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Post Post #5056 (isolation #600) » Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:43 pm

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Nero and titus, I also want both of you to describe how you would've played out this game if you were scum.

That's enough questions for now.
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Post Post #5057 (isolation #601) » Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:51 pm

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This is titus scum tunnelling, looks very different from this game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
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Post Post #5059 (isolation #602) » Sun Jul 03, 2016 3:53 pm

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No, not yet, I'll do that.
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Post Post #5061 (isolation #603) » Sun Jul 03, 2016 3:56 pm

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Lol murder
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Post Post #5064 (isolation #604) » Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:05 pm

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Nero, acting like I'm an idiot is not helping you convince me of anything.

Meta on you is generally less useful than meta on titus because there wasn't any specific play you did that would be weird as scum.
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Post Post #5066 (isolation #605) » Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:43 pm

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=64409

Your play here seems to be awfully similar to your play this game. Maybe I'm confirmation biased, convince me I am.

Answer my questions when you get the time please
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Post Post #5068 (isolation #606) » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:17 pm

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Link?
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Post Post #5073 (isolation #607) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:37 am

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The thing is that I feel like scum Titus would gain credit to try to get people to listen to her, tunneling on chumba works against that.
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Post Post #5075 (isolation #608) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:55 am

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Wait, how it Titus claiming to be playing to her scum meta
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Post Post #5077 (isolation #609) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:00 am

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That doesn't really describe much of her play throughout the game, though.
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Post Post #5080 (isolation #610) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:04 am

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Nero, work with me here. I know I'm leaning towards you being scum, I know I may be confirmation biased but I swear to god if Titus is scum we will lynch her.
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Post Post #5082 (isolation #611) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:51 am

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Murder, why did you think it was titus/chilled before?

Also, what was your read on blackstar? KAAG?

Nero, does titus usually moonlogic as scum?

Also, have you used WIFOM for your late game kills as scum in the past, or have you only killed people that suspected you?

Titus, can you answer my other questions too please
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Post Post #5085 (isolation #612) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:12 am

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In post 5046, Infinity 324 wrote:Titus, why should I townread you?
In post 5050, Infinity 324 wrote:If titus is scum this is basically a repeat of this game

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66300

Titus was scum with fb and tsq, her scumbuddies died on d2 and d4 respectively. duppin used WIFOM logic in lylo, titus called him out for it and got duppin lynched. I was sure duppin was the scum.
Any comments on this
@Titus, what exactly made you change your mind about chumba?
In post 5053, Infinity 324 wrote:@Titus you too, why did you read nero as town before since you two know each other
I just have a feeling chumba would protect murder again and I think nero would have that same feeling. "Avoid no kills and try to WIFOM" doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me (same for the mathblade kill, matth was starting to suspect you at the end of the day)

Can you link to the "how to read titus" thread?
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Post Post #5089 (isolation #613) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:25 am

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In post 5086, Titus wrote:I gave Nero the benefit of the doubt because I wanted him to be town and he agreed with my reads.
Is this seriously why??

You had nero as 2nd towniest at one point
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Post Post #5090 (isolation #614) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:38 am

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Nero, is it possible that titus was buddying you?

Also would like the link to a game titus bussed, either one of you.
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Post Post #5091 (isolation #615) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:40 am

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In post 4647, Titus wrote:Titus > Nero > Math > Murdercat > Chilled > Chuma > Infinity > Dunn
This really bothers me, though I know both of you thought the team was me/dunn at the time
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Post Post #5096 (isolation #616) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:59 pm

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Ok

Titus, describe nero's plan as scum from d3 on, why did he push the lynches and make the night kills he did?

Nero, do the same for titus.
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Post Post #5097 (isolation #617) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:08 pm

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Murder look at KAAG's ISO a little too
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Post Post #5100 (isolation #618) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:16 pm

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Nero, you don't think that killing me would raise eyebrows if you were scum?

Also, why would titus bus so readily on d2 and d4, I know you said she can, but what is the actual motivation if not very many people know her meta?
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Post Post #5102 (isolation #619) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:23 pm

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"Derived Rule 1: The only innocents are bodies or mod confirmed townies. Yes, while it's unlikely for certain fakeclaims to exist, they are not confirmed town. Most of the time claims that would have to be ridiculous to be fakeclaims are. Yet, don't assume a claim is real because the scum motivation is not immediately apparent."

Haha this is so relevant
In post 19, Nero Cain wrote:Titus is town when she has very strange reasons for suspecting those players and refuses to budge.
Ok this describes titus's play this game, she tunneled chumba for
all day 3
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Post Post #5103 (isolation #620) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:27 pm

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In post 5098, MURDERCAT wrote:I reread it yesterday, it looked like a fairly whatever catch up and a push for an easy mislynch. I'll reread it knowing chilled is scum though.
It kinda looks like classic noob scum to me. KAAG probably had some real world stuff he had to do, but it definitely would benefit scum for him not to be very engaged. A lot of questions that aren't relevant to scumhunting...I caught another noob scum in a recent game for exactly that.
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Post Post #5105 (isolation #621) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:29 pm

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I meta'ed him a while back, I believe I came to the conclusion that he was sillier and less wallpost-y as town.
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Post Post #5108 (isolation #622) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:31 pm

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Who would you have shot instead of mathblade n3 as scum?
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Post Post #5113 (isolation #623) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:34 pm

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Was mollie really hard townreading you? I remember her saying you were still suspicious EoD2...
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Post Post #5114 (isolation #624) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:35 pm

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Mollie suspected KAAG I know that much
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Post Post #5121 (isolation #625) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:47 pm

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In post 2398, pirate mollie wrote:to be fair I did go a little psycho on titus cos I was questioning her intentions. I am not offended that kuroi called me psycho but titus gets touchy about words like that. like I am not even allowed to use the word retarded around her lol. she gets really protective of her friends and she always sicks up for the underdog or if she thinks some1 is getting bullied.

I just want to point out that she wld do this as either alignment but if kuroi is scum then I don't think titus wld be, not after the recent exchanges. I don't think.
Man I really don't like how KAAG keeps soft defending his null read chilled
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Post Post #5122 (isolation #626) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:48 pm

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Oh didn't mean to quote that
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Post Post #5123 (isolation #627) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:55 pm

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In post 1876, RachMarie wrote:@ mollie? You really think TBG or accountant over tea? for an investigative role, if there is one? I would have figured tea would be a better bet since there is more suspicion on him, and his activity is not super high.
Man why didn't we lynch chilled d3
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Post Post #5125 (isolation #628) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:58 pm

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In post 2624, Chumba wrote:Why on earth would I protect Mollie? If I protect anyone it's obviously going to be accountant. Maybe murder but certainly not Mollie.
I think mollie died because of this and suspicion on KAAG, doesn't point to titus's alignment either way but I think it makes sense to roleblock the vig shot and keep the lynch pool open. So mollie kill slightly points to nero scum but not by much.
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Post Post #5128 (isolation #629) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:50 pm

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Spoiler: episode 2: return of the colored vote counts
In post 428, Killthestory wrote:
In post 32, MURDERCAT wrote:
Kill, can we get number needed to lynch in the vote counts?
Apologies, this is the first game I've hosted on this site :p. I'll be sure to do it in this votecount! Thanks for letting me know


Votecount
Blackstar
(4/7)
:
tehbrawlguy
,
derek12
,
MURDERCAT
,
transcend

MURDERCAT
(3/7): BlackStar,
zefiend
,
accountant

nightmaregaunt
(1/7): ConvergentConclusion
chilledtea
(1/7):
i am innocent

tehbrawlguy
(1/7):
chumba

Currently not voting (3):
dunnstral
,
chilledtea
,
nightmaregaunt
In post 618, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
Blackstar
(3/7)
:
accountant
,
derek12
, BlackStar
MURDERCAT
(1/7):
zefiend

nightmaregaunt
(1/7): ConvergentConclusion
chilledtea
(1/7):
i am innocent

tehbrawlguy
(1/7):
chumba

derek12
(1/7):
tehbrawlguy

accountant
(1/7):
transcend

Currently not voting (4):
MURDERCAT
,
dunnstral
,
chilledtea
,
nightmaregaunt


rachmarie
will be replacing
nightmaregaunt
. ConvergentConclusion is being prodded. They have 24 hours to respond.
In post 657, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
transcend
(2/7)
:
derek12
,
tehbrawlguy

chilledtea
(2/7):
i am innocent
,
dunnstral

Blackstar (1/7):
accountant

MURDERCAT
(1/7):
zefiend

nightmaregaunt
(1/7): ConvergentConclusion
tehbrawlguy
(1/7):
chumba

accountant
(1/7):
transcend

Currently not voting (4):
MURDERCAT
,
chilledtea
,
nightmaregaunt
, Blackstar
In post 764, Killthestory wrote:
In post 757, RachMarie wrote:
@mod can we get vote counts periodically? I am trying to read up and have gone through 17 pages without a single vc since the initial OP Also can you update the OP with current replacements, please and thank you
Apologies, I'm busy during the morning and afternoon, so when I went to bed, went to school, and came back, the game absolutely exploded. I'll try to keep up.


Votecount
chilledtea
(3/7):
i am innocent
,
dunnstral
, BlackStar
Blackstar (2/7):
accountant
,
rachmarie

transcend
(1/7):
tehbrawlguy

nightmaregaunt
(1/7): ConvergentConclusion
tehbrawlguy
(1/7):
chumba

accountant
(1/7):
transcend

Currently not voting (4):
MURDERCAT
,
chilledtea
,
nightmaregaunt
,
zefiend


ConvergentConclusions failed to respond to his prod, so he's going to be replaced.
zefiend
has requested to be replaced, so he's also going to be replaced.

Time has been extended to May 28th
In post 898, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
Blackstar
(4/7)
:
accountant
,
rachmarie
,
chumba
,
tehbrawlguy

transcend
(2/7):
dunnstral
,
derek12

chilledtea
(1/7):
i am innocent

rachmarie
(1/7): KickAssAndGiggle
accountant
(1/7):
transcend

Currently not voting (4):
MURDERCAT
,
chilledtea
,
zefiend
, BlackStar


ConvergentConclusions is being replaced by KickAssAndGiggle!
transcend
has also requested to replace out.
In post 1062, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
Blackstar
(3/7)
:
accountant
,
rachmarie
,
tehbrawlguy

tehbrawlguy
(2/7):
chumba
, BlackStar
MURDERCAT
(1/7):
derek12

chilledtea
(1/7):
i am innocent

rachmarie
(1/7):
dunnstral

accountant
(1/7):
transcend

Currently not voting (4):
MURDERCAT
,
chilledtea
,
zefiend
, KickAssAndGiggle


Apologies, I did post the request for
zefiend
but never posted it here. Regardless, he did request replacement.
In post 1139, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
Blackstar
(5/7)
:
accountant
,
rachmarie
,
tehbrawlguy
, KickAssAndGiggle,
chilledtea

tehbrawlguy
(2/7):
chumba
, BlackStar
MURDERCAT
(1/7):
derek12

chilledtea
(1/7):
i am innocent

rachmarie
(1/7):
dunnstral

accountant
(1/7):
transcend

Currently not voting (2):
MURDERCAT
,
zefiend
In post 1166, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
Blackstar
(5/7)
:
accountant
,
rachmarie
,
tehbrawlguy
, KickAssAndGiggle,
chilledtea

tehbrawlguy
(2/7):
chumba
, BlackStar
MURDERCAT
(1/7):
derek12

chilledtea
(1/7):
i am innocent

rachmarie
(1/7):
dunnstral

accountant
(1/7):
transcend

Currently not voting (2):
MURDERCAT
,
zefiend


IAI will be replaced upon request.
pants98
will be replacing
transcend
effective immediately. Please welcome them!
In post 1274, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
Blackstar
(4/7)
:
accountant
,
rachmarie
,
tehbrawlguy
,
chilledtea

pants98
(3/7):
dunnstral
, KickAssAndGiggle, Blackstar
tehbrawlguy
(1/7):
chumba

MURDERCAT
(1/7):
derek12

chilledtea
(1/7):
i am innocent

accountant
(1/7):
transcend

Currently not voting (2):
MURDERCAT
,
zefiend
In post 1341, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
Blackstar
(4/7)
:
accountant
,
rachmarie
,
tehbrawlguy
,
chilledtea

pants98
(3/7):
dunnstral
, KickAssAndGiggle, Blackstar
tehbrawlguy
(1/7):
chumba

MURDERCAT
(1/7):
derek12

chilledtea
(1/7):
i am innocent

accountant
(1/7):
transcend

derek12
(1/7):
kuroi
XHF
Currently not voting (1):
MURDERCAT


pirate mollie
will be replacing
i am innocent
. Please welcome them!
In post 1450, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
pants98
(5/7)
:
dunnstral
, KickAssAndGiggle, Blackstar,
chilledtea
,
MURDERCAT

Blackstar (3/7):
accountant
,
rachmarie
,
tehbrawlguy

tehbrawlguy
(1/7):
chumba

MURDERCAT
(1/7):
derek12

accountant
(1/7):
pants98

derek12
(1/7):
kuroi
XHF
Currently not voting (1):
pirate mollie


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In post 1501, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
pants98
(6/7)
:
dunnstral
, KickAssAndGiggle, Blackstar,
chilledtea
,
MURDERCAT
,
pirate mollie

Blackstar (3/7):
accountant
,
rachmarie
,
tehbrawlguy

tehbrawlguy
(1/7):
chumba

MURDERCAT
(1/7):
derek12

derek12
(1/7):
kuroi
XHF
Currently not voting (1):
pants98


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3 Days, 23 Hours, 35 Minutes [UTC - 6]
In post 2035, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
chilledtea
(3/6):
dunnstral
,
accountant
, KickAssAndGiggle
MURDERCAT
(1/6): Titus
accountant
(1/6):
pirate mollie

Currently not voting (5):
kuroi
XHF,
MURDERCAT
,
derek12
,
chumba
,
chilledtea


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Day ends in 12 days, 21 hours[UTC-6]
In post 2287, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
kuroi
XHF
(4/6):
accountant
, Titus,
chilledtea
,
MURDERCAT

chilledtea
(2/6):
kuroi
XHF, KickAssAndGiggle
Titus (1/6):
dunnstral

Currently not voting (5):
kuroi
XHF,
MURDERCAT
,
derek12
,
chumba
,
chilledtea
,
pirate mollie


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chumba
has requested replacement.
derek12
has also requested replacement. Killthestory has been prodded
In post 2508, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
kuroi
XHF
(3/6):
Titus,
chilledtea
,
MURDERCAT

chilledtea
(2/6):
kuroi
XHF, KickAssAndGiggle
derek12
(2/6):
accountant
,
dunnstral

Currently not voting (3):
MURDERCAT
,
derek12
,
chumba
,
pirate mollie


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In post 2692, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
kuroi
XHF
(6/6):
Titus,
chilledtea
,
MURDERCAT
,
dunnstral
,
chumba
,
accountant

chilledtea
(3/6):
kuroi
XHF, KickAssAndGiggle,
pirate mollie

Currently not voting (1):
derek12


kuroi
XHF will be lynched today!
pirate mollie
will be replacing out.

I'm going to postpone the night start until I get off mobile. The night will also be extended if I don't find the two replacements during the two day period.
In post 2925, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
Titus
(2/5):
chumba
,
dunnstral

chilledtea
(1/5):
mathblade

infinity 324
(1/5):
MURDERCAT

dunnstral
(1/5): Titus
Currently not voting (3):
infinity 324
, KickAssAndGiggle,
chilledtea



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In post 3025, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
Titus
(2/5):
chumba
,
dunnstral

infinity 324
(1/5):
MURDERCAT
,
mathblade

dunnstral
(1/5): Titus
Currently not voting (3):
infinity 324
, KickAssAndGiggle,
chilledtea


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12 Days, 4 Hours, 15 Minutes [UTC - 6]
In post 3351, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
Titus
(2/5):
chumba
,
dunnstral

KickAssAndGiggle (2/5):
infinity 324
,
MURDERCAT

infinity 324
(1/5):
mathblade

dunnstral
(1/5): Titus
Currently not voting (2): KickAssAndGiggle,
chilledtea


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In post 3315, MURDERCAT wrote:I want to get off Killthestory's Wild Ride.
I've tried to escape three times now, but they're keeping me as a slave to do their bidding. Please call the police and help me.

Someone help me please.

In post 3200, Infinity 324 wrote:Oh forgot about this, we should probably get it cleared up

@Mod, do mafia have daytalk?
I will not say.


KAAG will be replaced.
In post 3607, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
Titus
(2/5):
chumba
,
dunnstral

dunnstral
(2/5):
infinity 324
, Titus
infinity 324
(1/5):
mathblade

chilledtea
(1/5):
MURDERCAT

Currently not voting (2): Nero Cain,
chilledtea


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5 Days, 10 Hours, 2 Minutes[UTC - 6]
In post 4453, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
dunnstral
(4/5): Titus,
MURDERCAT
,
chilledtea
, Nero Cain
Titus
(3/5):
chumba
,
dunnstral
,
infinity 324

infinity 324
(2/5):
mathblade

Currently not voting (0)


Time Until Deadline
3 Days, 7 Hours, 53 minutes[UTC - 6]
In post 5016, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
chilledtea
(4/4):
Titus,
MURDERCAT
,
chumba
,
infinity 324
Titus (1/4): Nero Cain
Currently not voting (1):
chilledtea

chilledtea
will be lynched today!


Think this points more to a nero scum also, especially given how long chilled was on the blackstar wagon.

PEdit: Who would you have shot n3 as scum other than math?

I think chumba kill makes it slightly more likely for titus to be scum.
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Post Post #5130 (isolation #630) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:56 pm

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Who would you have expected chumba to protect? Math?
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Post Post #5132 (isolation #631) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:01 pm

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Nero, describe what you think titus's plan was from d2 on, including who she tried to get lynched and why.

PEdit: ok
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Post Post #5133 (isolation #632) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:08 pm

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What I don't understand is if titus-scum was going to kill chumba, why she didn't do it n3
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Post Post #5135 (isolation #633) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:16 pm

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I don't understand the NK situation at all, whoever scum is was trying to WIFOM.

Titus scum would want to kill chumba and then math/murder
Nero scum would want to kill murder and then me

PEdit: Well first off killing the doctor n3 prevents a possible no kill n4. Also titus could've been lynched d4 maybe
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Post Post #5136 (isolation #634) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:16 pm

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Math was not scumreading titus though.
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Post Post #5137 (isolation #635) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:22 pm

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Math kill to frame me would make sense, then it would have to be nero scum. It also could've been a way for titus to protect herself by getting rid of someone that suspects her that isn't as obvious as chumba
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Post Post #5139 (isolation #636) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:25 pm

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I think math would have suspected titus had they lived.

Could definitely see nero just trying to WIFOM his way out of this though. He definitely noticed how much I flip-flopped, and he said something about chumba dying meaning titus scum d4
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Post Post #5141 (isolation #637) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:27 pm

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At the end of the day math thought it was me + dunn, they didn't say anything after that.

PEdit: I don't believe you. You didn't say it was me/titus until we tried to get you to hammer chilled.
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Post Post #5142 (isolation #638) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:30 pm

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Don't see the titus narrative of bus d2 --> tunnel on town who never is getting lynched --> bus d4.

Titus is more opportunistic than that.

I want to see the titus bussing game, then that will be about it for me.
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Post Post #5144 (isolation #639) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:41 pm

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You didn't
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Post Post #5147 (isolation #640) » Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:30 am

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Ok, I think I've seen enough. I'll wait for you to do what you need to murder, and then we can end this
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Post Post #5156 (isolation #641) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:54 am

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I don't know, I thought I gave you benefit of the doubt and discussed a lot...I tried to look at things from as unbiased as a perspective as possible but the more I looked at the more it lead to you being scum.

I still don't see Titus bussing just to go against her self meta when there weren't many people that knew her meta in the game. I also think it would've been much easier for Titus to get Dunn lynched if she didn't discredit herself by tunneling on the Doctor who everyone read as town.

No one likes to be pressured into bussing, I think your reaction may have been an immediate way to get out of that. I still don't understand your logic, you agreed to hammer when me and Titus were pressuring you to vote Dunn, but then you call us scum for pressuring you to vote chilled? Your response is WIFOM as best.
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Post Post #5159 (isolation #642) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:00 pm

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I responded to your posts in a general manner, I just don't think the most effective way to go about this is to go back and forth arguing, it usually gets nowhere. I've heard your arguments, I understand them.
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Post Post #5168 (isolation #643) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:22 pm

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I skimmed that stuff, I might read more in depth later.

1 is NAI I agree
2 I agree and I think it's very important to point out that chilled was somewhat actively pushing the lynch on blackstar, for some time, on d1.
3 Not sure what you're trying to say here
4 On the surface it looks like black's vote is scummier but he had been indecisive and sheepy that whole time. Nothing much AI about KAAG's vote
5 Yeah it feels weird that KAAG d1 keeps questioning chilled votes and then d2 he just votes him for that one thing (and repeats it too). Kinda like "it's d2, I can bus now"
6 I think the interaction here looks more like TvS, would expect kuroi being bussed to push back and call titus scum or something.

I might just be conf biasing all this stuff idk -_-

Other stuff:
-Still in love with . Titus doesn't usually do these types of things I think so it could be an effort to look town though...
-This really doesn't feel like titus-scum
-I feel like if titus was scum we would've lost already.

PEdit: let me look at 3 again

and ehh I think it's up to you whether you want to iso
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Post Post #5169 (isolation #644) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:26 pm

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By the way, I think it's more useful to look at the posts of the unflipped players for interactions because scum can try to create ties to townies
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Post Post #5170 (isolation #645) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:28 pm

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Could see chilled/kaag team from that, but it's not really that clear.

Anyway I'll probably hammer tomorrow night, unless you want me to do it now
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Post Post #5172 (isolation #646) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:43 pm

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In post 2402, Titus wrote:Grrrr, you can check out other games to see evidence of how I treat people and this isn't fake.
Do you think this is town or scum
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Post Post #5173 (isolation #647) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:47 pm

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In post 2200, Titus wrote:That conversation between you and Dunn looked very much like you were trying to convince Dunn that there wasn't enough support on me/Chilled to warrant a lynch on Chilled and telling him to get onto the Derek wagon.
Ok, so in retrospect what was really going on was kuroi trying to convince dunn to get on the derek counterwagon. I really feel like it would've been hard to construe the conversation in a different way if you knew the real answer (i.e. if titus was scum)
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Post Post #5174 (isolation #648) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:50 pm

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Like, dunn thought titus was scum for setting up an association between him and kuroi, but I feel like the association was genuinely developed
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Post Post #5183 (isolation #649) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:25 am

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In post 5178, MURDERCAT wrote:If Titus is scum I'll be mad, but everything is pointing towards Nero for me.
QFT

VOTE: nero

If chumba and dunn were right we owe a big apology to them. If we're right we'll feel really good about ourselves :)

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Post Post #5189 (isolation #650) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:27 am

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:D
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Post Post #5192 (isolation #651) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:30 am

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In post 5190, Titus wrote:Town wins!!!!! Yes!
Give me post game thoughts to show you're not trolling
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Post Post #5193 (isolation #652) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:31 am

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That was a hell of a game
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Post Post #5196 (isolation #653) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:34 am

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I've seen people do it before...

Anyway I believe you so yay :) :) :)
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Post Post #5198 (isolation #654) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:36 am

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Yeah that's true, the dunn thing in general gave me less confidence in associatives. But a lot more things pointed to chilled and nero scum than dunn scum
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Post Post #5199 (isolation #655) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:50 am

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Nero - you played really well man, you were just unlucky that my townreads were so accurate so I PoE'ed down to you.
Mathblade - Not your best game, we all have those, I hope you learned a thing or two about tunneling though
Dunn - I feel really bad about pushing your lynch in retrospect, I really should've known you were town.
Chilled - You really didn't play that badly, I was impressed you were able to survive for so long.
Chumba - I'm really sorry you had a bad experience this game, and I'm really sorry about your father. I hope you have better experiences whatever else you choose to do.
Titus - You did tunnel on chumba, but I really liked how you equivocated on your reads when we most needed you. Your depth of analysis helped a lot.
Murdercat - You were awesome to work with, once you stopped tunneling on me :) I felt a lot more comfortable having someone who I could discuss things with and who could back up my reads.

I'm curious if anyone else who's not in the game right now is still following it, probably not though
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Post Post #5201 (isolation #656) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:10 am

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I wonder what nero's role was
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Post Post #5204 (isolation #657) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:12 am

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lol
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Post Post #5205 (isolation #658) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:13 am

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In post 5195, Titus wrote:Game is over. Zero point to troll.
In post 5202, Nero Cain wrote:Titus your scum game is wonderful. You had Infinity and Murder completely fooled.
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Post Post #5207 (isolation #659) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:16 am

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lol murder
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Post Post #5208 (isolation #660) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:17 am

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Lots of drama. 22 players involved. 209 pages.

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Post Post #5213 (isolation #661) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:22 am

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Why exactly didn't you kill murder n3? Because you thought chumba would protect him?

I thought I was a safe kill n4 and probably what I would've done in your position.

As for chilled, we kinda put you in a difficult spot by rushing you into a decision, not sure if you should've bussed or not

PEdit: That was math that brought that up because of my "scumslip"
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Post Post #5260 (isolation #662) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:08 am

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In post 5230, RachMarie wrote:I think MC is definitely the Town's MVP in this game. With so much other headbutting, he really is the one who managed to get town to lynch the last two scums

uggh it was PAINFUL having a cop guilty and being dead and watching you all dance around town reading tea

I still would have died but on night 2 instead, and ya all would have lynched tea D2.

KaaG if you are still around dang you are good :P

GG and most of you I would definitely be happy to play with again
We should've lynched chilled d3 to avenge you~
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Post Post #5264 (isolation #663) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:31 am

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Yeah it's definitely doable for scum to make a catchup that looks good on the surface

KAAG = tommy in mini 1796, basically
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Post Post #5270 (isolation #664) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:42 am

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I'm curious, what made you think that?
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Post Post #5284 (isolation #665) » Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:44 am

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Mathblade, at least you didn't personally hurt anyone. Learn from this game and try to improve in the future.
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