Mini 1782 Game Over

[Lowell]

god will this mod ever shut up about posting in pre-game. geez, dad.

[Lowell]

There's a lot of people here I can't wait to lynch. And I assume that works in reverse! Wooo this game!

[Lowell]

can we policy lynch kaintepes?

Well, clearly we CAN, the question is whether we SHOULD. Or whether it'd just be fun to do for the lulz I guess

Thanks, coach.

pre-vote smith

Come, sheeple.

[Lowell]

VOTE: roshar

This guy is barely holding it together and we've just started. Come do this with me and watch this poor rube flail. His ISO reeks of careful scum... already, somehow.

Also clumsy's ham-handed "omg how many scum are there guyz" is the worst fake-townslip I've seen in a while. which is saying something.

maverick is town.

[Lowell]

Also

fos smith

. oof, don't think i've forgotten this disasterpiece. he's an asskisser this game and defender of the meek, plain and simple, and I don't like it. Also as soon as someone says the phrase "reaction test" I want to dayvig them anyway. so this will work out fine. Less talk, more reckless lynching, please. come, sheeple, and vote.

[Lowell]

RC is town.

FA is meh.

[Lowell]

RC is town.

FA is meh.

fight me!

I don't put on my fighting gloves for a 'meh.' you wait your turn. I've got nothing but time, mon amie. On verra.

[Lowell]

I play by gut, man, and my gut says you're town. What few posts you've made I've liked. I commented on RC and FA because they're the only ones talking.

[Lowell]

Also I don't usually explain things like this. It bores me. If you weren't town I wouldn't have. Now leave me alone and be chatty somewhere else.

[Lowell]

rosh is fine now. done with him.

smith's 351 looks like a try-hard filler post after he got called out for lurking. what i can do in one charismatic and awesome sentence he takes a text-wall to do. except he still does nothing.

VOTE: smith

[Lowell]

also,

@mod

, I philosophically object to eliminating "nearly" identical posts.

If I remember correctly, the only difference between the two was whether or not a quote tag was included. Nothing content-wise was different about the posts. Nonetheless, if this is still not something you want me to do, then you may pm me again and I will not do so.
~Ircher

[Lowell]

lowell gives townreads like oprah gives cars

Damn you and your sick burn. Goddam your beautiful mind.

[Lowell]

I'm feeling a little better about FA and a little worse about RC. But you're still town.

[Lowell]

Jake is town, farmer is town. I'm back up to 'meh' on smith.

VOTE: nos

I like this idea. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice... something something... you DONT GET FOOLED AGAIN.

I'd also be up for a lurker hunt, if we have the time for it. Frankly I don't have a lot of bad vibes from anyone yet, so I'm clearly missing something. Either I'm wrong (impossible!) or one or more of the lurkers is scum.

[Lowell]

I've totally lost the trail in this game. Hell.

[Lowell]

Growing scumlean on Jake. Normally I consider brashness to be a town tell, but I'm getting a bit of a panic-vibe.

[Lowell]

It's going to be sweet vindication if this Nos wagon (finally) gains steam and s/he flips scum. Then we'll see who's oprah!!*

I'm also interested in lynching clumsy. Read in ISO, in particular, he pings all my scum sirens. He discussed RVS, generates conversation on unrelated material (age of players!?), makes comments about how things are "weird" without offering any insight, and only posts meaningful content when responding to votes against him.

* fighting words

[Lowell]

Jake v FA is town v town, I'm pretty sure. And also unhelpful in that this thread is getting hard to read. DON'T KILL THE MESSENGER, GUYS! I'm just saying-- if I were scum trying to hide right now I'd be happy.

So is this nos wagon dead? If it is let's vote clumsy. Do something is what I'm saying.

[Lowell]

VOTE: jake

I'm happy with a policy lynch here for the sake of civility. For what it's worth, I don't have much of a read either way on him, but if I had to guess I'm slightly leaning town. Maybe 40% scum? Good enough.

[Lowell]

I'll be out for the weekend. Which is a mercy.

[Lowell]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: clumsy

[Lowell]

shameless prod dodging. apologies.

[Lowell]

I had to do a double take here because it feels like I recognize none of the players anymore. Am I in the right thread?

[Lowell]

Clumsy is still the way to go here, gang. Try reading his posts in ISO and determining what his opinions are. I dare you.

[Lowell]

Anyone who asks things like "is this a pressure vote, or a lynch vote" is inherently suspicious, IMO.

Also congrats to clumsy on almost having an opinion a few posts ago. Big move.

[Lowell]

Someone hammer, please.

[Lowell]

Typically we see notice of intent to hammer, along with an explicit role claim (or lack thereof). Any reason we need to quickhammer here?

You and I have different definitions of quickhammer, guy.

[Lowell]

Someone hammer, please.

Why are you in such a rush to end the discussion Lowell? Don't want the replacements to get caught up?

So this is what you're trying now? GL to you.

[Lowell]

No one cares.

[Lowell]

Titus or Nos-- kill clumsy please.

[Lowell]

Thanks for your concern. I'll be fine.

[Lowell]

Titus or Nos-- kill clumsy please.

Why those two specifically?

Lowell when you get back this would be nice actually

You're two who I sort of am familiar with and who aren't voting clumsy. Really I don't care who does it.

[Lowell]

Well, I didn't get to finish, and I'm on the road now. From what I have, I didn't like APF and RC. Titus hasn't been doing much after the replacement, and that seems sus. She did say it was work and sickness though. Hope you get to feeling better Titus. I'm feeling better about Rosh, and while Lowell is annoying, not sure if actually scummy. Looking into that might be good though.

I like Max for town as well. I'm starting to get a slight feeling that Froot is coasting a bit, but nothing too big. Could be playstyle?

Really need Huntress in here. And the other two replacements when they get here. Ugh.

This guy. What even is any of this.

[Lowell]

Mostly out this weekend. Will try to catch up. Probably won't miss anything.

[Lowell]

Lot of new people. Oof, it's like starting over. I'll get to this hopefully later today.

[Lowell]

Eh it's going to take more than a 47-page, go-nowhere first day to get me to flake, bub. At some point I'll be here to kill it. Just maybe not right now.

[Lowell]

I'm not really paying attention. Terrible, yes. But it could be worse, I could be one of those idiots not voting or voting for non-lead wagons.

A quick ISO through max: I'm fine with that lynch if it comes to it. I don't see what redeeming clumsy qualities huntress sees, but whatever.

[Lowell]

Nah dudes I'm way better than this as scum. Relax, Nos, and vote clumsy or max.

[Lowell]

I'm with this thinking, and I take the blame.

VOTE: max

[Lowell]

@froot, re: questions- either I ignored them because they're dumb or I forgot. remind me what you asked.

[Lowell]

On phone, basically prod dodging until wed. If there's anything desperate I'll respond, otherwise give me a day or so.

[Lowell]

@froot- I see 1287. I'll get to it, but lookjs like it can all wait a day since its mostly just noise.

[Lowell]

Just back in the office--have about 10 minutes today, will get to the bulk tomorrow.

@1287 - I don't have the read list offhand. I haven't really been paying attention D2 so I couldn't do it justice with new players anyway. As for jumping on seemingly all the wagons? well, yeah, I like wagons. Particularly D1. I'm not of the opinion that voting early and often is a bad play, and there are a lot of people I'd be willing to lynch.

Also, all votes on my are opportunistic as hell. There's the scum trying to score an easy mislynch type, and there's the townie "well, I don't know wtf is happening but at least if I vote Lowell I'll be able to hem and haw afterwards about how unhelpful he was and I won't take the blame." Make sure if you're voting me you're the first type-- I'll take care of them.

[Lowell]

@1287 - I'm not going to embed the whole thing here, it's hard on the eyes and doesn't warrant a repost.

1- Saying "this is a pressure vote" or "is this a pressure vote?" are both bad. All votes are equal, and trying to push for a distinction is just another way to say "oh, so can I just completely ignore this vote?" Even if someone is just pressuring (which is stupid and bad), calling them out on it undermines the vote.

2- current reads--- no idea. will do this later.

3- what do I think of clumsy? well he's dead. What I definitely don't like is roshar's half-assed "oh gosh guys I don't know, maybe he's scummy, I'm not sure... hmm let me ask.... [looks up lead engineer of clumsy wagon].... LOWELL, what do you think?" He knew what I thought, clumsy is literally the only thing I talked about yesterday. Rosh wanted the wagon to move, he just didn't want to take the blame for it.

4- nos vote was based on tone, and the fact that I read him so poorly last game I didn't want to miss it again.

5- re: voting all wagons. Yep, I did that.

6- re: clumsy's bitterness towards me. Sure, I can see that.

[Lowell]

Read his post. He talks about all the reasons clumsy "might" be scum and his suspicions. Instead of voting, he turns to me, arbitrarily, at the end to find out what I think of clumsy.

Why me? Because he damn well knows what I'm going to say, which is "HELLS YEAH LET'S LYNCH CLUMSY!" Why would he ask one of the only people who actually HAD a known opinion about a player to comment on that player? So that the case could be emphasized (again) and he wouldn't have to do it.

[Lowell]

VOTE: rosh

Boom. Scum.

[Lowell]

And excuse me if I'm not extremely confident in my scum reads. Not everyone plays the game like you do, Lowell. Excuse me if I like to get fresh input on the main wagon (esp after Clumsy had new posts). What is the point of asking players already on the wagon for their recent feedback? Their vote already is on Clumsy. The only logical reason is to see if they've changed their opinions after Clumsy's recent posting. So how the hell is this pushing the Clumsy wagon?

Nice try, but no. It's not that you wanted "fresh input." If you had, you would have asked someone who hadn't already weighed in. You asked me specifically because you

already knew

my view on clumsy and wanted me to be my typical bombastic self and move the wagon forward so you wouldn't have to.

[Lowell]

No but seriously if I were scum I definitely would have killed Nos. So yeah she's right about that.

But anyway, I'm not, and didn't, and actually the fact that she thought about this in this way says more about her scumminess than mine.

[Lowell]

Not very keen on Lowells push on Rosh for asking him about his stance on clumsy. It feels like he is misrepresenting rosh and it is a rather weak reason. It does not help that he makes the proclamation rosh is scum and then does not continue to engage with rosh after he responds. Rather, he posts that he would have killed Nos if he were scum. Why go there and ignore Rosh's push back?

No but seriously if I were scum I definitely would have killed Nos. So yeah she's right about that.

But anyway, I'm not, and didn't, and actually the fact that she thought about this in this way says more about her scumminess than mine.

Why?

Why you 'definitely would have killed Nos?' This statement really does not make sense.

VOTE: lowell

Eh, what can I say. I was feeling truthful at the moment.

Still, try to see through the awkwardness of it and to my obvtowniness. I know this is asking a lot. Be strong here.

[Lowell]

@rosh - I thought Nos being NKd was the basis of the case against me. I figured I'd help you along. But whatever.

[Lowell]

@titus- I don't understand the "max is flailing scum" here. I don't see it. And I almost always think everyone is flailing.

Can we get a lynch here or what. rosh is correct, but I'll pretty much lynch anyone save for titus, huntress, APL, and maybe one or two others I'm forgetting right now.

[Lowell]

On a brief beach trip, on my phone. When I get back tomorrow I'm hammering. Enough yammering, now hammering.

[Lowell]

Had to ISO myself to remember what's going on.

VOTE: rosh I don't remember if there's a reason this never gained steam. But look, she's a try-hard, trying hard to look like she's participating.

Slight scumlean on titus as well. Townreads on johnny and huntress. And also I'm sure there's other players.

[Lowell]

townreads also on garmr and smith.

[Lowell]

I see myself in her. By which I mean, quick hit posts, minimal explanation, maximum effect and clear reads on players. She's not over-explainy like you try-hards.

[Lowell]

^^^ this is the kind of question that makes me think you're not actually trying, but just trying to look like you are.

[Lowell]

I care very little of your read on me and I am not going to divert this issue. You seem to forget that you also are being sorted.

I'm going to ask you to answer that question again.

LOL okay. Stay strong.

[Lowell]

I told you what I thought of huntress... this is a clown quesiton, bro. Stop buddying rosh, you're going to look foolish.

Also FA is town. Not sure if I mentioned that before.

[Lowell]

@Huntress, if you think I look worse than Rosh, why are you voting her? I mean, I

don't

look worse than rosh, who is obvscum, but if you believe so...

Also I'm happy to jump to titus. I think rosh is probably killable any time but titus strikes me as the type of player who will only get stronger as the game moves on.

[Lowell]

The missus left me with the kids this weekend. I'll try to be around, but meh, we'll see.

[Lowell]

I believe Roshar's claim because it doesn't make sense for her to come out like that as scum, and if she was faking it to get the lynch on me she would have claimed cop or something similar. It also explains why I got no result last night.

Claim: Watcher

Night 1, I watched Johnny and was told he wasn't visited by anyone.
Night 2, I watched FAQ and was told I had no result.

This defies all reason. VOTE: huntress

[Lowell]

Did I?

Well, there was no kill, so her claim is BS. Or rosh's is. Either way, one of them is lying.

[Lowell]

And I believe the "even/odd night" aspect of rosh's more than the huntress "here's a convenient claim that doesn't dispute rosh but exonerates me" claim.

Meh, no guts no glory. Let's have some fun and kill some chumps.

[Lowell]

Also in case I'm NKed (LOLOLOLOLOL), if huntress flips scum titus is her partner. Wanted more time to rolefish, is my guess.

[Lowell]

So you agree the huntress claim is garbage, then, right?

[Lowell]

Let's tangle, scum.

[Lowell]

I don't at all remember what's happening this game. Other than I owned some chump's fakeclaim.

[Lowell]

Had to ISO myself to remember what was happening.

Rosh is town, because there's no way that claim/fakeclaim with huntress was an orchestrated bussing. I don't quite see johnny calls Froot town. And I

certainly

don't see why, if he is so cavalier in calling froot town based on kills, he somehow wants to pretend I'm "up in the air."

Here's a tried and true way to catch scum. If, at any point in the game, Lowell becomes obvtown, try to find the person saying "hmm he may be town but gosh I just don't know yet, we'll see." That's the person whose plan to string me along for the easy mislynch was foiled and can't quite accept it.

VOTE: johnny

Also, fwiw,

fos titus

. I'm going to be right about her. You'll see. Even if it's from beyond the grave.

[Lowell]

Dammit, rosh, try harder. Jesus I'm obvtown.

[Lowell]

^^^ which is why you should vote him

[Lowell]

... and, I now see, already are. touche.

/hides

[Lowell]

I owe this game some attention. I'll get to it.

In the meantime, there was a question (from titus, maybe?) about my behavior towards huntress. Look, there's no way to spin this other than I hammered her shitty-ass claim before it could do damage and cause anyone else to counter. You can call that bussing or WIFOM all you want, but there's no way you come out of that interaction with me, in any plausible sense, being scum. someone made this point already, but I'll make it for myself. I'd happily vote for Titus if this johnny wagon isn't going to take off. But now that I'm on it, i have to say I'm intrigued to see it move.

[Lowell]

V/LA unexpectedly until Tuesday. Sorry!

[Lowell]

still without internet today. SHOULD have it tomorrow. give me a day or give me death.

no but really give me a day.

[Lowell]

Just spent all morning catching up on my other game. I have to actually do work so this will have to wait one day more. It's my last game, I promise I'll do it!

[Lowell]

@Froot,

You just gathered a collection of posts and said scum had to know. That's besides the point anyway. My point is scum wanted to draw a claim to see Roshar's role. There's no way scum deduced his role in there and you trying to fit that read is absurd.

I do think Lowell's tactic along with others not voting Huntress does draw out the claim. Scum wouldn't want to be seen attacking Roshar, but get a claim out regardless.

Town cases are not fabricated. Roshar just had evidence his case was right.

Max was lynched day 2. Look at who he voted and tunnelled...Huntress. Scum have been playing to try to lynch the smarter players in the room.

This seems to be the case against me, so far as I can tell. I don't understand any of it.

First, I don't apologize for sniffing out huntress' obvscum claim. rosh's clearly looked real, and huntress' did not. it was that easy. Prior to the claims, I had rosh as scum and huntress as town. So your point is I was wrong about that? what do I have to gain from waiting for her to claim, then quickhammering before it can draw any reactions, if I'm scum? Some sort of half-assed bus? I don't think so.

[Lowell]

@plain, can you summarize the heur case for me? I have a townlean on him but I don't remember why. I'm curious what you see that I don't.

Right now I'd still take johnny over titus, but I'll vote titus if I need to.

Townreads on APL and FL, the latter of which I believe is new.

[Lowell]

VOTE: titus

I'll be around again briefly about 14 hours from now, but I'll miss the last six hours or so before deadline. I don't want to risk a no-lynch here, so if it has to be titus, so be it. If I come back and johnny has votes I'll do that too.

[Lowell]

VOTE: heur LOLHAMMER!

Titus' claim is meh for me, honestly. But absent a counter I'll go with it. If true, there are worse things than losing an even-night doc.

[Lowell]

I'm here, fat fingering phone.

@rosh, I hate to say this, because i want to be right about Titus scum, but doesn't the way you set this up pretty much guarantee a scum no kill last night, given your every other night role claim?

[Lowell]

Will try to check in again before tues, but no promises.

[Lowell]

I'm back.

@titus- twice now I've hammered scum, once after a claim that could have called out other claims had it been allowed to fester. If I were bussing, why wouldn't I have done it harder? Also, why would I bus TWICE, as probably in general the least-credible player? If there was some sort of "O LOL let's double bus, sacrificing two out of three of us!" plan, why would it make any sense to have ME be the one that survives. You can call all that WIFOM, I guess, but can you really say you think that's what's happening?

[Lowell]

I accept titus' compliment, but not her conclusion.

[Lowell]

VOTE: FA_Q2

Shamelessly sheeping APL here. Out of curiousity I ISO'd FA and it is indeed bad.

At this point I don't really think titus is the one we're looking for. This could all be a show, but her exasperation with me (as unfounded as it is) seems genuine. If I'm wrong, good on her. That, plus the fact that I keep saying TITUS MUST DIE and never get NK'd for it, despite being hot poison for the scumteam so far.

[Lowell]

Well that vote convinces me it's not APF at least. Not titus, not APF, not Rosh.

That leaves me johnny, FA, and froot... and I doubt it's froot.

[Lowell]

Also I'll laugh/cry if it is Titus now that I've cleared her. She'll be all "LOLOL you guys even blocked me and I still won LOLOLOLOL"

[Lowell]

Titus, drop it. Just for fun, make your second case. You're wrong about me and I'm not taking the blame bc "omg well he was so scummy u guyz"

[Lowell]

I hammered the shit out of two scums already, there's no case on me at all, and you're tunneling. It's fine if I die, I never make it this far anyway, but please cast a wider net here, at least for now.

[Lowell]

Lowell being a flaky bitch like he usually is, his only way to even look town is to bus hard. He did that twice, and is now spewing that he should be townread because of it. I don't like it.

Rosh you're not wrong about that possibility, but it's ridiculous. If you're scum you deserve to win because that amount of play shows so much forethought and cunning that I can't actually imagine many players pulling it off with the success that you have.

Oh shit it's johnny after all.

[Lowell]

I 100% buy rosh's claim, and now maybe 80% buy titus'.

[Lowell]

I think if Titus could have kept me alive she might have had a chance. By the end I was all-in on her as town. WTF I'm terrible at this.