Mini 1811 [Game Over]

evilpacman18 · Post Post #32 (isolation #0) » Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:40 am

In post 12, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 10, iraonavp wrote:That's precisely why I voted evilpacman18, to move the game forward and maybe learn something.

A better question would be: why aren't you voting evilpacman18? I think you should..
Yes yes a wagon on evilpacman!

For those who've never played with him ull thank me later.

lol I actually don't remember, what did I do

evilpacman18 · Post Post #41 (isolation #1) » Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:10 am

iraonavp how many games have you played?

evilpacman18 · Post Post #42 (isolation #2) » Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:15 am

I would argue that confidence and self-assuredness is everything but a town tell. It's usually either a scum tell or a personality tell.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #227 (isolation #3) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:36 am

In post 151, Bacde wrote:$5 says both iraonavp and murdercat are town

you're right

evilpacman18 · Post Post #228 (isolation #4) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:49 am

notes - Town Mafioso seems right about reads, especially JarJar
did IAI Jump on it too easily? I mean it's correct but the quickness to agree and vote? NOT SCUM TOGETHER
Bacde looks good, content on Trivium is good
JarJar might just be bad at game (93)
town mafioso scum? 103 and following exchange is weird. angry person maybe but getting mad at town incompetence is a petty attempt to look town.
murdercat votes seem like a misunderstanding. 56 shows that he's a victim of the misconception that voting creates pressure on people that then forces them to reveal their alliance a little more clearly. It's wrong and bad town play, and he could achieve a read by just posting more and reading more closely. But the main thing about 53 is that Murdercat is trying to get reads, and is probably town.
164 -Accountant, that's why i asked how new iraon is to this game. his tone seems stuffy and formal. but he might just write like that, and it could be misleading in trying to read authenticity of his posts. I haven't noticed anything wrong with his intent.
actually 195 (cut of jib post) is scummy. Trivium is scummy? I agree with Bacde that Trivium is scummy. Ok.
No votes on Trivium, interesting
oh Bacde is on Accountant right now. That's town/town imo.

this post seems super cluttered, sorry, they're personal notes that I don't have time to make into a proper post rn.
Looking at Trivium, maybe Jarjar, maybe Town Mafioso and possibly IAI as scum. Town reads on Bacde, Accountant, Murdercat.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #232 (isolation #5) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:29 am

Check my game history. I never vote until I'm ready for the day to end.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #234 (isolation #6) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:31 am

Rn i don't think iraon is anything and I don't see much material for anyone else to have a read there. But I would also understand if people read him in either direction

evilpacman18 · Post Post #259 (isolation #7) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:13 pm

In post 249, Bacde wrote:
In post 238, Accountant wrote:ira is far from obvious town
True

Shouldn't Lynch it tho

^^reasonable people

evilpacman18 · Post Post #261 (isolation #8) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:53 pm

i try to avoid certainty

evilpacman18 · Post Post #262 (isolation #9) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:03 pm

what makes you think I'm not developing my reads though? Or interacting with people?

evilpacman18 · Post Post #264 (isolation #10) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:07 pm

I don't think that's a fair assessment, I've got early reads but it's very early in the game and I don't have any interest in committing this soon. I think lynching well day 1 takes time. And I don't like day 1 pressure all that much. I think townies are actually more likely to crack under scrutiny early in the game than scum. Being misread is frustrating.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #281 (isolation #11) » Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:42 am

ira is probably the player I've written the most on

In post 41, evilpacman18 wrote:iraonavp how many games have you played?

In post 42, evilpacman18 wrote:I would argue that confidence and self-assuredness is everything but a town tell. It's usually either a scum tell or a personality tell.

In post 227, evilpacman18 wrote:
In post 151, Bacde wrote:$5 says both iraonavp and murdercat are town
you're right

In post 228, evilpacman18 wrote: 164 -Accountant, that's why i asked how new iraon is to this game. his tone seems stuffy and formal. but he might just write like that, and it could be misleading in trying to read authenticity of his posts. I haven't noticed anything wrong with his intent.

In post 234, evilpacman18 wrote:Rn i don't think iraon is anything and I don't see much material for anyone else to have a read there. But I would also understand if people read him in either direction

In post 259, evilpacman18 wrote:
In post 249, Bacde wrote:
In post 238, Accountant wrote:ira is far from obvious town
True

Shouldn't Lynch it tho
^^reasonable people

if you can't tell what the thread of my read on him is, I thought he was town earlier on, Accountant pointed out some stuff that I agreed could be a case for a scum read, but I felt like his tone obscures his intent, so I'm just waiting on deciding on that one. Idk why it's surprising to anyone that I think someone who writes kinda strange is the hardest to read in the game, but JarJar is way off the mark to say that he's the only person I've been ignoring.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #282 (isolation #12) » Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:56 am

In post 266, Trivium wrote:Accountant strikes town, but not evilpacman. Can't really read much of this, and I have to try really hard not to make up some random BS. The let's lynch xkfyu as a joke thing is really awkward, to the point where I feel like it's scummy, but weirdly scummy like it's trying to be too obvious. I also don't like how bacde brought up a previous game and claimed that jarjar had a grudge on him for being maf in it.

why does Accountant strike town and I seem scummy but the next thing you say is "lynch xykfu" thing seems scummy? Are you mixing us up? Cuz I haven't mentioned xykfu at all, that was all Accountant and I'm pretty sure it wasn't serious.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #355 (isolation #13) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:30 am

In post 297, Tam wrote:OK, this is my first game in yeeeeears and I got sick this weekend...something about ribs, sun and tequila? Anyhow, I think I beat the deadline. I dunno. I'm confused. The timer I was sent has expired, but I have a message saying midnight tonight...but not sure which timezone at midnight. I am in the U.S.- Central time, so it is 7:30 (or 19:30, whatever floats your boat) here.

Sorry about the delay...I am on page 8 so far. Just wanted to check in!

Out of curiosity- there seems to be an awful lot of people jumping around pointing fingers really early on- but really meaning it, not just to speed things along for clues...is this typical nowadays? It used to be a mafia warning sign...

Wow, can't say I have a join date from 2003 but I might be a bit too old school for this group myself. Been getting scum read just for trying to be patient and actually develop my reads lol.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #356 (isolation #14) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:40 am

In post 286, JaeReed wrote:
In post 282, evilpacman18 wrote:
In post 266, Trivium wrote:Accountant strikes town, but not evilpacman. Can't really read much of this, and I have to try really hard not to make up some random BS. The let's lynch xkfyu as a joke thing is really awkward, to the point where I feel like it's scummy, but weirdly scummy like it's trying to be too obvious. I also don't like how bacde brought up a previous game and claimed that jarjar had a grudge on him for being maf in it.
why does Accountant strike town and I seem scummy but the next thing you say is "lynch xykfu" thing seems scummy? Are you mixing us up? Cuz I haven't mentioned xykfu at all, that was all Accountant and I'm pretty sure it wasn't serious.
Wasn't it Bacde, not Accountant, saying to joke lynch someone? Accountant has been pretty focused on ira, and even asked why not the other lurker instead of xkfyu.

Thinking Xkfyu is lookin' ok so far.

probably. Don't know if you really wanted an answer for this but I guess I just forgot who said we should lynch xykfu because of how irrelevant it seemed.

In post 284, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 281, evilpacman18 wrote:if you can't tell what the thread of my read on him is, I thought he was town earlier on, Accountant pointed out some stuff that I agreed could be a case for a scum read, but I felt like his tone obscures his intent, so I'm just waiting on deciding on that one. Idk why it's surprising to anyone that I think someone who writes kinda strange is the hardest to read in the game, but JarJar is way off the mark to say that he's the only person I've been ignoring.
Lol @ "Way off the mark". YOU were the one that said there wasn't much material for anyone to have a read there.

See now you're changing your story. Now what you're saying is you were townreading him earlier but you're not sure about that read because of Accountants case. That's a pretty far cry from basically saying: I have no read because he hasn't said anything.

That's not remotely close to anything I "basically said"
I'm still confused because when you quoted my post 228 in 271 you said I don't give an opinion on ira even though there was a solid two whole lines on precisely why I'm conflicted about reading him. Sure I didn't list him as town or scum at the end of the list, but I suspect you didn't ACTUALLY read the post that you were attacking very closely and just went straight to the reads list at the end. Can you explain why you ignored this?

In post 228, evilpacman18 wrote: 164 -Accountant, that's why i asked how new iraon is to this game. his tone seems stuffy and formal. but he might just write like that, and it could be misleading in trying to read authenticity of his posts. I haven't noticed anything wrong with his intent.

Because it says very straight forwardly how I felt about ira at the moment and I think it does a sufficient job of explaining why I didn't put him in a side on my reads list at the end of that post.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #358 (isolation #15) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:54 am

context. after responding to ira several times and discussing the discrepancies in his tone vs the apparent intent of his posts, why would I say "ira hasn't said anything"

evilpacman18 · Post Post #360 (isolation #16) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:03 am

In post 337, Accountant wrote:Ira thoughts on Tam and pac

If you were town I wouldn't have to press you for something as simple as this

do you really think that ignoring things that should be relevant to him is a scum tell?
I would normally assume lazy town. Not many scum players are gonna get talked about that much and not feel obligated to say something imo

evilpacman18 · Post Post #361 (isolation #17) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:07 am

In post 359, JarJarDrinks wrote:Who'd be ur top lynch if u had to choose today pac?

When I decide who I think should be lynched today, I will not be unclear about it.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #362 (isolation #18) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:17 am

Tam's entry seems town but I'm probably being conditioned rn to read reasonable people who don't jump to conclusions about everything as town and that's definitely not always the case. I especially like her point on Town Mafioso, whose playstyle will definitely be hard to parse to get a read. Also the lack of previous games (I'm assuming Tam hasn't noticed that TM is probably an alt) will make it harder

evilpacman18 · Post Post #364 (isolation #19) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:30 am

Wouldn't it have been beneficial to give it more time after the site crash to seebif that accusation held up? I can't take your point seriously cuz there was basically no time for ira to make those comments. If he'd posted significant content since we've been back then, sure, make that accusation, but he really hasn't.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #371 (isolation #20) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:57 am

JarJar was there a point to asking me who my top pick for a lynch today would be?

evilpacman18 · Post Post #374 (isolation #21) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:56 am

NAI is a new term to me, please define

evilpacman18 · Post Post #378 (isolation #22) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:04 am

Actually if today ends up with a lurker lynch that's gonna be the way to go

evilpacman18 · Post Post #379 (isolation #23) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:12 am

It was tempting to read Jarjar's very bad case on me as a scum tell but he's at least not getting tunnelly and seems to be working on things other than mislynching me so that's a good sign. He looks pretty town in general on page 15, although I would have preferred if he just admitted that he simply didn't notice the part about ira in my long post because he skipped straight to the tl;dr reads. I think that's clearly what happened.
Accountant has not been convincingly town since the site came back.
The aggression towards ira was super manufactured and very premature. Ira's posts just seemed like someone who hadn't actually read anything new and he was just responding to old things he hadn't had a chance to respond to yet. I think you have to assume A LOT to see his most recent posts and think that he's intentionally ignoring stuff he should be commenting on.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #380 (isolation #24) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:13 am

Murdercat and bacde are the most obvtown

evilpacman18 · Post Post #386 (isolation #25) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:46 am

In post 381, Bacde wrote:You wanna vote Iam with me? I'm serious lets do this

At least let him dig his own grave a little longer

evilpacman18 · Post Post #388 (isolation #26) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:16 am

vote: Trivium

evilpacman18 · Post Post #391 (isolation #27) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:40 pm

I'd prefer not to lynch until IAI, ira and xykfu say some more.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #395 (isolation #28) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:11 pm

In post 393, JaeReed wrote:I'm not voting you for murders read on you. Don't think pacman is either.

Holy shit on that rage tho.
VOTE: Iraon
Back to this one.

Jae what about 392 seems town to you? Feigned rage is a classic scum tactic

evilpacman18 · Post Post #396 (isolation #29) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:16 pm

In post 392, Trivium wrote:I'm not going to defend myself any more either, so you can either fuck off or mislynch.

This is the scum claim. First of all this level of "anger" is usually a matter of pent up frustration, it doesn't just come out in one post, especially since Trivium isn't THAT much more under pressure than he was in his last couple posts and he wasn't particularly angry there. It's very early for the "mislynch me" ultimatum, which indicates that we're probably on the right track here.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #570 (isolation #30) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:00 am

Wow wtf happened here

evilpacman18 · Post Post #589 (isolation #31) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:51 am

In post 587, I Am Innocent wrote: Good luck town

LOL way to screw over whoever comes into this slot

evilpacman18 · Post Post #683 (isolation #32) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:25 am

Sorry, my input's gonna be light this weekend until monday

evilpacman18 · Post Post #930 (isolation #33) » Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:51 pm

A replacement...

unvote

I missed A LOT over the weekend but def catching up in the morning

evilpacman18 · Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:07 pm

in reading up, I'm starting to find the ira lynch a decent idea

evilpacman18 · Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:21 pm

In post 636, Impoetic wrote:On page 16 and clearly out of my league. How do you guys get such certain reads ;-;

I love this tbh

evilpacman18 · Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:25 pm

I'm floating around page 30-31 area and idk if I think scum Trivium would be like "I found all the scum already"

evilpacman18 · Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:25 pm

kind of a stupid play as either alignment though

evilpacman18 · Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:27 pm

In post 773, JaeReed wrote:I have a sinking feeling both ira and triv could be town.

OK COOL

evilpacman18 · Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:31 pm

In post 802, Robbnva wrote:
In post 396, evilpacman18 wrote:
In post 392, Trivium wrote:I'm not going to defend myself any more either, so you can either fuck off or mislynch.
This is the scum claim. First of all this level of "anger" is usually a matter of pent up frustration, it doesn't just come out in one post, especially since Trivium isn't THAT much more under pressure than he was in his last couple posts and he wasn't particularly angry there. It's very early for the "mislynch me" ultimatum, which indicates that we're probably on the right track here.
You can't be this bad at the game evil. That isn't anywhere close to a scum claim.

P.edit it means exactly what it says

probably a bit past the point where it matters but I kind of disagree with my original assessment of Triv's post now

evilpacman18 · Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:33 pm

lynching Tam is not a bad direction to take today

evilpacman18 · Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:34 pm

also can't really resist a wagon of 4 of my strongest townreads

evilpacman18 · Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:35 pm

Accountant you have a problem with Tam lynch?

evilpacman18 · Post Post #1076 (isolation #43) » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:28 am

Double check that count

Should be fixed, thanks~

evilpacman18 · Post Post #1298 (isolation #44) » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:57 pm

SORRY I AM AT A PLACE WITH NO INTERNET FOR DAYS
I'll do some phone reading

evilpacman18 · Post Post #1481 (isolation #45) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:55 am

If I vote Tam will it be a hammer?
Sorry for inaction, I know it's not helping anyone townread me but I agree with the Tam lynch and can close it out if it needs it

evilpacman18 · Post Post #1487 (isolation #46) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:42 am

In post 1483, JarJarDrinks wrote:OMG Pac. Please answer this:

In post 1321, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 1298, evilpacman18 wrote:SORRY I AM AT A PLACE WITH NO INTERNET FOR DAYS
I'll do some phone reading
If you do nothing else, answer this already:

In post 1236, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 953, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 591, Accountant wrote:
In post 589, evilpacman18 wrote:
In post 587, I Am Innocent wrote: Good luck town
LOL way to screw over whoever comes into this slot
are you subtly implying this is a scumtell and if so why
Was wondering this too. Please answer Pac.
would like to point out that pac keeps ignoring this.

Oh shit lol, my bad. I just didn't think there was really a town reason to say that. Like it just seemed really scummy to me to leave a slot while still trying to influence peoples' read of your alignment in a way.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #1490 (isolation #47) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:46 am

I have barely mentioned anything since then, I'm busy.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #1493 (isolation #48) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:49 am

Regarding Tam: I noticed that my strongest town reads and the confirmed town were all voting Tam so I was like hmmmm that's probably a good vote, so I checked her iso and she seems to lack like a town-ish tone of uncertainty. Plus she's said A LOT OF WORDS while basically only tunnelling Trivium.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #1494 (isolation #49) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:50 am

Is that Impoetic now? She came in and sold me with her first post, I quoted it

evilpacman18 · Post Post #1497 (isolation #50) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:52 am

In post 1004, evilpacman18 wrote:
In post 636, Impoetic wrote:On page 16 and clearly out of my league. How do you guys get such certain reads ;-;
I love this tbh

evilpacman18 · Post Post #1499 (isolation #51) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:53 am

One of your first posts*

evilpacman18 · Post Post #1502 (isolation #52) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:58 am

evilpacman18 · Post Post #1503 (isolation #53) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:59 am

evilpacman18 · Post Post #1506 (isolation #54) » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:03 am

Ooooh. I think I had a note on my computer somewhere of someone else IAI was definitely not scum with cuz of a certain interaction. You're probably just not scum though.

evilpacman18 · Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:26 am

Yeah

vote:Tam

evilpacman18 · Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:28 am

Idk JarJar didn't jump on the chance to misrep my quick read change from IAI (possible scum) to Impoetic (strong town) as some kind of inconsistency. I was gonna call him scum if he did cuz he already tried misrepping me once near the start of the game, but since he didn't it makes me feel like he's at least not tunnelling/trying to strong-arm a lynch on me so that's positive

evilpacman18 · Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:51 pm

Damn scum really selling theirself out with this last minute counterwagon on me.

evilpacman18 · Post Post #1572 (isolation #58) » Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:43 am

In post 1569, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 1566, evilpacman18 wrote:Damn scum really selling theirself out with this last minute counterwagon on me.
Who specifically are you referring to?

Probably murdercat and either you or ira

evilpacman18 · Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:32 am

Damn you guys blew that

evilpacman18 · Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:34 am

I shouldn't have let myself get killed, I don't think I would've allowed Accountant to slip by like that. I was already starting to scum read Accountant before I got busy and couldn't participate as much.