Mini Normal 1832 [game over]

[iraonavp]

Hi, everyone!

I'm town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Okay, it seems like Jake from State Farm, Raskolnikov, and Gamma Emerald are scum-aligned...

VOTE: Jake from State Farm

Jake from State Farm has the largest wagon, so I am voting him!

[iraonavp]

I feel at this point you are just trying to cause confusion. You are acting confused when I have clearly and rationally explained all my thoughts and you i don't feel have done a good job with it. At one point i even asked you a clarifying question and you basically refused to answer me. i don't see that as a town motivated action.

so yes it sucks i am stucking tunneling on yet another person, I think I am tunneling in the right direction so my vote won't be coming off you anytime soon.

p.edit - No I haven't given up, i have no reason to give up. I feel pretty good I have found scum and i am hopeful people will finally open their eyes.

This is not genuine at all...

Also, BigYoshiFan is clearly town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

"Cut your losses"
One of Jake or Yoshi is scum.

Gamma Emerald is just standing in the shadows and taking moves at random people...

This suggests to me that he is scum-aligned with Jake from State Farm.

[iraonavp]

Why rask and gamma?

P.edit. It's l-2

Okay, I will explain.

Do you think they are town-aligned?

[iraonavp]

That is genuine and no he's clearly not.

Okay, you're scum-aligned then!

[iraonavp]

Gamma Emerald is just sitting there... And all his posts are very fake and scum-aligned.

Wow. Scumreading ecane/her replacement a bit. Votes me without explaining and then dissappears? *shakes head*

Look at this, does Gamma Emerald really believe this is scum-aligned? No, he is just trying to throw shade at a lurker and then spam rhetoric...

Most of Gamma Emerald is just vapid and insincere.

[iraonavp]

Okay: what do YOU want me to post then?

What?

I don't want to tell you what to post in order to trust you... I want you to not post at all so that we don't get mislead as little as possible.

[iraonavp]

Ok so gamma could be scum aligned. He's still null for me cause I've got bigger scum reads.

This says nothing.

Obviously someone you think is null-aligned could be scum-aligned and you just don't know, and you already said that! You are just making it clear because I accused you together...

[iraonavp]

Okay: what do YOU want me to post then?

What?

I don't want to tell you what to post in order to trust you... I want you to not post at all so that we don't get mislead as little as possible.

So you want me to lurk?

Yes, but you cannot use it as an excuse when we come to lynch you "iraonavp told me to lurk so that's why I never did anything".

[iraonavp]

[iraonavp]

You are going to say I'm scum and then tell me not to defend myself? You are an idiot if you think anyone's going to listen to that.

I know you are scum-aligned.

People will listen to me because they can see that I'm right!

Gamma Emerald is "caught for the wrong reasons" and upset that I am not giving him a chance... He doesn't really think I am scum-aligned, either.

[iraonavp]

i could see why you scumread gamma
but explain me and jake

Both of your objections to MariaR's posts on the basis of "they are not considering you as scum-aligned" is a fraudulent argument, and you are presenting it in a way that is suspicious.

Most of your posts are just lower case trying to generate WIFOM and appear relaxed...

[iraonavp]

It's suspicious because it's something that you think about most as scum-aligned. You see someone who trusts you and think "wow, why are they trusting me?" because you are conscious of your own alignment.

And it's not even a good point... I can say the same thing about 546. Why are you saying that I could read Gamma Emerald as scum-aligned without considering that I could be scum-aligned who doesn't really believe that?

Actually, the main reason I find you suspicious is your tone. It's very scum-aligned... Like you are just sitting in a very uncomfortable position for the entire game, you are just openly awkward...

[iraonavp]

I think he's at L-1 or L-2 now

It's L-1, I counted before.

[iraonavp]

Hi, everyone!

I'm town-aligned.

THE GOD IRA.

DON'T ENCOURAGE HIM YOU ASS

We are all god.

[iraonavp]

I think ira is scum trying to slowly silence the town.
BTW I'm thinking about joining the Jake wagon. Not like ira can scumread me any more, right?

Yes, you should quickhammer your partner!

This post is basically claiming scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

I have never wanted to be a Desperado as much as I am wanting to be right now.
Because I don't want to have to deal with this asshole.

Okay, I'm sorry that I didn't give you a chance.

I will just not talk to you for a while, I don't want to make the game into toxicity...

[iraonavp]

I have never wanted to be a Desperado as much as I am wanting to be right now.
Because I don't want to have to deal with this asshole.

Yes, you should.

If you vote Jake from State Farm, I will never lynch you for the rest of the game!

[iraonavp]

Quote is not meant to be there...

[iraonavp]

Intent to hammer Jake.

If I am killed, lynch Gamma Emerald tomorrow!

Gamma Emerald is trying to bus Jake from State Farm with urgency...

[iraonavp]

He's just finding any excuse to vote Jake when he is about to be lynched...

I think you are town-aligned, but you really shouldn't trust him, MariaR!

[iraonavp]

I have never wanted to be a Desperado as much as I am wanting to be right now.
Because I don't want to have to deal with this asshole.

Okay, I'm sorry that I didn't give you a chance.

I will just not talk to you for a while, I don't want to make the game into toxicity...

Too late. You have already made the game toxic.

What?

No, I am pushing the game forward...

[iraonavp]

Intent to hammer Jake.

If I am killed, lynch Gamma Emerald tomorrow!

Gamma Emerald is trying to bus Jake from State Farm with urgency...

Why would scum kill you. You're helping them right now.

[iraonavp]

I said before there was one scum between Jake and YoshiFan.
Now that Jake has claimed:
VOTE: BigYoshiFan

Look, now he's afraid to hammer because I said he was bussing!

[iraonavp]

I have never wanted to be a Desperado as much as I am wanting to be right now.
Because I don't want to have to deal with this asshole.

Okay, I'm sorry that I didn't give you a chance.

I will just not talk to you for a while, I don't want to make the game into toxicity...

Too late. You have already made the game toxic.

What?

No, I am pushing the game forward...

Pushing the game forward by advocating a lynch on one of the only people who has made sense and is obviously torn.

You cannot believe this. If you were obviously town-aligned, you would not be at L-1. This is just posturing...

[iraonavp]

I said before there was one scum between Jake and YoshiFan.

Now that Jake has claimed:

VOTE: BigYoshiFan

Look, now he's afraid to hammer because I said he was bussing!

Deliberate misrep.
Shut the **** up, ira.

No, I refuse.

[iraonavp]

I said before there was one scum between Jake and YoshiFan.
Now that Jake has claimed:
VOTE: BigYoshiFan

WHAT? HE CLAIMS AND YOU AUTOMATICALLY BELIEVE HIM? (Throws laptop out window)

Exactly...

What a fake post.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Jake
If you want to pressure me rask do it yourself bet make others do your bidding
I expected some big sr when psy when in fact it's clear he wasn't reading the thread because my Gerry vote was because he was my friend ans I wanted to see his rxn
Let's join the bw now shall we

MariaR, you were already voting...

[iraonavp]

THAT'S NOT HOW THIS GAME WO- *facedesk*

Look
Jake vs yoshi is TVT

or

SvT with jake being the scum take your PICK

Can you tell me how Yoshi is town without using meta?

BigYoshiFan is obviously town-aligned...

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Jake
If you want to pressure me rask do it yourself bet make others do your bidding
I expected some big sr when psy when in fact it's clear he wasn't reading the thread because my Gerry vote was because he was my friend ans I wanted to see his rxn
Let's join the bw now shall we

MariaR, you were already voting...

YOU DON'T OUT THAT

What?

[iraonavp]

Smh town is going to lose.

Please lynch yoshi tomorrow. Sheep my read cause it's obvious as fuck why scum lynched me. Got to remove the intellectual threats anyway possible.

Will also say the timing of Gerry popping in was kind of convienent.

You weren't hammered...

Also, notice how there is no mention of Gamma Emerald here when he made the incredibly suspicious jump onto BigYoshiFan.

[iraonavp]

If yoshi isn't town I'm getting whipped harder then when I whipped Rask in that game (SHADE)

Pedit: @Ira the fake hammer was there for reactions from jake

Oh, I thought you just forgot...

[iraonavp]

anyone up for a last minute flash wagon on psy?

I think Psyche is null-aligned, or slightly town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Why would I mention gamma? I told you he's null. My top scum read is and will always be yoshi. Gerry was my 2nd

It's something that you should've noticed if you were town-aligned because of how scum-aligned it was...

Very static reads, too.

[iraonavp]

anyone up for a last minute flash wagon on psy?

Unvote jake
iraonvp is most convinced on gamma scum but wants to lynch jake on like entirely association or something
gerryoat is probably scum and has inexplicably wanted jake gone from rvs
psyche's vote was left on from rvs and he doesnt even scumread this

What?

Well, I am most convinced about Gamma Emerald being scum-aligned.

I think Jake from State Farm is scum-aligned too independently, and the interactions between them make sense for them to be scum-aligned together.

[iraonavp]

I'm working on controlling my temper and to not insult anyone so please just go ahead and lynch me. Unfortunately town has proven they aren't going to be able to pull out a win so I'd rather. It have to suffer through anymore of this game.

@ira if you're town please never join any game I'm in ever again.

Goodnight

Why aren't you voting yourself if you just want to be lynched?

Completely fake.

[iraonavp]

Okay, I trust that...

VOTE: light_ganski

[iraonavp]

There is a chance he is vigilante and the scum-aligned kill is blocked, but doesn't seem very likely to me.

Even though Jake from State Farm and Raskolnikov are actually town-aligned, I still think Gamma Emerald is scum-aligned... In fact, it makes more sense for him to keep voting Jake after I accused of bussing to make himself look like he can't be scum-aligned!

[iraonavp]

Well that was a lot of posts....

I still think Jake is town and this wagon is dumb.

In fact, my reads have remained largely unaffected from all that junk, aside from maybe prefering Gamma as a lynch candidate over yoshi.

Dude.
Someone legit said "lynch Jake and I'll give you a free pass" and I passed it up.

This is extremely scum-aligned, as well as 580 and 604...

Gamma Emerald doesn't even think I'm scum-aligned! He is just voting me under a pretense of policy...

[iraonavp]

From looking at light_ganski's ISO, it looks like ecane and Gamma Emerald are scum-aligned with her from the read list, and how light_ganski is hesitant to read ecane as town-aligned... There is little interaction with Gamma Emerald, and interaction with ecane is suspicious.

Also, it shows BigYoshiFan and probably Psyche as more town-aligned, the way she is pushing them can't be a bus.

[iraonavp]

I don't Gamma is scum. I think of 580 as a misunderstanding of how the game works, and I see it as further evidence in the genuinity of his reads. I don't know what 604 was about, but I don't see it as scummy. And honestly, I don't think someone who is scum would OMGUS Ira as hard as Gamma did. Let's not forget he created his account two weeks ago.

He doesn't even have reads... He just said that one of them was scum-aligned, then used it as an excuse to hop between the two, going with the flow! It's simple scum-aligned play.

He is new, but also scum-aligned...

[iraonavp]

From looking at light_ganski's ISO, it looks like ecane and Gamma Emerald are scum-aligned with her from the read list, and how light_ganski is hesitant to read ecane as town-aligned... There is little interaction with Gamma Emerald, and interaction with ecane is suspicious.

Also, it shows BigYoshiFan and probably Psyche as more town-aligned, the way she is pushing them can't be a bus.

Dude, you replaced ecane.

Okay, I forgot... Nevermind about that part then...

[iraonavp]

I am town watcher, saw light_ganski targeting rask last night.

VOTE: light_ganski

A quick iso of ganski doesn't leave me with any good feels as to a partner, but my guess it would be someone on the Jake wagon. Probably Gamma or Yoshi.

Why did you target light_ganski?

He didn't target light_ganski, he targeted Raskolnikov...

And probably he did that because Raskolnikov asked not to be protected.

[iraonavp]

Who do you think is scum-aligned then?

[iraonavp]

Gamma is mafia PR. Only nilla would lead kill so light is nilla. I'm trying to get maf PR killed, and you guys are being dumb, but idc anymore

What is nilla?

[iraonavp]

Gerry stop the over reactions it's so cringe and not helping you.

He did it last time, too... I am taking it as null-aligned.

[iraonavp]

how are they confirmed guilty? lol

I think this is an attitude that a scum-aligned player would not have towards their partner after other people just strongly wagoned them...

But if light_ganski somehow is town-aligned, this is a very scum-aligned post.

[iraonavp]

From looking at light_ganski's ISO, it looks like ecane and Gamma Emerald are scum-aligned with her from the read list, and how light_ganski is hesitant to read ecane as town-aligned... There is little interaction with Gamma Emerald, and interaction with ecane is suspicious.

Also, it shows BigYoshiFan and probably Psyche as more town-aligned, the way she is pushing them can't be a bus.

Yeah, Gamma Emerald was basically pointless yesterday and as a result I ended up overlooking him, it was an error. As for ecane I solidly townread her right up to her replace out and never scum read her so where are you getting that from? You replaced into ecane's slot, is it guilty conscience?

Okay, light_ganski is scum-aligned then for sure.

Well, at least I read the thread before she hammered herself!

[iraonavp]

My reads are that Gamma Emerald, and one of Psyche or Gear are scum-aligned.

I would unvote just in case it was not a hammer, but I don't mind ending the day now actually...

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[iraonavp]

I didn't get enough time to post yesterday.

Okay, MariaR is scum-aligned...

Her justification for fakeclaiming bodyguard is fake because she was reading gerryoat as scum-aligned, and how does claiming that help anyway...

The motivation for that is to appear like she was being roleblocked as bodyguard (since gerryoat revealed that there is roleblocker, and she claimed immediately afterwards), to make herself look town-aligned for claiming unprompted. But she retracted it after realizing at night that a real bodyguard would protect Jaack night 2 (originally I could see it was obviously fake because she didn't protect Jaack, I was going to argue that but she retracted...).

Additionally, she was defending Gamma Emerald quite hard with lip service but stopped defending and quickhammered him when she saw she could get an easy mislynch! She didn't think Gamma Emerald was scum-aligned at all, during day 1 and day 2 she kept going on about how town-aligned he was.

I think the other scum-aligned player has to be one of Gear or Psyche though. I will decide on that once they actually post stuff...

[iraonavp]

gosh gerry that was dumbbb

Who do you think is scum-aligned?

You aren't really doing much now...

[iraonavp]

I didn't get enough time to post yesterday.

Okay, MariaR is scum-aligned...

Her justification for fakeclaiming bodyguard is fake because she was reading gerryoat as scum-aligned, and how does claiming that help anyway...

The motivation for that is to appear like she was being roleblocked as bodyguard (since gerryoat revealed that there is roleblocker, and she claimed immediately afterwards), to make herself look town-aligned for claiming unprompted. But she retracted it after realizing at night that a real bodyguard would protect Jaack night 2 (originally I could see it was obviously fake because she didn't protect Jaack, I was going to argue that but she retracted...).

Additionally, she was defending Gamma Emerald quite hard with lip service but stopped defending and quickhammered him when she saw she could get an easy mislynch! She didn't think Gamma Emerald was scum-aligned at all, during day 1 and day 2 she kept going on about how town-aligned he was.

I think the other scum-aligned player has to be one of Gear or Psyche though. I will decide on that once they actually post stuff...

You're a moron I claimed bg to try and protect a pr I thought gerry had a guilty so it would be EASY TO GIVE US SCUM BUT IT WOULDN'T A GUILTY IT WAS A ROLE NOT ON THE GOD DAM SITE OF COURSE THAT WAS MESSED UP

No reason to be so angry, it just seems fake...

I don't see how you could think gerryoat claimed a guilty on Gamma Emerald, that's not the impression that I got.

I got the message from night 3, all it says is that gerryoat pinged me. So what gerryoat thought is that since Gamma Emerald was targeted by him the first night, giving the scum-aligned players his identity, then he was blocked the second night.

How does claiming bodyguard protect a PR, especially considering that gerryoat just revealed there is a roleblocker?

[iraonavp]

No Gerry you're just more Scummy then Gamma and make sense as lights partner.

I HARD CLAIMED PR. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. AND I WAS ROLE BLOCKED TONIGHT

He said he was roleblocked?

How could he possibly have a guilty on Gamma Emerald?

You aren't this illiterate... You're just pretending like you didn't understand the situation as an excuse for openly scum-aligned play.

[iraonavp]

I read his ISO, it's very clear he didn't say that and even I can work it out without knowing what gerryoat's role is.

Whatever I'm a bodyguard

lynch Gerry if this is wrong

VOTE: Gamma

This is very scum-aligned too...

Still, claiming bodyguard doesn't help protect gerryoat at all.

[iraonavp]

fuck you ira vote me then I hope you are town and lose you are the most infuriating player I have ever played with

No, I will not vote until Gear and Psyche post more because otherwise I will not know who to vote if you quickhammer and I survive to 3p...

I think your frustration is very out of place and scum-aligned considering how you clearly know you made a mistake if you are town-aligned. You aren't addressing any of the obvious flaws in your actions and just appeal to emotion...

[iraonavp]

BECAUSE I THOUGHT GERRY HAD A GUILTY FRO N1 THAT'S WHEN GAMMA WAS FUCKING PINGED N1 WHEN GERRY WASN'T ROLE BLOCKED

Okay, that part makes more sense at least. I didn't consider that...

It helps when mafia could think of killing me over the pr

Why would they kill bodyguard over gerryoat?

If you are really bodyguard, they kill you anyway if they try to kill gerryoat.

Also, he said there is a roleblocker just before you claimed... Why would they kill a bodyguard if they can just roleblock them?

The claim is for the sole purpose of making you seem town-aligned! There was no actual benefit to it if you are town-aligned, and you didn't really have that in mind. Just some people think if you claim early and for no reason you are town-aligned, I take advantage of this sometimes...

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Ira
Idc you're a moron and bad if you're town idgaf you can lose.
If your mafia and I don't know it in psy/gear great!

Okay, you're scum-aligned then.

VOTE: MariaR

[iraonavp]

gosh gerry that was dumbbb

Who do you think is scum-aligned?

You aren't really doing much now...

what are you doing?

What?

I am trying to lynch MariaR...

[iraonavp]

This is just last resort flailing...

[iraonavp]

fuck you ira vote me then I hope you are town and lose you are the most infuriating player I have ever played with

No, I will not vote until Gear and Psyche post more because otherwise I will not know who to vote if you quickhammer and I survive to 3p...

I think your frustration is very out of place and scum-aligned considering how you clearly know you made a mistake if you are town-aligned. You aren't addressing any of the obvious flaws in your actions and just appeal to emotion...

YOU'VE SEEN ME RAGE BEFORE I don't rage at random... w/e

Yes, and you were scum-aligned...

[iraonavp]

UNVOTE: MariaR

I know, but you should always vote someone who votes you a lylo as a policy because if they are town-aligned and don't move their vote, you will be quickhammered.

I will wait more now, though...

[iraonavp]

fuck you ira vote me then I hope you are town and lose you are the most infuriating player I have ever played with

No, I will not vote until Gear and Psyche post more because otherwise I will not know who to vote if you quickhammer and I survive to 3p...

I think your frustration is very out of place and scum-aligned considering how you clearly know you made a mistake if you are town-aligned. You aren't addressing any of the obvious flaws in your actions and just appeal to emotion...

YOU'VE SEEN ME RAGE BEFORE I don't rage at random... w/e

Yes, and you were scum-aligned...

I rage as town and mafia smart one get it through your thick skull. Thank you.

Yes, and in this instance you are faking frustration at something unwarranted.

[iraonavp]

He didn't fake a guilty, he made it clear what it was and that he was basically friendly fruit vendor who got roleblocked since Gamma Emerald knew who he was...

Even if you misinterpreted it then, it is extremely dishonest to continue to misrepresent it now.

[iraonavp]

i feel ok saying maria and iraona are both town
actually it sort of makes me gnash my teeth in concern
but whatever, ok

How can you think MariaR is town-aligned?

You said yourself her all caps loudness was fake!

Is it just because she didn't yell in response to your post? Because if so, I don't believe that and it seems like fitting evidence to a read.

[iraonavp]

From looking at ISOs, I would vote Psyche over Gear but it's a very slight thing.

Only because of Psyche's read on light_yagami and response to the watcher claim... And Gear just seems like a standard town-aligned player.

I really don't want to lynch anyone other than MariaR today, though.

[iraonavp]

Gear isn't deliberately lurking, his signature said he is V/LA on weekends...

We should definitely wait for Gear to come back.

[iraonavp]

Time to see if Psy and Ira are mafia
VOTE: Gear

This is pretty much a quickhammer attempt!

Pretty sure MariaR and Psyche are scum-aligned then.

[iraonavp]

how sure can we be that there are 3 scum

It's not for sure, but every mini game I played has 3 scum-aligned players.

[iraonavp]

if we're sure there are 3 scum, then maria is basically ruled out as one of them

Why?

I think it's still possible for Gear and MariaR actually... It could be trying to bus him very hard, so she knows Gear isn't town-aligned so unafraid to put him at L-1. Either way, MariaR would not do that as town-aligned when Gear didn't even post...

[iraonavp]

MariaR doesn't have any explanation or previous history of thinking Gear is scum-aligned...

It just came out of nowhere at the start of the day, and the previous (justified to some extent) suspicion of Psyche disappeared. MariaR, can you explain what changed your reads like this?

[iraonavp]

I think she has a tactic of voting at lylo and appeal to emotion to introduce panic so people act more irrationally, she did that sort of thing in the previous game.

[iraonavp]

MariaR doesn't have any explanation or previous history of thinking Gear is scum-aligned...

It just came out of nowhere at the start of the day, and the previous (justified to some extent) suspicion of Psyche disappeared. MariaR, can you explain what changed your reads like this?

MariaR, can you respond?

[iraonavp]

MariaR doesn't have any explanation or previous history of thinking Gear is scum-aligned...

It just came out of nowhere at the start of the day, and the previous (justified to some extent) suspicion of Psyche disappeared. MariaR, can you explain what changed your reads like this?

MariaR, can you respond?

It was mostly over night thinking about all the scum teams and Gear just fits into any scum team for me I felt the way light danced around reading gear was also awk and fishy I think it's the best vote I have atm even if it's not as strong as I would like to admit.

MariaR is voting a weak read at lylo when Gear didn't even post because she is scum-aligned...

[iraonavp]

if we're sure there are 3 scum, then maria is basically ruled out as one of them

Why?

I think it's still possible for Gear and MariaR actually... It could be trying to bus him very hard, so she knows Gear isn't town-aligned so unafraid to put him at L-1. Either way, MariaR would not do that as town-aligned when Gear didn't even post...

why would maria bus in a gamestate like this one

Like MariaR said before, she did it in the other game... Also, I think people suspect MariaR and Gear the most.

I'm still conflicted about that. You seem very minimalistic so it's difficult to interpret your motives sometimes.

I really hope Gear hasn't left forever, so we have to get replacement...

[iraonavp]

I think it's immoral to make that judgement, but I think she is overly emotional.

[iraonavp]

I can see why you are asking that, but no she is not illiterate enough to completely misinterpret gerryoat, fakeclaim bodyguard, then quickhammer without asking for explanation...

She clearly knows what she is doing by manipulating people into thinking Nero Cain and her are partners in the past.

[iraonavp]

Also, she did the same thing of quickhammering the day before lylo, but it was too chaotic and nobody questioned her.

We are waiting for Gear... He is V/LA on weekends.

[iraonavp]

Gear will be back tomorrow, since it will be Monday. He does say on his signature, you know...

I stopped listening to MariaR since it's just the same emotional flailing, it's impossible to read her on appeal to emotion like that I can see.

[iraonavp]

Well, even if I did listen you have nothing of reason to offer other than scum-aligned emotion about how senseless your actions were...

[iraonavp]

I think Gear has a good point that there is one less mislynch in 11 players.

However, it's still best idea to treat it like it's lylo just in case, because it could be a town-aligned roleblocker, or there could be other PRs to make it balanced.

We should massclaim then, I am just vanilla...

[iraonavp]

Yes.

But why? What if they are a doctor or BG or... something that can't determine scum or hasn't yet.

Would you believe someone claiming pr at 3 way?

3 way?

3 way means there are only three people left alive...

[iraonavp]

My reads are that Gamma Emerald, and one of Psyche or Gear are scum-aligned.

What changed?

Because MariaR did very scum-aligned things on day 3...

Before, I was reading her as town-aligned just because she sounded town-aligned. I really shouldn't have been so naive considering last game...

I remember thinking at times that I was bothered that she was defending Gamma Emerald for no reason but thought she was just mislead, now I understand it.

[iraonavp]

Hm...

Okay, if that is true we should not lynch MariaR today then, since if there is only one scum-aligned player it cannot be her.

[iraonavp]

Wait what, what do you mean?

This is the only post of BigYoshiFan, and before more people started voting Gamma Emerald.

So he isn't lying about that...

I'm not sure there would be that many PRs if there was only 1 scum-aligned player, since watcher and tracker are both roles with a similar function and quite strong. And I am reading him strongly as town-aligned from his play.

[iraonavp]

There is no way she could be a ninja, right? And I know I wasn't roleblocked, it would have just said "No Result".

Well, it could be as a counter to both of watching and tracking...

But it would have to have limited use, since light_ganski wasn't seen performing the kill on night 1.

[iraonavp]

There is no way she could be a ninja, right? And I know I wasn't roleblocked, it would have just said "No Result".

Well, it could be as a counter to both of watching and tracking...

But it would have to have limited use, since light_ganski was seen performing the kill on night 1.

Fixed...

[iraonavp]

Oh yeah, there is roleblocker too... So it's probably not that.

It could be JOAT with those abilities.

Either way, it seems like a weird setup with pinger...

In the end, I'm not sure.

Probably we shouldn't lynch MariaR today based on the result, although I still think she is scum-aligned and there are two or she was ninja.

[iraonavp]

BigYoshiFan, can you link to a game where you were scum-aligned from another site you mentioned you played at before?

I can't find any scum-aligned games that you played here...

[iraonavp]

Rber and Ninja making watcher/tracker useless and a rber for pinger...Seems fair.

Are you being sarcastic?

BigYoshiFan, can you link to a game where you were scum-aligned from another site you mentioned you played at before?

I can't find any scum-aligned games that you played here...

Actually, I've never played as scum before. I don't have THAT much experience offsite, but I wasn't new to the game itself.

Okay, I was just wondering how you played because you sound genuine like the last game, I'm not sure if you could replicate it and a bit paranoid...

[iraonavp]

Actually, there has to be two remaining scum-aligned players since gerryoat was blocked on night 2 and there was a kill as well. If there is only one scum-aligned player, they couldn't block any more.

Therefore, I still think we should lynch MariaR because she probably just didn't perform the kill on that night.

Of course, this is invalid if there is actually town-aligned roleblocker, but I doubt it at this point...

[iraonavp]

Too be honest, I feel the same way about you. XD

I know, it's always a problem that you can't 100% trust people in mafia... I always try to keep an open mind, and re-evaluate if I have a disagreement about who to lynch.

Don't worry though, I'm town-aligned!

[iraonavp]

Actually, there has to be two remaining scum-aligned players since gerryoat was blocked on night 2 and there was a kill as well. If there is only one scum-aligned player, they couldn't block any more.

Therefore, I still think we should lynch MariaR because she probably just didn't perform the kill on that night.

Of course, this is invalid if there is actually town-aligned roleblocker, but I doubt it at this point...

So you're saying... MariaR is the roleblocker and she didn't roleblock anyone?

Good point...

I think maybe she is town-aligned and actually this rash... The result clears her I think, barring very unlikely circumstances such as she is JOAT who only used roleblocker on night 2 and ninja on night 3.

Maybe it's just Psyche and Gear all this time.

[iraonavp]

Also, I feel dumb, how did I not realize the roleblock and kill on the same day? Who kept arguing there was only 1 scum left? XD

plenty of setups allow lone scum prs to kill and use their powers in the same night?

Are you sure?

I thought it was standard that you can't, and it's normal game.

[iraonavp]

vote maria

Who do you think is her partner?

Considering that he thought there were two, and only when Gear talked about it we considered it more, I think it's believable for BigYoshiFan not to think that MariaR is cleared from his result.

What can he gain from gambiting about this if MariaR is town-aligned? Doesn't seem like much, since we were going to lynch MariaR anyway.

I believe him...

[iraonavp]

hell look at rule 5

5. if a player has both a faction ability and a role ability that either both function during day phases or both function during night phases, that player may use both a faction ability and a role ability during the same phase.

Oh...

[iraonavp]

@Iraonavp, did my claim and information make you read MariaR as less scummy at all?

Yes, it's a partial clear so I don't think she's a good lynch despite my read...

If there are two scum-aligned players left, I think MariaR is one though, and the roleblocker performed the kill.

VOTE: Psyche

I don't believe Psyche's read on BigYoshiFan, he knows he will be lynched next if MariaR isn't. He seems like most likely partner to MariaR if there are two, too... I think he is trying to keep his options open to mislynch me by saying careful when BigYoshiFan calls me town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

I am town watcher, saw light_ganski targeting rask last night.

VOTE: light_ganski

A quick iso of ganski doesn't leave me with any good feels as to a partner, but my guess it would be someone on the Jake wagon. Probably Gamma or Yoshi.

I'll believe it for now, some part of me is thinking you two are partners bussing each other.
VOTE: light_ganski

Actually maybe it checks out? He thought Jaack was claiming tracker too, and was bussing light.

I agree, makes me think he is town-aligned even more...

[iraonavp]

Why Yoshi is not a tracker:
1. He confused watcher with tracker.

looks like a case of anchoring to me

What does anchoring mean?

[iraonavp]

damn man google it

So you are saying you believe him now because he was anchored to his own role?

I find that unbelievable because it's soft evidence compared to your previous opinion that he was gambiting.

[iraonavp]

@Iraonavp, did my claim and information make you read MariaR as less scummy at all?

Yes, it's a partial clear so I don't think she's a good lynch despite my read...

If there are two scum-aligned players left, I think MariaR is one though, and the roleblocker performed the kill.

VOTE: Psyche

I don't believe Psyche's read on BigYoshiFan, he knows he will be lynched next if MariaR isn't. He seems like most likely partner to MariaR if there are two, too... I think he is trying to keep his options open to mislynch me by saying careful when BigYoshiFan calls me town-aligned.

Okay, it seems like Jake from State Farm, Raskolnikov, and Gamma Emerald are scum-aligned...

VOTE: Jake from State Farm

Jake from State Farm has the largest wagon, so I am voting him!

ur reads r dirt

Okay, you're scum-aligned then.

[iraonavp]

Okay, Gear is scum-aligned then.

VOTE: Gear

It's mechanically extremely unlikely for MariaR to be scum-aligned unless she is JOAT with roleblocker and ninja on those specific nights... Rolestopper would give "no result" which BigYoshiFan specifically said it wasn't.

I thought MariaR was scum-aligned before, but I am not always right and hard evidence trumps it strongly.

And Gear was expecting Psyche to flip town-aligned, that's why he started pushing me yesterday... And now I think he is trying to take possible advantage if I immediately vote MariaR, like she was worried (but I wouldn't do it!). Also, in retrospect he was pretty clear confirmation biased to know it was only 2 scum-aligned players because it's a lot more obvious if you know the setup...

[iraonavp]

can you go into ecane?
you said you didnt understand the votes for maria so im wondering how you townread her for it

The vote looks like misguided town, 140 through 144 look super TvT to me and are a reason I am town reading Maria as well. Not sure that scum would be ballsy enough to vote 3 different people in their first 6 posts either. Do you think there's scum motivation there Rask?

I don't even remember what I was thinking because it was so long ago and I quickly dismissed it...

But this is the reason why I thought that probably, and Raskolnikov was thinking the same.

It doesn't matter anyway, it was obviously a mistake of who I replaced and Gear is trying to throw shade at me (and MariaR too) with anything!

[iraonavp]

Unvote now

No, I refuse.

MariaR is 99% confirmed as town-aligned, if she is magically ninja roleblocker I will accept the loss because I would never vote someone cleared like that anyway.

[iraonavp]

If you're town, there is no reason to hurry this.

Okay, you're scum-aligned then.

[iraonavp]

I know you are scum-aligned, and I am never unvoting!

What you are trying to convince me is literally 1% likely to be true that they would use actions on those specific nights. Ockham's Razor slices your throat as obvious mafia...

[iraonavp]

Here we can see Gear's plan of convincing me to misvote on tracker innocent, then it fails so he tries to mislynch me instead even though it's harder route.

[iraonavp]

Yeah, because now it is clear what is the right answer.

Now you are appealing to MariaR after trying to get me to vote her, which is what you are accusing me of only way worse and actually scum-aligned...

[iraonavp]

Here we can see Gear's plan of convincing me to misvote on tracker innocent, then it fails so he tries to mislynch me instead even though it's harder route.

Well not an innocent, but your scum so whatever

If you were town, you wouldn't feel the need to accelerate the day.

Gear can't believe this...

I voted Gear only because I was already 99% sure it was him, I don't care about day speed at all. Even if I did, how could it be indicative? Just facile nonsense...

It's just he knows MariaR will not hammer so he changed his priorities to mislynch me instead of her... It's such a weak reason and an excuse to switch reads.

[iraonavp]

Yeah, because now it is clear what is the right answer.

Now you are appealing to MariaR after trying to get me to vote her, which is what you are accusing me of only way worse and actually scum-aligned...

I am trying to figure out who is what, I do that by seeing how people react to things. You trying to suggest that is scummy is hilarious.

But you just accused me of doing the same thing!

Gear clearly is not reading me as scum-aligned for quick voting... It's just the moment I don't vote MariaR he has to duel me now.

[iraonavp]

I don't have a priority. That should be clear from my posts.

What?

[iraonavp]

Yeah, because now it is clear what is the right answer.

Not from where I am sitting, and it shouldn't be from where you are sitting either.

Yes it is...

It's

literally

two people, one of which is 99% cleared by tracker.

But you actually expected me to be stupid enough to quickvote the clear...

[iraonavp]

Unvote, so I can finish reading without the threat of a hammer.

No, I already said I will never unvote.

If I'm wrong, which I am confident I'm not, I would never have voted MariaR anyway.

You're just appealing to me again now because you know MariaR will vote you when she gets back...

[iraonavp]

I am not faking confidence!

That is just buzzwords, making a mistake of who I replaced is completely null-aligned and does not distance me from anything.

[iraonavp]

Oh yeah, there is roleblocker too... So it's probably not that.

It could be JOAT with those abilities.

Either way, it seems like a weird setup with pinger...

In the end, I'm not sure.

Probably we shouldn't lynch MariaR today based on the result, although I still think she is scum-aligned and there are two or she was ninja.

What?

[iraonavp]

Because then I didn't know there was one scum-aligned player left!

You are just desperate at this point to misrepresent everything I say...

[iraonavp]

I am not faking confidence!

That is just buzzwords, making a mistake of who I replaced is completely null-aligned and does not distance me from anything.

I'm not accusing you of mistaking who you replaced.

Quite the opposite.

So you are accusing me of lying about it on purpose?

Okay, that's just ridiculous... It was obviously a mistake and no reason to lie about it.

[iraonavp]

But you just accused me of doing the same thing

Where?

You said I had an open mind and just narrowed now, when you did the same thing (it's not scum-aligned on its own), only more abrupt and divorced from reality.

[iraonavp]

I am not faking confidence!

That is just buzzwords, making a mistake of who I replaced is completely null-aligned and does not distance me from anything.

I'm not accusing you of mistaking who you replaced.

Quite the opposite.

So you are accusing me of lying about it on purpose?

Okay, that's just ridiculous... It was obviously a mistake and no reason to lie about it.

I think it was calculated distancing.

But it doesn't even do anything as distancing...

Just a huge reach.

[iraonavp]

Maria, ira is acting as if tracks are clears, and that it is scummy for me to consider that you could be scum. He's doing this to buddy you and it also represents a change from his earlier open-minded play. He is scum.

Tracks are 99% clears, and it is scum-aligned to consider MariaR could be scum-aligned...

No town-aligned player could genuinely think that MariaR is JOAT with those specific abilities who acted on those specific nights, it's so unfeasible and fake humming.

Characterizing my play as open/closed-minded is a huge generalization and not accurate at all.

[iraonavp]

But you just accused me of doing the same thing

Where?

You said I had an open mind and just narrowed now, when you did the same thing (it's not scum-aligned on its own), only more abrupt and divorced from reality.

What are you referring to?

1215, and just now...

[iraonavp]

Tracks are 99% clears

Nope. With a flipped ninja, sure, but without one, no way.

scum-aligned to consider MariaR could be scum-aligned...

Nope.

No town-aligned player could genuinely think that MariaR is JOAT with those specific abilities who acted on those specific nights, it's so unfeasible and fake humming.

Why? What makes it impossible?

There's effectively flipped roleblocker, it is 99%...

It's impossible because even if the random conspiracy is true (1%), why would you use roleblocker before ninja, or a mystery other ability before both?

When I was considering the possibilities yesterday I all but dismissed that because it's a conspiracy... The JOAT just happens to have both the roleblock and ninja effective on the single nights they are used? Not believable at all.

You were just trying to foster paranoia of MariaR because I suspected her before, but I'm not that dumb.

[iraonavp]

But you just accused me of doing the same thing

Where?

You said I had an open mind and just narrowed now, when you did the same thing (it's not scum-aligned on its own), only more abrupt and divorced from reality.

What are you referring to?

1215, and just now...

Swing and a miss.
I was saying that before you were acting one way, and your not acting the same way now.
Not that you were scummy for thinking about the game.
Get lynched.

Okay, you're scum-aligned then.

You changed the argument to "thinking about the game" when talking about yourself when it's functionally identical... I'm sure MariaR can see through it, just flailing.

[iraonavp]

I didn't expect to win after BigYoshiFan's claim, but it seems like the town all lynched each other.

[iraonavp]

I thought Ira had a much clearer path to victory killing Maria and leaving Yoshi alive. It seemed like Yoshi would have never voted Ira, and Maria was more of a wild card, especially after the previous day.

I thought about it, but I wasn't confident that he would continue to trust me... Instead I decided to leave MariaR alive so I had the option to use that argument to make myself seem town-aligned.