Mini 1789: Puppy Mafia! (GAME OVER)

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VOTE: Zulfy

Scum.

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We're off to a great start.

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Did you really just call me out for lack of contribution when we're not even 24 hours in?

I don't care about your and Firebringer discussion. Discussing the definition of WIFOM is irrelevant. I liked your reaction to beeboy's claim.
I'm not sure I believe his claim. If he is telling the truth I do not agree with him claiming. I'd like to hear from DRK now.

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Tons of game related stuff? Not really.

The only thing that happened was the mason claim and considering it was during rvs it could be a joke or just an easy way to get us out of rvs. I don't have an opinion on the claim until I know whether it was a joke or not, which I assume DRK will confirm so I'm waiting for her to show up.

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Papermaker, what exactly do you mean by disingenuous?
That's really vague, please explain.

I'm also not sure why you think I vanished considering you called me out yesterday but oh well.

Anyway, thanks for confirming DRK. I'm inclined to believe the claim, since it would be a terrible play as scum.
There is absolutely no way they should get lynched today though, so I'm honestly a bit surprised to see votes on beeboy.

I don't get the scumreads on Dwlee99. Dislike Heat's response to him.

Wait - people who voted dwlee still haven't explained why? There's got to be at least 1 mafia in there, let's see who's voting him...

>Zulfy
>Heat

Please explain. Why do you think there has to be at least 1 mafia? And just to be certain, does this mean that you find Zulfy and Heat suspicious? Firebringer and and DRK voted on him as well. I can understand why you left DRK out but I'm not entirely sure why you didn't mention Firebringer.

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You do realise my vote is on Zulfy, right? Why do you find him suspicious?

And are you implying that I didn't just share my thoughts? I don't get the Dwlee99 wagon, simple as that. I'm not sure I agree with the conclusion that people not explaining their reasons for voting are scummy, but you could argue it's anti town though.

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Oh it's great. I've had a busy couple of months so didn't have time to play unfortunately. How about you?

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Yeah, I think the reason why heat is playing the way he is is because the guy appears to be playing like five games at once.

How did you know this by the way, did you check? In that case did you check anyone else?

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Well, why shouldn't you care about? It doesn't matter if I voted on him during rvs considering I still haven't moved it.

On another note trying to get the claimed mason lynched day 1 is dumb and you know it's not going to happen.

I assume this wasn't aimed at me.

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By the way Dunnstral, how come you mentioned Heat and Zulfy (and not Firebringer), when you claimed you didn't find Heat suspicious in #177. Does this mean that you find him suspicious now?

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@Dunnstral, of course I am to question you when I don't really understand what you're doing.
You're leaving out Firebringer because you don't care about him, so I assumed that meant you thought he was town but you claim it isn't.
In that case I guess it means he is a null read, but you claimed Heat is a null read as well so I just don't understand why you'd mention Heat and not Firebringer but oh well.

Whoops. Forgot to unvote.

Please answer my question.

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Hey sorry for not being around, had a really busy weekend. Will catch up later or tomorrow.

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This is going nowhere. Is heat at l1? I swear if nothing keeps happening I'm just going to hammer.

??? What, why would you even consider this

Why wouldn't he?

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By the way Dunnstral, are you an alt?

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I have to be honest I think that was a really bad play.
When you initially claimed I said I thought you were doing it for reaction test (mainly DRK's reaction), but DRK decided to confirm it.
Let's assume you're town for a moment beeboy, then what if DRK is scum? What did you achieve? Scum faking reactions since they know you're lying?
Or what if you're mafia?

But maybe I've missed something you didn't. I'd like to know what you learned.

No I'm not why

So are you a new player then? And the reason I'm asking is because I honestly find you rather suspicious, but it's possible you are just a new player then, but even in that case I'm not entirely sure I understand the hard town reads on you.

And you really have to ask me why fun hammering without asking for claims on a random guy isn't a good idea? Trivium wasn't even saying ANYTHING about heat and suddenly he shows up saying he'll hammer, seems legit

Yes I have to ask because I have no idea where you were going with this. So let me rephrase my question. Do you think it is a scummy?

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Failed quotes, sorry I'll fix them:

No I'm not why

So are you a new player then? And the reason I'm asking is because I honestly find you rather suspicious, but it's possible you are just a new player then, but even in that case I'm not entirely sure I understand the hard town reads on you.

And you really have to ask me why fun hammering without asking for claims on a random guy isn't a good idea? Trivium wasn't even saying ANYTHING about heat and suddenly he shows up saying he'll hammer, seems legit

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I town-read Dunnstral.

Why?

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Actually, to get things going I'll do this

UNVOTE: Zulfy
VOTE: Trivium

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Ignoring what?

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I'm sorry but what do you mean? How was I ignoring it when I called you out for it?

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They're claiming masons and most likely telling the truth since it would be a terrible play as scum.

Anyway, let's lynch Trivium

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duppin I have no idea what you're saying, it's obviously scummy? Heat gets 1 vote from being lynched and somebody who ignored heat all day swoops in and quick hammers them without asking for a claim or anything. I don't know if you're trying to argue that it's too scummy to be scum or what but I think it's pretty obvious

It was simply because I didn't know whether you thought it was scummy or not. If you thought it was scummy, why didn't you vote for him? It's just because I feel like you keep calling people out for something without following up on it, so I simply wanted to know exactly what you thought about it.

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I want to lynch Trivium. join me plx

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No, we have 1 day and 14 hours. gogo

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For what it is worth, if I had to choose between Zulfy and Virtue I'd vote on Virtue, but I'm not really scumreading either noe.

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Well, honestly the initial thing that pinged me was #195. I just don't see the motivation for him only to look up your games and not anyone else (this was the question I asked him about several times). Why hasn't he checked anyone else? Like the people he is pushing on. But it wouldn't make sense for scum to do this either unless you were his scumbuddy (unless you and him are the real masons), but I'm not scumreading you so meh.

Overall I just wanted to pressure him. It mainly has to do with him "ignoring" me. Like I had to ask him about #195 3 or 4 times before he finally answered. Then later I asked him about his townread on Dunnstral and followed it up with a vote since I wanted him to engage me and even though he posted soon after, he chose to ignore it. I just get the impression he is trying to lay low and avoid attention.

so hai trivium

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And we're obviously not going to get a train running on him now. The two current train are fairly interesting, mainly because they will provide a decent amount of info as town seems to be split.

I think the scumreads on Zulfy are silly. Finding his point system useless =/= scummy. In fact I think it is more towny to show his thought process public. If you think his conclusions are bad, then I can maybe understand it but I don't get the impression has an agenda. I'm a bit surprised his train has managed to grow this big actually. I don't want to lynch him as I'm leaning town on him.

I'm completely null on Virtue. I do however like the people on his train.

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VOTE: Virtue

They're at 5-5 now.

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No, Trivium just voted on Zulfy on the last page. (#692(

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It is 6-5 now. (Zulfy being the leading wagon).

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How you doing today duppin?

Great, how about you?

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That wasn't L-1, that was the hammer by the way..

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Nevermind, Trivium's vote most likely didn't count.

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Really, you're asking what I think of Heat? Really? Are you reading my posts?

Dwlee hasn't done shit. His recent scum victory scares me though.

Can you give me a link?

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I see, thanks.

Dwlee, can you link me one of your recent town games when you get here? Thanks.

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Oh hello Titus.

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Care about what Trivium? Me wanting to engage you?

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10. Votes must be at the beginning of a line to be counted.

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And well I obviously know where my vote is going tomorrow.

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Trivium, plx don't ignore me now.

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Oh you're here.

Trivium can you give me your opinion on Dunnstral? You called him town yesterday but never explained why even though I asked you about it. Are you still townreading him and if so, why?

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Hm I missed the 'slip'. That's actually fairly interesting.

Dunn can you explain the townreads on Titus and Trivium?

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more likely is that a mafia is nightkilled tonight (based on my reads list) by the sk

What, why?

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more likely is that a mafia is nightkilled tonight (based on my reads list) by the sk

What, why?

Because sk is likely to want a mafia dead here
Not like town's ever gonna get one so the sk has to kill all 3 basically, and if they don't start now they lose

I was referring to the "based on my reads list" thing. What do you mean?

Hm I missed the 'slip'. That's actually fairly interesting.

You don't even know what you're talking about here. This is a very poor lead-up to a vote on me and just an excuse to sheep with TSQ

What's up with your attitude? How do I not know what I am talking about? I didn't see the slip when I first read through the thread, but after several people started mentioning I can see their point. It could've been a slip, stop with the paranoia about me trying to using it as an excuse for joining your wagon. I even called you out several times last day, so if I wanted to join your wagon I certainly wouldn't even need to use this as an 'excuse' to join your wagon.

Neither of them are mafia. Why didn't you mention beeboy?

That's not a solid answer. As for why I didn't mention beeboy, it's because I have no interest in him. I'd like you to explain the reads on Titus and Trivium though because I am not townreading them myself.

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So I ask you again. Why do you think Titus and Trivium are town?

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Right now you sound like a) a frustrated townie or b) a salty scum. If you're town then I suggest you work with me instead.

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Oh server is back up, kewl.

Anyway, d1 vc:

Zulfy

: Thestatusquo,

Killthestory

, Dunnstral, Gendaberry, Firebringer, Titus, Trivium

Titus

: Heat, Beeboy, DeathRowKitty,

Dwlee99

, duppin

Now let's compare it to the current train on Dunnstral:

Dunnstral

: Thestatusquo, Gendaberry, Trivium, Firebringer, Titus

All the people on Dunnstral's train were on Zulfy's (now confirmed town) train as well and I find that very interesting.
I can understand why some people would vote on Dunnstral I've found him fairly suspicious all game long, but this bothers me a lot. We can never read too much into d1 votes, but it's the exact same people who voted on Zulfy.

So assuming we have a scum team around, where would that place them? I refuse to believe that not a single scum voted on Zulfy (although it's obviously possible), so I'd expect at least one scum to be on his wagon.
It is possible it is Dunnstral (also possible one of his teammates is now bussing him of course), but what a coincidence that the people voting on him happen to be the exact same people who voted with him yesterday.

Meh, I think I'd rather do this for now:

VOTE: Trivium

I definitely believe there is at least one scum between Dunnstral, Trivium and Titus. At the moment I am actually leaning towards two of them being scum.

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I'm fine with a massclaim and with Trivium flipping town I believe Titus is scum.

I'm okayish with beeboy's order.

@Heat, that's a really weird post. If you think I am scum, then make a case.
Implying I'm scum because no one has been paying attention to me (which isn't really true, since several people have called me out) feels a bit strange.

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Popcorn is fine as well.

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I think it's weird because it feels like he is waiting for someone else to jump on it.

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And more so I simply disagree with his read. He should find it more suspicious that in my scum pool yesterday I listed Trivium, Dunnstral and Titus claiming that I'm positive there is at least one scum between them (and I was actually leaning towards two of them at the time), considering two of them have now flipped town.

What he says instead is basically "look at this guy, everyone is ignoring him isn't that scummy?", which is debatable but why not engage me directly or push me if he wanted to do so. The point about me flying under the radar is a bit weird because that seems to be based on the fact that he believes people are ignoring me and not so much my play.

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I never stated he should've voted on me. I just don't think that's a case, to me it feels more like him waiting for someone else to jump in on it.

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Yes I'm sure it does, just like the 'slip' yesterday.

You can never read into my post count, can we drop the vague reads for a moment and look at some actual information?

I can't see a single way for Titus to be town. (see #1197)
It makes absolutely no sense if she is town.

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My vote is most likely going to end up on Titus, unless you have a super strong case on someone else. I'd like to see where massclaiming gets us first though.

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That's great. I think it's Titus and then most likely Genda/Firebringer/TSQ.

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Titus is town, ignore me if you want because you are probably scum but we are at this point because we have been lynching all my town reads.

Indeed and I tried to save both of them. The wagons both days were identical. The Titus is the only wagon that was completely different but yet somehow Zulfy managed to get lynched instead.

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Oh boy this is interesting. I trust beeboy.

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Ohh that's why you're townreading Titus.

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What is your role called beeboy?

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I see. So you don't actually know who Gendaberry visited?

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Meh, I really wish you hadn't revealed the check on Titus.

Anyway, unless I'm mistaken, all you know is that Gendaberry killed someone yesterday. I don't think that necessarily means he is the vigi, but it's possible. We do however know for a fact that there is a scum between TSQ and Genda now at least.

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TSQ, if you killed KTS why did you find Dunnstral suspicious for thinking mafia killed him?

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Why did you kill KTS?

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Hm, I think I need to revaluate my reads. Please be careful with the votes.

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Especially you Firebringer.

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If you are the vigi TSQ, then you know Genda is 100% scum.

I do however not that agree that beeboy's alignment depends on Genda's flip. If Genda flips scum, beeboy could still be telling the truth. If beeboy is scum then Genda is most likely scum as well though. We're obviously not lynching beeboy today though.

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Sure, I'm a VT.

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So you think both of them are scum?

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triv makes zero sense as a scum kill.

It makes perfect sense to me as an SK kill. Group scum, no.

Inclined to agree.

We have two vigi claims though, so do you think both of them are scum?

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That is certainly a possibility, I hadn't really considered that.

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Firebringer, what do you think about the vigi claims?

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And beeboy, do you think Heat is town?

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Yes I was considering that as well, but it's very risky.

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Anyway, if TSQ is the vigilante/SK then that means that beeboy and Genda are both most likely mafia. In that case beeboy attempted to pressure genda to force him to claim vigi so they could out the other nk to claim so they could get him rid of him - if TSQ is the vigi that means they're most likely 3 mafia and they would straight up win this night since they would've killed off the only one who could NK him. If TSQ is the SK it means we most likely only have to mafias around, so we wouldn't lose yet.

It is possible, but I personally have a town read on beeboy so it's not something I'm willing to pursue. I'd obviously lose to a scum beeboy at this point.

So here is where I am at. I've been trying to revaluate my read on Titus' slot. While I do believe beeboy's claim, I do not believe his check clears her at all, but I kind of liked her posts today so I would at least like to consider a world where she could be town.
And I believe the only way for her to be town is if Heat is scum.

The votes on Titus day 1:
Heat, Beeboy, DeathRowKitty, Dwlee99, duppin

DRK and Dwlee confirmed town. I believe beeboy is town. That leaves me and Heat and I obviously know I am town.
That means that if Heat and Titus are both town this wagon was all town. Seems unlikely, but it's possible I guess. If this is indeed the case, then that means both day 1 trains (Titus and Zulfy) were both on town so scum wouldn't really need to care who their vote was on. This would however also mean that they chose to stack up on the same target two days in a row (since the d1 and d2 wagons were identical). If we have three mafias around I'd be very surprised if this was the case. If we have 2 mafias + a SK it makes a bit more sense though.

I'm personally more inclined to believe have a vigi + three mafias, but I honestly have no clue. That is also why I think it is very unlikely that Heat and Titus are both town.

I believe that if we have three mafias the team is Genda/TSQ, Titus/Heat and Firebringer.
If we have two mafias and a SK, then TSQ and Genda are both scum (sk/mafia) and last mafia would probably be Heat/Titus.

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Because they were tied at one point.

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And you honestly think it's a coincidence that the trains day 1 and day 2 were identical?

I'm honestly a bit surprised you don't find it weird how I am the only one scumreading Titus' slot.

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Perhaps that is true Heat, I just got the impression that I was the only one who was suspicious of the slot at the moment.

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Um.. are you implying I can't comment on something else simply because we have a one v one? We already know we're lynching between them and I just stated that if I had to guess I'd say TSQ is the mafia between them.

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What are you even talking about? I explained where I was currently at.

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Really Titus?

I explained exactly where I was at. You claiming I didn't isn't going to change anything you know. I listed the only possible worlds that I could see and which I believe in (3 mafias).

First you claim I'm scum for not focusing on the one vs one (when I did) and basing a read on a VCA when we have no flipped scum, but yes of course. Why wouldn't I look at the votes? Should be obvious to everyone that the votes are fairly interesting, whether you agree with my conclusion or not is irrelevant, but claiming I'm scum for considering it is just.. yeah.

Then you claim I'm scum for not scumhunting and basing my theory on the assumption that I'm town, but what is that even supposed to mean? Of course it is based on me being town, because I wanted to tell you what I currently believe in.
And in case you haven't noticed no one is townreading me, in fact multiple people have called me scum today. Beeboy called you town today, several people seems to believe Heat is town as well. Most of you want to ignore the VCA. How would I ever be able to set up a you vs Heat fight tomorrow?

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Sounds more like you're just trying to discredit me at this point.

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I posted my current thoughts on the game. I "explained" what I currently believe in and why I believe there is a mafia between you and Heat. I also mentioned TSQ/Gendaberry several times and I mentioned that if I had to pick a mafia between them (if we have three mafias which I believe) then I'd pick TSQ. What more would you like me to talk about? It should be obvious why I trust Genda a little bit more than TSQ (see my question to TSQ in #1461. This was the same point Genda brought up himself later actually, which I liked).

Just because we have a one and one doesn't mean I can't talk about something else for a while. In fact I'd say focusing on nothing but that is way more suspicious for obvious reasons. Beeboy is my top town so I wanted to know if he was townreading Heat (since he already claimed he was townreading you), because in that case I'd try to consider his reads for a while. My conclusion was that I do not believe both of you are town if we have three mafias but that it is a possibility if we have two mafias and a SK, although still unlikely.
Yes I know I am town and my obviously my thoughts are based around that. I made it very clear that I was basing my reads on me knowing my own alignment.

That leaves me and Heat and I obviously know I am town.

As for the thing about vote count I'm not sure I agree no. VCA without a scum slip is not necessarily garbage. We had two identical (!) wagons two days in a row. Do you think that is a coincidence?
We had two trains tied day 1, one on you and then the other one on a confirmed town (Zulfy). Somehow the exact same people on Zulfy's train managed to lead a wagon day 2 on another town as well. How can we not read into that? Because we don't know your alignment? That is why I covered both possible scenarios (you as scum and you as town). If you are town, then I think Heat is most likely scum. It is possible he is town if we have 2 mafias and a SK. If you are scum, then Heat could honestly be anything but lean towards him being town.

So the only way I can see you as town is if we have 2 mafias and a SK, which is definitely possible but as previously stated I lean more towards the idea of us having 3 mafias around simply because I feel like town might be a tad too weak if not, but on the other hand it might just seem that way because of the night kills so far. Anyway, I can't see a scum team of three mafias without you. This is why I think you're scum.

You can go all paranoid and claim "oh this is a setup, and now you're trying to do X because Y and blabla", but I doubt that is going to get us anywhere.

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Perhaps.

No I do not 'declare' myself town, I claim that this is what I believe based on what I know (and I know I am town). I am not telling everyone else to believe the same, I am not pushing an agenda all I am saying is basically just what I think. I'm really curious as to why you think this is an issue. Am I trying to get you and Heat go after each other? Not really but it's a fair point. Knowing Heat is primed to do so is hardly truth though, since I wasn't aware that he was still scumreading you since he backed off. And why do you mention scumhunting again? How many times do we need to go over this?

Maybe you won't do a VCA without a scum flip but I will. If you think that makes me scum, well then go ahead not much I can do about that except claim that you're wrong.

Yes of course my reads depend on the setup, don't yours as well? You believe we have a mafia and a SK which makes both TSQ and Genda mafia. I believe we have three mafias, which means only one of them is mafia. I consider it a possibility that we have a mafia and a SK in which case my reads are different. I honestly don't get your point. I've replied to everything you've just said but you just keep trying to discredit me by twisting what I'm saying. (like my "reads depend on the setup", wat)

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I think you're scum. That's my read.

The only way I can see you as town is if Heat is scum. I find you scummier. If both of you are town it would have to be two mafias and a SK but I think that's very unlikely and I do not believe that to be the case. That doesn't mean I don't want to consider it. I really don't know what to think of you trying to call me out for that.

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I'll get back to this tomorrow.

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Let's just get on with this game, I doubt anything more is going to happen today and I've given my reads, so.

VOTE: TSQ

I believe Genda's claim more than yours, sorry if I'm wrong.

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I do not believe Titus and Heat could be aligned (based on day 1) and beeboy is obviously town, so I believe Firebringer is 100% scum and the safest lynch.
I also still find Titus more suspicious than Heat, but papermaker (Titus' slot) did actually have some decent interactions with TSQ day 1 so I'm not as confident in that read as I was yesterday.

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It's PoE Firebringer.

I do not believe Titus and Heat can be aligned based on how day 1 went down and beeboy is definitely town. That means the only possible teammate for Titus would be you and the same applies for Heat.

I'm not sure how a Titus/me team makes any sense. If I was scum I think my most likely teammate would be Heat.

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How am I protecting her? I think you and Titus are the last scum, but I need to revaluate the Titus slot.

Do you think Heat was hardbussing Titus day 1?

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I mean did you think that before you started scumreading me today.

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I see, please check Heat's ISO when you have the time.

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That what I do as town as well. I usually don't do much early on.

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And please explain why my reads do not make sense.

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And I called you scum before you called me scum, so how does this has anything to do with me starting from the position that you must be scum because I know you're onto me?

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Beeboy you shouldn't have revealed your result yet, but oh well.

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I'm sorry but I honestly don't get what you're saying at all Titus.

Explain why my reads are bad. Explain where I am wrong.

Stop making up weird stuff about me "having to call you scum since your onto me". I'd rather you actually respond to what I'm saying, like I am responding to you. Yesterday you made up so many weird reads to paint me as scum and everytime I addressed one of them you moved onto a new read. It's fairly obvious you're focusing more on coming up with actual reasons for scumreading me and trying to discredit what I'm saying than actually interacting me.

You called me out for OMGUS (claiming I was pushing on you since you were onto me), when the truth is that this is actually what you're doing. You haven't called me out a single time while I've called you scum throughout the entire game. Then when we get down to mylo (yesterday) and I give my read on you, you suddenly start to scumread me for no apparent reason whatsoever. Your scumread on me has not been based on my play but only on my push on you. If that is not OMGUS I don't know what it is. You're never addressed my acutal points, but would prefer to just try to discredit me and come up with bullshit claims as "oh see this guy, backed into a corner, oh what a scummy push" and whatsoever.

The thing about Beeboy makes no sense. Why would I argue that beeboy is scum? I've been townreading him throughout the entire game. What are you even saying? How did I float you yesterday? My read on you has been consistent, I brought it up yesterday since we might as well get some discussion going. The lynch was obviously going to be between Genda and TSQ. I wasn't even pushing on you yesterday, so I fail to see how I "realized how bad my push was" and I fail to see how I backed down. I'm still calling you scum.

When TSQ flipped I looked through ISO's again and noticed papermaker (your slot) had some okayish interactions with him, which made me revaluate my read on you. I still think you and Firebringer are the remaining scum. The only possible scumbuddy for Heat is Firebringer. So from my PoV Firebringer is 100% scum and the safest lynch.

As for why I didn't object to beeboy outing his result earlier, I wasn't expecting him to do so.

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I think the game is fairly simple. We lynch Firebringer, then it's going to be it will be me, Heat and Titus in last of three. Pretty sure Titus is the last mafia, geges.

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Heat targeted no one last night.

I was using the logic if he was scum he would submit the killing action so I wouldn't lynch him today if he didn't appear guilty.

I could be totally wrong but it is logic I am comfotable using considering the gamestate, the info we have and the fact I think you could all be scum.

That makes sense. I would have suspected that Heat would have done the kill as well as scum.

I'm content with locking in that Heat can only be scum with Beeboy scum.

Good, that means you think the team is me+Firebringer, let's lynch Firebringer then.

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Because I'm town christ.

Ask me something, go over my ISO, check my town games. I really do not understand why you're scum reading me, so if you could explain why I'd love to respond.

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Well I mean sure, except that I never came out swinging at you today and I've clearly claimed that I think Firebringer is the best and safest lynch.

Why didn't you just claim I could be bussing him? That would've been a valid concern, but it wouldn't be true. Why do you have to come up with the paranoid stuff all the time? "comes out swinging at me", my opening post this game was literally me saying we should lynch Firebringer.

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And let me ask you another question. If me and Firebringer were scumbuddies and wanted to go for a play, why do you think we would sacrificed him? To get me into last of three with you and Heat, who both called me scum yesterday?

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Unfortunately something just came up, so I probably won't be on until tomorrow.

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hi guys

why do u all think i wld submit the kill

like just curious

Because you're the most townie aside from Beeboy. Generally, the most Towny person should do the kill.

@Duppin, I did say you were distancing/bussing Fire.

You go for the win by mislynching me. If I cannot be mislynched today, given the game state and your reads, your only move would be to bus fire and play wifom, which is precisely what you are doing.

While I do understand your point, the only way for you to win is to claim that I am bussing Firebringer (who is your teammate), since you know I'd most likely go for you in last of three instead of Heat. I don't really think this is going to get us anywhere.

I also never attempted to get you lynched today. I've been very vocal about wanting to lynch Firebringer, so I'm not sure why you think it has anything to do with you. It simply has to do with Firebringer being scum in both worlds, as I don't think you and Heat could be aligned.

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Oh and as I pointed out in my last post. If me and Firebringer were scumbuddies, why do you think we would try to get me to lylo with two people who claimed they're scumreading me instead of Firebringer?

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PoE.

I know I am town and I believe beeboy is as well.

That leaves you, Heat and Titus. I think it's unlikely that Titus and Heat are aligned based on day 1. That means that if Titus is mafia, the only possible teammate is you. Same applies for Heat. I guess it's possible Heat was bussing Titus day 1, but I think it's veeeery unlikely.

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True, but I'm sure you understand what I'm saying.

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Hm what do you mean? I think my logic makes sense (from my pov obviously). Please tell me which part you disagree with:

- I believe the setup is 3 mafias. 1 is dead, which means 2 are still alive.
- I know I am town and I believe beeboy is town as well.
- That means there is 2 mafia and 1 town in: Heat, Titus and you.
- I personally do not believe Heat and Titus could be scumbuddies based on their interactions day 1. (Heat was trying to lynch Titus) The only thing that bothers me a little is that it felt like he 'stopped' scumreading him for no apparent reason, which I brought up yesterday as well but he claimed that wasn't the case so meh.)
- That means that whoever is the mafia between Heat and Titus has to be with you. Like Titus can't be with me obviously. I think beeboy is town so can't be him either and I do not believe she could be with Heat. That leaves you. Same thing obviously applies for Heat.

The only way for you to be town from my point of view is if Titus and Heat are aligned, which I think is very unlikely or if beeboy is scum which I do not believe

I know I am town and I believe beeboy is 100% town as well. I believe we have 3 mafi

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Eh on my phone, accidently screwed up the post I can see (last sentence), doesn't really matter though.

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Well, yes.

I believe there is a mafia between you and Heat. I find you way more suspicious than Heat, so I do think it is you. I am certain Firebringer is scum though, so he is the safer lynch.

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<- Found him

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VOTE: Firebringer

Well, I'll put my vote where I think it should be.

I believe Titus is the other mafia. It's possible I'm wrong but it's unlikely. I hope whoever is the town will realise I am town though.

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Then we're still lynching Firebringer, great.

If you are the town between you and Titus, then you better go over our ISO's + TSQ and Firebringer (who is most likely going to flip scum) and hopefully realise I'm town. If you're going to mislynch me in last of three because you think I'm suspicious for "flying under the radar", then I can at least accept it if you actually bother to go over the game again and revaluate your reads.

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Yes yes Titus, whatever floats your boat.

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Oh sorry, can't let down my fellow townies.

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My vote is already on Firebringer, just vote with me. Then we lynch Titus tomorrow and throw a party when town wins, alright gogo

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i am getting this growing desire to vote Firebringer but I want someone else to do it so if I am wrong I can blame others post game.

Me too because Duppin is trying to pull what I did before in Asoif with Cephrir. I wanna vote Duppin though too because my fire scum theory depends on Duppin scum.

So you only think Firebringer can be scum if I am? Interesting. What if I am town then?

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Oh and that's cool, so you tried to pull off a town victory in Asoif?

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i am getting this growing desire to vote Firebringer but I want someone else to do it so if I am wrong I can blame others post game.

Me too because Duppin is trying to pull what I did before in Asoif with Cephrir. I wanna vote Duppin though too because my fire scum theory depends on Duppin scum.

So you only think Firebringer can be scum if I am? Interesting. What if I am town then?

You are not likely town.

But if you don't think it's possible for me to be town, then you have to be certain Fire is scum as well.

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Can we just lynch the two obvious scum and finish the game? Please beeboy and Heat. This is Titus attempting to end the game today by trying to get a mislynch on me instead of Firebringer, even though she should be perfectly fine with a Firebringer lynch based on her logic.

This game is getting nowhere, just lynch FB already

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Eh well good game.

Not sure why you'd vote Heat. I was V/LA, but didn't announce it to UTL since I thought I'd get back before prod timer, but even if I didn't I would definitely get back before being replaced. It was also weekend and considering I hardly ever posts during the weekend, surely you could've waited. I mean did you actually think I'd try to win as scum by refusing to answer you? But oh well