Mini 1767: Innocent Unless Actually Guilty {Over!}

[kirroha]

/confirm

[kirroha]

VOTE: AlwaysInnocent

Not always, surely!

[kirroha]

In that case, kirroha, don't vote me, because I am weak and vulnerable too. Voting me causes me intense pain.

Then bear the pain you shall!

[kirroha]

I'm happy with my vote on kirroha for now since she didn't react to the scum claim

I never bother too much with RVS joke WIFOMs. They're a little pointless to discuss.

[kirroha]

You could also ask why would a typically nervous and cautious survivalistic scum make such a silly joke in the middle of RVS to attract attention.

So yeah, pointless to discuss that WIFOM imo. I'm not inclined to take that as a read in any direction.

[kirroha]

I'm happy with my vote on kirroha for now since she didn't react to the scum claim

Do you think the scum claim is an indication of Golden Robster being scum or town? Or null?

What do you think personally about the scum claim then, AI? If you're asking about it, then I guess you must have some thoughts of your own?

[kirroha]

There seem to be two wagons right now. One is because

someone thought AlwaysInnocent seemed sus, which I respect as a reasonable day 1 move

, but the wagon on GoldenRobster seems whimsical ... Could KainTepes, TheCow, and emogirl123 explain why they jumped on?

Until then, I'll VOTE: KainTepes.

Uhhhh....

Kazaman/AlwaysInnocent scum team anyone?

[kirroha]

VOTE: Kazaman

On the chance that AI isn't scum, Kazaman would probably still be. That post quoted above just hits so many wrong notes with me, not to mention the sudden vote on the wagon starter who also happens to have a pretty jokey ISO, instead of the subsequent ones who jumped onto the wagon.

[kirroha]

Shouldn't lol wagons always be sussed? They're a good way for town to get information, but they're also an easy way for scum to pick a lynch early in the game.

I've never ever seen a lol wagon go through in a game, ever. What were you afraid of?

[kirroha]

All aboard the Kazaman wagon

Let's make this a reality

[kirroha]

What's a banana?

I've been around since 2009. It's safe to say that I ain't BBT.

[kirroha]

(Don't talk about ongoing games please)

Oh, not British born. Thought you were asking if I was BBT's alt or something.

Not a banana. More like a cheesecake.

Anyway get on Kazaman pls Robster

[kirroha]

Normally I'm inclined to start off thinking of all slightly scummy posts from a newbie from a newbtown angle first for the benefit of doubt, but Kazaman's Kain-voting post was just too newbscummy for me to not vote him.

There seem to be two wagons right now. One is because someone thought AlwaysInnocent seemed sus, which I respect as a reasonable day 1 move, but the wagon on GoldenRobster seems whimsical ... Could KainTepes, TheCow, and emogirl123 explain why they jumped on?

Until then, I'll VOTE: KainTepes.

There's just something that feels so wrong with this one. Identifying wagons to seem active, generalising both wagons, avoiding the AlwaysInnocent one with that very strange justification - 'respect as a reasonable day 1 move' and questioning people on the Robster wagon, only to vote for the wagon starter rather than any of the wagon jumpers - and the wagon starter just happens to be rather yelly (and generally ignored in this game) so he is less likely to retaliate against that vote in a way that would turn the town's attention to Kazaman.

I also find it weird that Kain subsequently voted for both me and Dwlee who are on Kazaman's wagon. If I am to assume a Kain/Kazaman scumteam, it'll make sense why Kazaman would choose to vote Kain first (voting for a scumbuddy = less likely to get backlash from him than voting for town), and Kain subsequently tried to 'defend' Kazaman by voting both me and Dwlee.

[kirroha]

His reason for voting KainTepes was because KainTepes was on Golden Robster's wagon, which Kazaman found whimsical.

What I don't get is why specifically Kain, the wagon starter. Which makes me think that the vote is because Kain is the easiest vote to get away with.

[kirroha]

Kaza/Golden/Kain actually makes a lot of sense.

[kirroha]

I like alwaysinnocent as town from our recent exchange, why do you think he's scum?

The general detached posts he makes feel wrong to me, so I'll be checking his meta in a bit. I have bigger fish to fry, though. Mainly Kazaman.

[kirroha]

Does nobody else other than me see how problematic Kazaman's Kain-voting post was?

[kirroha]

Does nobody else other than me see how problematic Kazaman's Kain-voting post was?

no because at the moment i'm not making sense of what kain is doing. let's lynch him and go from there.

Don't mind a Kain lynch either but Kazaman seems more obvscum to me.

[kirroha]

I have no idea how to read Kain. Part of me wants to say that I can't really see scum trying to draw attention to themselves like this, but...

Regardless, Kazaman's vote on Kain was super shifty. Let's see what he has to say about that.

[kirroha]

I don't feel like pushing the Kain matter for now.

Kazaman come in and answer please. Why is your vote still on Kain?

[kirroha]

He might be grounds for a policy. But we don't need a policy lynch when there are scummier people out there.

[kirroha]

Less talking, more voting on Kazaman. The slowness at which this wagon is picking up even though many seem to agree that he's kind of scummy is giving me a good feeling about this potential wagon.

[kirroha]

Or maybe I'm force pushing a clear scumread and getting him to post more.

Nobody's interested in joining this wagon but I'm not moving. It had nothing to do with him avoiding 2 major wagons and everything to do with him voting for someone he thinks he can get away with and with flimsy justification.

[kirroha]

You've got a point. Might as well move along.

VOTE: AlwaysInnocent

Back on the flighty guy before I get more reads.

[kirroha]

Emogirl feels like town

Trying to substantiate this read but it's 1am here and I'm a drunk college student so maybe later

[kirroha]

I find is very odd that both Kazaman and AlwaysInnocent got lurk-replaced right after I speculated the possibility of them being a scumteam. And I can't even get answers from Kaza's replacement regarding why he voted for Kain because well, he got replaced. I'm not liking this one bit. Not to mention:

ol looking at this games name and Always Innocent being in the game, what if his slot is scum? Lol, that would be hilarious.

I continue to not feel very good about the Kazaman slot. Will be okay with either Mirhawk or a Firebringer lynch at this point.

VOTE: Firebringer

[kirroha]

Looks like the bigger wagon is on Mirhawk atm so I'm happy to switch, but I'm going to tally up the votes first.

[kirroha]

Meh, Kain is mostly null but judging from his meta I'm just going to peg him as newbtownlean for now. He's just incredibly hard to read and I don't feel like focusing on him atm, but if you guys want to lynch him at deadline I'll be happy to join.

Golden pings me town. Not too sure so far regarding emogirl's focus on what may just be a VI townie, but I see the point with some of her reads.

CAPROLE

???

Crumb, or just random word?

[kirroha]

I read Kain's games, but I can't talk about them I guess since they all seem to be ongoing.

But basically what I kind of get from them doesn't really strike Kain any particular way with me. You're right though in a way - now that I think of it his actions are all kinds of bizarre. It's also weird how he voted both people on Kazaman's wagon (when Kazaman voted him), when I think judging by his actions before it'll seem more likely for him to vote for the one voting him (he seems to have a history of OMGUSing) instead of the ones voting someone else. The fact that he essentially ignored Kazaman's vote on him but apparently still recognised Kazaman's existence enough to vote for both people on his wagon was all kinds of strange.

So I won't mind voting him but I like Firebringer better for a lynch. What do you think?

[kirroha]

Firebringer and Mirhawk are obv scumbuddies guys.

Can we just lynch one of them today.

[kirroha]

yessiree is probably town. Kain is null/just weird but I don't want to lynch him when there are better candidates out there. If he's scum he's bound to slip up sooner or later. His behaviour is anti-town but not indicative, because he seems to always act like that.

[kirroha]

EVERYONE LYNCH KIIROHA

Kain pls

[kirroha]

AI/Mirhawk is still scum. Please vote him or Firebringer.

[kirroha]

Firebringer wagon is just as big as Mirhawk wagon atm

If all the voters from one wagon moves to the other, we can lynch scum.

[kirroha]

How are you guys not seeing that yesiree is scum.

That vote switch was terrible. Despite his solid scumread on me, and despite the fact that I am a way more viable wagon than bitten, he switches to her for bad phrasing.

VOTE: YESIREE

Uhhh.

[kirroha]

I thought about that for a while, but Kain does this in every game he's in. He can't be scum in all of them surely. Besides, even if Kain is scum, I can't see this as being a calculated decision by him.

In any case, he's the low-hanging fruit. Emogirl, vote Firebringer with me.

[kirroha]

Yeah okay onto the Mirhawk wagon I go then.

VOTE: Mirhawk

Since Firebringer isn't gaining any traction but I'm good with either lynch.

[kirroha]

Vote Mirhawk emogirl

[kirroha]

Why is this happening

[kirroha]

Guys seriously

[kirroha]

I'm not voting for anyone apart from Mirhawk and Firebringer. I am almost absoposilutely sure they are scum together. That first post made by Kazaman where he voted Kain was so immensely clear, and I know this because it is something I've done before the exact same way as newbscum in 2009. I'm not willing to look at anyone else today.

[kirroha]

What makes you think they are innocent?

[kirroha]

Emogirl shoot kain tonight. Or firebringer.

[kirroha]

UNVOTE: MIRHAWK!!!!!!

Scumbuddy?

[kirroha]

At least this shit of a day is ending, not confident at all this will be a scum flip.

Mirhawk's other scumbuddy.

Come on guys. It's pretty obvious Mirhawk is going to flip scum, even if you only judge him by his twilight actions.

[kirroha]

VOTE: Firebringer

Nothing alarming. Lynch him asap.

[kirroha]

Hmmm interesting.
VOTE: Nosferatu

Lol

[kirroha]

Well at least we know now if Firebringer flips scum, which he most likely will, Kain is relatively cleared at least for now.

If there is a doctor I suggest that they direct their attention onto Kain.

[kirroha]

VOTE: Firebringer
Another game I am out of.

Good luck town, you need it.
I suggest reading more into Nosferatu, possibly dwlee. Those are my strongest scum reads at the moment.

You're already hammered. No point faking town now.

[kirroha]

Seriously? Firebringer are you actually town?

[kirroha]

Holy shit what's going on

[kirroha]

I was like almost 100% sure you were buddies with Mirhawk.

[kirroha]

If Firebringer flips town then we are naturally lynching Kain tomorrow for that atrocious fakeclaim.

[kirroha]

Okay we're in twilight so you have to give us all the information you have.

Firebringer what's your role exactly?

[kirroha]

Wait so Firebringer *is* scum, right?

[kirroha]

That clears Kain then.

[kirroha]

What does that mean? Are you hinting that Kain might be your scumbuddy?

[kirroha]

Yeah. Dwlee tomorrow?

[kirroha]

I don't understand Firebringer. The best course of action for scum to take after being hammered is to be quiet and not say anything else.

Why is he giving us his "scumreads"? For WIFOM?

[kirroha]

Though honestly though, I think Kain is cleared at this point. The posts he made after he hammered do sound like an excited newbie cop hammering a guilty result and afterwards getting upset because people were giving him flack for quickhammering.

[kirroha]

Dwlee or Cow tomorrow.

[kirroha]

Seriously Kain.

[kirroha]

Meh, I think I believe Kain. emogirl still town though.

VOTE: Bitten

Let's start somewhere.

[kirroha]

I've seen Kain play enough to kind of tell that his newbcop behaviour D2 was genuine.
He was consistent with his scumread on me (though I don't get that).

How do you know yessiree is town?

[kirroha]

Though I agree there's no harm in lynching him

[kirroha]

I'm Town 5-shot Bulletproof Miller Fruit Vendor.

[kirroha]

Ohh yeah I hardcore bussed both my scumbuddies and I was actually the godfather all along yup that's totally it

[kirroha]

Intent

[kirroha]

Shouldn't we wait for a claim though.

Don't wanna hammer when he doesn't know what hit him.

[kirroha]

Not sure if that's the best idea. If more people think I should just hammer than I will.

[kirroha]

Don't make me vote you Dwlee

[kirroha]

Don't make me vote you Dwlee

I'm a mason. lol?

I will vote you anyways

[kirroha]

[kirroha]

Lol

[kirroha]

I underestimated Kain's bullshitting skills and townread him for it.

[kirroha]

VOTE: dwlee as promised

[kirroha]

Wow I just realised I only ever voted for the mafia

[kirroha]

What the hell was with Kain's fake inno on me though.

[kirroha]

Nooo it was me!!!

[kirroha]

Yeah emo was right all along

[kirroha]

So apart from masons and a backup (and mafia vanilla cop) are there any other real PRs?

[kirroha]

Especially since there's also a 5-shot bulletproof miller fruit vendor in the running

[kirroha]

I want to see mafia chat badly

Lol

This.

Mod please show us this it's killing me.

[kirroha]

This game was hilarious in hindsight, like seriously - it mostly involved scum attempting to convince those on their wagons to vote their scumbuddies instead, and failing.

How is Kain the last scum to survive?

[kirroha]

WE NEED TO KILL KIRROAH TONIGHT

SHE KNOWS TOO MUCH???? SHE GUESSED KAZAMAN AND ALWAYS INNOCENT???? WE CANT HAVE HER ALIVE