For having to have a reason to random vote me...and OMGUS
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Hyphen-ated wrote:Vote: Malchonn
For voting for someone for voting for someone just because they like Ice Cream.
No, no, no. We're not starting that here toovampyrusddg wrote:greetings all
vote: muerrto
why havn't we lynched him yet?
I'm definitely agreeing with this. It's way too early for a real vote and he didn't do anything scummy that I can see. Were you kidding Death when you posted that?somestrangeflea wrote:I don't like this. This seems like trying to get a real reason to vote someone, where there really isn't one...
Unvote: DeathSauce
Vote: death_omen
Um..or it sounds like me asking him if he was joking cause we're still in the random stage? You've got a confirmed vote and a scum buddy pick on page 2? Have fun with that dude.Khelvaster wrote:This sounds a lot like scum talking to one another. A whole lot like scum talking to one another. I hereby suspect muerrto and death_omen as scumbuddies based on this comment.
Vote: Muerrto (confirming vote)
I asked if he was joking but in the same post said that I agree that his vote(if it was serious) was waaaay too early.Khelvaster wrote:You are feeding him lines.
Lol nice. Man this was a really short random stage for 12 people. Oh well, he spoke up.Malchonn wrote:Muerrto hasn't started talking nonsense (yet)
Khelvaster wrote:Wait...still random voting.
vote: muerto
For posting a semi-relevant, in-game reason as his random vote.
Khelvaster wrote:That was a genuine random. He is at lynch -4. If someone were to seriously suspect him, I would remove my vote.
Khelvaster wrote:This sounds a lot like scum talking to one another. A whole lot like scum talking to one another. I hereby suspect muerrto and death_omen as scumbuddies based on this comment.
Vote: Muerrto (confirming vote)
Khelvaster wrote:You are feeding him lines.
Or asking him a question. I'm sorry man but even if it was someone else there's no way you could convince me you've nailed a scum pair on page 2 after 1 post.Khelvaster wrote:Muerrto wrote: Khev: How did asking Omen if he was joking give you the impression I was feeding him lines?You were giving him a way out of a really scummy line. That's how.
And to add to that. I'm not sure Omen saying someone is 'jumpy' is as scummy as you're making it out to be. Would you lynch either me or Omen on that evidence right now? If your answer is yes I encourage you to slow down a bit. Making day 1 last as long as possible is always good for the town.Khelvaster wrote:You were giving him a way out of a really scummy line. That's how.
True. And believe me I know how to poke people and get the reactions I want. But on page 2 was a bit fast. And giving a weak reason(jumpy?) when others did the exact same thing(gave a silly reason for a random vote) just looks bad. Now you've got Khev 100% convinced you're scum(I'm not worried about him being convinced about me, I was merely pointing out your reason was weak) because you gave a weak reason and a quick vote.death_omen wrote:Look we are all short of information, im simply posing votes against certain people and seeing how they react to it, its just something i do to narrow my scum suspects down.Muerrto wrote:Btw just noticed we have 2 deaths(3 if you count me) so now you're omen and you're sauce.
Omen: What about WLC's posts were jumpy? He posted a random vote, gave a random funny reason just like everyone else. Yes he explained it was random which was redundant but I'm still not seeing jumpy enough to vote him seriously. I'd still like to know if it was a joke although at this point I'll assume it wasn't. Why wasn't anyone else jumpy to you?
Easily. Khev claimed we're both scum. Omen knows this isn't true no matter what because if he's scum he knows who else is scum and that I'm not. If he's town then he knows we're not both scum because he's town. He doesn't know if I'm scum but he knows we're not scum buddies. Therefore, no matter what role he is, he knows we're not scumbuddies.somestrangeflea wrote:I personally didn't get the "if you're town you know you're not" line...Muerrto wrote:(as you know your role and if you're scum you know my role so you know there's no way we're both scum b/c if you're scum you know I'm not and if you're town you know you're not)
Please clarify this post!
Hm...except I even said it was WIFOM and proves nothing. Did you read that part? I said it proves it to HIM and I already know it's true. How can I ever PROVE anything to you short of me dying? Is everyone here looking for a speed lynch on day 1? Definitely not the speed of game I'm used to, not sure about the rest of you.somestrangeflea wrote:Yes, it's all WIFOM.
You've made a relatively large argument to prove that "one specific person knows you aren't scumbuddies with that person", which means nothing if you're scum.
Not only does your actual argument do nothing to help us find scum, but you're blatantly trying to use WIFOM as proof of your non-argument!
Unvote:death_omen
Vote: Muerrto
FoS: death_omen
Yeah. Inside joke from another site where people like to lynch me. Vamp was actually quoting the mod, Vel, when he said it last game.Plessiez wrote:and vampyrus and Muerrto can confirm I'm not in on whatever inside joke was behind vamp's original comment.
Well Omen seemed to get defensive after being accused which both bothers me and frightens me. Getting defensive early can lead to alot more suspiscion laid down on you which can lead to a mislynch, that's the frighten. However, getting defensive early may be because you have something to be defensive about, that's the worry. I still don't like his vote for WLC for being 'jumpy'. I want more of an explanation than just 'we have little info to go on'. You could've FoS'ed him instead of voting him.Plessiez wrote:Muerrto: I can see what you're doing in the part of #68 that confused somestrangeflea. You're explaining to death_omen why he shouldn't think you're feeding him lines, yes? This is all well and good, only... death_omen never suggested you were, as far as I can tell. So why did you feel the need to address this point to him?
I mean ... I could tellyouthat the you and me aren't scumbuddies, by the exact some logic (if you're scum, you'd know I'm town; if you're town, you know you're town). Would be kind of odd if I just did it out of nowhere though, right?
Also: is it usually your habit to assume everybody town until you find a reason not to? If not, what have Khev or death_omen done to make you think them town?
Shrug. Flea asked.Hyphen-ated wrote:Muerrto that was a really goofy argument. Why would you ever even need to "prove" to someone that you know you aren't scum with them? To both of you it's totally obvious whether you are scumbuddies or not.
Um exactly. You ASKED me to clarify. I'm not quite understanding your use of the english language. But here we go:somestrangeflea wrote:Asked you what? I wanted you to clarify something you'd already said, I never "asked" you anything new.
Muerrto wrote:This is why we want to slow down. Jumping to votes that quick is making others jump to conclusions even quicker. It's not helping any. I'm not trying to give you lines(as you know your role and if you're scum you know my role so you know there's no way we're both scum b/c if you're scum you know I'm not and if you're town you know you're not) I'm merely trying to slow down what was starting to build too quickly.
I told Omen to slow down because I didn't like his short post earlier. He seemed to be bothered by the scum buddy comment. I wasn't adressing him obviously I was adressing Khev since Khev was the one saying I was feeding him lines. I said 'you' because the post was adressing Omen. You asked me to clarify. I clarified.somestrangeflea wrote:I personally didn't get the "if you're town you know you're not" line...
Please clarify this post!
Sooo.....I guess I'm still not understanding what you're saying. You asked me to clarify a post and I did. What problem did you have with this?somestrangeflea wrote:Yeah, but it's not as if I asked you for anything new. You were merely rehashing stuff you'd already said!
I think he menat Flea jumped on me. Still not sure why.DeathSauce wrote:Hey vampy, I'm part Welsh too.
Where did strangeflea "jump" on me? Did I miss something?
Whoa there! I thought that was those dirty Scots!vampyrusddg wrote:Well, theres said to be an affinity between welshmen and sheep... Perpetuated by 1001 crude jokes.Muerrto wrote: So wait a minute, why's it sad to be Welsh again?
DeathSauce wrote:Vote: MuerrtoI really dislike post 68 and the WIFOM that occurred afterward. The repeated requests to slow the game down are bizarre, there wasn't really any chance of a quicklynch, keeping the game moving is what we want.
Excuse me? I even said myself it was WIFOM. I said myself it meant nothing and could prove nothing but that he asked me to clarify and I did.Muerrto wrote:Of course all of this is WIFOM and will probably cause headaches because of course I can't PROVE my role to you any more than he can.
Sooo you're voting me because I'm actually posting as opposed to lurking like most of the other players? That was the worst reason yet.death_omen wrote:It would be dead right now if Muertto wasnt accusing people left right and center, he seems keen to pick up on every single post targeted against him with strong comebacks.
Lets see now... Vote:Muerrto
1. At first it was Khev. He leaped onto me way too fast for little to no reason. But then in post #100 he did the same to Omen. I like his reasons for voting Omen better and I really, really like how he put it. He sounds very opinionated. Maybe a little quick to jump on people but so am I so I relate to his playstyle. I'd rather see him toss around FoS's than votes but until he puts someone in danger he's not bothering me.Plessiez wrote:Muerrto
Questions:
1)I'd be interested to see how you rank the people who voted for you in terms of suspicions (obviously you suspect omen most, but I'm not sure how you feel about Khel compared to Flea or Sauce and so on). Mind doing so?
2)If you had to pick three people right now to 'attack relentlessly for a few pages', who would they be and why?
Now this can still be the new player not liking terminology thing but the fact that I SAID it was WIFOM and pointless then he votes me and says it's WIFOM and pointless is a bit off. I mean, If I'd meant it to prove anything I wouldn't have completely taken out the foundation of my own post by calling it pointless and baseless.somestrangeflea wrote:to prove that "one specific person knows you aren't scumbuddies with that person", which means nothing if you're scum.
Not only does your actual argument do nothing to help us find scum, but you're blatantly trying to use WIFOM as proof of your non-argument!
Is crazy. Do I think he's scum? At this point I'm going with 75% at least. First the jump on WLC with no defense of it other thandeath_omen wrote:It would be dead right now if Muertto wasnt accusing people left right and center, he seems keen to pick up on every single post targeted against him with strong comebacks.
And then leaped just as fast onto me. And I can almost guarantee the first thing he'll do when he logs on is say 'oops' and unvote. He's trying too hard to appease others and jumping from fad to fad. That bothers me greatly.death_omen wrote:Look we are all short of information, im simply posing votes against certain people and seeing how they react to it, its just something i do to narrow my scum suspects down.
Random? Votes with little meaning? Ok first off I don't see Khev straight out claiming I'm a scum pair as random or little meaning. Then Flea joins as well, then Sauce, then you. NONE of those votes were random. Could they have been poking? Definitely, but not random. This was far from a good defense on your part.death_omen wrote:2. I expected him to put up a big arguement why he wasn't scum and thats exactly what he did. This guy takes votes seriously he really hates it. Then he thinks I jumped onto the wagon... I ask you what wagon? They were all random or votes with very little meaning.
And then...Muerrto wrote:And I can almost guarantee the first thing he'll do when he logs on is say 'oops' and unvote. He's trying too hard to appease others and jumping from fad to fad. That bothers me greatly.
death_omen wrote:2. I was expecting him saying how scummy i looked instead of him defending himself, which I must say is exactly what he did. He does post alot but he never really gives himself away, innocent until proven guilty I must say.
In conclusion I think we should pay attention to the lurkers I mentioned above and watch somestrangeflea and WLC.
If you still think I am scum then I am ready for a role claim (if mod allows).
Unvote
This is getting old. I understand people don't like WIFOM but you have to actually read the posts to participate people.Hyphen-ated wrote:I think you're scummy for saying this. In general, using poor logic like WIFOM hurts the town, so it is scummy. It's perfectly legitimate to point out that someone has used poor logic and call them scummy for it. It's just like if someone did any other action that hurts the town.
The fact that you are defending WIFOM itself is more suspicious to me than actually using it would be.
Unvote
FoS Muerrto
No, my reaction to the fourth vote was overblown because the reasoning was crap. My reaction to yours was the same I gave to hyphen above, I NEVER defended WIFOM. I said in my original post that it was pointless and proved nothing. Now some people are saying posting pointless things like that are scummy because they don't help the town. Soooo, does that mean posting stuff about the Welsh is scummy? Gimme a break.DeathSauce wrote:You worry me as well. I felt your reaction to a third vote was quite overblown, since there was only the very slightest of chances that there was any danger in it for you.
I completely negated my whole post in that line. I straight out said this post is pointless. If you want to look at it as fluff then do so and if you think fluff is scummy you may wanna try rethinking that. I never tried to prove anything with WIFOM because it's not possible.Muerrto wrote:Of course all of this is WIFOM and will probably cause headaches because of course I can't PROVE my role to you any more than he can.
No. That's saying 'saying people who use WIFOM are scummy is WIFOM'.Hyphen-ated wrote:That's a defense of WIFOM and the people who use it.Muerrto wrote:Saying people who use WIFOM are scum is in itself WIFOM and therefore pointless.
Um...save time? Are we in a hurry? This is just a horrible post. Absolutely. Why would we want to speed lynch, possibly accidently get a townie, then start over from scratch day 2? The longer day 1 lasts the more info we get, the more links we get, the better off we are day 2, ESPECIALLY if we get a townie lynched day 1. I'm sorry but there's no other choice but:Khelvaster wrote:Wow...this looks utterly wrong. It saves time to lynch Death Omen now, and look for partners tomorrow. That way, if he is town, we can immediately jump on some other leads. More information means more accurate investigations. It would be a waste to do anything d1 when we can lynch Death Omen, look at the night kill, and use that information on d2.
DeathSauce wrote:This whole exchange BOTHERS me. It all seems like a suck-up on a grand scale. "Oh Plessiez, you are so wise, what do you think of my play? You are so logic oriented and play with such skill!"
I honestly do not ever recall seeing another post like this one on this board. Why are you concerned with what Plessiez thinks about you? Why are you eager to promote him as an authority?
Um WTF. ONLY if we lynch scum. If Omen's town we get 2 less townies day 2. Would you much rather be playing with 2 less townies? You're completely ignoring the chance that Omen could be town just like you did way back on page 3.Khelvaster wrote:It wastes time and effort if we go investigating links where none exist. More information is available d2 than d1. We can do all the investigation you want to do on d1 on d2 instead, except we will be missing a scum and a townie on d2. I'd much rather be playing with 1 less scum and 1 less townie.
See above please.Khelvaster wrote:Better to make a large library d2 with less people who can confuse us. Do you understand what I'm saying? You speedlynch scum d1, then d2 it is easier to find remaining scum. No logical scum will defend Death Omen at this point, so now all this talking can be done d2, except one townie will be dead. The dead townie means one less person we suspect as scum.
I don't know. I said I don't think you are. You came off to me early and still do as an over anxious townie. Now if you continue to rush a lynch and Omen is town that may change. I also think Omen is scum which is why I'm not pursuing you, but I'm not 100% convinced like you are. It's dangerous to be that sure.Khelvaster wrote:You are being too nice for the way I've been acting. Seriously though, that advice, while very good, makes it seem like you already know I'm not scum...Still, this is tenuous at best, so I am not pursuing you further atm. Death Omen is still much worse in my eyes.
death_omen wrote:To the town.Ifi am town aligned PLEASE make sure Khelvaster is lynched tomorrow.
Ok now to start defending myself again...
There is also a lot of lurking going on by people who just want to see me out of this game, hypenated has just stopped posting completely so has vampsdurgg.
I hope the townies in this game saw that little hint of mine.
Malchonn wrote:Muerrto- Wicked crazy poster that I have come to know and love. He is always a tough read for me because he always posts a lot and I lose some info in the process, very defensive, but has seemed to answer everyones question that came to him. I have no idea which side he is on.
@Muerrto- Why is it that in your quote in post #164 you left out the part that Death Omen says "I am 100% town alligned"?
death_omen wrote:Nty for the take two the town is blinded and Im done trying to convince you guys.. You are unpersuadable.
death_omen wrote:I said if because you guys seem to be so sure of my scum allignment i felt fully inclined to add the if.
Yes but he's definitely not acting like a jester. If he was he wouldn't be so adamant about being town, breadcrumbing a power role, and saying we'll regret it if we kill him. He'd be pulling some really nasty obvious scum tells to try and get killed. The jester thing is a bit too much of a stretch for me.Hjallti wrote:Jesters are possible in mini's, aren't they?
Fiercely? You kidding? And incorrect? Let's analyze the post shall we?death_omen wrote:You see he acted in a way he has been acting all game he firstly opposes the post against him fiercely, then directs the post back at you in an inncorrect manner.
This is your original vote post. Horrible reason for a vote and the third one on me at this point. Here is my response:death_omen wrote:It would be dead right now if Muertto wasnt accusing people left right and centerVampanezeHunter wrote:Is it just me or has this game slowed down?, he seems keen to pick up on every single post targeted against him with strong comebacks.
Lets see now... Vote:Muerrto
Fierce? Where? Point it out? Point out my evil glare too while you're at it. And my strong comeback? Dude, I didn't even VOTE you, I FoS'ed you and asked for an explanation. You NEVER gave one. And later:Muerrto wrote:Sooo you're voting me because I'm actually posting as opposed to lurking like most of the other players? That was the worst reason yet.
I now have 4 votes after 2 pages with little reason more than a WIFOM post. I'm asking again for you guys to slow down before you mislynch me and have NO ties whatsoever to anyone else on day 2.
Also, I really don't like Omen jumping on this wagon for such a horrible reason. My thinking is that when I'm found town he'll be cleared of Khev's scum buddy accusation. Definitely:
FoS: Omen
Khev is wrong but had a reason, Flea is wrong but has a reason, Sauce is wrong but had a reason(although he posted a few times before deciding to jump on the WIFOM attack), Omen votes because I'm posting? I don't think so man.
Muerrto wrote:And I can almost guarantee the first thing he'll do when he logs on is say 'oops' and unvote. He's trying too hard to appease others and jumping from fad to fad. That bothers me greatly.
death_omen wrote:In conclusion I think we should pay attention to the lurkers I mentioned above and watch somestrangeflea and WLC.
If you still think I am scum then I am ready for a role claim (if mod allows).
Unvote
Muerrto wrote:He's trying too hard to appease others and jumping from fad to fad. That bothers me greatly.
Um...why would we know they're not scum just because they need replacing? Careful Khev. Your replacement comment earlier as Pless already pointed out sounds like you know who's going to die and who's not. So explain this very carefully to me.Khelvaster wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong here, but another reason to move now before lurkers are replaced is that, if night happens while they still need replacing, we can be sure they aren't scum. If they need replacing, one of them is scum.
And I agree. I still think you're scummier for never defending and always attacking and for voting me because I post and for NUMEROUS other reasons but I'm not missing Khev's posts, believe me.death_omen wrote:Khelvaster is thinking far too ahead, he assumes im scum, is already guessing what could and would happen on day 2.
He's basically saying lynch before anyone else has a chance to speak, beat the mod beat the replacements, lynch the "supposed scum".
Well first off I agree that's a pretty underhanded tactic and not in the spirit of the game. But second remember that some of the people not posting might just be lurking and not being replaced.Khelvaster wrote:Well, the mod obviously wouldn't go through night without all the scum being there. So, if we finish d1 before he gets replacements, we will know that none of the afkers are scum. Similarly, if he delays before getting replacements, we will know at least one of them are scum. Does this make sense?
Um I know you said your english isn't great but read that again. I said YOU know YOUR role. As in HE knows HIS role. How's that make me scum? I think you misread that.Hjallti wrote:This is only true if Muerto is scum, as scum don't know who is town and who is neutralMuerrto (68) (bolded by me) wrote:as you knowyour roleand if you're scum you know my role
Just a small note(altho I hate to metagame), Vamp is NEVER all over the place with his votes but I think most of the votes you quoted were in the random stage still or poking lurkers. But revise your opinion of Vamp quickly. He'll be a great town asset or a deadly mafia. I always watch him closely.Nelly632 wrote:Vampyrysddg
Honestly the one player in this game who strikes me as townie, the reasoning behind that being that he has flip flopped on his votes so many times that this would be a clear way to draw attention to yourself which is something Mafia does not like to do. His first vote for Muerrto was casted after Plessiez cast his first vote for Muerrto, his second vote for Vampaneze hunter was a bandwagon vote. His votes there after were for Hjallti, Malchonn & Death Omen. I noticed that he never cast a vote for someone who hadn’t already had a vote on them. My thoughts on that were simply, this is either a brilliant strategy by a Mafia member or a indecisive strategy by a townie, my opinion lying towards the latter obviously.
Khelvaster wrote:This is very important to read, especially the stuff about Muerrto. You can overlook the Nelly stuff if you want--Muerrto and D_O are almost totally linked.
Notice how, in this post, I defend myself against my accusations *compares self to Death Omen* in addition to making attacks against Nelly and Muerrto.
First off, Muerrto and more of his scumtalking
Yikes! Now tell me, everybody, is there any possible way I am misinterpreting this, or is Muerrto giving advice to his scumbuddy, Death_Omen?Muerrto (Emphasis Added) wrote: If DO can give me a decent defense WITHOUT attacking someone I may remove my vote.Remember DO, unless you're scum you don't know Khev's role.Just because he's attacking you doesn't mean he's scum.
Muerrto wrote:This post was horrible. You flew off the handle, you said 'IF' you came up town, you set up a day 2 lynch on someone that you SHOULDN'T have any clue if they're town or not, you said you started defending yourself and attacked Khev, you then attacked the lurkers, then you breadcrumbed a power role.
Wanna try for a take two?
Muerrto wrote:Not a line I EVER want to see from a townie, ESPECIALLY since you're semi-claiming a power role. You're just going to give up if you're the doctor or the cop or whatever and say screw the town just because people suspect you!? Horrible.
Vote stands. Work on your defense a bit more and stop trying to attack your attackers. You attacked Khev, me, the lurkers, and no where did you state WHY you placed the vote in the first place.
Muerrto wrote:And I agree. I still think you're scummier for never defending and always attacking and for voting me because I post and for NUMEROUS other reasons but I'm not missing Khev's posts, believe me.
I just said I want an explanation of why he's always got some kind ofinside scoop, I've told him many times to slow down, to not set himself up as our day 2 lynch etc.
I also just said that unless his latest post is explained satisfactorily he'll be in my scope for a few pages to come. That last post about replacments can't be scum was just weird to say the least.
Muerrto wrote:Also, great points about Khev which is why he has my FoS. DO has my vote because his defense has been nothing but crap.
Yes Khev's pushing a lynch hardcore but look at how he's played so far. He doesn't exactly run slowly towards the brick wall. If DO's town and we lynch him then Khev will definitely smack that wall hard and if he's town also we'll screw up 2 days.
DO however has had no defense. When asked to he has simply given up and attacked lurkers and Khev. He's even hinted a power role but has also basically said(when he said he gave up) that he's not planning on RC'ing it. What is that?
If DO can give me a decent defense WITHOUT attacking someone I may remove my vote. Remember DO, unless you're scum you don't know Khev's role. Just because he's attacking you doesn't mean he's scum.
Now the fact that he's ruthlessly, unflichingly, and blatantly attacking you and requesting for your speedlynch might mean he's scum. So convince me he's not right. Period. You'll notice each reply I give to you says 'vote stands'. Make it not so.
Muerrto wrote:I'm not sure Omen saying someone is 'jumpy' is as scummy as you're making it out to be. Would you lynch either me or Omen on that evidence right now? If your answer is yes I encourage you to slow down a bit. Making day 1 last as long as possible is always good for the town.
Muerrto wrote:I believe at the moment they're both just over exicted townies until I see otherwise. The point of all this WIFOM was to prove to Omen that I know we're not scum buddies and to tell him to slow down a little.
Khev needs to do the same thing and I've told him as such but unfortunately he's not listening because he's already found a scum pair. Shrug.
Muerrto wrote:Also keep in mind that since alot of people DO think Omen is scum we can watch for some heavy distancing before he's lynched. Which you're actually appearing to do at the moment. Not saying you're scum, just saying slow your roll. If Omen comes up town your shouting for a speed lynch is gonna get you strung up day 2 and if you ARE town then we'll be at a HUGE disadvantage day 3.
Muerrto wrote:I don't know. I said I don't think you are. You came off to me early and still do as an over anxious townie. Now if you continue to rush a lynch and Omen is town that may change. I also think Omen is scum which is why I'm not pursuing you, but I'm not 100% convinced like you are. It's dangerous to be that sure.
Muerrto wrote:Um...why would we know they're not scum just because they need replacing? Careful Khev. Your replacement comment earlier as Pless already pointed out sounds like you know who's going to die and who's not. So explain this very carefully to me.
Muerrto wrote:I just said I want an explanation of why he's always got some kind ofinside scoop, I've told him many times to slow down, to not set himself up as our day 2 lynch etc.
Muerrto wrote:Well first off I agree that's a pretty underhanded tactic and not in the spirit of the game. But second remember that some of the people not posting might just be lurking and not being replaced.
But your explanation(while I don't like your methods) makes sense.
Muerrto wrote:Yes Khev's pushing a lynch hardcore but look at how he's played so far. He doesn't exactly run slowly towards the brick wall. If DO's town and we lynch him then Khev will definitely smack that wall hard and if he's town also we'll screw up 2 days.
DO however has had no defense. When asked to he has simply given up and attacked lurkers and Khev. He's even hinted a power role but has also basically said(when he said he gave up) that he's not planning on RC'ing it. What is that?
If DO can give me a decent defense WITHOUT attacking someone I may remove my vote. Remember DO, unless you're scum you don't know Khev's role. Just because he's attacking you doesn't mean he's scum.
Now the fact that he's ruthlessly, unflichingly, and blatantly attacking you and requesting for your speedlynch might mean he's scum. So convince me he's not right. Period. You'll notice each reply I give to you says 'vote stands'. Make it not so.
Sigh. My post to slow down AGAIN fell a second too late as you posted these trio during my post being typed up.Khelvaster wrote:Scumtrio, in order of probabilities:
1. Muerrto
2. Nellie
3. Death_Omen
That said,unvote; I will vote for whoever reaches hammering distance first: Omen, Muerrto, or Nellie.
Well I was waiting for an ok from the mod before posting about ongoing games, and you should've too but yes. And it's hilarious. And it's kind of damning. And you should definitely link it if the mod lets you.Khelvaster wrote:EBWODP:Muerrto:If, by suspicious thing, you mean what I said on mini 474, then yes, feel free to vote me for it. I was making a post on 474, confused some stuff, and ended up voting for you in the game which you weren't participating in, then yes, I will freely admit to doing so. It was an accident.
Sigh do I have to go back and quote your posts where you no longer suspected me because I was agreeing with you? Do you ALWAYS vote only OMGUS? It's ridiculous. Hey this'll sound familiar.Khelvaster wrote:Muerrto, the vote from you is hardly surprising, and I won't fight it, since I am thouroughly convinced you are scum, so any fighting would be worthless.
death_omen wrote:It seems the town has caught up to you Khelvaster, I thought you were scum every since you randomly changed your mind and attacked me from post subject: 100 onwards.
Vote:Khelvaster
Refusing to fight a vote or not defending youself is very bad.
Well, eventually you'll realise that claiming to have found scum on page 2 is just not gonna happen. That pushing a speed lynch is a a bad scum tell. That suspecting no one except the three people that you're 100% convinced are scum doesn't help the town at all.Khelvaster wrote:Well, process of elimination dictates that Vampaneze isn't scum if the three people I really think are scum are. If D_O turns out to be a frameup but Muerrto and Nellie are scum, I would definitely take a good look at Vampaneze.
Plessiez wrote:Well, if we're ending the day (and it looks as if we are), I'd rathervote: death_omenthan lynch Khel. (Actually, I'd much rather lynch Vampaneze, but apparently people don't care about the fact he keeps mixing up who he suspects and what he thinks of them or that he contradicts himself from post to post)
I know I promised a reread on DeathSauce, too. That should - hopefully - come later today (would be nice if we didn't lynch anybody before then, too).
Agreed. I guess I just have problems with his methods and I think we're getting so bogged down discussing them that we're not making any headway. Honestly, we're at like 12 pages of nothing right now. But whatever, I'll listen to reason.Plessiez wrote:*sigh*
Muerrto, I'mreallynot happy about you voting for somebody you think is town. If you think omen is scummier, why not switch your vote? Either you'll help lynch scum (which is good), or you'll be able to show Khel his theory of an omen-Muerrto-Nelly scum team is wrong (also good, no?). I think that - if town - Khel has the potential to be more useful than omen, really (at least Khel goes after people he thinks are scum, and sometimes has better reasons to think that than "OMG, he voted for me!!").
DeathSauce wrote:Whoa, so you are prepared to hammer either Khel or Omen?Muerrto wrote: 'll vote for either one. Period. So I'll go with the whim of the town. If it helps Pless, I'm slightly sure BOTH are town but I've no other real suspiscions yet besides Sauce and that feels too OMGUS right now.
somestrangeflea wrote:Ehwut?Muerrto wrote:I'll vote for either one.
Period. So I'll go with the whim of the town. If it helps Pless,I'm slightly sure BOTH are townbut I've no other real suspiscions yet besides Sauce and that feels too OMGUS right now. And missing a lynch is always bad so I'm voting for the 2I'm most suspiscious of right at this moment.
Shrug. I spose bad choice of words. But I'd say I'm about 70% sure Khel is town and about...30-40%? sure DO is town. So I'd definitely say I'm less sure of DO because of his early RC, his giving up, his non-stop attack on Khel.somestrangeflea wrote:It was the use of the word "sure" in the original post that threw me.Muerrto wrote:And Flea, if you're saying you're 100% convinced DO is scum and that's why you're voting him then you're in the same boat as Khel. If you're NOT 100% convinced DO is scum then you're in the same boat as me. How is me saying I'm thinking they're both town any different from doubting if they're scum or not?
I still want an explanation for this Sauce if you could.Muerrto wrote:THIS is why I slightly suspect Sauce. You seem to take things I'm doing, that others are ALSO doing, and try to nail me for them. You whole basis for me being scum was that I was coaching DO. Yet you voted for ME instead of DO. How does that make sense?
Because DO is 100% convinced I'm Khel's partner and vice versa. So if either ARE scum then I'm gonna be under fire.DeathSauce wrote:No problem. My initial thought was to lynch the more experienced of the scum, that is why I voted for you. In considering the possibility that I am wrong, I decided to vote the less experienced player, in hopes that if I am wrong it is less of a detriment to the town.
Your post above about how you will be viewed as suspicious no matter who is lynched puzzles me a tad. Can you explain why you would be suspect if Khel is lynched?
Um wait a sec. Your ENTIRE case of me being scum is that I fed DO lines. NOW DO claims cop and you're saying I'm the second scummiest? But IF you believe he's a cop then we're obviously not scumbuddies and you have no case on me because I wouldn't be feeding him lines. If you DON'T believe he's the cop then why would you not vote him? Your vote for me makes no sense and definitely makes me do this.Khelvaster wrote:Anyway, I'd really like the real cop to come out d2 and investigate D_O n1. If no real cop comes out, then I suppose we happen to have the scummiest townie since Battle Mage. That said, Muerrto is my other choice for today. I've already explained why.Vote: Muerrto
This is the worst hint period. It doesn't say cop at all. I'm NOT going to vote you today because there's NEVER any reason to lynch a claimed power role unless in LYLO, but this does NOT mean I believe your claim at all.death_omen wrote:oh yea forgot to answer Khel's question:
*town alligned* *hint* *nudge*
Please read up on WIFOM before you respond again. This isn't it. You said that I was feeding my scum buddy lines. You've been 100% convinced of that since day 2. That's been your ONLY case against me.Khelvaster wrote:Wow, what a gem. This is pure WIFOM, especially after I mentioned a little while ago how you might still be scum feeding him lines to try and frame him up and make you guys seem connected. You are playing heavily on this connection, which is in fact pure WIFOM and thus useless. Also, you wouldn't know that he was cop until he claimed.Muerrto wrote: Um wait a sec. Your ENTIRE case of me being scum is that I fed DO lines. NOW DO claims cop and you're saying I'm the second scummiest? But IF you believe he's a copthen we're obviously not scumbuddies and you have no case on me because I wouldn't be feeding him lines.
Khelvaster wrote:Would you vote for a claimed cop in a closed setup without a counterclaim? I certainly wouldn't.
Khelvaster wrote:I am convinced you are scum mainly because of your repeated line-feeding and attempts to establish a link to D_O
SeraphicMirth wrote:Where'd Muerrto go?
Nelly632 wrote:Looks like we made a mistake Ladies and Gentlemen... I think today is going to be a very long day...
Nelly632 wrote:I think we have discused it long enough, he has made a RC and no one including myself is willing to take a chance on day one. KL is the only person who has came close to lynching and is scummy in everyones eyes (Including mine with the exception of my gut feeling).DeathSauce wrote:I believe that Malchonn is corect and that Khelvaster is at L-1. I suggest that no one hammer until we can discuss this cop claim further.
Hammering on my part would seem odd if I hadn't cast my vote for Khelv already and just recently changed it... I can honestly say that this gut feeling is still with me but like everyone has said "Lynching a claimed cop role is a bad move on day one" so be relatively new to this game I will go with the census and agree that D.O has saved his butt with a claim to be the cop...
Unvote: Death Omen
Vote: Kehlvaster
After 20 days and 14 pages of post I can say that I am ready to end day one and move on (Even though I wasn’t here since day one)...
Then you try to place some suspiscion on Flea for a random vote on page 1?Nelly632 wrote:I don't see how it was wrong, a RANDOM vote still counts as a vote and I simply stated that you cast a vote for Death Sauce and as far as being the only one of the two to cast a vote fo Khevlaster, well I believe that to be true also so ONCE AGAIN what am I wrong about besides not mentioning that your vote was random...
Hey Guys Flea cast a vote for Sauce but it was RANDOM!
Then DO?Nelly632 wrote:I think alot of heat should be placed on D.O right now because his role claim is what caused us to lynch Khelvaster...
Nelly632 wrote:Vote: Malchonn
I am casting a vote for Malchonn...
Nelly632 wrote:Well you are entitled to your opinion Sir... But I can assure you that you are wasting it on me... I am Townie...
Nelly632 wrote:Why vote for Malchonn is a question that is circulating right now and I am willing to answer it with no problem… As you saw earlier I gave no reason to vote Malchonn because there is no reason to vote Malchonn…
Unvote:Malchonn
One way for me to stir the pot was to place a vote on someone with no real chance of getting voted off, give no reason for the vote and then sit back and wait and see who bandwagons me… I had a lot of thoughts about who is scum and who is not but it is hard to tell the right from the wrong in day one. But my thoughts process was that SCUM would be more then willing to stick their neck out in a bandwagon on day two because if they draw attention to themselves while lynching a townie they still walk into day 3 with an advantage over the town…
Nelly632 wrote:I will give you a Role Claim right now so incase someone wants to hammer me they can do so with no hesitation (if the time comes ofcourse)…
PLAIN VANILLA TOWNIE… Nothing special going on in my part of town…
Nelly632 wrote:But anyways with all of this going through my mind I have to say that i belive D.O to be Townie regardless of what I said in the past...
Nelly632 wrote:In conclusion... I think everyone wants to know why I hammered Khelvaster without giving him a chance to ROLECLAIM...
The reason for this was simple... We had D.O close to a lynch and alot of people were convinced that he was scum.. But then he comes out and with one post and a roleclaim he turns the tide because no one wanted to vote for a claimed cop role... So then we all turn to Khelvaster and get him close to a lynch and then someone says "Wait and let him roleclaim"...
Now what i was thinking was, he comes out and claims to be the Vigilante (He double checks his PM and sees the mistake) so now he makes this claim and everyone says "Oh well I dont want to lynch a claimed Vigilante role on day one" so then we go back to square one and lets say we all jumped on Vampy and then he got close to a lynch and then he claimed to be the Doc and we all stoep back and say "I dont want to lynch a claimed doc role on the first day"...
You see what I am saying, we had no real way of knowing if someone is telling the truth so I took it upon myself to hammer him...
Nelly632 wrote:Muerrto: I have to say that this person is very good at his job if he is infact scum... He talked so much that he made me believe that he was townie but as of right now I honestly think that his talking was a ploy to make him seem like town... I think everyone believes scum sits back and waits so he took a opposite approach and spoke so much that anyone who is watching would say that he cant be scum...
Nelly632 wrote:On that same note if I was scum why in the hell would I stick my ass out there and hammer someone! Knowing that this would put my name on the tip of everyones tongue on day two!
Nelly632 wrote:Anyways I hope this explains alot... I am not going to sit here and defend attacks from people so unless you have a question for me you will not receive a answer...
There were quite a few questions in there. Did you bother to read it?Nelly632 wrote:Any questions in there Muerrto or would you like to just continue to take what I say and attempt to bury me?