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[Jake from State Farm]

sup

[Jake from State Farm]

I probably have. Why does it matter?

[Jake from State Farm]

That's a stretch.

You're not really that much of a n00b are you?

[Jake from State Farm]

That post I quoted certainly implies you're at least acting like one.

[Jake from State Farm]

vote Gamma

Good place to start.

[Jake from State Farm]

idk about funniest but it was amusing

[Jake from State Farm]

Thanks for killing the action xy

[Jake from State Farm]

This game died before it got started.

vote: rask

L-2

Let's hurry up and lynch him before he returns for the lulz.

[Jake from State Farm]

That question was kind of pointless. But ok. Nobody has posted enough to get any solid reads and yes the game felt dead. I haven't been able to play for 2 months and the fact that I'm playing a game where nobody is trying to play yet is frustrating me.

[Jake from State Farm]

actually
everyone should weigh in on whats happening right now

What's happening right now?

[Jake from State Farm]

not a pointless question
clarifying ambiguity like that is important

I thought it was obvious that my vote wasn't read based but sure I guess people could have been confused.

[Jake from State Farm]

I think jack isn't one trying to look busy.

[Jake from State Farm]

Is the*

Damn I hate my phone

[Jake from State Farm]

Why?

[Jake from State Farm]

Nothing wrong with an Rvs lynch every ombf in a while. I've been lynched twice without ever making a post. Win/lose no matter if you're having fun.

[Jake from State Farm]

Omg seriously my fat fingers and this small keyboard on my phone don't mix.

[Jake from State Farm]

Before it's too late? Too late for what?

[Jake from State Farm]

Whatever. If you're town play to your wincon ok? Thanks.

P.edit directed at psych obviously

[Jake from State Farm]

Doesn't bother me at all.

[Jake from State Farm]

Three people have said think of it as an RVS lynch and this concerns me.

Which 3?

[Jake from State Farm]

Maria what are your thoughts on this game?

It's boring so far and I expect mafia to win via deadline votes or this is just gonna die...wow that came off ruder then I wanted

It started boring but it's certainly isn't anymore.

[Jake from State Farm]

seems jake was the first to start the meme that the game's defunct

Well when 12 hours go by without a post that's pretty quiet imo.

[Jake from State Farm]

Why does her voting you bother you so much?

[Jake from State Farm]

Why does her voting you bother you so much?

we are friends. she votes me every day 1

The completed game you have on this site I don't think she did. When I clicked on her ISO, it was the 2nd page of 3pages (a woman after my own heart). You were also scum

But that still doesn't explain why you got so upset about it.

[Jake from State Farm]

I actually think I hate this game so many people are null or shitposting

PEdit: The whole "game died before it's got started" thing annoyed me, quite a few pointless posts and I hate anyone who wants to RVS lynch automatically

Whi was trying to "Rvs lynch automatically"?

I don't think anyone was seriously advocating that. This "hatred" from you seems forced/fake

[Jake from State Farm]

I've got to sit down and reread. Probably won't happen til tomorrow though. Weekends are always busy for me

P.edit ok but I don't get the point of bringing it up as nobody was really doing that. You're complaining about something that didn't happen.

[Jake from State Farm]

Gerry you're awfully worried about one vote. Why?

[Jake from State Farm]

I asked you a question. I'm not trying to get pressure on you and I certainly am not worried about the votes on me.

[Jake from State Farm]

Gerry you're awfully worried about one vote. Why?

You're awfully quick to try and get pressure on the person who started a bw on you

So now that it's obvious I wasn't trying to get pressure on you. Please answer my question and I'd appreciate it if you don't dodge anymore in the future. Thanks n

[Jake from State Farm]

If you would have just questioned it normally perhaps. Your question had a bunch of emphasis behind it and you followed it up with quoting posts so it definitely came off as an unnatural reaction to me.

[Jake from State Farm]

Hey, Jake and Gerry? What do you two think of Psyche?

Right now he's being useless and this new thing he's trying to do is kind of stupid. He hasn't shown any interest in wanting to look for scum

[Jake from State Farm]

Vote him!

I probably would if I trusted my reads more. I'm known for having notoriously bad reads plus I'm a little rusty.

[Jake from State Farm]

My plan to reread will be delayed. I'm feeling like shit today so I'm just going to take some medicine and sleep. Sorry

[Jake from State Farm]

Input from me is going to have to wait sorry. I don't feel comfortable giving reads until I'm able to reread and wasn't able to do that today because I'm not feeling well.

@gerry don't flatter yourself. I'm not paying you any extra attention becsuse your push on me doesn't worry me. When I see questionable behavior I question it and you have made at least 2 posts that I felt warranted more explanation from you. Just be glad you aren't playing with the old me.

[Jake from State Farm]

why do you guys even sign up to play

Cause there is no rule that says mafia takes precedence over real life. This is a game meant for fun so
If you're going to get upset because people have real lives. This really isn't the game for you.

[Jake from State Farm]

Hey Jake, can I get some input from you too? Any scumreads or townreads? Anything that you can say to get the ball rolling?

I will say based on what I've seen so far the person who I feel warrant votes on them would obviously be psyche.

[Jake from State Farm]

Hey Jake, can I get some input from you too? Any scumreads or townreads? Anything that you can say to get the ball rolling?

I will say based on what I've seen so far the person who I feel warrant votes on them would obviously be psyche.

Why won't you place a vote on him then?

cause it feels like a policy lynch. As bad as he is playing I actually don't think he would play this bad if he were scum. I don't think he'd push a policy lynch as scum either. I'd rather somebody investigate him cause if he's TOWN I feel he could be useful later in the game. Day 1 is a crap shoot so I'm not really worried about how useful somebody is Day one. If anything those trying to look useful could be scum vying for town cred.

[Jake from State Farm]

So you really think psyche could be scum?

[Jake from State Farm]

So why are you voting him?

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah pressuring somebody to contribute usually is a waste of time. Who's your best bet for scum at this early stage?

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't know who I'm scum reading yet. I find when I make decisions based on following a long normally my reads usually aren't good. When I step back and reread I get a clearer picture and pick up on things I've missed and my reads tend to be better. At least back where
I used to play. Don't really do it anymore.

It's like when you watch a movie for the first time and watch it again you see things that didn't really catch your eye or notice the first time

If you don't want to share that's cool.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't think that Jake's rationale for why psyche warrants votes makes any sense. He thinks that psyche warrants votes, but Jake doesn't want to vote him since it feels like a policy lynch, and psyche might be town, but Jake also thinks that pressuring people to contribute is a waste of time.

Why would psyche warrant votes - Jake doesn't think he's scum, doesn't want to policy lynch him and doesn't want to pressure him to contribute.

I'll explain.

Psyche is hands down the scummiest person in the game right now so it makes sense people want to vote him. That's what I mean by he warrants the votes. I personally don't believe his actions are an indication of scum so I'm not going to be voting him. Time is better spent voting the person you think is scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

As I said before, I think gerry is a pretty good scum candidate, but right now I'm leaning yoshi as the scummiest.

I really don't like 154-he didn't even ask why I was leaning town on maria, just that I shouldn't be townreading her. 174 is another scummy looking thing. He claims neither to have seen anything noteworthy, and he doesn't show any interest in changing that. Everything from yoshi so far has either been meaningless fluff or more oriented towards shutting down discussion as opposed to promoting it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BigYoshiFan

you actually never said gerry was a good scum candidate and your reasons for yoshi loop like you are reaching for something. So can you go back to gerry for a second. Tell me why you think gerry could be scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

look*

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: jaack

[Jake from State Farm]

that's a huge wall that I don't have time to read on my phone atm. I did skim the part that you posted after you quoted my post and I don't think you even heavily implied anything about gerry. The only post I saw was where you said you liked where I was headed with regards to me questioning him but I wasn't scum reading gerry at the time so agreeing with my questioning doesn't mean you are scum reading somebody.

so did I miss a post somewhere? can you link or quote the post where you heavily imply it?

[Jake from State Farm]

@yoshi do you have issues with town reading Maria early on specifically or do you have issues with people developing town reads early in general.

Personally think that post about Gerry from rask is pretty good. I feel like any player who's suspicious of another would be trying to interact with them. not to mention some of the stuff he says isn't even accurate and the stuff that is isn't alignment indicative.

If he or anyone else wants content from me. Here I am. Just ask.

[Jake from State Farm]

My scumread on Jake was because it seemed like he was trying to find a buddy. I asked for his scumreads because, well, it would help me determine if he was scum. The tone of which I said it was to make him feel comfortable in revealing. When I said "I have a scumread on someone" I wanted him to infer that it was not him, although it was, so he'd be more open to share any reads.

How did it seem like I was trying to find a buddy when you started the dialog with me out of the blue and I had basically been away for most of the day?

[Jake from State Farm]

i blatantly threatened you in a way you shouldnt like and your mind went to town/vig

To be honest my mind went to that also. But I'm used to people reaction testing with vig claims.

[Jake from State Farm]

For some reason I don't really understand anything you just said but that's ok i don't think I need to.

[Jake from State Farm]

Wow those votes are all over the place.

[Jake from State Farm]

How did it seem like I was trying to find a buddy when you started the dialog with me out of the blue and I had basically been away for most of the day?

Could you answer please?

Cause tbh it actually looks the other way around since you reached out to me

[Jake from State Farm]

Also the reason why I wasn't able to give scum reads was because I needed to get caught up and reread. Something I had said before he asked me for my reads. I said it again after I said I was sick and had to delay my reading. It was on the day I was sick when he asked for my reads.

Way to take advantage of me when I'm busy/sick. Regardless your alignment I find you to be a very malipuatuve and disrespectful person

[Jake from State Farm]

Actually, I said I wasn't going to let my emotions interfere with my gameplay but I really can't help it. I also can't see that kind of manipulation coming from somebody who is town. (At least I sure hope town wouldn't do something like that)

vote: yoshi

[Jake from State Farm]

We'll have to agree to disagree I guess. Cause I can't see how it is anything but manipulation. Not to mention of taking advantage of me when I was sick.

[Jake from State Farm]

An attempt to manipulate people against me.

[Jake from State Farm]

ok thanks for your input

[Jake from State Farm]

but go back and read that page again. Unless I am missing something I don't see where anyone asks him to explain why he was scum reading me. He also threw it out there at a very odd time because he just asked Gamma else what they thought about him and jack.

gamma responds back to Yoshi and then Yoshi's response back mentions why he was scum reading me, which confuses gamma and rightfully so because it confused me as well. It was an awkward transition. Like he's had a mental lapse and can't keep his shit straight or something.

Also I find it odd that he sort of abandons his scum read on me and changes it to the Jaack (who I am voting) and gerry (who through my questions has reacted poorly)

it kind of feels like he is reads are trying to mirror my own which I would definitely put into the potential buddying category.


lastly he isn't voting either of his scum reads, he is voting psyche who he is trying to pressure for more info but it's not working.

in a nutshell it's a bunch of busy work without making any effort to actually find or lynch scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

You're assuming. Yoshi completely ignored 322. Didn't respond or react to it at all. Why in the middle of his conversation with somebody else would he bring it up? Imo that's what somebody who's guilty does. Like he's worried about keeping his story straight.

As for 303, he basically says he agrees with gear's point and a couple posts later changed his original "jack was overreactive" to parroting gear and saying jack was "over the top".

How do you tell if that's a genuine change or opinion or buddying?

[Jake from State Farm]

Is it the fact that he's being grilled makes you think he's town? What do you make of his actual actions?

[Jake from State Farm]

well to be honest not many people have posted but one person has come to his defense

[Jake from State Farm]

also you assuming mafia will come to the defense of one of their partners is naive. I have seen mafia hard bus their buddies before, even seen 1 player hard bus both of his buddies before.

[Jake from State Farm]

I've seen this in the discussion forum: a 3 person team will find the weakest link and hard bus them, while the other 2 will never bus each other.

Yeah. Sometimes it isn't even planned though. Somebody slips up or is getting heat and instead of risking defending them you pile on.

But back to Maria. Rask was clearly coming to yoshi's defense. Do you not agree?

[Jake from State Farm]

Also yoshi only has 3 votes. How can that seem too easy when he isn't an official wagon yet? (My definition of a wagon is greater than 50% of the required votes)

[Jake from State Farm]

forgot this game is only 11 players. so used to 13

[Jake from State Farm]

Well school is a priority. As much as I hate replace outs. Wondering if we're better off with a replacement instead

[Jake from State Farm]

Yoshi's town get off this wagon rn

[Jake from State Farm]

You feel strong about number 1? That's where you originally answered a question not even directed at you and his response back to you said as much. What about that do you feel strongly about? There's nothing AI in number 1, if anything you come out looking bad for answering somebody else's question.

[Jake from State Farm]

Who cares if it was directed to someone else? I found it contradictory to his posts so you're damn right I'm gonna say it! He didn't even elaborate on why I could be wrong, just ignored it because it was from me.

Wait. Who contradicted his own posts? Who didn't elaborate?

[Jake from State Farm]

Is anyone else getting a scummy vibe from Jake and his recent posts, or is it just me?

Of course your getting a scummy vibe from me. I'm blowing up your game.

[Jake from State Farm]

Im not arguing with you.

I asked you cause I'm confused because your responses don't make sense based off the actual posts

[Jake from State Farm]

Jack asked light to expand on his read of gear

You respond to that saying that gear looks ok even though gear is defending you

Jack responds saying "the question wasn't directed at you but ok"

You say you still feel strongly about number 1 (so you are saying you feel strongly about jack saying you answered a question not directed at you? That seems odd)

I question you about that response

You essentially say "who cares if it was directed at somebody else. You found it contradictory to his posts"

So basically you are saying that jack asking light to expand on his gear read is somehow a contradiction to his other posts.


So yeah I'm confused. How can a question be interpreted as a contradiction?

[Jake from State Farm]

So somehow you are the one who is confused which supports my theory that you are having trouble keeping your story straight.

Now if you want to come back later and try and clear all this up for me. I'll be waiting but clearly #1 is not the post you meant to say. I'm
Not sure which post you meant though.

[Jake from State Farm]

VOTE: Jake from State Farn
UNVOTE: Psyche
You're not posting anything that can't be given just a simple answer, if you know what I mean. You're thinking "OMG HE POSTED THIS" instead of "Why did he post that?"
Does that make sense to anyone who isn't Jake? Do you agree with me? I dunno, a vibe is hard to explain, but I feel like I should justify my vote.

In a game of mafia there are always going to be simple questions. Scum slips happen when you get people to explain their answers. You seem to have trouble doing that right now. You can't even keep your story straight so yeahof course you are going to get a vibe from me. I'm making you nervous because im questioning things you have said that don't make sense to me. If you can't explain it, I'm going to keep asking until you can.

Right now your responses don't make sense. You have obviously confused posts. I'll wait til you have time to explain it better.

[Jake from State Farm]

Aren't always going to be simple questions is what I meant to say.

[Jake from State Farm]

I find it funny that psyche wanted to PL me yet he's been posting on site for the past 2 days and ignoring this game. If he's town it's inexcusable

[Jake from State Farm]

Hold up, when I said Gear looks okay even though he was defending me, I meant that in Jaack's point of view. I'm not reading him at all for that. In regards to Jaack's contradiction, it's that Jaack scumread me and Gear didn't, but Jaack finds that "ok". Also, Gear voted Jaack, but that seems "ok" to Jaack. You see where I'm going? How can you think someone's content is okay when they are defending your scumread AND voting you? Or am I horribly misunderstanding this?

This doesn't really make sense to me. I also don't think it explains what we were discussing either.

[Jake from State Farm]

it's so weird how someone can go from saying "random quicklynches on day 1 are nbd" to calling inactivity "inexcusable"

It's not weird at all actually. All lynches are useful, even quick lynches. Being a useless lurker isn't at all and is incredibly antitown/scummy.

[Jake from State Farm]

Sorry gear. Both of those statements are true.

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh and when yoshi made the Jake/jack mistake there wasn't 2 conversations going on. The mentioning of my name was completely out of the blue

P.edit - I'm not really worried about you believing me or not

[Jake from State Farm]

like, you understand that if we lynch town today, our odds of winning the game decrease substantially, right?

Yes as it is in every game and yet townies get lynched and those lynched provide information which is what I said. Sometimes to make an omelette you have to break a few eggs

[Jake from State Farm]

Idk probably but random quick lyyches are fun and I play to have fun. Did you miss that post? I don't care if I win or lose as long as I'm having fun.

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh and when yoshi made the Jake/jack mistake there wasn't 2 conversations going on. The mentioning of my name was completely out of the blue

Yoshi's 312 was about both of you, he was questioned about his read on you, 315, 334, he was talking about Jaack, 336 about you, responding to the questions about his read.

Also, I'm not an alt.

I'd go back and reread if I were you. Yoshi mentioning me in 312 came completely on his own. Nobody asked him about me. He wasn't questioned about his read on me because that's the first time he mentions who his mysterious scum read was on.

315 is where he was responding to jack. Correct. it has nothing to do with his later confusion.

The part I'm talking about though is 334 he asks gamma about jack
335 gamma responds
336 yoshi mentions me out of the blue again. Unprovoked

[Jake from State Farm]

Jaack asked him to explain in 322.

Interesting. Last I checked 322 comes after 315 where you originally claimed yoshi was responding because he was asked about me.

Oh also in post 400 yoshi admits he ignored post 322.

What else you got?

[Jake from State Farm]

Gear. This game requires reading comprehension ok?

[Jake from State Farm]

In 315 Yoshi was responding to Jaack, but not about his scum read on you. When Yoshi said he ignored 322, he obviously didn't mean that he didn't read it.

Please stop. Next time you try to defend somebody try using actual facts. Your entire defense of yoshi was just disproved and you actually proved my point. Yoshi mentioning me really made no sense

[Jake from State Farm]

he replaces out on his birthday and doesn't even say goodbye? that sucks.

[Jake from State Farm]

Wow. Scumreading ecane/her replacement a bit. Votes me without explaining and then dissappears? *shakes head*

pretty sure ecane explained why they voted you. It may not have been what you wanted but the explanation is there

[Jake from State Farm]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

@Gamma, did that ping you?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

@Gamma, did that ping you?

I don't understand this question at all. Please be a little more specific.

You seemed to be pinged by quite a few things earlier yet didn't really do much about them. Why's that?

Actually, Jake is

really

pinging me.
VOTE: Jake from State Farm

Okay what teh fuq everyone's being really pingy.

The way he said that really pinged me.

Well, it sure is now. Why can't you answer? Why didn't you follow up those pingy feelings you were having?

Really getting bad vibes from Gamma. Not sure how to explain uhh. Like sure, he's asking questions and stuff, but it just feels so... empty. I don't really see that desire to actually want to solve the game and find scum.

basically my interpretation of his posts. You said things were pinging you but you didn't really do much to follow up on any of it. he also says that he feels like your actions feel empty (which i interpret as not genuine aka fake scum hunting)

[Jake from State Farm]

Hold up, I'm at school right now, and after reading Jake's posts... Like what? His accusations make absolutely no sense. First of all, there was no misrake between Jake and Jaack, I used Jake the first time. Also, why do you mention this noe and not question it when it happened? A LOT more to come.

there was some sort of mistake. Maybe you don't consider it one but i certainly do.

you were asking Gamma about his thoughts on you and jack. Gamma responds to your question and then you go and explain why you are scum reading me. Gamma didn't ask you for that information. Gamma even asked you if you meant Jack since you were originally talking about him.

The mention of me came from what seems out of left field.

The ONLY person who asked you why you were scum reading (from what i can tell) was Jack in post 322 but i don't think you were responding to his question because you basically admitted to ignoring his post later in the game.

[Jake from State Farm]

why is that? You would have been better off just posting here and interacting with people instead of doing a reads list.

p.edit - i'll just have to take your word for it yoshi and right now your word isn't good to me. sorry

[Jake from State Farm]

I feel at this point you are just trying to cause confusion. You are acting confused when I have clearly and rationally explained all my thoughts and you i don't feel have done a good job with it. At one point i even asked you a clarifying question and you basically refused to answer me. i don't see that as a town motivated action.

so yes it sucks i am stucking tunneling on yet another person, I think I am tunneling in the right direction so my vote won't be coming off you anytime soon.

p.edit - No I haven't given up, i have no reason to give up. I feel pretty good I have found scum and i am hopeful people will finally open their eyes.

[Jake from State Farm]

Psyche. Why aren't you voting?

[Jake from State Farm]

i have no idea what yoshi and jake are even talking about right now

At this point me neither.

unvote

No matter how hard I push I don't think I'll be able to convince people to lynch yoshi

[Jake from State Farm]

i'm not trying to make it confusing. you are the one who has posted so many things that literally make no sense that my head is swimming. When I tried to get clarification you keep running in circles adding to the confusion. It's not worth it and it's obvious nothing I can do or say is going to convince people what I believe is true so i'll just cut my losses and look for your partners.

I'm sorry if you are taking my words about the game and taking it personal. It is not my intention and tbh I don't even know how you made that leap but anyways I apologize. Me saying your word is not good to me is not a personal attack. it's a game related one since I think you are scum and as such I can't trust the words of scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

If you want to cut your losses here, then fine. Everything you've said only made me more confident that you are scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

i'd actually appreciate some votes on gerryoat btw
i want to see what happens
pressure on maria would be good too

i'd be ok with a gerry lynch. he's had a couple bad reactions to easy questions and it seems like he's trying to stay out of the spotlight

[Jake from State Farm]

yeah cause I totally told somebody to F off...

[Jake from State Farm]

yes and it's not appreciated since it isn't even remotely close to what I did.

I did prove/disbunk gear's defense. Nothing in gear's defense was even remotely close to what actually happened.

Fast forward a couple of pages, yoshi changes his story from not reading any of Jack's post to reading and responding to 1 single aspect of it. And that 1 single thing just happens to be the part that I was questioning as out of place.

but nobody wants to take a step back and ignore their biases to actually think or discuss it so that's why I unvoted.

[Jake from State Farm]

Yoshi completely ignored 322.

You know why? It's because it isn't all that wrong. Some of the conflict is because I think more attention should be put upon those who aren't contributing and overall some actions I did appear to him as scummy. I still feel strong for 1. Number 2 was saying that this was a small encounter for such a huge response, which seemed scummy to me. I don't think his response to 3 was one that grilled me. Sure, I admit I should have asked for why he townread Maria, it would have been a logical thing to do there, but I didn't really because I don't care. I'd like some explanation on 4, and why he thinks 154 is scummy. He's got me on number 5 though. He's right, but like him I didn't feel like he was gonna respond so I looked into getting votes on him instead. Number 6 is just a matter of opinion. Personally, I think non-contributing players should be given more attention. Now 7, I dunno... I didn't think it was conceding at first, looking at it again I really just wanted to avoid any conflict, not to mention he was right.

Can you share your townreads then?

Maria and Rask. You know why? Because despite my epic grills they are still defending me, looking into the motive behind what we post and not being afraid to post everything they think about the game. My mafia game sucks, and I think scum is trying to take advantage of that.

^ Town

Wagon is icing on the cake.

nothing about either of those posts are actually AI. They could come from town or scum.

But maria, since yoshi couldn't answer this maybe you can.

Yoshi says he feels strongly about #1 right?

How can he feel strongly about yoshi answering a question that wasn't even directed at him and Jaack telling him that the question wasn't directed at him.

What is there to feel strongly about exactly?

[Jake from State Farm]

The more I see Yoshi grilled the more I want to say "oh yeah this is prob town" but this goes against the yoshi I know to some extent but I'm being a giant hypocrite and letting meta control that read when I've said I hate meta reads so I should just go with me gut and say he's town again

Is it the fact that he's being grilled makes you think he's town? What do you make of his actual actions?

I don't see anyone coming to his defense and I doubt mafia would let there partner get bussed so easy

Maria, earlier you said that yoshi wasn't really playing like the yoshi you know but you don't want to use meta.

later you say the fact that nobody is defending him means he is probably town.

fast forward multiple are defending him now. Does the fact that people are defending him not change anything?

I also want to point out that you just used the yoshi meta but remember you hate using meta.


p.edit - I literally just explained it in my post...

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't know what "1" is
but even if you answer a question that wasn't normally for you it's not a shocker if you still feel strongly about your answer to said question just because it wasn't for you doesn't mean you just dismiss the answer.

let's break this down. Put it in spoilers to prevent a wall post. Though i don't think any of the yoshi defenders will even read it.

Spoiler:

Jack asked Light about his read on gear

yoshi for some reason answers the question

jack says the question wasn't directed at him

fast forward. Yoshi says he still feels strongly about #1

I was confused because that was a weird thing to feel strongly about. Why would yoshi feel strongly about something completely irrelevant and not even related to him.

Yoshi's response was even more strange. Yoshi's response was

Who cares if it was directed to someone else? I found it contradictory to his posts so you're damn right I'm gonna say it! He didn't even elaborate on why I could be wrong, just ignored it because it was from me.

I am confused at this point because I don't think yoshi and I are talking about the same thing so I try to ask yoshi who he is talking about

Wait. Who contradicted his own posts? Who didn't elaborate?

to which yoshi basically refuses to answer me. here is the exchange which ends with Yoshi getting frustrated and voting me

Who cares if it was directed to someone else? I found it contradictory to his posts so you're damn right I'm gonna say it! He didn't even elaborate on why I could be wrong, just ignored it because it was from me.

Wait. Who contradicted his own posts? Who didn't elaborate?

Why are you even arguing with me if you don't know who?

Im not arguing with you.

I asked you cause I'm confused because your responses don't make sense based off the actual posts

VOTE: Jake from State Farn
UNVOTE: Psyche
You're not posting anything that can't be given just a simple answer, if you know what I mean. You're thinking "OMG HE POSTED THIS" instead of "Why did he post that?"
Does that make sense to anyone who isn't Jake? Do you agree with me? I dunno, a vibe is hard to explain, but I feel like I should justify my vote.

Yoshi clearly made a mistake. It's not even his first mistake. I am doing my best to post these mistakes in a clear and concise manner so people can read them for themselves but nobody even seems to want to. In my opinion there is no way anyone can read that exchange and think yoshi looks town or that yoshi even knows what he is talking about.

If people aren't going to put the effort in and actually question yoshi for his weird posts, there is nothing I can do about that but even if you town read somebody, they shouldn't get a free pass if they post questionable things.

[Jake from State Farm]

Who are the people defending him? Me and Rask

I am facepalming you right now because this proves you didn't read the posts revolving around the post where you exaggerated what i actually said.

[Jake from State Farm]

Follow up question
Do you think it should change something now that people are defending him?

given your earlier post yes unless you weren't being genuine with us.

[Jake from State Farm]

Post 406 legit screams town yoshi meta

well maybe you can help me out since yoshi wouldn't answer me.

Who's posts is he saying were contradictory?

Who didn't elaborate why yoshi could be wrong

who ignored it because it was him?

keeping in mind the original exchange was Jack asking light about light's read on gear and it had absolutely NOTHING to do with yoshi at all.

i'll wait

[Jake from State Farm]

OOOOOOO now you're trying to turn it on me!
#Scumclaim

People any got off the Yoshi wagon because me and rask started defending him in the first place Yoshi was a prime lynch target.

i'm not trying to turn anything on you actually.

[Jake from State Farm]

I tried to but he wouldn't answer me.
You also said this is classic town yoshi so that means you should have an understanding on what he was saying and who he was talking about

Also since you've said it twice now. More than you and rask have come to yoshi's defense. I'm not sure how you missed that especially since one of the people defending him lied to do it.

[Jake from State Farm]

Taking advice from a friend. Going to take a break to calm down. I can only deal with so much [redacted] at one time.

[Jake from State Farm]

Psyche, can I get your opinion on the current matter of me and Jake and, well everyone in thr last 100 posts, and I want a real analysis. Jake, look back one more time, and if you really want an answer, you will find it.

At this point it doesn't even matter.

Apparently everyone is fine with the fact your posts don't make sense and those who town read you seem to be doing it blindly which is just bad play which makes this game frustrating

[Jake from State Farm]

oh, between you and

jake

i don't have time for that tbh

Why did you italicize my name?

[Jake from State Farm]

Why rask and gamma?

P.edit. It's l-2

[Jake from State Farm]

That is genuine and no he's clearly not.

[Jake from State Farm]

I think rask is town. Gamma is null

P.edit. Nope I'm town.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok so gamma could be scum aligned. He's still null for me cause I've got bigger scum reads.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok so gamma could be scum aligned. He's still null for me cause I've got bigger scum reads.

This says nothing.

Obviously someone you think is null-aligned could be scum-aligned and you just don't know, and you already said that! You are just making it clear because I accused you together...

No I was responding to your question

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm vt. This wagon on me is so bad. Proves I'm right about yoshi.

[Jake from State Farm]

I have never wanted to be a Desperado as much as I am wanting to be right now.
Because I don't want to have to deal with this asshole.

Okay, I'm sorry that I didn't give you a chance.

I will just not talk to you for a while, I don't want to make the game into toxicity...

Too late. You have already made the game toxic.

[Jake from State Farm]

Intent to hammer Jake.

If I am killed, lynch Gamma Emerald tomorrow!

Gamma Emerald is trying to bus Jake from State Farm with urgency...

Why would scum kill you. You're helping them right now.

[Jake from State Farm]

I have never wanted to be a Desperado as much as I am wanting to be right now.
Because I don't want to have to deal with this asshole.

Okay, I'm sorry that I didn't give you a chance.

I will just not talk to you for a while, I don't want to make the game into toxicity...

Too late. You have already made the game toxic.

What?

No, I am pushing the game forward...

Pushing the game forward by advocating a lynch on one of the only people who has made sense and is obviously torn.

[Jake from State Farm]

I do believe it. I'm at l-1 cause people aren't paying attention

[Jake from State Farm]

THAT'S NOT HOW THIS GAME WO- *facedesk*

Look
Jake vs yoshi is TVT

or

SvT with jake being the scum take your PICK

I'm not scum. Yoshi probably isn't town. If you're town take the blinders off regarding yoshi.

[Jake from State Farm]

Smh town is going to lose.

Please lynch yoshi tomorrow. Sheep my read cause it's obvious as fuck why scum lynched me. Got to remove the intellectual threats anyway possible.

Will also say the timing of Gerry popping in was kind of convienent.

[Jake from State Farm]

Later guys.

[Jake from State Farm]

Why would I mention gamma? I told you he's null. My top scum read is and will always be yoshi. Gerry was my 2nd

[Jake from State Farm]

I see you're from Bloomington, Jake. I live like 20 mins away from you. I feel bad for lynching you now

You realize I'm playing a charachter right?

[Jake from State Farm]

Why would I mention gamma? I told you he's null. My top scum read is and will always be yoshi. Gerry was my 2nd

It's something that you should've noticed if you were town-aligned because of how scum-aligned it was...

Very static reads, too.

I noticed he voted scum. So Why exactly would I mention him?

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm working on controlling my temper and to not insult anyone so please just go ahead and lynch me. Unfortunately town has proven they aren't going to be able to pull out a win so I'd rather. It have to suffer through anymore of this game.

@ira if you're town please never join any game I'm in ever again.

Goodnight

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm working on controlling my temper and to not insult anyone so please just go ahead and lynch me. Unfortunately town has proven they aren't going to be able to pull out a win so I'd rather. It have to suffer through anymore of this game.

@ira if you're town please never join any game I'm in ever again.

Goodnight

Why aren't you voting yourself if you just want to be lynched?

Completely fake.

Because that's playing against my win condition.

[Jake from State Farm]

VOTE: Psy Lets go

Rask and Yoshi are never getting lynched while I'm alive

And if you are town this is the shit I'm talking about. You have blinders on. You have to be willing to reasses. Especially day one. You have already proven you ignored basically everything I've said about yoshi. You also proved you didn't read the interaction between me and gear. So if you're town you are precisely the problem with this game.

[Jake from State Farm]

I did actually. But given that I asked you to explain something that he said that didn't make sense you also refused just like he did. That's a sign that you aren't willing to even consider you could be wrong because that was one of his scum slips.

You also exaggerated my comment to gear and later failed to acknowledge that gear was defending yoshi also which confirms you aren't actually making an effort to read and evaluate things.

[Jake from State Farm]

Dude.
Someone legit said "lynch Jake and I'll give you a free pass" and I passed it up.

And?

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm still trying to figure out why I'm not scum reading you. I probably should but I still have you as null though. Mainly cause I'm today's lynch and I don't have to worry about it.

Btw I should be lynched. It's proper play. Always lynch claimed VT d1 to prevent any other claims being outed.

[Jake from State Farm]

It has. I can even pinpoint exactly when it started.

[Jake from State Farm]

Okay then.
VOTE: Jake From State Farm
This might be overkill.

No pretty sure that's the hammer.

Please lynch yoshi tomorrow. Gerry the day after. (Or at the very least check them out)
Ignore ira cause he's probably just trolling which sucks for town.

[Jake from State Farm]

really quick check of iraon has him trying this another replace game and lynching scum so i guess he feels really confident and justified with the approach

What?

[Jake from State Farm]

If jake flips town I'm tunneling in Light Gerry Psy

I'm flipping town and the ONLY person who should get lynched tomorrow is yoshi.

[Jake from State Farm]

If jake flips town I'm tunneling in Light Gerry Psy

I'm flipping town and the ONLY person who should get lynched tomorrow is yoshi.

Never gonna happen with me alive.

Hey guess what. There's a rule on this site.

Do not bring outside influences into the game

- this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, "trust tells",

alliances

, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.

when this game is over you two aren't masons this game, I'm going to seriously wonder if this rule wasn't violated.

There's no other way you can have this kind of certainty

[Jake from State Farm]

Btw I should be lynched. It's proper play. Always lynch claimed VT d1 to prevent any other claims being outed

gosh ur so dumb

Please no need to resort to insults.

[Jake from State Farm]

I considered the possibility I was wrong. Then I reread his scum slips and try to figure out how town could post those things. I can't figure it out.

Can you explain it? How did yoshi scum slip multiple times if he's town?

[Jake from State Farm]

Already have. Thanks for proving you're paying attention

[Jake from State Farm]

It's a shame town is going to lose this game.

Good night and good riddance.

[Jake from State Farm]

What you quoted aren't scum slips

the things I was grilling yoshi about were very likely scum slips. He also showed signs of manipulation and out right lying.

I mean lots of people do that on this site so sure I guess it's possible he's town and I'm wrong but I'll always be fooled by dishonesty. Town shouldn't have to lie

[Jake from State Farm]

yep. And that's why town will always lose because people do things like that.

I can't take you seriously anymore.

[Jake from State Farm]

Town should never be afraid of how they are perceived. Town should never be afraid to say who they are scum reading.

This is actually one of the reasons why I was obvious town. No scum is going to be stupid enough to push on somebody who's universally town read. Man I wish people would actually think about motives sometimes.

[Jake from State Farm]

yep. And that's why town will always lose because people do things like that.

I can't take you seriously anymore.

I mean you're sring obv town so I don't think I should take advice from you!

*puffy face*

If yoshi is town then Maria is scum. He's done nothing this game to make himself obvious town

[Jake from State Farm]

That mod thread is wrong.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'd love to get actual feedback. What could I have better?

Don't go into lylo trying to case doubt on the cleared townie.

You were so convinced ira was town even in lylo when it's obvious he's not, you still acted like he was until it was too late.