEninja wrote: I already feel like fire's initial reaction is more town than scum, though I think twice I've seen someone dislike the second vote on me without explaining why. Could one of you expand on what specifically bugged you?
That may have been me twice. That vote is poorly supported and directly follows Fire's vote in a wagony, opportunistic manner.
In post 43, MarioManiac4 wrote:Ice is town and will not be the lynch today.
Care to explain or?
In post 47, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 38, Firebringer wrote:[in response to Ice]
Anyways, I don't know what to think of you, I guess you want to move us out of RVS?
Could be town, unsure.
UNVOTE: Iceninja
UNVOTE: MarioManiac4
VOTE: Firebringer
This smells fishy. I'm not sure I like the precedence of the unvote.
"Precedence of the unvote"? Could you clarify that?
Well, Firebringer unvoted right after Iceninja called out a town read on him, which is IMO kind of scummy.
I swear, every time Fire and Ice interact I feel like they're both scum.
In post 64, Syndesis wrote:Someone talk to me about Diego?
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In post 74, Syndesis wrote:In post 69, ICEninja wrote:I'd really like Diego to come in and post some content.
Why Diego specifically?
In post 68, 3dicerolling wrote:Well, Firebringer unvoted right after Iceninja called out a town read on him, which is IMO kind of scummy.
Ah. Thanks.
In post 68, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 64, Syndesis wrote:Someone talk to me about Diego?
What do you want to talk about him?
The icky vote on Ice in 20.
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In post 77, Davsto wrote:In post 75, Syndesis wrote:In post 73, Davsto wrote:I believe he put the statement infinitely more eloquently than I could. It's easier to quote and say "this is true" than it is to basically restate the entire thing.
Hi. Got anything to add?
Not really. It's page four. I often struggle to get much early on.
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In post 91, Firebringer wrote:Lol, so wait
You rip on Davsto for having no useful reads.
Then you say "i don't got much" then point out the obvious stuff?
You are just a riot.
If you feel so strongly about him, why aren't you voting him? You've pointed out multiple reasons you think are contradictory.-
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In post 94, Firebringer wrote:Stupidity is a town trait sir.
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In post 98, Firebringer wrote:In post 96, 3dicerolling wrote:
That is false. I played enough games to tell you that town and scum can be equally stupid.
Mafia are more informed.
They tend to act more informed.
Thus they tend to act less stupid.
Do you disagree with any of this?
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In post 121, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:@Wanderer-nl
I've played plenty of mafia before, but not on Mafiascum—Mafiascum has its own internal lingo and its own internal meta that's hard to keep track of, though I feel like I'm starting to get a handle on the meta. This is my... I think my third game on Mafiascum? I played a Newbie game, and one other. I also joined a large game, but replaced out fairly quickly as I couldn't keep up with the sheer volume of posting.
I've always been really terrible on Day 1, which is something I've been trying to nail down. Analysis on the first day, where information is scarce, is tricky for me. Most analysis on Day 1 seems to be based on meta, or reads on the particular poster from past knowledge of that poster. I don't have the later, and meta has never, ever sat well with me. I always have hated guessing things based on the metagame, because its in constant flux and has no sense of cohesiveness. It seems like any analysis at this stage is more or less guesswork. I suppose it makes sense—your guesswork makes a base for others to make guesswork off of you, and then somewhere in the process the scum is exposed.
Mostly, my expectation coming into any given game of mafia is to have fun losing.
I understand this feeling from my first few games of Mafia. Day 1 can be tricky, which is why I try my best to separate obv town from iffy players.
If you had one scumread, however small, so far who and why?
If you have one Townread, however small, who and why?
For everyone else who struggle with day 1 I encourage you to make and effort at these questions.-
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In post 26, Garmr wrote:In post 21, ICEninja wrote:No, I read it correctly. I was hoping you'd unvote or attack me in another way in order to attempt to cement your vote but alas you're more likely town based on that response alone.
Unvote.
Garmr seemed excited that he knew who would be confirmed town.Maybe that excitement came from already having a solid N1 target?
Vote Garmr.
Ice I was excited because I got actually play instead of not being able to which was looking like the case before. I don't like the bolded comment here it seems like your hunting for a power role this early. Town roles may target the innocent child as well and i think anyone would of thought of this. I feel like this is the wrong attitude to scum hunt for town so I draw the conclusion that your scum.
Looking back, this really makes no sense at all. If Ice was grasping at straws I the beginning, this is really grasping for something. I also feel like garmr is playing rather defensive.-
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In post 129, Garmr wrote:3dice no just no it's a start of something in RVs but even then it's better than all your points. You couldn't even tell me why its wrong
I just told you why it's wrong. It makes no sense. It had no correlation with what Ice was implying.-
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In post 131, Garmr wrote:In post 130, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 129, Garmr wrote:3dice no just no it's a start of something in RVs but even then it's better than all your points. You couldn't even tell me why its wrong
I just told you why it's wrong. It makes no sense. It had no correlation with what Ice was implying.
It does make sense if you look at it. Ice post showed he was saying i was excited about finding a valuable target this is wrong on so many levels. One innocent child would get all the town protections roles/watcher roles it's to risky to shoot for night 1.
If you look at the context of the post, he unvotes, then votes you. If he was implying a pr rather than mafia kill, then why would he proceed to vote you?
Two he didn't say scum he just said I was happy to have a target This means he thinks I can actually do something in the night phase thus he is role hunting this early by looking for people with excited reactions to a innocent child.
No not at all. Like I said, he voted you, so he was suggesting you were scum looking at a night target.
Three you never said why it was wrong with what ice said other than it didn't make sense this is not a suitable answer on this site you have to explain everything.
I don't really care what you think is a suitable answer. If it doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense (which it doesn't).
four What startles me is how ices points are really way out there and bad yet you ignore that and try to push me for having a out there vote silent chainsaw for him (chainsawing with out voting)
What startles me is how I stated that Ice was grasping at straws (because it was early game) and you decide to put all these words in my mouth that I never said.
five I would of probably taken my vote off him if he could provide one reason that i think was legit (even through wrong) or just admitted that his vote was there until he could find someone with a better reason. Instead he tried to justify a vote with a stretch in personality saying I was nervous with out pointing out where and why I would be.
I didn't really ask this, so I'm not sure why you are suddenly bringing this up.-
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In post 139, Garmr wrote:Dude your taking everything ice at face value with out looking at intentions that's not a good way to scum hunt also no vote on me yet your pushing me whers the pressure
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In post 140, ICEninja wrote:OK 3DICE. I'm going to ask you one last time.
CLIP. YOUR. QUOTES. In post 127 you did NOT have to include all of that in the quotes. You make the pages unnecessarily long and harder to follow. Stop. What you did in 137 is fine but please notate somewhere either directly before or after that bolded font is your response.
The only thing I wanted clipped out of 127 was the "oops" thing. Sometimes when I try to clip quotes I screw up, so I usually tend to not, but I can start for this game.-
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In post 146, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:
Syndesis:Seems to be tunnelling Diego a bit. I'd have to throw a light town-reading, nothing really suspicious that I saw.
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In post 181, Wanderer-nl wrote:Obvously I'm scumreading Archmage right now, and Diego isn't looking all too fresh either. Everybody else is either null or slipped my mind.
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In post 188, Scorpious wrote:In post 187, 3dicerolling wrote:@scorpious - Glad you're here now. Is there any particular reason you don't have a vote out?
I'd like a few of my questions answered before I feel comfortable with a vote. Since I essentially missed RVS,I'd like it to be meaningful.. just just so I have one out.
Okay that's fair. I just want to see more action and votes because some people are lackluster right now.-
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I'm still not sure about the firebringer/garmr love fest. I feel like one of them is scum trying to hide under the town one, but I'm not sure which one entirely yet. After analyzing many responses and recent posts I'm leaning town on both Ice and Archmage. Looking back, I did find a few people who aroused suspicion in my mind.
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
UNVOTE: Firebringer
VOTE: Pistacion
I'm going to wait until I can get a better read on Fire as some of his recent posts kind of tip me off as town, but I'm sure there is a scum between him and Garmr. I'm also leaning scum on Pistacion and Davsto because of there general uselessness and lack of content.
Now Garmr's post
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In post 230, ICEninja wrote:@Fire, I'm not taking your word for it that Garmr is town just because you've played with town Garmr before. Unless you can show me a solid case that doesn't involve me reading full games of him (I don't do that unless absolutely necessary), possibly where he does something explicit as Garmr!town that Garmr!scum never does or vice versa, your meta read is meaningless to my read of Garmr. For all I know you two could be scum buddies.
^^^^I don't know how to say this any better. I don't really know most people's meta (most in this game are new to me), so if you reference meta I won't understand and won't be able to take you seriously.
Scorpious is a slight town read right now based off his strong comeback. I'm null for everyone else.-
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In post 279, Davsto wrote:VOTE: Archmage Ludicrous
For spending ages "being suspicious" of me but not actually voting me until a bandwagon has formed.
So you feel like Archmage is bandwagoning you? But you don't feel like you are bandwagoning at all?
In post 284, Davsto wrote:Someone obviously doesn't know my playstyle.
Is your playstyle posting a bunch of random stuff, that doesn't really develop into anything?
In post 285, Garmr wrote:@3dice post 254
can you format your posts better maybe not type in the posts you quote.
1.No I didn't misrep you because that's what i said. I said you said stupidity was a town and scum trait aka both so that doesn't disprove my point. Also he did answer you back then you asked for examples on how scum are more informed. Through he didn't give you examples how scum act more informed in general he did answer your original question.
2 By passive I meant taking a role in the background not really trying to convince town to follow you on your scum read. That's half the game convincing others to join your wagons. You seemed to have no interest in doing that it looks more like you were willing to be town read. I expect you to actually place a actual decent case on fire in attempt to get him lynch instead you passivly asked him a few question and went onto the next subject leaving your note with out trying to convince others to join you this scummy.
3.Because your really afraid of ending up on the wrong side of the argument that's why you did't go in. Scum want to be part of major debates to look town yet not set a stance so they can lynch both if they have to. Classic noob scum.
side note:don't remember ice being this bad of a player as town it's got to be his scum game.
Sorry about that. I can try harder on my formatting this time, but I was running low on time that day.
1. Fire responded to one of my statements, but he never answered my question. Go back and read it yourself. And no I was not particularly worried about Fire pushing Ice at the time, I was wondering why, if he felt so strongly about him, why he wasn't voting, and he elaborated on why.
2. That's the thing. I didn't have a decent case on Fire. Despite my gut scum read and pressure, there was not really much else, which is why I unvoted. I still feel uneasy about the two of you, but it's gut, so nobody really would've wanted to jump on in the first place and self proclaiming and pressure vote is dumb and defeats the purpose of it.
3. Um no, I feel like I have a pretty defined town/scum/null section now, or did you miss my recent post?
In post 286, Wanderer-nl wrote:I'm back. Thanks. It was beautiful. Still sad but was able to make peace. Hundreds of people came, we didn't fit in the room even.
On Davsto: his case and vote on ICE were bad. But I don't really see much issues with his vote on Archmage because Archmage did hold his vote for a while. Just that he voted ICE on page 1 stuff without analysis of later posts makes him look bad enough. In my experience Davsto is always hard to read and looking a little scummy. I agree he needs to start posting content, I do think that if he's scum he would maybe try harder to make reads to prevent getting lynched and I don't see him doing that.
Archmage: Not sure what to think here. To me he still doesn't feel too involved. He had a scumread on Davsto but not much other reads and he's not really contributed to other discussions in this thread except when he was specifically asked. In 204 Archmage tells us that he doesn't want to vote Davsto because he wants him to have a chance to respond, Davsto never responded to Archmage's case, and Archmage never looked to engage with Davsto other than his 204. Now a wagon on Davsto started and he's ready to vote. I also didn't like his attack at ICE in 226.
Archmage: what's your read on ICE currently?
Mario, Davsto is hard to read for meas well but don't you at least have some sort of thoughts on what he's been doing so far this game? Right now you seem to be avoiding saying anything about him at all and that's not really helping. Also, you really think Garmr and Firerbinger are scumbuddies?
Everyone I didn't mention is either town or null. I plan to reread later to try and sort the nulls more.
I feel like your saying a lot, but I can't really tell what stance you are taking toward Mario and Archmage. In fact it kind of looks like you discredit your own reads in the statement I bolded.
In post 288, Alchemist21 wrote:@Fire, are you going to tell my why you're scumreading Mario?
Regarding Davsto, his wagon is starting to look like how wagons typically form on VI's. I think archmage is a much better wagon.
VOTE: Archmage Ludicrous
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In post 308, ICEninja wrote:The word you're looking for is hypocritical. Remind me to look at pistachi0n when I get home.
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Spoiler:
1. Yeah I was wondering that as well. I waited for a bit for the response, and then I forgot about it for a little bit. Can you link this game?
2. Well, initially I felt you were defensive in your reaction, but your tone has lightened up a bit in your recent posts. I'm still wary of you and Fire's little love circle, but the strength of it has slightly lessened due to your responses. I feel like scum in your case might have backed off sooner, but I guess it all depends on your playstyle. I feel like scum might be looking for easy bandwagons, or trying to fade out, which is basically what Pistacion is doing, so that's why I'm voting her.
3. This was from my post #254
ICE - Leaning Town
Archmage - Leaning Town
Fire - Slightly leaning Town
Scorpious - Slightly leaning Town
Garmr - Slightly leaning scum
Davsto - Leaning Scum
Pistacion - Strongly Leaning Scum
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In post 312, Alchemist21 wrote:Pistachion just moved into my scumreads. Archmage's "readslist" was the worst part of his play, and him admitting that it was a forced post is what looks like apologetic scum to me. I find it hard to believe Town sees that and thinks it looks good.
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In post 319, Scorpious wrote:In post 315, Firebringer wrote:I could compromise on Pistachion, they are a null read.
I would much rather lynch mage though.
If those were the two options. I would support a Mage lynch. I can't get over that forced read wall. Yes,he did admit it looked forced,but it was still posted..
I'm not sold on Pistachion
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In post 499, Davsto wrote:This lynch on me is bad and you should feel bad. ICE is the only one who I can think of that has decent reasoning, the rest of you are just banding on the easiest wagon. Shame on you.
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In post 505, Davsto wrote:In post 502, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 499, Davsto wrote:This lynch on me is bad and you should feel bad. ICE is the only one who I can think of that has decent reasoning, the rest of you are just banding on the easiest wagon. Shame on you.
No. Your super inconsistent votes, pis poor reasoning and general lack of anything helpful is what has everyone on your wagon. Stop trying to AtE.
Funny how he doesn't give reasons until pressured to do so.
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In post 254, 3dicerolling wrote:I'm still not sure about the firebringer/garmr love fest. I feel like one of them is scum trying to hide under the town one, but I'm not sure which one entirely yet. After analyzing many responses and recent posts I'm leaning town on both Ice and Archmage. Looking back, I did find a few people who aroused suspicion in my mind.
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UNVOTE: Firebringer
VOTE: Pistacion
I'm going to wait until I can get a better read on Fire as some of his recent posts kind of tip me off as town, but I'm sure there is a scum between him and Garmr. I'm also leaning scum on Pistacion and Davsto because of there general uselessness and lack of content.
Now Garmr's post
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In post 230, ICEninja wrote:@Fire, I'm not taking your word for it that Garmr is town just because you've played with town Garmr before. Unless you can show me a solid case that doesn't involve me reading full games of him (I don't do that unless absolutely necessary), possibly where he does something explicit as Garmr!town that Garmr!scum never does or vice versa, your meta read is meaningless to my read of Garmr. For all I know you two could be scum buddies.
^^^^I don't know how to say this any better. I don't really know most people's meta (most in this game are new to me), so if you reference meta I won't understand and won't be able to take you seriously.
Scorpious is a slight town read right now based off his strong comeback. I'm null for everyone else.
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I really hope so. If not
@Davsto - If you flip town, who do you want us to pursue tomorrow?-
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In post 552, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 550, 3dicerolling wrote:As long as it isn't as creepy as the halloween one.
Did you ever see the Santa Boss from SAO?
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In post 435, pistachi0n wrote:I'm trying to get you to clarify. This is a common thing people do when they play mafia.
It was scummy of you to wait until after Davsto voted you to vote for him. You say you proved him wrong, you didn't prove anything. Your townblock stuff is also pretty scummy, it looks to me like you were trying to appear trustworthy and buddy with town players.
VOTE: Garmr
I haven't gone back and analyzed all of davsto's interactions, but this reaction did catch my eye. Garmr had just began to push davsto, and then Pistacion subtly jumps in with a vote on garmr. I smell chainsaw.
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In post 565, pistachi0n wrote:I no longer think Garmr is scum after Davsto's flip.
I agree with Alchemist's assessment of All Alone.
VOTE: All Alone
Can you go into more depth of why you think All Alone is scum?
In post 581, ICEninja wrote:Excuse me, I believe credit for finding Davsto scum and pushing the lynch tips preeeeetty heavily in my favor.
Garmr's case on Mario is good. I might be convinced to vote Mario. Based on where the votes were thrown around, a Mario, Scorp, Davsto scum team makes a lot of sense.
This bugs me. It seems like Ice is grasping for a townread.
In post 582, MarioManiac4 wrote:So I hunted with my buddy after they were hammered, and me and Scorp crossbussed?
No.
It makes far more sense that scum bussed their goon, and is now having the town sheep them because, "My reads are good, I caught scum, lynch TownX."
So you are saying garmr is scum? If so, why are you not voting him?
In post 588, MarioManiac4 wrote:In post 576, Garmr wrote:Also would like to add the fact like dave, mario was more concerned with me town blocking fire instead of finding other scum points to actually build a case on me.
WTF? I was scumreading you for forcing a townblock because SCUM. WANT. TO. BE. IN. A. TOWNBLOC.
THAT PART OF YOUR CASE ON DAVE IS 100% SHITTY. THE FACT YOU THINK YOU ARE PLAYING WELL BY FAKING A GUILTY ON TOWN AND LETTING THE LYNCH GO THROUGH SHOULD SHOW YOU THAT YOU NEED TO RE-EVALUATE YOUR TELLS.
This seems like town frustration to me.
Garmr's case isn't bad, but I don't see anythingtooincriminating on Mario. I'd much prefer a Pistacion lynch until someone expounds further on mario scum.
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In post 597, Alchemist21 wrote:This is Mario about the Dav wagon before the hammer:
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This is him about the wagon after the hammer:
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Again, I think he's showing more frustration after the hammer than before, and I think that's because he thought if he rallied hard against a Dav wagon before he'd get flak for it but if he did it after the hammer he'd get people to think he seriously wanted a different wagon.
Can you explain how this points more to mario scum?
In post 598, Wanderer-nl wrote:3dice: More players had cases on Mario, Garmr wasn't the only one. What are your thoughts on what ICE said about Mario? Or Archmage?
What worries me about Mario is that he kept up he wasn't able to read Davsto, and later changes it to a townread. Was that townread based solely on the fact that Davsto was pushed so hard?
In post 585, ICEninja wrote:Also possible, but I'm wondering if this is a scum slip. I've made some assumptions about there being only 1 scum team based on number of night kills, but I couldn't for a second guess if there was only 1 goon or multiple. I'm not going to let the wording of this cause me to lose too much sleep, but if you flip scum PR it means there is very likely another.
Dav flipped goon, right? I don't really think this is a scumslip. It could be though.. Bah now I'm getting paranoid.
I didn't like Pista's 487 but never got a chance to reply to it. The whole idea to a townbloc is that you have such a strong townread on each other that you won't vote each other. We lynch based on reads as well, so why are scumreads ok and townreads not?
Regarding Ice, I think he should elaborate more on why mario is scum. I don't think just saying garmr's case is good justifies it. As for Archmage, pointing out an irregularity in activity patterns is reasonable. I think the math comment was completely dumb though. Math has no correlation with mafia, so that was pretty out there. Both of them suggest mario/scorp scum team, but I'm not convinced on that. I lean more on scorpious scum than mario.
He might have felt that davsto was town based on his reactions or something. Regardless, I'm not sure scum would defend his buddy in that situation. I think scum would've done stealthier things, like push the person pushing there scumbuddy.-
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Explain? post 582 pointed to you thinking garmr was scum. Now you vote scorpious.-
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In post 602, Alchemist21 wrote:@3dice; I think it points to Mario scum because Mario thought he'd get scumread for aggressively defending his buddy from the lynch, but if he did it after it was too late for it to change anything he'd look more genuine. Basically, I think he was putting on a few airs after Dav was hammered.
This makes more sense. Can you elaborate more on your pistacion town read? The way I see it is, Pistacion was playing pretty conservatively, not posting much content at all. When garmr starts hard pushing davsto, she slips in with a vote on garmr. The timing of it all seems too coincidental to be a town pistacion.-
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In post 605, ICEninja wrote:3dice wrote:
This bugs me. It seems like Ice is grasping for a townread.
You're kidding, right? People have thrown so many town reads at me I'm astounded I lived the night. Honestly I wish people would throw FEWER townreads at me as this is the only game I'm currently playing and being night killed would suck right now.
Also, I was the one who had a legitimate case against Dav, and the first vote, whereas Garmr was just arguing with him. Why is he getting the credit?
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Regarding Ice, I think he should elaborate more on why mario is scum. I don't think just saying garmr's case is good justifies it.
Why not? His case was thorough, and I really don't think there's much I could possibly add to it that I haven't already. What's the point of someone making a case at all if everyone else is required to make their own in order to find someone suspicious?
That being said with Mario's odd vote on to Scorp, I feel like a townflip of Scorp increases the chance of Marioscum (as Scorpious is by far the easiest wagon to push at the moment, if he's town) and a scum flip of Scorpious decreases the likelihood of Marioscum, as the right tactic for MarioScorp exScumvaganza would be to attack an easier town target such as pistachi0n.
@Alchemist I think you're right. Scum flip of Dav makes me pretty strongly lean town on pistachi0n.
1. Honestly, I was townreading you in the beginning based on gut, but it's not really that strong of a read. Also, if you were town being town read by most people, I don't see why you would want more credit.
I had a case on davsto as well, but the fact that garmr pushed him so hard when there were other contesting wagons is town.
2. Explain why his case was thorough. I'm sick of all this "Well player w's case is good so player x,y, and z are just going to sheep". That makes it too easy for scum to bus.
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In post 632, ICEninja wrote:Garmr wrote:
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Explain why his case was thorough.
It just...is pretty good. He presents substantial reason to tie Davsto and Mario together, and it strongly leads me to believe that one of Scorpious and Mario is scum. Having nailed one on day 1, being pretty confident between two players is pretty excellent.
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In post 651, ICEninja wrote:Why? Garmr ALREADY DID.
I don't currently care what garmr said. I want to know what specifically you like about what garmr said. I don't know why you are overreacting.-
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In post 653, ICEninja wrote:I'm not overreacting, you're refusing my answer and asking stupid questions. It is irritating me. You didn't like the fact that I agreed with Garmr, but that doesn't change the fact that he made a good case and it made Mario my second biggest scum read after Scorpious.
You want to know what I like? I like the things he posted in 570. If you'd like me to make a case against Mario it would look very remarkably similar to that post, so I'm not going to bother.
I'm not refusing your answer, you aren't asking my question. All I'm asking is why you think mario is scum, and you are blatantly ignoring that and just saying "garmr's case is good". I never said I didn't like that you agreed with garmr. I never said I didn't like garmr's case. I never said garmr's case was bad. I asked what in his case has you swinging so heavily to mario, and all you have given me is vague answers.
I don't want you to make a case, I want you to tell me what you like about garmr's case. Like specific points he made or links he connected.-
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In post 668, ICEninja wrote:3dice wrote:
I don't want you to make a case, I want you to tell me what you like about garmr's case. Like specific points he made or links he connected.
I already linked you the points he made that I like. None of them were bad. Why is this confusing to you? This is the most useless back and forward ever.
All you proved to me is that you can link someone else's post and call it a case. I'm beginning to get scummy vibes from you because I don't think you actually have a reason to think mm4 is scum because you are scum.
In post 666, Scorpious wrote:In post 658, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:@Scorpius, once again, I'd really like to know why you chose to hammer fifteen minutes after intent.
IDK, seemed like the right thing to do..
VOTE: mm4
Why?
In post 671, pistachi0n wrote:In post 665, Alchemist21 wrote:@Pistachi0n; Would you be willing to vote Mario today and go for All Alone tomorrow?
Yes, Mario is scummy.
VOTE: Mario
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In post 677, ICEninja wrote:3dice wrote:
All you proved to me is that you can link someone else's post and call it a case. I'm beginning to get scummy vibes from you because I don't think you actually have a reason to think mm4 is scum because you are scum.
Good. Fucking. God.
Garmr posted a very thorough and convincing case that points to Marioscum after Davsto flipped scum. After I read the case I was convinced that after Scorpious, Mario has the highest chance of being scum.
This REALLY shouldn't be that difficult to wrap your head around, because it's never been scummy to agree with someone's strong case before, from what I've seen anyway.
Anyways, it should be noted thatMario is at L-1 right now, and we should proceed with caution. I find him scummy, but I still prefer a Scorpious lynch and I'm not yet interested in declaring intent to hammer.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I never said agreeing with someone else's case is scummy. You've said garmr's case is convincing and thorough and blah blah blah many times, but you still haven't stated any actual reasoning.
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