Also his/her name sounds like Sauron
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Samruc's first post, randomly voting someone...normalSamruc wrote:^
Bah.
Vote: EmpTyger
Second post, immediately votes for the second person to vote for him...clearly OMGUSSamruc wrote:A wagon? Where?
- Lynch! Lynch! Lynch!
Oh... You mean me.
Unvote, Vote: SimenonOMGUS[/b]
I have no idea how my post was taken as a serious. I see you trying to take us out of jokevote phase while we're still on page 1 really odd.Samruc wrote:Is this your attempt at taking us out of the random stage?
and then you FOS me for it?Samruc wrote:So you are trying to keep us in the random stage then?
FoS: Lemming1607
Shanba wrote:[bI'm[/b] going for the "vote asmany people as possible" tactic so I can point back to it and say "I told youso" at the end of the game no matter who turns up scum. Empy gave me a slightlyscummy vibe so I switched to him, thento yogurtbanditcuz I couldn't understand a word hesaid.
Shanba wrote:I'm s c u m h l y m n c e
Shanba wrote: I'm scum lynch me
what the hell? there's only been three pages so far, and I work 16 hour days. The reason I asked for a votecount was so that I could post and contribute. What have you done besides call out lurkers and play town leader?EmpTyger wrote:Sir T:
Lemming:
The mod is placing vote counts at the top of each page (ie every 25 posts). Which this post of mine will induce. So, what’s your new excuse for not contributing?
Ok firstly, just because someone has a earlier join date to this site does not mean they are new to mafia...for example me. I've played on other forums quite a few times, and am not new to mafia. Be very careful treading down any, "I'm the earliest join date so therefore this stuff will happen" roads. Talking about who the scum will kill is WIFOM, and just leads to WIFOM arguments later in the game.EmpTyger wrote:Let’s clear some things up right now about this game, for Lemming just as much as for everyone else.Lemming1607 [77] wrote:<snip>What have you done besides call out lurkers and play town leader?<snip>
There are no cops. There are no protown nightabilities. There are 3 confirmed innocents. That’s it.The town will not win unless they can deduce mafia from dayactions.(I’m going to ignore the possibility of mafia stupidity resulting in a town win, because in that case it almost doesn’t matter what the town does.) That requires players to be active during the day- *all* players. (Strictly speaking, the masons do not have to be active, because their alignment can be ascertained otherwisely; but it’s foolish for them to act differently.)
Now, examine the join dates of the players of this game. Mine is by far the earliest. So, barring replacement shenanigans, I expect to be a high profile target. I think there is a good chance I will not be alive D2. So if I want any chance of affecting the game, I’m going to have to do it *now*.
Look at who’s posted recently. Compare that to who I’ve been calling out. Then compare who hasn’t posted with who I’ve not. It’s an interesting enough correlation (albeit not perfect) that I think I want to follow up [60] withunvote: Sir Tornadoandvote: Khelvaster.
There is still no reason to discuss who the mafia is going to kill. I made my point, and any further discussion is setting us up for WIFOM later on down the road.EmpTyger wrote: Good for you. Now, when the mafia are deciding who to kill, and who’re threats, do they have any idea about your personal history? No. If you want me to point to recent relevant precedents, I can.
So far the only thing I've seen has been "obvious" connections and those people have already been called out on it, and I'm not going to repeat it. It's mostly something to keep in mind as the game progresses.EmpTyger wrote: Do you feel this has happened in this game, either in general or in a specific circumstance?
Lemming1607 wrote:First of all, I think we need to stop talking about masons and connections. All that does is allow discussion about our only power role, and allows the scum to look for mistakes from the masons to easier pick them out. It does nothing but hurt the town to talk about this.
There is still no reason to discuss who the mafia is going to kill. I made my point, and any further discussion is setting us up for WIFOM later on down the road.EmpTyger wrote: Good for you. Now, when the mafia are deciding who to kill, and who’re threats, do they have any idea about your personal history? No. If you want me to point to recent relevant precedents, I can.
So far the only thing I've seen has been "obvious" connections and those people have already been called out on it, and I'm not going to repeat it. It's mostly something to keep in mind as the game progresses.EmpTyger wrote: Do you feel this has happened in this game, either in general or in a specific circumstance?
Again, we need to drop the mason discussion. It does nothing but hurt town
the Samrucs one I understand, since it's why I voted for him page 1. But the simenon one is a complete mystery. When everyone jumped on him his only defense was:YogurtBandit wrote:-...5 Ithink on the 1st page=not cool.Fos: Simneon
Also, SDamrucs reactions seem scummy.Mfos:Samruc
I didn't like his FoS'. This early in the game you don't need to worry about lynching too fast. FoS' are really for lylo so you don't end the game or when you've already voted someone. To me it just says, "I want people to start looking at this but I don't want my hands dirty if he turns up innocent." Townies don't need to look innocent, we are innocent.YogurtBandit wrote:I really dont like everyone joking around with the whole stuff.
What? You were one of the earliest proponents of starting a bandwagon on Yogurt. Now that's it at lynch -1, you're unhappy about your bandwagon?Shanba wrote:Unvote
The case there was on YB was weak. I voted for him and I admit that. Why, therefore, is this wagon growing this quickly and is this big? Unhappy bout that.unvote vote lemming
I don't see the jokevote phase that way. It's just a way to get people to start talking before we get into discussion of the format. I would say you were right about distraction if I had gone BACK to the jokevote phase after we started discussing mechanics and real votes started going everywhere.Per wrote:The first phase is the random/joke voting phase. It’s one of the weirdest random voting stages I have ever seen (not that I’m very experienced, but anyway). I say big WTF? to lemming and Shanba. Lemming, because he seemed to be trying very hard to distract everyone from this game.
Actually it did start discussion...in fact about 3 pages of it or so.Per wrote: I also note a bandwagon on YB for no reason at all, probably to start discussion except it didn’t really start any discussion.
I agreePer wrote: I also don’t like Crub’s first post, just jumping on the wagon without making any other comments.
Personally I find lurking scummy. To me it looks like he "gave up" after being outted. Why would someone who is innocent do that? Although I do admit that I'm used to 3 day time limit on games and 10 pages in 12 hour games, so the slow pace is a little different to me and I'm trying to adjust.Per wrote: Lemming puts YB at -1 now and I really can’t believe it. You can pressure a lurker with a couple of votes to get him to post, but if the lurker persists, you don’t lynch him: you ask for him to be prodded and then replaced. Which Lemming obviously knows because he has asked for a prod on me in the same post.
This sums it up nicely. Emp had to ask him why he was voting, and he still didn't give a reason other than "think he's scum"Simenon wrote:If I thought he was scum I wouldn't be wagonning with him.
This is my favorite one. "Emp why are you being weird VOTE SOMEONE ELSE AND BANDWAGON WITH EVERYONE ELSE"Simenon wrote:In a game where the only power roles are masons, are you suggesting that the masons will be challenging to pick out?EmpTyger wrote:They might. They also, assuming the masons are all playing with a hint of intelligence, shouldn't know whether I'm a mason or not by N1.
Unvote
Vote YogurtBandit
Simenon wrote:Unvote
Vote SirT
Simenon wrote:Unvote
Vote Crub
Are we seriously going to ignore this kind of behavior? Even if it's metagaming, scumtells are scumtells, and bandwagoning on everyone else's thoughts and not providing reasons for votes is scummySimenon wrote:Crub should die.
Sir Tornado wrote:There is a small problem with your case. You have to turn up town first, which I don't think you will. Your post 162 reeks of scuminess.
Explain to me how Crub is most definitely scum, and then you unvote when other people voted him, and you want to know why? That makes no sense.Sir Tornado wrote:Unvote
I somehow missed the Jex and CO votes on Crub.
Why are you voting Crub?
I do. And no I don't see a reason to vote people without any reasons, and they be serious votes. Worst yet, you come out and say you're not going to tell us your reasons, and you have some type of "mysterious" reasoning. Sounds like you're lazySimenon wrote:No, I'm asking whether there may be other reasons for someone to bandwagon methodically.
I don't think methodical bandwagoning is scummy, so no, I'm not suggesting that.
Here is your reasoning. I think bandwagoning without reason is scummy. You can call it "methodically" I call it "without reason." There I answered your question. Now explain why you're voting people with no reasoning or "methodically."Simenon wrote:No, I'm asking whether there may be other reasons for someone to bandwagon methodically.
I don't think methodical bandwagoning is scummy, so no, I'm not suggesting that.
How about you repeat your question then because I am under the presumption that I answered itSimenon wrote:Hi lemming!
I see you there!
This is the third time I have asked you to answer my question. I know this might be overload (lord knows if you would be able to do two at a time), but why do you insist on ignoring it?
Hey! I Know! Maybe instead of answering my question with a stupid cryptic question, you could actually come out and answer my question instead of making me do more work because you don't want to defend yourself, revealing your scumminess!Simenon wrote:Post 182 is not an answer to this:
Do you think that taking into account my previous statements to SirTornado, and the fact that all of my bandwagoning has been done in the same method and same number of votes, my bandwagoning is just a scummy coincidence?
Sorry that's not how it works. You see what you're trying to do is guide me into believing something. Whatever answer I give, allows you to properly respond to the situation. I'm not going to give you that chance. That's not how I roll yo.Simenon wrote:An answer to my question will tell me from what angle I should approach defending myself. I'm trying to understand where you are coming from better before I commit to a defense.
I don't think my question is cryptic either.
Why would you systematically bandwagon third vote everyone, assuming you're motivated about lynching scum?Simenon wrote:oh well. :[You see what you're trying to do is guide me into believing something. Whatever answer I give, allows you to properly respond to the situation. I'm not going to give you that chance. That's not how I roll yo.
Read the question. Now read your "case". I wouldn't ask this question if I didn't feel it was necessary.I see your game, and it's like you believe you're smarter than everyone else and need to lead us to find out "inner selves" through questions.
If you read my posts, I'm obviously acting the exact same way (every two votes gets a bandwagon vote from me). I'm asking you if that is a coincidence or not. If you aren't going to answer that, then I think it's of no use to me to answer your case.Have fun.I don't play that game. I'm going to keep my vote on you until you answer the question, instead of trying to figure out what answer will satisfy me and say that.
I voted for Simenon with I believe correct reasoning. I believe to have found a scumtell. Crub jumped on presumably to save himself. If you can call that a bandwagon sure.Shanba wrote:Crub, you are like a broken record. Do you actually have anything on Sim or are you voting him for the heck of it? Or maybe it's just OMGUS?
I personally don't think Simenon is deserving of the wagon on him. He's not a bad vote, but I'd put him at least 4th or 5th on my list.
But there are THREE scum. Not FOUR. You FoS'd more than there are scum, so obviously you can't think everyone is scum. That's why it's spaghetti strategy. You're throwing your suspicions around hoping some of it will stick and THEN you'll vote that person.Sammich wrote: I didn't HAVE to put my vote on anyone. I would and most likely will put my vote on people. I refuse to be too conservative, but sometimes I don't think a vote is needed. Is that too much?
I'm not trying to sow as much suspicion as possible, I'm saying who I think is scum and if you think it's scummy, then God help you.
Let me emphasize my point. TALKING ABOUT WHY SCUM KILLED WHO THEY DID IS WIFOM.Sammich wrote:But why would I kill SirT? He was one players least suspicious of me.Lemming1607 wrote:What if Sammich is scum, killed SirT so he could make it look like suspicion would be put on him, so he could accuse people for that?
You make a huge ass voting analysis, and then completely discredit it immediately?Sammich wrote: But I don't like this vote analysis I'm making, personally.
because I'm not used to such slow games and this was my first non newbie game of mafiascum. The games I'm used to days last 3 days and garner 500 posts for each of those days.Phate wrote:I'll start with Lemming, because I think it will be the shortest - Lemming, why did you hammer Crub? Why are you in favour of a quick Sammich lynch? I don't think you're scum, but I'd like to hear your detailed rationales for both decisions, if you will.