Mini 1791: Mildly Dangerous Mafia [GAME OVER]

Apricity · Post Post #57 (isolation #0) » Mon May 02, 2016 7:30 pm

Hi

This is exam season for me so I'll be busy, but I'll post as much as I can.

Performer, long time no see ^.^ I don't remember you being the joking type though. Was that because you replaced in that time instead of starting?

Liking BNL, FT and Paper so far, but I have some questions:

@BNL: In 37, you asked Asphodel why he thought Paper was just referring to the question, but I don't see anything particularly significant other than the question. What else did you think Paper saw in that post?
@FT: Why does Asphodel's 35 feel town?

42 from TTH feels like a bit of an overreaction to what BNL said. She immediately accuses BNL rather than asking something like why he thinks roleplaying is scum-indicative.

@Asphodel: What happened between 25 and 55 that made you suspect RC enough to vote him? Like why did you wait so long before coming to that conclusion and voting him? Also idk how that post from him seems like he's trying to "look" town--elaborate?

Not sure if this is connected at all but coming off of Bullish's note that Asphodel's Garmr vote looks out of place, Asphodel's next post switching his vote feels a bit unnatural. That plus the phrasing like "I should probably switch my vote now" *switches vote* "oh yeah justification" made me think that he changed his vote simply to change his vote.

VOTE: Asphodel at least until I get my questions answered. That sequence of events stuck out to me.

p-edit: Hi Alban. I think we're past RVS by now; any thoughts?

Apricity · Post Post #58 (isolation #1) » Mon May 02, 2016 7:38 pm

In post 47, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 43, FourTrouble wrote:
In post 42, TellTaleHeart wrote:So you admit that the goofing off has to do with style in RC's case, but you want to use it to throw suspicion onto me.

Lot of assumptions in this post...

That could be, I do have a cynical streak.

Regardless, I'm annoyed that I can't just relax, have a little fun, and not be "super srs business" for even a little bit without getting jumped on. At best, it's a drag and a turn-off.

How do you feel about people other than BNL?

Apricity · Post Post #63 (isolation #2) » Mon May 02, 2016 8:16 pm

I'll respond to things and read again tomorrow after school; it's past 3am now

Apricity · Post Post #210 (isolation #3) » Tue May 03, 2016 4:36 pm

I should sleep early today because I have my second (out of 6) exam tomorrow, so just brief stuff for now, in no particular order. And I’ll leave setup out of this since other people have talked about that more than enough.

Apricity · Post Post #211 (isolation #4) » Tue May 03, 2016 4:38 pm

In post 66, Bellaphant wrote:VOTE: four trouble

What was awkward?

Some thing super awkward here.

In post 97, Bellaphant wrote:@gamr i don't like the pressure on RC and I think tth has got it sussed.

Om the breaking strategy, we could all post 'if I was weak BG I will protect...' And all choose a different person? It would avoid everyone dying at once. I've seen something similar in an open game but I don't know if it would actually work -
it's helpful in less deas body guards more than conf-ing people.

Or I may be crazy. Either or.

Explain the bolded please?

Apricity · Post Post #212 (isolation #5) » Tue May 03, 2016 4:38 pm

Oops, I failed at quoting

I meant to ask Bella what she found awkward about FT when she voted him.

Apricity · Post Post #213 (isolation #6) » Tue May 03, 2016 4:44 pm

75 and 78 make me feel better about TTH. She was straightforward, and I don’t think scum would feel the obligation to explain their situation like that.

Nnn’s posts on setup-breaking feel really scattered, and at first I started suspecting him for it (80-103), especially after that push for the WBG to claim, but his later posts after he realizes the flaws are better (157, 159). So I think his misunderstanding about mechanics was genuine and not contrived to push a bad plan. Wish he hadn't claimed so suddenly and so early though =.=

I like Dwlee's paranoia about possible RC manipulation. Unsure about Asph now; will look at that tomorrow.

RC: “Hypos bodyguard targets”? Also since your plan won’t work, did you have any other ideas as to what you think we should do?

Apricity · Post Post #214 (isolation #7) » Tue May 03, 2016 4:53 pm

In post 181, Performer wrote:@Apr why did you bring up trolling when I'm not?
You also have a good memory of our game where you as scum, tricked everyone , including Thor665 and I.
VOTE: Apricity

I didn't say you were trolling =O I said I didn't remember you being lighthearted like that, with the self vote and pretending to be a newbie. I also have no idea why you voted me.

Apricity · Post Post #217 (isolation #8) » Tue May 03, 2016 5:24 pm

@FT, it was mostly this:

In post 189, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 177, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 144, Dwlee99 wrote:5 bucks says he is the traitor. 5 flippin bucks

It strikes me as a little odd that you're accusing RC of
specifically
being the traitor.

What makes you say that?

they asked to be a weak bodyguard target. idk anymore though

but yea rc's plan "worked" because they tricked everyone but here it doesn't make sense. The setup is NOT breakable, please stop trying.
@FourTrouble normally games aren't like this :I
BACK TO SCUMHUNTING!!!

And to some extent this:

In post 127, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 125, BNL wrote:
In post 124, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 122, BNL wrote:@Dwlee Did RC actually have a strategy, or did he just repeatedly claim to have one (and actually did not)?

the strategy was to no lynch repeatedly. He said he "did the math in a spreadsheet" and said his plan was the best.

Did he go through the plan in full detail?

yes. He did. I'll go link the game

Because of the attempt to pull the conversation back to normal scumhunting, and his conviction that the same thing (RC stringing town along with a plan) is happening here. It's not a firm read though...and you seem to disagree. Why?

Apricity · Post Post #219 (isolation #9) » Tue May 03, 2016 5:30 pm

Really?

In post 118, Dwlee99 wrote:Rc is this like the "breaking strategy" from.the traitor.micro? You are doing the same thing, claim a strat but wont reveal all the details while you laugh about it. after all you are the.most cunning.manipulator
VOTE: Radiantcowbells

In post 144, Dwlee99 wrote:5 bucks says he is the traitor. 5 flippin bucks

In post 146, Dwlee99 wrote:Youre the traitor. I know it

Apricity · Post Post #221 (isolation #10) » Tue May 03, 2016 5:39 pm

I think Dwlee later responded that it was because RC had offered to be the N1 WBG target.

I'll come back to this tomorrow.

Apricity · Post Post #256 (isolation #11) » Wed May 04, 2016 6:08 am

Performer, I do that in most games when I see someone I recognize--Maths Mafia and Evolution Mafia, for example. How did you get "logical detective" out of that?

Spoiler: @Performer, also unrelated to the game

Back to game stuffs though, why did you call that thing "interesting" (re. Dwlee)? Is it scummy?

Apricity · Post Post #258 (isolation #12) » Wed May 04, 2016 6:21 am

I'm just having a bit of trouble sorting him. He's not obvtown like he was to me in Space Invaders, but the general confidence and withdrawing when pressured is the same.

RC, can you answer my question from a while ago about what "hypo bodyguard" means? Also, how do you feel about Dwlee and...well. Everyone actually. Idk what you think about anyone (besides maybe FT since you voted him).

Apricity · Post Post #260 (isolation #13) » Wed May 04, 2016 6:32 am

UNVOTE: Asph
VOTE: Garmr

We can start here then. I'll need more from RC in terms of his thoughts before I can read him.

Apricity · Post Post #266 (isolation #14) » Wed May 04, 2016 6:48 am

I don't like voting people I'm not sure about, but okay >.>

VOTE: RC

What do you think so far?

p-edit: Because his response to RC's plan--the "no one vote I just realized scum can NK the WBG's target" really didn't feel like something scum would bring up when no one had noticed it before.

Apricity · Post Post #268 (isolation #15) » Wed May 04, 2016 6:52 am

In post 267, FourTrouble wrote:
In post 266, Apricity wrote:I don't like voting people I'm not sure about, but okay >.>

Were you sure about Garmr?

Moreso than about RC. He's admitted to apathy about the game and doesn't have any reads that I remember.

Apricity · Post Post #269 (isolation #16) » Wed May 04, 2016 6:56 am

In post 247, Dwlee99 wrote:TellTaleHeart
Garmr
Bellaphant
alban
Performer
Asphodel
nnn_thekushmountains
off the top of my head the scum are in here most likely (I removed those I townread)

Why are Kush and Bella in this list?

Apricity · Post Post #277 (isolation #17) » Wed May 04, 2016 7:24 am

Kush was different, like town different--I talked about that before somewhere.

I don't think Garmr has contributed anything at all to the game. Whereas for RC I think he genuinely thought his plan would work, and exhibited the same kind of firmness in pushing it like he showed in Space Invaders, where he was town (there, he also strongly advocated for a plan of 1x doc protection within the setup). Dwlee's paranoid that it's just him manipulating people, but then RC dropped it when he saw it wouldn't work instead of pushing it through anyway as it seems he did in the game Dwlee cited. That's part of why I had reservations about voting him. At the same time though, he isn't as open with his thoughts as before--hence my wanting him to post more before forming a more solid opinion.

@FT: It didn't give me a townread. It lessened my suspicion about him early on, so I think overall it balances back out to null. I left it there because no one had done anything scummy enough to make me want to move it off.

p-edit: RC is male.

Apricity · Post Post #281 (isolation #18) » Wed May 04, 2016 7:51 am

RC, at least tell us where you're at currently before you go back to being V/LA? I don't know what you think about anyone.

Apricity · Post Post #317 (isolation #19) » Wed May 04, 2016 6:05 pm

In post 282, Performer wrote:Apr's reliance on rcs reads, looks much like her first game onsite, which happened to be my first one too . In that game , she was not town.

What is this supposed to mean? RC doesn't even have any reads.

Apricity · Post Post #318 (isolation #20) » Wed May 04, 2016 6:07 pm

In post 283, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 269, Apricity wrote:
In post 247, Dwlee99 wrote:TellTaleHeart
Garmr
Bellaphant
alban
Performer
Asphodel
nnn_thekushmountains
off the top of my head the scum are in here most likely (I removed those I townread)

Why are Kush and Bella in this list?

kush is actually likely town for the bg claim but what has bella done deserving of a town read?

I was thinking of 97. It's a weaker read though since she hasn't posted much.

Apricity · Post Post #319 (isolation #21) » Wed May 04, 2016 6:11 pm

In post 284, Performer wrote:Question to you Apr - do you like playing as town or scum more?

I like them both in principle, but it's also dependent on the playing environment. If I'm not having fun then I won't like playing no matter what my alignment is.

Apricity · Post Post #320 (isolation #22) » Wed May 04, 2016 6:13 pm

In post 285, RadiantCowbells wrote:strong scumread on perf.

Due to what specifically?

Apricity · Post Post #321 (isolation #23) » Wed May 04, 2016 6:14 pm

In post 288, RadiantCowbells wrote:townread dwlee
townread apri

slight townread bella

scumread on TTH.

Why TTH? I have her down as slight town.

Apricity · Post Post #323 (isolation #24) » Wed May 04, 2016 6:24 pm

Who's her brother?

Apricity · Post Post #328 (isolation #25) » Wed May 04, 2016 6:49 pm

That was like 4 pages ago...and how does FT's claim affect your read on Kush?

Apricity · Post Post #366 (isolation #26) » Thu May 05, 2016 7:57 am

In post 355, Performer wrote:
In post 317, Apricity wrote:
In post 282, Performer wrote:Apr's reliance on rcs reads, looks much like her first game onsite, which happened to be my first one too . In that game , she was not town.

What is this supposed to mean? RC doesn't even have any reads.

And he does have reads. You asked him for them, he stated some his reads on Bella/me/Tell.

Those came *after* you made that post. So at the time, no he did not have reads.

Apricity · Post Post #367 (isolation #27) » Thu May 05, 2016 8:02 am

In post 351, Performer wrote:i outright lied in my 1st post here and no one but Apri pointed it out. for some reason she thought it was important enough to point out, which was reason for my scumread of her. she picks at the weirdest nuances when she plays as scum. her replies are incredibly ambiguous too, such as the one to my question of her liking town or scum faction more

I can't really do anything about it if you think my like for playing both town and scum is ambiguous :/ If you're really worried about it though you can read my GTKAS too, because I gave essentially the same response, and that was way before this game.

Apricity · Post Post #368 (isolation #28) » Thu May 05, 2016 8:04 am

Re. TTH: Performer, see 213.

Apricity · Post Post #369 (isolation #29) » Thu May 05, 2016 8:08 am

In post 359, Performer wrote:Has anyone ever seen her mention something like that, in her post "baggage optional reading?"
She stated she was trying something different than her usual , this game - posts like that strike me as scummy more than town, unless a player has a known history of doing different playstyles.

I wouldn't know about the first part, but why does trying something different make you feel like it's more scummy than town?

Apricity · Post Post #407 (isolation #30) » Fri May 06, 2016 3:10 am

@Heur: Note the sequence of events here. 282, Performer says "Apr's reliance on rcs reads..." At this time, RC had not posted any reads. Those came in 285 and 288. So I was asking Performer what he meant by that in my 317 when I was catching up, because how can he argue that I'm relying on RC's reads when he didn't have any? I hope that clears things up.

Apricity · Post Post #409 (isolation #31) » Fri May 06, 2016 3:18 am

In post 379, heuristically_alone wrote:For now, VOTE: Bullet

Is this just because you think he's got too many townreads? I actually liked that post and I'm townreading him rn.

Apricity · Post Post #410 (isolation #32) » Fri May 06, 2016 3:22 am

I have an exam in like 2 hours so I need to go do some last-minute studying. Will catch up on the rest of this tonight.

Apricity · Post Post #493 (isolation #33) » Sat May 07, 2016 2:01 am

I'll be playing at a wedding and we need to rehearse soon so I won't be back till late. Sorry >.< At a glance though, I feel like Expi is town and I'm less sure about Heur.

Apricity · Post Post #520 (isolation #34) » Sat May 07, 2016 9:20 pm

In post 514, Asphodel wrote:I'm extremely used to being able to talk to people outside of the thread to figure out my thoughts on things. Not having that this game has made it way harder to do that and it's definitely throwing me off

Talk to people outside the thread? Isn't that not allowed in pretty much every game?

Apricity · Post Post #521 (isolation #35) » Sat May 07, 2016 9:21 pm

In post 491, Expedience wrote:I have very bad feelings about some of zakk's posts. But papermaker's iso is comparatively unproblematic.

Assuming those are two unrelated statements...because iirc Zakk replaced Garmr and Heur replaced Papermaker. Either way, can you elaborate on Zakk?

Apricity · Post Post #522 (isolation #36) » Sat May 07, 2016 9:34 pm

Not sure I like how Asph's read on Dwlee flipped so fast just now :/ I feel that Dwlee's elaborations were mostly just summary of the posts, except that last one, so idk why that was enough to merit an unvote based on what he suspected him for. Asph, what were you reading differently about Papermaker's posts? What's your read on Heur/Paper rn?

Apricity · Post Post #523 (isolation #37) » Sat May 07, 2016 9:43 pm

Re. BnL, I'd have to go back and read tomorrow (today? it's super late/early rn and my sleep schedule is totally messed up). I think he posted like that a lot in Maths Mafia too; he does tend to catch onto details. Maybe he was a bit more open with his thoughts there. I've had him down as town so far, though admittedly I haven't re-read stuff to update some of my reads. Too tired atm for deep thinking =.=

Apricity · Post Post #539 (isolation #38) » Sun May 08, 2016 9:51 am

In post 409, Apricity wrote:
In post 379, heuristically_alone wrote:For now, VOTE: Bullet
Is this just because you think he's got too many townreads? I actually liked that post and I'm townreading him rn.

Heur, are you there? ^

Apricity · Post Post #544 (isolation #39) » Sun May 08, 2016 3:26 pm

UNVOTE:

Forgot that was there.
RC, you were on BnL. Why was that, and why don't you like that wagon (for lack of a better term) anymore?

Apricity · Post Post #584 (isolation #40) » Mon May 09, 2016 5:07 pm

In post 578, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Expedience

I demand people sheep me at once!

Rawr.

Why? I've been reading Expi as town.

Apricity · Post Post #585 (isolation #41) » Mon May 09, 2016 5:11 pm

In post 569, nnn_thekushmountains wrote:RadiantCowbells - TOWN
TellTaleHeart
Dwlee99
zakk Garmr
Bellaphant - TOWN
heuristically_alone papermaker
BulletNLynchproof - TOWN
Expedience alban
FourTrouble
Performer
Asphodel - TOWN
Apricity

Also why is Asph town to you?

Apricity · Post Post #633 (isolation #42) » Tue May 10, 2016 11:09 am

Back from my AP exam. Will read after dinner and some homework.

Apricity · Post Post #647 (isolation #43) » Tue May 10, 2016 3:14 pm

In post 635, nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Apricity - the invisible man? All I know about him is AP tests. Damn kids. I'm like 28 son.

I'm a she, and I'm not invisible >.< But you're not reading stuff before this so I suppose you'd think that. Let me catch up.

Apricity · Post Post #648 (isolation #44) » Tue May 10, 2016 3:16 pm

In post 636, nnn_thekushmountains wrote:lol apricity you would use an SAT word as your username.

It's not, actually. It's an archaic word that means the warmth of the sun in winter--I just liked the way it sounded :3

Apricity · Post Post #649 (isolation #45) » Tue May 10, 2016 3:18 pm

In post 592, zakk wrote:
In post 57, Apricity wrote:VOTE: Asphodel at least until I get my questions answered.
I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE DO THIS

idk if it's scummy or not though...

Hate it when people do what? Vote?

Apricity · Post Post #650 (isolation #46) » Tue May 10, 2016 3:19 pm

In post 599, zakk wrote:you're alive :X

wtf. aaugahd;gas;dlgjhas;dlgfadhsasldkf

Who was this directed to?

Apricity · Post Post #651 (isolation #47) » Tue May 10, 2016 3:22 pm

In post 603, Expedience wrote:
In post 599, zakk wrote:you're alive :X

wtf. aaugahd;gas;dlgjhas;dlgfadhsasldkf
ok?

Also, nevermind, maybe you're town.

Is the reason you're retracting your zakk scumread because he's voting Asph now?

Apricity · Post Post #652 (isolation #48) » Tue May 10, 2016 3:25 pm

In post 611, Asphodel wrote:Regarding Papermaker, there's not a whole lot. Dwlee read the discussion of a scumread during discussion of RC's gamebreaking stuff as town. I read it as scummy.
I feel like town would care more about winning the game than the vote.

I don't get the bolded and who that's addressing.

Apricity · Post Post #653 (isolation #49) » Tue May 10, 2016 3:48 pm

Some of those posts that Asph pointed out were things that pinged me when I first read through Heur's catchup as well, hence why I liked Expi's better. But I do see a lot of town motivation there (see 552, 560, and 473) which I liked, so I agree with Kush that the awkward wording could be because he's new.

Also, that string of posts by Kush at the bottom of page 25 was very town. I don't like how BnL seemed to capitalize on the growing suspicion on Asph though; it didn't really address the substance of the post and just wrote it off as not genuine.
@BnL, would you have been okay with the post if there weren't a vote attached? What about a vote makes you think it wasn't a town reaction?

Apricity · Post Post #654 (isolation #50) » Tue May 10, 2016 4:08 pm

@Asph: Iirc, you haven't really made a solid vote till now. Others like the ones on Performer and Dwlee were both quickly retracted on very little basis. Do you have scumreads outside of those who scumread you (Expi, Zakk, maybe Heur)?

Apricity · Post Post #718 (isolation #51) » Wed May 11, 2016 8:00 am

@Performer: I post those so people know why I can't post if I'm unable to post. I don't see what you think is odd about that.

Apricity · Post Post #719 (isolation #52) » Wed May 11, 2016 8:01 am

Not even reading Zakk's percentages posts, just saying.

Apricity · Post Post #721 (isolation #53) » Wed May 11, 2016 8:20 am

In post 663, BNL wrote:
In post 653, Apricity wrote: Also, that string of posts by Kush at the bottom of page 25 was very town.
Can you tell me what was town about it? I got a completely opposite feeling.

In 622, his opposition to the growing Asph wagon, esp. "you guys are crazy" comes off as very genuine. It'd be much easier for scum to just distance if Asph is scum or jump on the wagon if he's town given how much support it had, but he didn't do that and his defense of Asph looking beyond just the vote showed a town mindset imo. Same thing with his pointing out that he doesn't have scumreads either in 624--I really don't see scum's natural response to Expi's post as drawing attention to their own lack of reads as he did. Why did you get the opposite feeling?

Apricity · Post Post #740 (isolation #54) » Wed May 11, 2016 9:13 am

In post 688, FourTrouble wrote:Apricity, can you give me an update on your reads? Who do you want to lynch and why?

Excluding you and Kush because claims, I have:
Town - Bella, Expi
Slight town - Heur, BnL, TTH, Dwlee
Still haven't sorted properly - RC (awaiting his promised catch-up), Performer (he's been talking about me being weirdly nitpicky, but I find the things he's focusing on about me this game are also weird--like the "I have AP exams" or whatever, me pointing out that I knew him, or that I like playing town and scum about equally--but I haven't figured out whether this borderline paranoia is genuine or not)
Slight scum - Either Zakk or Asph but not both, imo. For once I agree with Performer that those recent posts of Zakk's weren't good, but Zakk's vote on Asph makes me unsure. Still waiting for his independent reasons for scumreading Asph.

p-edit: Performer's reasons for scumreading Asph are pretty bad (Kush beat me to this). Especially the one about BnL's 620. That's the Asph vote I liked the least, and I said as much earlier...also reading again I just noticed this: Not that long ago BnL was saying how a lot of Asph's posts felt town, but then that one post by Asph is enough to overturn that and merit a vote. @BnL, explain this?

I need to think about this more; not sure the bottom half of my list makes sense together.

Apricity · Post Post #742 (isolation #55) » Wed May 11, 2016 9:14 am

In post 734, nnn_thekushmountains wrote:performer, tth, dwelee scumteam if I was forced to guess right now.

Why?

Apricity · Post Post #819 (isolation #56) » Thu May 12, 2016 5:08 am

So Kush, Asph, Expi, and BnL all claimed bodyguard, in that order. I feel like if it's not Asph then it's BnL who's lying here. Really don't think Kush is scum, and I townread Expi too.

@Zakk: What is the purpose of having bodyguards claim their targets, as long as only one of them is protecting FT?

Apricity · Post Post #820 (isolation #57) » Thu May 12, 2016 5:09 am

In post 807, nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Is anybody townreading tth?

I have a slight townread on her. But she hasn't said much lately so idk; I need to see more.

Apricity · Post Post #822 (isolation #58) » Thu May 12, 2016 5:16 am

In post 761, heuristically_alone wrote:
In post 622, nnn_thekushmountains wrote:You guys are crazy. Asphodels' case on HA is very smart and obviously town. I get what you are saying about asphodel being asked to read someone, then that read being turned into a scumread. But that's not a reason to scumread someone. Look at the content, which paints a convincing picture of HA's scumminess.

And content is not a buzzword. It is the meaning of what people say, ignoring rhetoric and tone.

Asphodel, you have my vote.
VOTE: HA
I recently read an article saying that in mafia the word "buzzword" has become a buzzword and is used more typically by mafia. Not an extremely strong case, just something I noticed here

In post 768, heuristically_alone wrote:I do like the Asphodel lynch today. I've given my reasons before. I believe we are at L-1 so
intent to hammer

Kind of irrelevant atm given the multiple bodyguard claims, but I did not like these posts from Heur. One was throwing shade without outright calling it scummy, and the other felt rushed given the amount of time we had/have.

I do think Zakk is more town after that plan and that outburst though.

Apricity · Post Post #825 (isolation #59) » Thu May 12, 2016 5:23 am

In post 814, BNL wrote:
In post 721, Apricity wrote:
In post 663, BNL wrote:
In post 653, Apricity wrote: Also, that string of posts by Kush at the bottom of page 25 was very town.
Can you tell me what was town about it? I got a completely opposite feeling.
In 622, his opposition to the growing Asph wagon, esp. "you guys are crazy" comes off as very genuine. It'd be much easier for scum to just distance if Asph is scum or jump on the wagon if he's town given how much support it had, but he didn't do that and his defense of Asph looking beyond just the vote showed a town mindset imo. Same thing with his pointing out that he doesn't have scumreads either in 624--I really don't see scum's natural response to Expi's post as drawing attention to their own lack of reads as he did. Why did you get the opposite feeling?
It was because I thought the post containing the case was scummy, and I found it weird that he actually declares the case to be obvtown. Though I must admit that I didn't read the case thoroughly, since I wasn't scumreading the post because of it (it was the vote). It read to me as defense of a scumbuddy (though its proven Asph/nnn aren't scumbuddies now)
Another thing is I didn't like is the vote and unvote on HA ten minutes later.

Why did you find him calling the Heur case obvtown weird when you didn't even read it thoroughly? Also, even before the bodyguard claims, that string of posts did not seem like defending a scumbuddy at all imo. Kush was a pretty well-established townread for most people by then. If he were scum (and I highly doubt he is), I don't think he would directly jeopardize that by defending someone widely scumread.

Apricity · Post Post #827 (isolation #60) » Thu May 12, 2016 5:31 am

Agree, but why shouldn't the other bodyguards target anyone? They've already claimed so scum know who they are, and like Zakk said earlier them dying from being NKed directly is functionally the same as dying in the place of someone else. So if they protect people then it throws another wrench into scum's NK options. Or am I missing something here?

Apricity · Post Post #832 (isolation #61) » Thu May 12, 2016 5:41 am

In post 819, Apricity wrote:@Zakk: What is the purpose of having bodyguards claim their targets, as long as only one of them is protecting FT?

Also RC, TTH, come talk please.

Apricity · Post Post #834 (isolation #62) » Thu May 12, 2016 5:42 am

In post 831, zakk wrote:
In post 826, FourTrouble wrote:We absolutely should not lynch one of the bodyguards Today. One bodyguard should protect me Tonight. Only one. The others should not target anyone.

The lynch should be between the claimed VTs (i.e. Apricity, Dwlee, TTH, Performer, RC, Bella, HA, and Zakk). We know there are at least two scum in that group, so the odds of lynching scum there is the same as lynching among the claimed bodyguards.
if the correct number of bodyguards have claimed, then there are THREE scum in that group, and we have 4 confirmed townies

and we can basically play the game just like normal because we have 4 conftown AND a weak cop inspection (i.e. the game is already waaaay broken in favor of town)

I'm not following this. 3 scum in which group? How do we have 4 conftown already?

Apricity · Post Post #836 (isolation #63) » Thu May 12, 2016 5:46 am

In post 835, FourTrouble wrote:Apricity, who do you think the scum are?

One of either Asph or BnL. Then I have Heur and Performer as people I'm not comfortable with anymore, but idk if they make sense together as scum. I've mostly focused on individuals.

Apricity · Post Post #844 (isolation #64) » Thu May 12, 2016 5:59 am

In post 837, FourTrouble wrote:Why not Zakk?

His effort into the plan and his outburst a page or so ago felt really genuine to me. I didn't like him much before, but his recent stuff is enough that I don't want to lynch him today.

As for Expi, I liked his catchup when he replaced in, 659 plus other stuff about Asph, and in general his focus and engagement that shows he's trying to figure things out.

Apricity · Post Post #848 (isolation #65) » Thu May 12, 2016 6:04 am

Okay Zakk, but we have 4 regular bodyguard claims now: Kush, Asph, Expi, and BnL. None of them are confirmed anything until we find out which of the claims are real and which aren't.

Apricity · Post Post #849 (isolation #66) » Thu May 12, 2016 6:05 am

In post 846, FourTrouble wrote:Expi isn't close to being town, either. He's easily the first bodyguard I'd lynch.

Why is that?

Apricity · Post Post #852 (isolation #67) » Thu May 12, 2016 6:14 am

In post 845, FourTrouble wrote:
In post 844, Apricity wrote:His effort into the plan and his outburst a page or so ago felt really genuine to me. I didn't like him much before, but his recent stuff is enough that I don't want to lynch him today.
Genuine? Yeah, he's talking about the setup. Not difficult for scum to be genuine about that. This is a really dumb reason to clear him. He's literally shown no interest in finding the scum, this entire game... how is that not scummy?

I can't find a hole in Zakk's plan (I haven't yet, anyway). Before this, we'd basically dropped setup talk. He brought it back up and I know you don't like setup spec, but I think it works, and I don't see much scum motivation for making a plan in the way he did if it actually works. This doesn't clear him; it just makes me not want to lynch him today.

That being said though, Zakk should have reads. <--- @Zakk

Apricity · Post Post #854 (isolation #68) » Thu May 12, 2016 6:18 am

Kush should be the one that guards FT.

Apricity · Post Post #866 (isolation #69) » Thu May 12, 2016 6:30 am

In post 856, zakk wrote:
In post 844, Apricity wrote:
In post 837, FourTrouble wrote:Why not Zakk?
His effort into the plan and his outburst a page or so ago felt really genuine to me. I didn't like him much before, but his recent stuff is enough that I don't want to lynch him today.

As for Expi, I liked his catchup when he replaced in, 659 plus other stuff about Asph, and in general his focus and engagement that shows he's trying to figure things out.
you buddying up to me makes me suspicious of you

Buddying, my foot. FT asked me why I don't want to lynch you today, so I told him.

p-edit: I'd forgotten about early game :/ I need to go out for a bit, but I'll reread when I get back.

Apricity · Post Post #977 (isolation #70) » Fri May 13, 2016 1:39 pm

In post 877, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 517, TellTaleHeart wrote:So far I've collected townreads on: Bellaphant, heuristically_alone, Expedience, FourTrouble, Apricity, and RC.
Adding zakk to this.

Explain the RC and Heur read to me?

Apricity · Post Post #978 (isolation #71) » Fri May 13, 2016 1:43 pm

In post 881, TellTaleHeart wrote:My reads on the claimed bodyguards are: BnL > kush = Asphodel > Expedience from scum to town. I think the scum in there is BnL, but I'm not nearly
cocky
confident enough to lynch in there and possibly burn a night for the weak bodyguard.

Why is Kush on the same level as Asph here?

Apricity · Post Post #980 (isolation #72) » Fri May 13, 2016 1:56 pm

In post 887, zakk wrote:muaahahahhahaha bella is one of the other scum

a quick iso makes that painfully obvious

this game is ez mode now

Went back to look since I had her down as town. Are you talking about how she was scumreading BnL, then 809 says she's happy to believe his claim, but then in 884 she's unsure again? You said she tried to cast doubt on BnL's claim but I'm not seeing that really? Like look at 809. Unless you're referring to something else, in which case please elaborate.

Apricity · Post Post #981 (isolation #73) » Fri May 13, 2016 2:03 pm

In post 898, zakk wrote:
In post 896, Asphodel wrote:I read Bellaphant town because she posted the only smart way to use the bodyguards. Haven't done much follow-up on that.

Performer I'm reading town too.

You're wrong and deserve to by lynched shortly.
this is a very interesting response. i didn't expect that

so which of the other bodyguards do you think is fake? BNL?

What kind of response were you expecting?

Apricity · Post Post #982 (isolation #74) » Fri May 13, 2016 2:06 pm

In post 915, Performer wrote:
In post 790, Dwlee99 wrote:The last time rc posted was like forever ago and you expect me to remember specific reasons why I townread him? lol
Dwlee is starting to make me feel strange about him. Not in a good way.

In post 920, Performer wrote:
In post 804, Dwlee99 wrote:@Asphodel I cant remember what made me town read rc.
scumread him with me, add him to your scumreads
he is scum , he must be scum this game from his play in this game

Why are you urging someone you don't feel good about to share your scumread?

Apricity · Post Post #983 (isolation #75) » Fri May 13, 2016 2:17 pm

In post 965, Performer wrote:Just finished glancing over Bella & Dwlee's ISOs, as I spoke of yesterday - hmm. A vast difference in engagement level between the two. I found Bella interesting as I have a bit of meta with her town play .

Anyone have meta on her scum play?

In post 968, Performer wrote:
In post 966, Performer wrote:
In post 964, nnn_thekushmountains wrote:@performer, how does communicating a big strategy make him scummy? or is it just that there's not much more than that?
That's the thing - there's not much more than that.
He came in the room, made big noise, then has been popping up out of potholes with brief vague posts, random excuses , bare vote, and asked about a list of the claims. It's not difficult to keep track of them as our victory is dependent on them since our PRs are one sided in power. We have no investigatives or other PRs.
---
I'm thinking Dwlee 's town. Bella I am thinking null.

You don't necessarily need meta to read people, right? That aside, why is Dwlee town while Bella is null?

Apricity · Post Post #984 (isolation #76) » Fri May 13, 2016 2:18 pm

In post 953, RadiantCowbells wrote:Too tired to read atm, long day.

There's 5 bodyguard claims? Can we get a list of them?

FT claimed weak bodyguard. Kush, Asph, Expi, and BnL claimed bodyguard. Do you have reads?

Apricity · Post Post #985 (isolation #77) » Fri May 13, 2016 2:21 pm

In post 975, Expedience wrote:
In post 974, Expedience wrote:VOTE: Performer

I forget why I was townreading Dwlee. I'm not sure any more.
Actually, fuck this. Things just feel wrong.

I don't want to lynch Performer.

VOTE: Bellaphant

I'd also like to know what feels wrong about voting Performer and why you voted Bella instead.

Apricity · Post Post #987 (isolation #78) » Fri May 13, 2016 2:23 pm

In post 986, RadiantCowbells wrote:I still really think Performer's scum.

Apri, engage with me please?

I'm trying. But it's hard when I don't really know how you feel about anyone (besides Performer, now). Which bodyguard claim do you think is fake?

Apricity · Post Post #993 (isolation #79) » Fri May 13, 2016 2:58 pm

In post 989, RadiantCowbells wrote:I want to scumread all of the BGs.

How does that work?

On a side note though, Dwlee looks better early game upon ISO. I'd forgotten things like 87-88 and 189. Though, 752 sticks out to me because I really don't think Performer had done good scumhunting at that point as much as pick at little things...and the way he seems to be holding his cards close still bothers me--like he'll call this or that "interesting" or that he has this idea but doesn't want to share--makes it hard for me to read him.

Apricity · Post Post #999 (isolation #80) » Fri May 13, 2016 3:29 pm

@Mod

: Can we have a vote count please?

Apricity · Post Post #1004 (isolation #81) » Fri May 13, 2016 3:43 pm

Agree with Zakk, and same goes for Expi--been waiting to hear why he voted Bella. Also hoping TTH comes back to answer my questions so I can read her better. I'll re-read for TTH and Performer and vote in the morning. Consecutive late nights have made me very tired rn.

Apricity · Post Post #1006 (isolation #82) » Fri May 13, 2016 3:46 pm

Thanks.

(I've had IB chem exam yesterday and today; I'll get there eventually

)

Apricity · Tue May 17, 2016 10:22 am

Ah, I didn't realize how much time I spend playing mafia until the site stopped working lol.

Apricity · Tue May 17, 2016 10:34 am

In post 1019, RadiantCowbells wrote:1017 bugs me. I think that might be scum.

Why did that bug you? It was completely unrelated to this game.

Apricity · Tue May 17, 2016 10:36 am

In post 1020, RadiantCowbells wrote:Asphodel is the only semi townread I have in the BGs so I want him on fourtrouble.
Kush can be on me?
Expe on Apricity who is my top townread?
I think Zakk is probably scum this game regardless of Performer's alignment but I'm not really in the mood to argue with him about whether he should be BGed since I don't have any super strong townreads rn.

Asph is the one I trust the least among the BG claims...I'd rather have Kush on him.

Apricity · Tue May 17, 2016 10:39 am

In post 1027, heuristically_alone wrote:Bullet, why are you hesitant on voting?

Why'd you ask this question, and why BnL in particular when neither I nor Bella have votes down rn either?

Apricity · Tue May 17, 2016 10:42 am

TTH, can you answer these for me please?

In post 977, Apricity wrote:
In post 877, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 517, TellTaleHeart wrote:So far I've collected townreads on: Bellaphant, heuristically_alone, Expedience, FourTrouble, Apricity, and RC.
Adding zakk to this.
Explain the RC and Heur read to me?

In post 978, Apricity wrote:
In post 881, TellTaleHeart wrote:My reads on the claimed bodyguards are: BnL > kush = Asphodel > Expedience from scum to town. I think the scum in there is BnL, but I'm not nearly
cocky
confident enough to lynch in there and possibly burn a night for the weak bodyguard.
Why is Kush on the same level as Asph here?

Apricity · Post Post #1046 (isolation #88) » Tue May 17, 2016 2:53 pm

In post 1042, Bellaphant wrote:@apr, i've said (or was saying, idek if tigers ate it) that my vote is on performer in spirit, i didn't wanna let scum hammer before bg plan.

Ah, okay. I must have missed that; my bad.

Apricity · Post Post #1062 (isolation #89) » Wed May 18, 2016 4:14 am

In post 1061, nnn_thekushmountains wrote:bullet, can you provide an example of performer's towniness?

I'd like to hear this as well.

Apricity · Post Post #1064 (isolation #90) » Wed May 18, 2016 4:47 am

Asph, but we're not lynching among the BG claims today. Followed by Performer and I'm undecided between RC and TTH.

Apricity · Post Post #1066 (isolation #91) » Wed May 18, 2016 5:06 am

I find Performer worse, but if we're talking about TTH...I find some of her positions strange--her explanation about putting Kush and Asph on the same level in terms of credibility don't satisfy me totally, and the post 381 that she quoted as being "healthy doubt" wasn't something that I found towny. And I have sort of mixed feelings because she clearly scumreads Performer too, and vice versa.

Apricity · Post Post #1067 (isolation #92) » Wed May 18, 2016 5:11 am

*doesn't satisfy me

Apricity · Post Post #1069 (isolation #93) » Wed May 18, 2016 8:44 am

Just back from the second half of my French exam. Let me get something to eat and I'll get back to you. Off the top of my head though, the thing that's bothering me about this is that I'm not sure the two of them, if scum together, would be double bussing ish given the current suspicion on both of them.

Apricity · Post Post #1077 (isolation #94) » Wed May 18, 2016 9:46 am

In post 1070, zakk wrote:scum 101 says double bussing would mitigate the suspicion on them or at least introduce plenty of wifom, if they're both scum

are they both scum? probably not. but maybe. and since it's D1 i'm not gonna be too broken up if we lynch (mostly) useless town.

i'd prefer TTH by a fair chunk.

actually,
unvote; Vote: TTH

Weren't you already voting TTH?

Apricity · Wed May 18, 2016 10:23 am

In post 1074, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 1066, Apricity wrote:I find Performer worse, but if we're talking about TTH...I find some of her positions strange--her explanation about putting Kush and Asph on the same level in terms of credibility don't satisfy me totally, and the post 381 that she quoted as being "healthy doubt" wasn't something that I found towny. And I have sort of mixed feelings because she clearly scumreads Performer too, and vice versa.
If you think Asph is a lot scummier, I disagree.
And I disagree with your assessment of 381.

Contradicting people is fun!

How is Asph town? Did you read Zakk's long post on the BG claims?
381 was a bunch of wishy washiness, and not the town variety imo. The other two you quoted were better.

Are you going to answer Zakk anytime soon?

Apricity · Post Post #1083 (isolation #96) » Wed May 18, 2016 3:45 pm

Have we even confirmed BG targets beyond Kush on FT?

Apricity · Post Post #1086 (isolation #97) » Wed May 18, 2016 4:13 pm

The BGs should claim targets though, so there aren't duplicates.

Apricity · Post Post #1088 (isolation #98) » Wed May 18, 2016 4:45 pm

If memory serves, not so long ago I was the one asking you why that was necessary and you said it was so there weren't any duplicate targets and thus double deaths

Apricity · Post Post #1154 (isolation #99) » Thu May 19, 2016 8:16 am

Agree with Kush that 442 was a weak thing to call towny for Performer.

@Kush: Re. your 1104 - I wouldn't call Performer lynchbait; he's a good player from what I've seen. And idk about myself being a good player, but the thing that bothered me about his "paranoia" was that he was weirdly focused on picking at things that were really null, such as me pointing out that we knew each other, my reply to his question about whether I liked playing town or scum better, and my posts notifying people when I'd be busy.

Not done reading yet but idk how to feel about the way this Dwlee wagon just popped up. Looking through Kush's case on him rn.

Apricity · Thu May 19, 2016 8:42 am

In post 87, Dwlee99 wrote:If multiple bgs protect the weak one they all die

In post 88, Dwlee99 wrote:holy shit your strategy could lose the game

This plus Performer's abrupt switch to voting Dwlee are making me rethink him. Oh yeah and about punctuation--I think Dwlee's punctuation has been like that all game and not just now...anyone know if this is something he does as both town and scum?

Apricity · Thu May 19, 2016 8:59 am

Ugh. Performer wants a Dwlee lynch, RC wants a Performer lynch, Dwlee wants a Performer lynch, and TTH I think also wants a Performer lynch and so does Heur? I feel like I need to rethink Performer now too.

Apricity · Thu May 19, 2016 9:18 am

In post 1163, Dwlee99 wrote:phone posting = less correct punctuation.
What is even wrong with my punctuation?

That you don't use spaces very much and instead use periods between words?

Apricity · Thu May 19, 2016 10:01 am

In post 1168, Performer wrote:
In post 1164, Apricity wrote:Ugh. Performer wants a Dwlee lynch, RC wants a Performer lynch, Dwlee wants a Performer lynch, and TTH I think also wants a Performer lynch and so does Heur? I feel like I need to rethink Performer now too.
you're making me rethink
you

but as I said, things should get clearer as the game goes on

obviously no one but me played with you , Apricity.

It's just that my reads aren't lining up because, aside from Asph, my scumreads are all voting my other scumread.
RC has played with me, and so has Zakk, and so has BnL (briefly). FT has too but not on this site. Is there a reason I should have mentioned it?

Apricity · Thu May 19, 2016 11:16 am

In post 1186, heuristically_alone wrote:
In post 1164, Apricity wrote:Ugh. Performer wants a Dwlee lynch, RC wants a Performer lynch, Dwlee wants a Performer lynch, and TTH I think also wants a Performer lynch and so does Heur? I feel like I need to rethink Performer now too.
Is there another player you find scummy? I wouldn't mind making a push on Zakk either, get some answers out of him.

I townread Zakk, and idk why you aren't.

Apricity · Fri May 20, 2016 8:19 am

I'll only be able to get online today for about twenty minutes starting now. What's happened recently?

Apricity · Fri May 20, 2016 8:25 am

In post 1209, Asphodel wrote:I've got a lot to catch up on. I'm in the middle of doing so but before I finish, why are we having the
most
obviously town bodyguard on Fourtrouble? I'd gladly trade Fourtrouble for a confirmed scum, maybe even if it's the traitor. I'd rather do:

BNL on Kush
Expedience on FourTrouble
Me on RC
Kush on nobody

That way Kush & Four both survive the night. Or at least if theydon't we get a confirmed scum.

I feel like we really shouldn't do this...The point of having the most town BG on FT is so that we maximize the chance that FT is securely protected. And I thought we were having the WBG aim for town confirmations so we can get as many clears as possible before he dies? Or is that not happening anymore? Zakk's better at this kind of thing; I hope he's addressed this somewhere.

Apricity · Fri May 20, 2016 8:30 am

Asph wallposting makes me feel better about him. Which is worrying actually, because then I'm probably really wrong about the BG claims.
1214 Ok Zakk did talk about that, good.
I'd feel better about a Heur lynch than a Dwlee lynch. VOTE: Heur

Apricity · Fri May 20, 2016 8:32 am

In post 1229, nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
In post 1213, RadiantCowbells wrote:Asphodel on fourtrouble pls because leading townread.
No.

In post 1034, nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Here's what I propose:
Player - Bodyguard
FT - Kush
RadiantCowbells - Asphodel
zakk - Bulletnlynchproof
Apricity - Expedience

This list? Okay.

Apricity · Fri May 20, 2016 8:34 am

In post 1252, RadiantCowbells wrote:We're not doing fuckign Dwlee he's town.

If you reallyd on't want Performer we can do HA but we are NOT doing Dwlee.

Why are you so sure about this?

Apricity · Mon May 23, 2016 8:46 am

In post 1342, Asphodel wrote:Apricity, can you explain the townread on Expedience? It seems like something you've held for a while.

As of day end, I townread Expi mainly for his focused catchup posts as well as his case on you which seemed really genuine (490, 614-615, 659). I liked your posting near the end of the day though, so I think I need to reconsider things in light of the flips.

Apricity · Mon May 23, 2016 8:46 am

In post 1363, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 1362, zakk wrote:
In post 1354, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Zakk

I forgot that Scum!RC has so much issues backtracking on reads.
See you baldy.
but do you think i'm scum?

if not, this vote reflects terribly on you as well
I think you're reasonably likely to be scum and also worth getting rid of if you're town.

Why?

Apricity · Mon May 23, 2016 8:53 am

In post 1347, Dwlee99 wrote:[7] heuristically_alone : BELLAPHANT, RADIANTCOWBELLS, DWLEE99, ASPHODEL, APRICITY, EXPEDIENCE, TELLTALEHEART (LYNCH)
Ugh ok I need to find who the bodyguard claims are one sec

In post 1348, Dwlee99 wrote:I cant find them someone help

Dwlee's lack of attention about bodyguard claims is odd considering how important they are. But I feel like scum would be paying a lot of attention to the claims, so it might be unaware town rather than detached scum. Still, I find it a little hard to believe that he didn't know who claimed bodyguard.

Apricity · Mon May 23, 2016 9:12 am

Just getting this written down first. I included wagons for TTH, Dwlee, HA, and Perf.

As of 1000:

TTH: Perf, Zakk
Dwlee:
HA:
Perf: TTH, RC

As of 1026:
TTH: Perf, Zakk
Dwlee:
HA:
Perf: TTH, RC, Kush 1003, HA 1013, Dwlee 1014 L-2

As of 1091:
TTH: Perf, BnL 1060, Zakk 1070
Dwlee:
HA:
Perf: TTH, RC, Kush, HA, Dwlee, Expi 1091 L-1, Kush unvotes 1098

As of 1140:
TTH: BnL
Dwlee: Kush 1124, Perf 1134, Zakk 1138, Bella 1141
HA:
Perf: TTH, RC, HA, Dwlee, Expi L-2

Everything after:
TTH:

BnL

Dwlee: Kush, Perf, Zakk,

Bella

,

Asph 1251

HA:

Asph 1211

, Bella 1257, RC 1263, Dwlee 1266, Asph 1268, Apri 1276, Expi 1324, TTH 1328 Lynch
Perf: TTH, RC, HA, Dwlee, Expi, BnL 1243 L-1

Apricity · Mon May 23, 2016 9:18 am

Oops I messed up the last one. Will go fix.

Apricity · Mon May 23, 2016 9:23 am

Everything after:
TTH:

BnL

Dwlee: Kush, Perf, Zakk,

Bella

,

Asph 1251

HA:

Asph 1211

, Bella 1257, RC 1263, Dwlee 1266, Asph 1268, Apri 1276, Expi 1324, TTH 1328 Lynch
Perf:

TTH

,

RC

, HA,

Dwlee

,

Expi

, BnL 1243

Apricity · Mon May 23, 2016 9:25 am

Expi, what was your thinking here again?

In post 975, Expedience wrote:
In post 974, Expedience wrote:VOTE: Performer

I forget why I was townreading Dwlee. I'm not sure any more.
Actually, fuck this. Things just feel wrong.

I don't want to lynch Performer.

VOTE: Bellaphant

In post 1091, Expedience wrote:Okay.

I'll go with Performer.

VOTE: Performer

L-1.

Apricity · Mon May 23, 2016 9:29 am

In post 1371, zakk wrote:and what conclusions do you draw from that, apricity?

I just finished with links. Haven't had time to look at it yet. But Bella's 1257 vote stands out because I think there was an L-1 wagon on Performer at that time and she went for HA instead. Also don't understand Dwlee's 1266 vote--no reasoning was given iirc and it wasn't connected to the rest of his post.

Apricity · Mon May 23, 2016 9:44 am

Sigh...I need to do my homework first.

Zakk, talk to me about the remaining BG claims in the meantime?

Apricity · Tue May 24, 2016 2:52 am

In post 1408, Asphodel wrote:Apricity, why'd you vote H_A over Performer? You said you preferred it to dwlee but by my count Performer and H_A each had four votes at the time of your vote.

I didn't know that--I only had a short amount of time to post, and I thought that the leading wagons were Dwlee and HA, so I voted HA because I found him more scummy than Dwlee.

Apricity · Tue May 24, 2016 2:57 am

In post 1398, Performer wrote:
In post 1223, FourTrouble wrote:Let me catch up.

From what I recall, Dwlee felt town, and Performer had hints of town (e.g. the paranoia of Saph felt genuine). HA sounds like an okay lynch, though.
who's saph?

I think me meant me. On another site we both play mafia, people call me Saph--it's an abbreviation of my username there.

Apricity · Tue May 24, 2016 3:34 am

In post 1412, Expedience wrote:
In post 1364, Apricity wrote:so I think I need to reconsider things in light of the flips.
Isn't it something passive? Don't you see the flip and things just make a different kind of sense? Why is it something you have to do, "I have to write a post about how I'm reconsidering things in light of the flips"?

Yeah, like I was scumreading Asph and townreading you, and I'm starting to question that but I don't see what's bothering you about it exactly.

Apricity · Tue May 24, 2016 3:37 am

In post 1426, TellTaleHeart wrote:Hey everyone, I'm still alive but I won't be able to actually do anything here until tonight and maybe tomorrow.

When you do, I'd like updated reads from you.

Apricity · Tue May 24, 2016 3:39 am

In post 1408, Asphodel wrote:
In post 1376, zakk wrote: the fake one is either asphodel or expedience, because
BNL as scum doesn't claim on a whim after the three real ones have claimed
, and also he just seems the towniest of the three due to other stuff.
This is wrong.

Asph, can you explain this more? Not sure what you're getting at here.

Apricity · Wed May 25, 2016 10:57 am

@Asph: I feel like BnL's first question was legit--I also wondered why Performer brought that up when I read the post since FT's an un-cc'd WBG. Agree about the second part though.

Apricity · Thu May 26, 2016 3:01 pm

In post 1460, zakk wrote:
In post 1454, TellTaleHeart wrote:Hey RC and Bella, let's wagon BnL. It'll be hilarious.

VOTE: BnL
50 scum points says this is cheeky scum naming their scumbuddies and reveling in town attrition

Town attrition?

^ Could've sworn I asked this earlier; idk why it didn't post.

Apricity · Thu May 26, 2016 3:12 pm

I'm also fine with lynching TTH--1454 was terrible.

p-edit: I assumed Zakk was including BnL in there with the naming scumbuddies part. Why did you default to BnL being VT? You scumread him right? Unless I'm misunderstanding what you meant.

Apricity · Thu May 26, 2016 3:22 pm

Wait, nvm. I somehow thought there were 4 scum for a sec. In that case, 1454 is still terrible but Zakk's wrong there.

Apricity · Fri May 27, 2016 2:56 pm

In post 1471, RadiantCowbells wrote:Why's Zakk still alive?

Why do you think Zakk is scum?

Apricity · Fri May 27, 2016 3:10 pm

BnL's double BG plan is objectively bad, but I'm more disliking the way he seems to be setting up for a vote on Dwlee after saying he preferred Performer yesterday.

BnL, why did you ask Dwlee about Bella specifically?

Apricity · Sat May 28, 2016 2:17 pm

VOTE: TTH

Also, "went out of my way to pooh-pooh you"? I just asked you a question

Apricity · Sat May 28, 2016 2:24 pm

Asph, why are those posts you linked about RC town? One was just stating reads which can be easily fabricated, and the other was better but still had an abrupt/unexplained read switch. He's largely faded out after that initial BG plan and overall I find your towncase on him rather weak...he also hasn't explained why he wants to lynch Zakk, who is one of my strongest townreads.

Apricity · Sat May 28, 2016 2:32 pm

In post 1515, Asphodel wrote:Yeah, it's pretty late in the phase for me to not have a vote down.

This part bothers me. Why are you concerned about when your vote goes down? Unless we're super close to deadline (we have lots of time left still) I don't see how you should consciously consider time as a factor in deciding whether you should or shouldn't have a vote down yet.

In post 1515, Asphodel wrote:OK, can people tell me about RC? They keep calling him "the most cunning manipulator" but his game has been extremely weak so far.

You're townreading him because his play is weak?

Apricity · Sun May 29, 2016 4:15 am

In post 1537, Asphodel wrote:
In post 1522, Apricity wrote:You're townreading him because his play is weak?
Yes. His scum game has been talked up so much. I'd be very surprised and disappointed if this legendary scumgame turned out to be just being active for the first week of the game and then voting people for no reason. This feels more like town apathy than scum.

I haven't played in a game where he was scum, but I have played in one where he was town and there his play was vastly different from here. His reads were kinda bad but he was nevertheless extremely obvotwn. I feel like if it's apathy then scum are more likely than town to become apathetic in this setup, especially if they feel like it's unwinnable with all the BGs.

In post 1537, Asphodel wrote:
In post 1521, Apricity wrote:Asph, why are those posts you linked about RC town? One was just stating reads which can be easily fabricated, and the other was better but still had an abrupt/unexplained read switch. He's largely faded out after that initial BG plan and overall I find your towncase on him rather weak...he also hasn't explained why he wants to lynch Zakk, who is one of my strongest townreads.
Rethinking reads without being pressured to do so reads town.

Then what about 996 to 997 to 1014?

Apricity · Sun May 29, 2016 1:18 pm

In post 1546, Asphodel wrote:Apricity: That change by dwlee is different because there's a vote involved. There's no reason for RC to change his read like that unless he went back and reevaluated his reads. For Dwlee there are lynch-evading reasons to change his mind

Okay, I get that. But he's still not acting like he did in his towngame with me.

Apricity · Sun May 29, 2016 1:20 pm

In post 1555, Titus wrote:My prior slot holder did not BG anyone... Or did he?

Just great.

Apricity · Sun May 29, 2016 1:21 pm

In post 1564, Dwlee99 wrote:you didn't, could you explain how you did?

I think he did? If this is what you're referring to: 1491

Apricity · Mon May 30, 2016 12:51 pm

In post 1640, zakk wrote:Oprah city doesn't feel particularly scam to me

In post 1643, zakk wrote:* atrocity
* scum
* townies

Omg Zakk my sides hurt XD

But yeah, Dwlee's been pretty town lately. We should also start planning who's BGing who.

Apricity · Tue May 31, 2016 1:26 pm

Unsure about Bella and Performer, but I really think Zakk is town, RC. Like he's one of my strongest townreads.

Apricity · Tue May 31, 2016 1:28 pm

In post 1680, Dwlee99 wrote:someone needs to interpret 1678 for me

Apricity · Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:42 pm

In post 1713, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 1712, Expedience wrote:
In post 1710, zakk wrote:No and no RC.

Whose show do I hate btw?

Time for bed

V salty about no wbg results

And OF COURSE Expe doesn't want TTH dead lol
What do you mean, of course. Your reads are bad and I seem to be pushing in the opposite direction to most of my townreads.
This is hugely likely to be SvS.

How so?

Apricity · Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:44 pm

In post 1717, Bellaphant wrote:I'd love an expert lynch, out of the bodyguards. Also, I think performer is town :s

Why and why? I thought you townread Zakk and Perf is scumreading him?

Apricity · Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:48 pm

Apricity · Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:50 pm

Liking RC's posting better now but I really don't get the tunnel on Zakk. Vote is probably not leaving TTH either; she's done literally nothing.

Apricity · Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:51 pm

In post 1706, Titus wrote:No hammer. I need to determine BG assignments and if TTH is a good lynch.

Have you picked who's guarding who yet?

Apricity · Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:39 am

In post 1781, Performer wrote:
In post 1774, Asphodel wrote:Hey Expedience why are you townreading TTH? You've mentioned it a few times but I haven't seen why.
I don't recall him expounding on his sudden townread of me, either. Interesting.

Where was this?

Apricity · Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:41 am

I'm not that good at setup spec, but I have absolutely no clue how not utilizing the WBG to get clears is a good idea. Thought the whole point of the WBG was to catch scum or find town, one way or the other?

Apricity · Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:45 am

@Mod: I will be V/LA until Saturday afternoon.

Taking two SAT subject tests on Saturday and I also have a 7 page paper due tomorrow that I haven't started :/ Won't have any more time until after the exams are over.

Apricity · Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:21 am

I'm back. And why is Expedience on Titus?

Apricity · Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:10 am

These posts make me think it could be TTH/RC with RC as traitor.

In post 42, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 36, BNL wrote:TTH and RC roleplaying makes me think that TTH isn't a traitor with RC scum. However, I do not like how they keep RPing without serious game related content, so I think there is scum in there. Knowing RC's style, I want to suspect TTH.
So you admit that the goofing off has to do with style in RC's case, but you want to use it to throw suspicion onto me.

VOTE: BulletNLynchproof

BnL was right about TTH, and at this early stage if TTH thinks RC is the traitor I can see her overreacting here. On the other hand, this points to a not-TTH/BnL pairing.

In post 177, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 144, Dwlee99 wrote:5 bucks says he is the traitor. 5 flippin bucks
It strikes me as a little odd that you're accusing RC of
specifically
being the traitor.

What makes you say that?

TTH having the same thought and being lowkey worried about someone picking it up is what I'm getting from here.

In post 311, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 285, RadiantCowbells wrote:strong scumread on perf.
I could agree with that.

In post 288, RadiantCowbells wrote:townread apri
slight townread bella
I could also agree with those.

In post 288, RadiantCowbells wrote:scumread on TTH.
Fine.
If you're really trying to read me though, that should change in the not-too-distant future.

The last sentence of this quote especially feels like TTH is confident that RC is the traitor and therefore knows that the scumread is something like token distancing and won't last.

In post 1454, TellTaleHeart wrote:Hey RC and Bella, let's wagon BnL. It'll be hilarious.

VOTE: BnL

Still not sure what to make of this. Either TTH and BnL were double bussing (since she scumread him elsewhere too) or some kind of gambit which idk what it was meant to achieve. BnL's behavior makes the former pretty unlikely though. So probs TTH/Expe/RC?

Apricity · Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:17 am

I don't understand the arguments for RC being town based on weak play. He was nothing like this in the towngame I played with him. It's also far more likely to me that he's scum who has almost given up because this setup is so townsided. @Zakk, talk to me about this?

Apricity · Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:19 am

Dwlee, it might still be a traitor among the BG claims though, and if that's the case and I'm wrong about RC being traitor I think it would be too dangerous to risk losing our BGs if all we're going to get is a traitor.

Apricity · Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:20 am

Gtg for dinner and hw. Will be back later tonight.

Apricity · Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:54 am

Prod received. Reading now; I've been occupied with my final projects for school. Can't wait for summer =.=

Apricity · Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:39 am

In post 2018, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like, so what if TTH thinks that I'm traitor. She doesn't know who the traitor is.

Can you find something in
my
play that indicates that I'm traitor?

The push on Performer D1 and switch to Heur, your unreasonable push on Zakk, general disengagement for a large part of the game, and defense of TTH.

Apricity · Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:42 am

I had to spell this out for Performer too >.> I do like playing as both town and scum, and it does depend on the people I'm playing with. I can't really do anything about it if you think that's being "evasive" or whatever--is it really so odd to like playing both alignments? I also said that if you're super concerned about it you can look at my GTKAS answer to the same question to assure yourself that I'm not being vague.

Apricity · Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:47 am

Like really,

"performer is really nailing apricity here, noticing all the same stuff i am.

and apricity is coming off terribly scummy."

in response to me saying I like playing as both town and scum just doesn't make any sense to me. What would my answer have told you either way? What if I had lied and said I only liked to play as town, or vice versa? It's a nearly meaningless question.

Apricity · Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:51 am

And as for

"apricity cares very much about making sure (a dead townie) is very clear about the order in which things happened, so that said dead townie will have no reason to suspect her..."

Heur (and Perf?) was/were literally wrong about what happened. It escapes me why you think refuting a false argument is bad.

Apricity · Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:01 am

@Expi: "Everyone is right, voting Dwlee is probably best..." When did that happen? Dwlee is likely town. So is Zakk, even though he's so far off the mark here. He read me wrong in the last game we played together too.

Apricity · Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:09 am

Like of the quotes you posted, about half of them are about completely non-indicative things, and the other half is injecting meaning that isn't there.

"whut?"

"whuts going on?"

"i dunt get it"

About this. You said there's 3 scum in the VT group which is impossible, and 4 conftown even though none of them were confirmed. If you actually read my posts a bit after the one you quoted you'd see that I agreed lynching in the VTs was the best option, so your "also, please don't call anyone conftown that could reallllllllly wreck things for my scum team"
(even tho they really are basically conftown, and we really should scumhunt outside them... i mean, if i was town that is)" remains false.

Apricity · Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:59 am

I already said who I think is scum--RC and Expedience. People aren't seeing eye to eye with me on RC though.

Apricity · Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:04 am

Also from what I understood we aren't lynching in the BG claims today either.

Apricity · Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:13 am

There's more posts like these, but the sheer amount of passivity is not something I'm used to seeing from RC. I get that Asph said he thought an RC scumgame would look better than this, and it usually probably does, but this also doesn't look like his towngame. When I played with him, even though he got into a huge tunnel on Beeboy, he still was able to set it aside and continue scumhunting, but that's not happening here and that comes across as more scum feeling down because of the townsided setup than town who's excited to solve the game.

In post 460, RadiantCowbells wrote:LF person to kiss up to and sheep for the next little while.

In post 471, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 463, FourTrouble wrote:
In post 460, RadiantCowbells wrote:LF person to kiss up to and sheep for the next little while.
You should sheep me.
Say please.

In post 477, RadiantCowbells wrote:Still waiting for a 'please'.

In post 487, RadiantCowbells wrote:this is how we do

In post 541, RadiantCowbells wrote:Will sheep the next person I'm semi-townreading who asks me with a please.

More incoming

Apricity · Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:25 am

In post 665, RadiantCowbells wrote:I will go pretty hard at this tomorrow.

Not followed up.

In post 988, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm strongly townreading you because the way you're pushing people for things feels really town trying to solve the game-y.
I'm ignoring the bodyguards for now.
I feel like Dwlee is probably town based on the way he dealt with my incorrect strategizing at theb eginning? but it's not a supre strong read.
TTH I WANT to scumread her for the 'I'm having a rough time in mafia!' post but her 'You'll come around to me town later' felt really towny so idk.
Performer's just felt really slimy and showboaty and really insincere. Feels like he's making a spectacle of things and I don't feel any genuine game solving desire.

BTW, can I persuade you all to put a bodygaurd on me?

OK, I'll look at the BGs. One second.

Wish-washiness surrounding Dwlee read, even more of that with the TTH read, and I was eh on Performer too but given the way DP1 went down and TTH flip I don't want to dismiss this.

In post 1001, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm not lynching TTH today.

Vote Performer or make a case on someone else.

Yeah, this.

In post 1019, RadiantCowbells wrote:All bodyguards should be predetermined.

I'd like one on me considering that I'm incredibly NK bait.

1017 bugs me. I think that might be scum.

In post 1043, RadiantCowbells wrote:Because of the nature of its game unrelatedness. Didn't feel right.

1017 was Zakk advertising his game. It made no sense whatsoever as something to scumread. Plus I could see the attempt to get a BG on him as either 1) taking protection away from a townie. 2) If he wants the weak BG and he's the traitor, getting a false clear on him. 3) Potential NK on the BG guarding him leading to false associatives.

In post 1071, RadiantCowbells wrote:TTH flips town no one BGs zakk and if he survives the night we powerlynch him tomorrow.

Me want Performer.

Trying to set up for lynching Zakk who I'm quite sure is town, plus Performer push.

In post 1148, RadiantCowbells wrote:Hey dorkweeds Dwlee is town.

You should start asking questions about why people keep trying to push Performer counterwagons.

More of the same.

In post 1263, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: ha

Unexplained switch.

Apricity · Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:51 pm

Wait, I don't think I was the first person though? I followed up one post in particular from TTH that was really terrible with a vote but I don't think I was first.

Apricity · Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:00 pm

But this thread has become a bit quiet. Where did everyone go?

Apricity · Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:53 am

A lot of people seem to disagree with me about RC, so I was going to wait and look at the game again first and also see if people had other things to say about it--I've seen the "this play is too weak to be RC scum" argument and I really don't think that's enough to call him town.

Apricity · Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:50 pm

In post 2132, BNL wrote:Do you have other scumrwads then?

Besides Expedience? Idk. Haven't had time to think about it much beyond RC, and I think everyone else is town. What about you?

Apricity · Sun Jun 12, 2016 12:51 pm

In post 2134, RadiantCowbells wrote:Apricity if you think it's me/Expedience why is it only me that you're going on?

Aren't we lynching in the VT pool again today?

Apricity · Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:14 am

VOTE: RC

I'm still at school rn but will be home soon. At which time I will probably crash for the next 14 hours because 2.5 hours of sleep last night writing my paper.

Apricity · Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:00 am

I'm here. Saw people ask for reads. If we take out the BG claims my list is pretty simple actually and I think you guys know what they are without me telling you:
Town
Zakk
Perf
Dwlee

Scum
RC

*If* RC flips town, I'd be forced to consider Dwlee, but I really don't think that's going to happen.

Apricity · Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:08 am

That post that Zakk quoted, I remember quoting it earlier and saying how I could see that as TTH thinking traitor RC would eventually change up his read.

Apricity · Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:12 am

Perf, what does BnL protecting Dwlee last night have to do with your opinion on his alignment?

Apricity · Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:57 am

In post 2254, RadiantCowbells wrote:Apricity, does it change your mind at all that I was mislynched in lylo for the third? time ever very recently?

Coupled with a slew of other recent games where I have been widely scumread by town, even while I deathtunneled scum, and been town?

This isn't helping =.=

Apricity · Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:13 am

In post 2272, Titus wrote:Bodyguard assignments
Aprcity RC

Um.

Apricity · Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:16 am

Lol pretty sure only you have mixed us up though. I also fail to understand how RC increases town cohesion in any conceivable way.

Apricity · Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:30 am

Perf, I learned recently that it's based on post count. 1000 posts = Mafia Scum. And that makes 4 people pointing out I'm not a BG. I'm also not voting anyone other than RC today.

Apricity · Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:32 am

But Zakk and Perf are definitely town...

Apricity · Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:10 am

Sigh. Where is Asph, coincidentally?

Apricity · Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:50 am

This game is making my head hurt =.= Dwlee for scum, but that's only because I don't think it's Performer. Not after how hard TTH pushed him.

Apricity · Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:16 pm

I got caught out in a thunderstorm today, and that plus riding a freezing air-conditioned bus has given me a headache and a mild fever now, so my posting is going to be rather sporadic today and tomorrow =.=

Apricity · Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:39 am

Okay what is this. Perf, I don't lie about irl situations. Also Dwlee ignoring that the me/RC wagons were pushed by the same people and calling me scum regardless is pinging me.

But Expe voting Dwlee is odd. I'd almost rather vote Expe rn actually, optimal or not.

Apricity · Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:42 am

Well, that's also exactly how I feel about you.

Apricity · Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:18 am

Is Asph V/LA? He hasn't posted in a week.

Apricity · Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:43 am

Wait, if you choose one VT to be town today and then lynch another, doesn't that just leave the 1 Town and the other VT? That's 2, and there's 3 BGs. Unless you're counting Titus as a non-BG?

Still not totally clear how this works, but agree with Perf as town.

Apricity · Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:23 am

VOTE: Dwlee

What is our BG plan seriously? I saw like 3 different proposals.

Apricity · Sat Jul 02, 2016 2:59 pm

Nah Performer, I do like them about the same. I didn't particularly enjoy being lonescum as I said in the dead PT...a lot of the fun in being scum, to me, comes from getting to plan with the whole team and being by myself was pretty lonely and stressful. I still tried obviously but aside from the RC push it was more of a token effort on my part after TTH died.

Apricity · Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:01 pm

In post 2630, Performer wrote:Also , I'm open to feedback. If anyone has feedback for me, let me know!

My point about you focusing on NAI things holds true. The stuff about me saying when I am/will be absent, among other things, is something I do as both alignments and I would never lie about that.

Apricity · Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:47 pm

Also I missed that town could win without killing me if they got all the goons until it was too late, and that's pretty much the only reason I ended up bussing. Wouldn't have done that if I'd known.