Mini Normal 1814 Machiavellian Mafia (Game Over)

[Map Wolf]

Hey everyone! This is my third game, i am ready to play! I wonder what will happen?

VOTE: Nero Cain because his name (Nero) is the same as my cat.

[Map Wolf]

Also i don't know who named my cat.

[Map Wolf]

VOTE: BigYoshiFan for being the first one to post

That's rude someone has to start the game.

[Map Wolf]

I am looking foward to this game as it is pretty simple, and i am pretty confident that i can do well.

[Map Wolf]

Com'on people we need some posts to open up this game.

[Map Wolf]

I mean sure nothing is preventing us from lynching Elyse, and then just lynch a lying DW.

[Map Wolf]

That immediate OMGUS seems like an admission of guilt to me.

No I think you could be opportunistic scum.

I explained that Dwlee is likely trolling because of our history, there is a 0.1% chance of there being a day cop, and dwlee hasn't confirmed that he isn't joking.

I don't see how a townie would think voting me is a good idea at this point.

If he's telling the truth, then we've caught scum. And if he isn't then we've still caught scum because we know that he lied. Its a win win situation.

^Exactly. The only reason i can see DW being scum is if he is willing to bus his scummate on the first day. Even if he is it is still a win for us.
VOTE: Elyse DW will stand responsible if she flips town. Also please don't hammer.

[Map Wolf]

UNVOTE: Elyse because DW was joking.

[Map Wolf]

its funny that Map Wolf hasn't posted since his unvote.....looks like scum who messed up and now is laying low hoping it all will go away

The reason for my absence has nothing to do with my alignment or anything else in this game.

My entire vote on Elyse asumed that it was in fact not a joke or scumtest - that was why i threw it away because it was a test. Looking back 88 is very much a super scummy post. "Please don't hammer" doesn't even make sense in such a scenario, so town wagoning is certainly justified, but it is all based of a terrible post. As i slighty refer to in 19 i am Vanilla Townie.

[Map Wolf]

Some reads that i do want to bring up.

BYF

Null. I do like his questions on iraonavp, but he hasn't posted much else.

BlackStar

Lean town. His posts seem genuine.

Comparing

Null. Not much posted on his part.

Dwlee

Probably town. Not many scum are actually willing to do such a number.

MariaR

leaning scum. 117 sounds like someone who knows i am town.
Also i did read that Dw was joking about day cop, but i always think people are not joking until they say otherwise. Stupid perhaps, but that's that.

I am not going to really defend myself more than that i'll let you guys respond in one way or another.

[Map Wolf]

W/e the only person trying to give this guy and chance and I'm scum that's really upsetting

It is mostly instinct, but it would make sense.

[Map Wolf]

I am looking foward to this game as

it is pretty simple(...?)

, and i am pretty confident that i can do well.

That's a pretty lame defense.

Yes it is. I didn't write it as a way of using it as defense.

[Map Wolf]

I townread

Skold

because a scum would ideally shut up and just let town make a mislynch. 335 ("Though I do want this guy sitting at L-1") sounds somewhat scummy, but i can see that he wants to make the game to move foward.

gerryoat

is null. i think he is hard to read with his posts.

irao

is lean town. I feel like he has remained somewhat "stable" in his posts. He is somewhat do close to the 180 degrees turns, but i can see him just hunting for information.

Zap

is null. Not terribly convinced of his alignment.
It is kinda funny that

Rosske

sounds like he could be my scummate. "Spirtualy wagoning him [me]" could be a scummate reaction, but lets be honest any "scummate" i would hypothetically have would probably bus me to stay under the radar. I null read him.

Also i am not interested in staying under the radar. I will try to reply questions.

[Map Wolf]

@map wolf
What do you think of the rosske wagon?

I feel the tone in some of his posts feel scummy. 344 sounds like a scumpush, as it is an assumption, and it is a very simple argument. 439 is a very weak "defense" for being voted on, and is not very logically sound since he has only jumped on two wagons.

its funny that

Rosske

hasn't posted since his

wagon accusation

.....looks like scum who

got scumread,

and now is laying low hoping it all will go away

Now i feel he is leaning scum. He hasn't adressed much, but there may be more reasons for that. Not posting since being wagoned might not really mean much.
Also i am not gonna vote since i think that would be a hammer, and we can't say yet if/when we are going to hammer.

[Map Wolf]

Defending me would be the worst thing anyone could do if they were actually my scummate, A hypothetical scummate would've tried and follow the wagon not defend me.

[Map Wolf]

also this has been kinda dead the last day or so, where did everyone go?? make more posts like you did in the beginning.

It mostly exploded after the whole vote elyse thing from me.

[Map Wolf]

Defending me would be the worst thing anyone could do if they were actually my scummate, A hypothetical scummate would've tried and follow the wagon not defend me.

This has zero relevance to the game if Map Wolf is town-aligned. It's like he's just throwing WIFOM to confuse us after he gets lynched.

I was just responding to the notion that me and Zap were on the scumteam.

I think it's suspicious how Rosske vaguely softed PR.

Rosske, are you PR or not? If you don't give a straight answer, I will vote you.

Congrats. You just made the scummiest post in the entire game
VOTE: ira


It's bad enough that rosske had to soft that he's a pr. Yes, we don't know if that's true or not yet, but it's completely dumb to ask him to tell us his exact role. If he's telling the truth, that makes it even easier for the Mafia to decide to night kill him. And if he's lying, the real pr will counter claim and the Mafia still know who they want to nk. You don't lynch a pr claim on day 1, dude. I can't see any reason why a townie wouldn't be thinking like this, so you've got to be Mafia.

Does this mean there can only be 1 PR?

There can be any number of PRs, though usually less than half of all players have a power role.

[Map Wolf]

So i really don't know where we go from here. I think i will go through with my thoughts.

BYF

is null. 309 "agreed" as a followed by a vote seems scum in tone. Some other posts seem scum in tone, but i do like his replies to Ira whose alignment he seems to flip on.

BlackStar

i townread. His posts are genuine to me.

Comparing

lean-town for me. His long posts seem town.

DW

i think is lean-town. Lots of short posts, but i do agree about Ira...

Elyes

i think is lean-scum. Too many of her posts are trying to create a wagon.

gerryoat

is lean-town the vast majority off his posts are pro-town to me. Like myself he hasn't made "big" posts, so that is about it.

Iraon

i think is lean-scum. I am not going to make a case on him, but he flip-flops a ton from who he votes, and has made a case on really unimportant posts.

Maria

i null read. 562 sounds like a scummy attempt to make another wagon on me.

Nero

i think is lean-town. He has useful posts, and i agree with his cases on some players.

Rosske

is null. The question is whether he is "town" who just got some slightly unfortunate posts or scum trying to get the wagon off. I can't make a conclusion on that.

Skold

i think is null. I need for posts from him to be certain of anything.

Zaps

posts doesn't seem like something a scum would post. I town read them.


I am going to VOTE: Iraonavp due to his inconsistensies.

This will bring him to L-1

[Map Wolf]

I've wanted to start a wagon on you for the past day Map I can say that without a doubt in my mind.

Starting a wagon is in of itself not scummy. It is more the way that it is started.

[Map Wolf]

I've wanted to start a wagon on you for the past day Map I can say that without a doubt in my mind.

Starting a wagon is in of itself not scummy. It is more the way that it is started.

So me saying let's lynch map is scummy to you? That seems like omgus but who am I to judge

I find the way you start the wagon scummy - not the fact that you start the wagon.

[Map Wolf]

So please tell me what "way I did it" that was so scummy compared to everyone else

The way you wanted to revive the wagon with little to no reason.

[Map Wolf]

So please tell me what "way I did it" that was so scummy compared to everyone else

The way you wanted to revive the wagon with little to no reason.

Little to no reason??? Map you've been my biggest sr the whole game that's my reason after ross claimed pr I went to my next biggest sr (you)

Yes, and that is what i find scummy about the post. You knew that the wagon would not gain terrain without any reason for the wagon.

[Map Wolf]

So please tell me what "way I did it" that was so scummy compared to everyone else

The way you wanted to revive the wagon with little to no reason.

Little to no reason??? Map you've been my biggest sr the whole game that's my reason after ross claimed pr I went to my next biggest sr (you)

Yes, and that is what i find scummy about the post. You knew that the wagon would not gain terrain without any reason for the wagon.

If I "knew the wagon wouldn't start anyway" as you say I did I would have no reason to even say that I wanted you lynched in the first place

That is true, but i really doubt you thought the wagon would gain votes with such a post.

[Map Wolf]

BYF

is null. 309 "agreed" as a followed by a vote seems scum in tone. Some other posts seem scum in tone, but i do like his replies to Ira whose alignment he seems to flip on.

Doesn't mention "fellow townie" which is a bigger deal than "agreed".

I missed that post when i went through his ISO. Anyway i thought that post might've been "if you are town why would you suspect me" way of saying thing, and even then i agree it was a scummy post that i forgot about.

BlackStar

i townread. His posts are genuine to me.

Wasn't Black trying to defend Map for awhile?

Pretty sure he was.

Comparing

lean-town for me. His long posts seem town.

How so?

Long posts doesn't mean much. I think your (long) posts are logically sound, and seem town-minded.

DW

i think is lean-town. Lots of short posts, but i do agree about Ira...

Agreeing with someone does not make them town.

Me agreeing with their logic in their posts would be more accurate.

Elyes

i think is lean-scum. Too many of her posts are trying to create a wagon

(on me)

.

I agree.

gerryoat

is lean-town the vast majority off his posts are pro-town to me. Like myself he hasn't made "big" posts, so that is about it.

...

Iraon

i think is lean-scum. I am not going to make a case on him, but he flip-flops a ton from who he votes, and has made a case on really unimportant posts.

Maria

i null read. 562 sounds like a scummy attempt to make another wagon on me.

Last time you scumread Maria in your last readslist, but now she's done more of the same stuff you previously scumread her for and now she's null?

I only changed my conclusion. Scumreading simply because of one post is a little extreme too.

Nero

i think is lean-town. He has useful posts, and i agree with his cases on some players.

Some players such as Elyse.

Rosske

is null. The question is whether he is "town" who just got some slightly unfortunate posts or scum trying to get the wagon off. I can't make a conclusion on that.

Skold

i think is null. I need for posts from him to be certain of anything.

Zaps

posts doesn't seem like something a scum would post. I town read them.


I am going to VOTE: Iraonavp due to his inconsistensies.

This will bring him to L-1

Marked some "replies" in red - colour of my country!
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To touch on Nero i am pretty sure that at least one of Elyse/Maria/Iraon is scum.
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I thought Maria overreacted over me finding one post from her scummy, but she did also say she was wrong for that, so i will put that aside for now.

[Map Wolf]

Also his reads almost exactly line up with who is scumreading him. He chooses which reads would be most convenient for him and goes from there.

Pretty sure you are my only scumread who scumread me.

[Map Wolf]

Also his reads almost exactly line up with who is scumreading him. He chooses which reads would be most convenient for him and goes from there.

Pretty sure you are my only scumread who scumread me.

You only have one other scumread besides me and he happens to be your competing wagon.

Those are the most convenient reads you could have.

That is true. Of course there is a corelation between "convinience" and people i legit scumread.

[Map Wolf]

Looking at things i am really not sure whether iraon is scum or not. This day has been pretty boring, but we do need a lynch. Honestly i kinda doubt whether we should go for a different wagon i don't think that we should over think day one.

[Map Wolf]

I kinda want to lynch Elyse. Not that Iraon has made much of a case of himself (i mean he hasn't even responded to BlackStars questions)

[Map Wolf]

I'm back from my jog now let me say Why I have those 3 marked as mafia now.
Map has still done nothing to get the scumread I have on him off I don't see him doing anything that says "oh this is town map" I've played with map before when he was town EVERYONE townread him within the first 20 pages and I don't see that here at all the only thing he has going for him is the "bw was to fast no one tried to stop it" Bus is a thing.

I can see what you mean by this, and it would be stupid to claim that i've been playing well this game i admit that many of my reads have been off. To me being hard to townread doesn't bother me nearly as much as if i was scum (or PR) nor does it mean that i am scum. Like i have said earlier i am not really sure who we want to lynch, and that is my main problem right now. I am sure that i am alnost certainly not going to be nightkilled due to my VT claim, so at least i can "sleep" well at night.

[Map Wolf]

I just looked and I never said anything about my meta scumread it's sitting right here in my notes dear god I feel like a fucking moron let me say a few more things that people think Map can't be scum on

"The bw had little to no resistance" Maps a new player and I think a lot of players would bus new players to get town cred knowing that newer plays are most likely going to get found out sooner or later and it may be harder to justify there actions

"I don't see map doing ___ as scum" What are some of these things I know I've seen that said but if mafia has day talk I think he could be getting fed info on some things on what to do because it wouldn't be expected

Map's town game is really strong and I think when he flipped mafia he honestly didn't know what to do he was a lot more talkative in the other game and did I lot more I think him claiming VT also adds to that fact I don't think map wants to make a mistake

I honestly think Map is scared scum

I do agree that these points mean nothing in terms of me not being scum. Anyway if i may i will go explain a bit more on the two games i have finished (as town and scum respectively)

In Newbie 1721 i not only made helpful posts, but i seemed friendly and talkative in them, and i also made a lot more

direct

reads at people.

In this game 88 happened because i tought that "worst case is he is joking, and if so, then so what?" I think the scummy thing about the post was the direct and just downright "scummy" tone in it. After 88 i have been having hostile tones, and i haven't made nearly as good reads, which i think might be partly due to me being in "defense" mode - that is trying to get myself more trusted and make more "towny" posts. Anyway my towngame hasn't been nearly as good after 88 and its follow up (oh let me just blindly unvote and leave for 24hours).

What about scumgame?
In Summer Waltz i played as Scum. In this game the fact that there were so many posts, and players threw me off. I also got a bad entrance, and really didn't make any good impressions on anyone. I ended up really not contributing in the discussion, and basically would die as soon as my partner (theme setup) could leave. If you read the scum PT i didn't discuss any direct answers, and it was mostly "how's it going" if i had already gone through the main thread. Now in Summer Waltz i mostly made very random and weird moves in a somewhat desperate attempt to reach "something" which obviously failed. Now i ended up making an interesting move, which might've gotten my team a decisive advantage, but i was dead at that point.

So yes i agree that my responses, and overall towngame have been mediocore this game after 88. Also the amount of posts is no excuse - in Newbie 1721 there were more posts than this game so far.