Mini 1836: Space Mafia (Game Over)

TwoFace · Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:00 am

Do i rvs or no?

heads yes
tails no

heads

vote: toto

such a mischevious little puppy

TwoFace · Post Post #9 (isolation #1) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:05 am

tails means no rvs, which implies that is a serious vote so is that a serious vote?

TwoFace · Post Post #13 (isolation #2) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:27 am

In post 11, grapes wrote:
In post 9, TwoFace wrote:tails means no rvs, which implies that is a serious vote so is that a serious vote?
VOTE: TwoFace

Why are you asking a question you already know the answer to?

I never want to assume anything. Plus I like asking questions.

TwoFace · Post Post #14 (isolation #3) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:27 am

In post 10, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 9, TwoFace wrote:tails means no rvs, which implies that is a serious vote so is that a serious vote?
You catch on quick.

so why is your vote serious?

TwoFace · Post Post #16 (isolation #4) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:40 am

well it wasn't, but even if it was that would make you want to seriously vote me?

if you are town

TwoFace · Post Post #19 (isolation #5) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:47 am

I am not taking anything too seriously actually, but he said it was serious so I am going to take it serious. My statement holds true. If he is town, he deserves a facepalm for that vote.

TwoFace · Post Post #23 (isolation #6) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:57 am

In post 20, Toto wrote:Are we out of RVS already?

some would probably say yes, some would say no.

does it matter?

TwoFace · Post Post #29 (isolation #7) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:13 am

In post 24, Toto wrote:I guess it did not matter that much. Except now it kind of does since It seems I'm at L-2. I was asking since I did not want to keep my vote on a non-serious target if we were being serious.

UNVOTE:

takes 7 to lynch. you have 3 votes on you

TwoFace · Post Post #32 (isolation #8) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:18 am

In post 25, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 16, TwoFace wrote:well it wasn't, but even if it was that would make you want to seriously vote me?

if you are town
I would seriously vote you for far less reasons.

so you are scum or a bad player. noted so I can basically ignore anything you say going forward.

do I vote?

damn tails. you get lucky for now.

do i ignore?

heads. ok I can ignore you for the remainder of the game.

TwoFace · Post Post #34 (isolation #9) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:29 am

why would I be untouchable?

TwoFace · Post Post #36 (isolation #10) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:32 am

ha ha ok that made me laugh a little

TwoFace · Post Post #37 (isolation #11) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:42 am

In post 30, grapes wrote:So what's a "serious target" then?

SO... why are you asking a question you should already know the answer to?

TwoFace · Post Post #44 (isolation #12) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:24 am

In post 40, grapes wrote:
In post 37, TwoFace wrote:
In post 30, grapes wrote:So what's a "serious target" then?
SO... why are you asking a question you should already know the answer to?
Oh Twoface.

why didn't you answer me?

do i vote?

damn, tails.

TwoFace · Post Post #48 (isolation #13) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:27 am

In post 45, MariaR wrote:
In post 44, TwoFace wrote:
In post 40, grapes wrote:
In post 37, TwoFace wrote:
In post 30, grapes wrote:So what's a "serious target" then?
SO... why are you asking a question you should already know the answer to?
Oh Twoface.
why didn't you answer me?

do i vote?

damn, tails.

VOTE: Twoface

The only thing twofaced about you is your alignment

that doesn't even make any sense

TwoFace · Post Post #50 (isolation #14) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:29 am

In post 46, grapes wrote:Because it was just a misunderstanding - hopefully now toto realizes what I was trying to ask him.

what you are trying to ask him actually doesn't make any sense

TwoFace · Post Post #61 (isolation #15) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:52 am

That made me lol

P.edit that makes sense I guess but it imo was a pointless question.

TwoFace · Post Post #76 (isolation #16) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:23 am

In post 71, Dunnstral wrote:Why do you need a page 3 vote count to decide your vote

good question.

it's not like it is difficult to figure out who has how many votes. Feels like posturing to me

TwoFace · Post Post #77 (isolation #17) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:24 am

i'm going to learn hard town on toto right now.

TwoFace · Post Post #82 (isolation #18) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:41 am

In post 78, Naomi-Tan wrote:Well I normally like to do this post before the game gets rolling but we appear to already be rolling. So I'll do it here;

Okay.. so.. Hi everyone I'm naomi. for those who have played with me before you'll sorta know whats coming so you can skip this; for others. Hi, I'm kinda a strange town player. As both Red and Blue I'm afraid of dying and this influences my posts making them sometimes be more scummy. to counter act this I tend to play very open handed and honestly (unless i'm using PR information or trying to trap scum in which case I come clean as soon as I have the chance) I also like to make read lists every now and then and comment often during the day (staying active) not all my posts will have good content but .. Thats more me being a not strong player :3 This kinda Post I tend to do at the front of my games so.. count this post as an ENTIRE post of NAI but I feel that its important to say so town don't go out there way to lynch me for my normal town play style. If you guys wish you may review my entire history on my wiki page which I update when games close out. Finally I also do LAMIST stuff as I don't wanna die, so if I go around doing that. its normal :3 so with all this said I'm now ready to start properly

Tldr

TwoFace · Post Post #84 (isolation #19) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:49 am

Thanks. I figured it was something useless like that.

TwoFace · Post Post #91 (isolation #20) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:10 am

ugh, naomi are you always this annoying?

TwoFace · Post Post #122 (isolation #21) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:09 am

Vote Dunn or no?

Heads

vote: Dunn

TwoFace · Post Post #137 (isolation #22) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:28 am

In post 127, grapes wrote:
In post 77, TwoFace wrote:i'm going to learn hard town on toto right now.
Why?

@grapes - because he's painfully obvious town. His actions look genuine to me. His response that he was accused of being coached look genuine.

@dunn - mainly for post 114 (but tbh none of your posts make me get a town vibe). No way town makes that post. It's obvious he was sharing his thoughts and even VI's (which I didn't get the impression he was) and n00bs (which he probably is) are perfectly capable of doing. He's an easy target for scum to go after. Then I saw the very next post and that screams scum. Who freaking cares if massive dropped an Rvs vote and didn't comment on anything else. It's not AI at all. You then accuse him of ignoring the game which you don't even know it's true(which he later confirms isn't).

It's basically seems like you are trying too hard and being very manipulative

TwoFace · Post Post #139 (isolation #23) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:50 am

In post 135, grapes wrote:Why I'm voting you, for one.

You criticize others and actually suggest he should ask you why you're voting him?

If you're town you lost any right to criticize anyone if you're giving bad advice.

@ Toto. Play you're game. Whatever that is. If you aren't sure what to do well I can't help you there but playing a non newbie game probably wasn't the best idea.

TwoFace · Post Post #141 (isolation #24) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:58 am

I think it's too early in the day phase to wonder about that.

TwoFace · Post Post #144 (isolation #25) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:14 pm

Part of me just wants to afk day 1

TwoFace · Post Post #149 (isolation #26) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:47 pm

My first couple of games was a completely different experience than that lol.

@toto. Outside this site how many games have you played? Where else have you played? If this is your first site, why did you decide to play here.

TwoFace · Post Post #180 (isolation #27) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:24 am

In post 166, itlepip wrote:Maria why is asking for reads such a problem?

You aren't seriously asking this question are you?

TwoFace · Post Post #184 (isolation #28) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:40 am

In post 181, Xkfyu wrote:NOW, however, I am, and my vote will remain on you.

ok?

why did you feel the need to make that statement? it served no purpose really.

TwoFace · Post Post #187 (isolation #29) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:44 am

well if you are town you aren't a very good player if you would think or say that.

TwoFace · Post Post #188 (isolation #30) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:45 am

damn, I forgot you are the person I said I was going to igore because you already proved if you are town you are a bad player..

back to ignoring you

TwoFace · Post Post #197 (isolation #31) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:36 am

In post 196, Naomi-Tan wrote:I think if you had a green look on this you'd be asking; 'Hey! why you now finding me redish? what changed'

well that's probably what you would do but that isn't what I would do and it certainly isn; what I think a good player would do. Good players know they town, they know other players calling them scum are either scum themselves or just wrong. Given that this particular player has already shown signs of poor judgement, I can (and will) basically ignore anything he has to say especially regarding me.

The biggest mistake people do is get wrapped up in what others think of them. That's a waste of time and really stupid

TwoFace · Post Post #200 (isolation #32) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:54 am

In post 198, massive wrote:Hey Naomi, I'm prolly gonna vote you but uh what made townies go from Blue (78) to Green (above)?

why did that color thing matter?

TwoFace · Post Post #204 (isolation #33) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:05 am

but by looking into it, it would mean I would have to care why people are voting me and I don't care why people are voting me. There are other people who can question his reasonings. Everytime I have cared about it and questioned people I get called defensive and flailing and i get lynched. That's why I stopped caring cause if I'm going to get lynched it's going to happen no matter what I do so I decide to not waste my time and energy trying to argue with people voting me.

If he thinks I am scum, ok who cares, I think he is a bad player and he has proven he is so I definitely don't care what he thinks.

TwoFace · Post Post #206 (isolation #34) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:15 am

because I don't care if I get lynched i'm somehow a bad player? yeah F U

TwoFace · Post Post #209 (isolation #35) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:28 am

Going to step away for a bit.

TwoFace · Post Post #218 (isolation #36) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:34 am

having played on a site where people try to use role pm stuff to lynch people, i'm not going to even entertain the idea of that here. The color doesn't matter, it's a dumb reason to vote somebody also

have something non role pm related, use that. the fact she mixed blue or green is meh

TwoFace · Post Post #261 (isolation #37) » Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:12 am

I mean I could see how somebody could think your post was a chainsaw but I don't think that was the intent. What pip did was scummy and warranted votes.

TwoFace · Post Post #349 (isolation #38) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:25 am

1. You shouldn't ever care why somebody wants you dead.
2. Those questions aren't useless at all. not to me anyway. Knowing their experience helps me read their actions better. Obviously I'm assuming they wouldn't lie when responding

TwoFace · Post Post #351 (isolation #39) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:06 am

In post 162, Toto wrote:
In post 149, TwoFace wrote: @toto. Outside this site how many games have you played? Where else have you played? If this is your first site, why did you decide to play here.
I played a live game with friends about two weeks ago for the first time, then I looked on Google and found epicmafia, played one game there which seemed too confusing (too many weird roles), and then found this site and like very much it so far!

Nos. you don't think this answer helps you better figure out if toto's actions make sense? If the things he's saying and doing look like they come from a true newbie or not? If you say no, I call bullshit

TwoFace · Post Post #358 (isolation #40) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:33 am

In post 355, Nosferatu wrote:
In post 349, TwoFace wrote:1. You shouldn't ever care why somebody wants you dead.
Are you aware that scum's goal in the game known as mafia, is to mislynch town during the day? Given this, it's pretty likely that if you're being lynched, scum is involved, and it's your duty as town to at least find out the arguments to see if they're legit in any way. Cause if they're not, and you say so, not only do you have a chance of someone else realizing it too, and thereby not dying, you also have a good chance of catching scum.

Why shouldn't you care if someone wants to lynch you? The sentiment makes zero sense.

No it's not my job to find out who's lying about me. It's the other townies job. I can't remember if it was this game or not where I explained it so I will again. In my experience, especially with me in particular when I try to disprove arguments against me people, myself included are often ignored, called defensive or dismissive and any counter attacks are disregarded as omgus. So no a townie shouldn't worry about the lies that are being said about them. A townie should just play to their win condition which is to find and lynch scum.

TwoFace · Post Post #359 (isolation #41) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:37 am

And funny I just searched the word defensive in your posts and I've found posts where you accused a townie of being defensive for defending himself against your accusations. That only took like 1 minute. So you can't even deny I'm right

TwoFace · Post Post #361 (isolation #42) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:10 am

Not posts this game. Cmon bro you aren't that dumb

TwoFace · Post Post #364 (isolation #43) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:14 am

So far the only one that's embarrassing is you if you're town and actually believe your own posts.

TwoFace · Post Post #372 (isolation #44) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:42 am

It's not relevant yet you just posted a shit ton of quotes. How embarrassing for you.

TwoFace · Post Post #373 (isolation #45) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:44 am

But that's exactly why I don't engage with people who think I'm scum and why others shouldn't either. It becomes an opinion war that the 2 going back are never swayed and nobody else really pays attention to.

TwoFace · Post Post #378 (isolation #46) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:06 am

@zach do you find that is actually productive though? Do people actually listen to you and lynch the people lying about you? Based on my experience that almost never happens. The person doing the arguing either gets lynched or written off as a Vi and ignored the rest of the game.

TwoFace · Post Post #407 (isolation #47) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:08 am

Not sure why you're apologizing to me.

TwoFace · Post Post #408 (isolation #48) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:25 am

Btw I'm not sure you're reading my posts closely or not but I actually haven't attempted to figure out if your play strikes me as a true newbie or not. I think you just misunderstood the discussion nos and I had about the usefulness of my questions to you.

TwoFace · Post Post #437 (isolation #49) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:11 am

In post 433, massive wrote:
In post 431, gerryoat wrote:How am I not gonna be any help for town? So you'd rather lynch someone that will get no clues as to who is town or maf rather than lynching a potentially scummy person? That doesn't seem like a town mindset.
Yes. If you are town, you will be a liability for the rest of the town if we let you live to endgame. "Town mindset" isn't JUST about finding scum, it's also about making sure you can convince others to lynch them once you find them, and so far you're not doing any of either.

I'll actually agree with this. From what I can tell Gerry is more often a liability to town instead of helpful. The vote on you this game is actually a good example. There was no good reason for it at all.

TwoFace · Post Post #442 (isolation #50) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:18 am

I don't get it

TwoFace · Post Post #454 (isolation #51) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:39 am

In post 448, grapes wrote:Classic "why me" scumpost.

i really hope you aren't serious

TwoFace · Post Post #457 (isolation #52) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:40 am

In post 451, gerryoat wrote:Also, the vote on him was an obvious joke. But, he started outing bad reasons so now it's a real vote

Obvious? Not quite. It didn't even look like a subtle joke.

TwoFace · Post Post #459 (isolation #53) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:42 am

In post 456, grapes wrote:
In post 454, TwoFace wrote:
In post 448, grapes wrote:Classic "why me" scumpost.
i really hope you aren't serious
I am.

He asked me why I'm reading him differently to someone with 2 posts. Straight up scumplaining.

It's a valid question. One town would also ask if in the situation. This classic why me was disproven on epic mafia like 6 years ago. It's certainly been disproven on this site as well.

TwoFace · Post Post #478 (isolation #54) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:19 pm

In post 460, gerryoat wrote:
In post 457, TwoFace wrote:
In post 451, gerryoat wrote:Also, the vote on him was an obvious joke. But, he started outing bad reasons so now it's a real vote
Obvious? Not quite. It didn't even look like a subtle joke.
hey buddy, you said from what you've seen im a liability to town. explain that read and where it came from. we have never played together.

It's called looking at your games. Lynched as a town pr in one and can't talk about the other.

Doesn't make me feel good about your ability to help town.

TwoFace · Post Post #479 (isolation #55) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:28 pm

In post 462, grapes wrote:Okay why are you arguing with about one detail that you don't agree with about why dunn's scum when
1) Your vote's there
2) I've got scattered additional reasons why he's a scumlord this game on the very last page and even more in my iso

@twoface

We've been arguing? Arguing about Dunn specifically? Both of those are news to me. I didn't really think yuuand inwere even having a discussion let alone an argument.

TwoFace · Post Post #481 (isolation #56) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:31 pm

In post 466, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 465, grapes wrote:
In post 463, Naomi-Tan wrote:Wait you wasn't talking about me there?
Correct.
My mind is blown..

Mine too. I guess people need to quote posts or something cause given order of posts I was sure he was talking about you.

Doesn't matter who he was talking about those. He's fundamentally wrong thinking that "why me" is a classic scum reaction.

TwoFace · Post Post #483 (isolation #57) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:37 pm

Can you link me to the post? Cause I literally have no idea what you're talking about

TwoFace · Post Post #487 (isolation #58) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:47 pm

In post 484, grapes wrote:I'm talking about what we've been tlaking about the last page now holy banana muffins.

In post 445, Dunnstral wrote:Actually, explain to me how you can be on my case for thinking Zach is scum and you're town over the course of the game, when Simple Plan has 2 posts and only looked at Naomi
this
It's also bad because he's trying to shade asp but not really committing to a read.

I'm wasn't referencing a specific post when I responded to you though.

I don't even know who Dunn was talking to during that post. I'm not reading his posts.

Doesn't matter who he was taking to, doesn't matter if I think he's scum. That post isn't AI and you're either scum or a very naive player if you think "why me" posts are AI, especially scum AI.

TwoFace · Post Post #496 (isolation #59) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:00 am

How can I be licking my chops for an easy mislynch when I'm not even voting you? I'm not even thinking about voting you. I called you a bad player because based on your town games, you have proven you are. Based on this game of you are town, again you have proven you are. So go ahead and get me "rekt". You'll still be a shitty player.

TwoFace · Post Post #497 (isolation #60) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:06 am

Btw if you are a town tracker and you get lynched on day 2, yeah that's you're fucking fault. There's that other thing also but can't discuss cause ongoing.

TwoFace · Post Post #499 (isolation #61) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:54 am

Ok sometime today I need to read this game though. I'm completely lost right now

TwoFace · Post Post #503 (isolation #62) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 3:58 am

so attempting to catch up, basically treat me like a replacement because I really haven't paid much attention.

based on the last VCs, Naomi and Massive had the most votes. Can the people voting these people point me to your reasons so i can attempt to see if I agree or disagree with them and also do some fact checking?

Thanks

TwoFace · Post Post #505 (isolation #63) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:04 am

because I have been busy so I basically only read and respond to what is on the page that i happen to be reading when I check the thread. I want to kind of at least stay abreast of what's going on until i can get the proper time to re-read. End of the month is always a bad time for me, so are weekends so yeah I'm behind

TwoFace · Post Post #506 (isolation #64) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:04 am

so can you tell me who you are voting for and why instead of giving me a shit about my number of posts.

TwoFace · Post Post #508 (isolation #65) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:10 am

I was but I realize I can't figure out the game while ignoring people.

TwoFace · Post Post #511 (isolation #66) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:20 am

Thank you, i will read that and the thread at lunch

TwoFace · Post Post #512 (isolation #67) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:28 am

Ok so it kind of looks like a policy lynch or at least not a very good reason to vote. She's doing the things she said she would do and you worry that she's town. That doesn't make me like your vote at all on her.

Do you have anything else? Because if seriously that's your only reasons you should probably be looking elsewhere.

TwoFace · Post Post #514 (isolation #68) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:56 am

Since waiting for everyone will take too long and I have about a half hour before I go on a walk. Correct me if I am wrong but these are basically the reasons why people are voting for whoever they are and my thoughts of them (note just my thoughts if the reason is good enough to warrant a vote, no actual fact checking to see if the person is actually doing whatever it is they are accused of)

Jean wagon

MASSIVE - Voted for the color thing/role pm. Later added something about her not OMGUSing him back when she gave her list reads and basically not understanding how she came to some of her conclusions. -

Id say both of these reasons are kind of weak. The part that massive mentions about her reads would have been nice if he attempted to ask her to explain or if he tried to interact with her or something so I don't think massive has provided a good enough list of reasons for his vote.

XY -

Already covered

Simple - thinks the color thing is a scum slip and also quotes a bunch of her quotes that don't really look scummy to me and asks for more votes -

Both of these are terrible reasons, they are also his only game related content. He also needs to post more or replace out

grapes - As far as I can tell votes Naomi because of the posts that Simple quoted and provides no other reasons.

That's the worst sheep vote I have ever seen. It's a terrible vote even if it wasn't a sheep vote.

My gut says naomi wagon is a bad wagon mainly because there isn't a single good reason for any of the votes on her. The closest is the "scum slip" but even that is kind of meh

Massive wagon

Nos - Vote on massive was from way back on page 1.

I don't consider this to be a serious vote on massive. He only mentions massive 3 times and it's the 3rd time that gives me pause. 356 is actually I could see coming from scum. he's basically considering both of the largest wagons.

Zach - Votes massive for using the role pm color thing.

I actually like this vote, it may not be a good reason to lynch massive for it but I can see myself doing the same thing.

Gerry - technically isn't voting him anymore but voted him for a dumb reason but later claims it was an obvious joke -

bad reason to vote. pretty much all of the reasons he has voted have been for terrible reasons. Kind of proves my point that if he is town, he's not useful to us.

to me it seems like scum is content with the current state of the game. Naomi to me looks like a sacrificial lamb. The people on the Naomi wagon I can't decide if scum is the one with the bad reasons (simple) or the one who sheeped it (grapes)

not on the Naomi wagon I think Nos is a good candidate for scum.

So do i vote Nos?

yeah, got heads.

vote: nos

OK got to run for now.

TwoFace · Post Post #516 (isolation #69) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:05 am

Yeah sorry meant Naomi.

TwoFace · Post Post #517 (isolation #70) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:52 am

@naomi. Help me understand something. Why are you so concerned with Nos's town reads? Why did it matter to you if he specifically did or didn't have any?

After reading Nos's posts while I wish he'd post more. I actually can't really find anything that screams omg scum. The fact he went to quote posts from another game while a waste of time, feels kind of townish.

Umvote?

Heads

unvote

TwoFace · Post Post #518 (isolation #71) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:55 am

The game has been open for 6 days and Simple only has 2 posts and they weren't even good. Why are people ok with this?

TwoFace · Post Post #520 (isolation #72) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:10 am

In post 519, massive wrote:don't you think you ought to maybe give one for your own?

uh... I'm not voting anyone atm. I just voted and shortly thereafter unvoted and both of those my reasons were made clear in the posts.

When are you going to drop your vote for the color thing?

TwoFace · Post Post #522 (isolation #73) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:16 am

ok so assume you're right and she's scum. You have any thoughts on who she could be scum with?

TwoFace · Post Post #525 (isolation #74) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:49 am

meh, I don't know how you can tell if that's town zach or scum zach. I think the thing that made me lean town on him was when he questioned Naomi as to why she was town reading him as green, when he admits he wasn't even doing anything to warrant that read. I don't see why scum would go out of their way to question why somebody was town reading them. They would take it and run more often than not in my opinion.

TwoFace · Post Post #527 (isolation #75) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:50 am

In post 524, itlepip wrote:btw two face if you are actually flipping coins for this stuff I will make sure you don't endgame.

1. btw to me implies you were saying something else first and you forgot to add this. You didn't post anything else though so why just post that and nothing else?

2. why do you assume you will be alive at end game? weird

3. ok?

TwoFace · Post Post #529 (isolation #76) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:52 am

In post 528, Dunnstral wrote:I quoted another game where Zach was scum and got ignored

as you should be for trying to use meta

TwoFace · Post Post #535 (isolation #77) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:22 am

In post 534, itlepip wrote:Also TwoFace just fricken stop with the gimmick alright.

tails = no

sorry

TwoFace · Post Post #536 (isolation #78) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:26 am

why so serious itlepip? i mean you don't want to have fun playing this game that's on you, but why would you want to run somebody else's fun?

TwoFace · Post Post #541 (isolation #79) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:30 am

In post 537, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Twoface
I don't like the Naomi wagon and if I have to make a counter wagon why not it be on a liability lynch

and why am I a liability exactly?

TwoFace · Post Post #549 (isolation #80) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:38 am

why do you think no town reads is suspect? I often have trouble developing town reads so to me not having town reads is normal, especially day 1.

Also not everyone plays like you do or how you expect them to. Just cause a player doesn't verbalize his town reads doesn't mean he doesn't have any. I am actually of the believe that NOBODy should share their town reads. But that's just me.

I think my biggest issue was the fact that you singled him out and nobody else. I would think that if you actually cared about it you would apply the same standard to everyone.

TwoFace · Post Post #550 (isolation #81) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:41 am

@ maria why does my coin flip bother you so much? Why do you now bring it up right after itlepip did? That coincidence of that very thing is strange.

I don't see how my coin flip would be a liability at end game. That's just naive/stupid thinking.

TwoFace · Post Post #554 (isolation #82) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:44 am

I'm also wondering why maria would rather policy lynch me rather than lynch her top scum read.

TwoFace · Post Post #556 (isolation #83) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:46 am

In post 553, Naomi-Tan wrote:I think my follow up post sorta covered that twoface.. I did back off after a few back and forth posts after it looked like he really believed it but I still find that style weird..

but why single him out and nobody else?

TwoFace · Post Post #563 (isolation #84) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:50 am

In post 558, MariaR wrote:Pedit 2: I have no scumreads.

this is the most troubling post of the entire game.

TwoFace · Post Post #570 (isolation #85) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:55 am

i don't think you know how this game is supposed to be played. Just because you don't have a solid scum read, doesn't mean you aren't allowed to vote people you are suspicious of.

you have decided to policy lynch me because of a reason that 1. isn't even your own and 2. isn't even accurate.

You and itlepip don't understand how my coin flip works obviously or else you wouldn't make up this nonsense about being a liability.

TwoFace · Post Post #571 (isolation #86) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:55 am

^ directed at maria

TwoFace · Post Post #578 (isolation #87) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:58 am

In post 573, MariaR wrote:
In post 569, Dunnstral wrote:So you won't give your thoughts on Maria. Noted.

MariaR wrote:
In post 567, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 564, MariaR wrote:
In post 560, Zachstralkita wrote:You decide your lynches based on how easy they are?
If they're near the same value in terms of scumminess yes I do.
I thought twoface was a liability lynch
You thought right.
So why are you changing your story and saying you scumread him?
Where did I say I sr him?

please stop playing dumb.

by saying that you decide lynched based on how easy they are when they are near the same value in terms of scumminess is you saying you scum read me and zach.

you can try and play it off by saying you don't have either of us as a solid scum read, you did basically admit to finding each of us scummy on some level which in the real world means they are your scum reads.

You can deny it all you want, but those are the facts little girl

TwoFace · Post Post #580 (isolation #88) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:00 am

In post 575, MariaR wrote:
In post 570, TwoFace wrote:i don't think you know how this game is supposed to be played. Just because you don't have a solid scum read, doesn't mean you aren't allowed to vote people you are suspicious of.

you have decided to policy lynch me because of a reason that 1. isn't even your own and 2. isn't even accurate.

You and itlepip don't understand how my coin flip works obviously or else you wouldn't make up this nonsense about being a liability.
Whenever I don't vote I get yelled at for holding my vote whenever I do vote I'm asked to explain it 100% of the time and if I don't want to I get sr for it it's quite tiresome

sounds like you worry to much about the opinion of others. You would be much happier person if you start playing for yourself instead of worrying about how people perceive your actions.

TwoFace · Post Post #582 (isolation #89) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:01 am

In post 579, Dunnstral wrote:That implies that you're scumreading him.

not in her mind. She basically said that she isn't scum reading anyone enough to lynch them. She doesn't think that finding people scummy is the same thing as scum reading them. get with it man...

(if it wasn't obvious there was heavy sarcasm in that post and the eye roll and face palm are directed at maria's ideas of what is and isn't a scum read)

TwoFace · Post Post #585 (isolation #90) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:02 am

naomi, you are an enigma to me

TwoFace · Post Post #586 (isolation #91) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:03 am

In post 584, MariaR wrote:If you want to vote me go ahead you won't get far.

why do you promote fear mongering

TwoFace · Post Post #587 (isolation #92) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:04 am

please explain exactly how am I a liability

TwoFace · Post Post #598 (isolation #93) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:18 am

In post 592, MariaR wrote:
In post 587, TwoFace wrote:please explain exactly how am I a liability
I think with your gimmick and your strong disagreements with others you will 100% be lynched at some point of this game yes that is a bold statement.
I do not townread you so I am okay with getting rid of you early on in the game instead of having you at lylo
Simple.

1. my gimmick shouldn't even be a factor into deciding if I should be lynched or not, because even though I flip a coin to decide if I am voting or not, i still provide reasons for my actions on why i am contemplating voting or unvoting them. So my gimmick isn't a liability.

2. What strong disagreements exactly?

2A. This is a game where people are often going to agree and disagree. Like for example you strongly disagree with anyone who wants to lynch Naomi. I'd say right now that you have the strongest disagreement in the game so if we used your own logic people should be lynching you because you strongly disagree with people

3. Why would having ne at lylo be an issue? I have shown that i am able to use logic and reason when I have the proper time.

your reasons for wanting me lynched are terrible. if you are town you should be ashamed of yourself.

TwoFace · Post Post #599 (isolation #94) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:19 am

In post 594, MariaR wrote:I think a lot of the times I try to trick others into thinking I'm confident in myself to show I'm not weak.

again, I think you would be a much happier player if you stop worrying about what others think of you

TwoFace · Post Post #600 (isolation #95) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:20 am

In post 597, MariaR wrote:I know what my issue is and I'll try to fix it from here on out.

so you'll only play newbie games from now on? good idea.

TwoFace · Post Post #603 (isolation #96) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:25 am

it was a joke, lighten up please. it's a game let's just have fun

my coin flip decides if i want to vote or unvote somebody. I don't decide that somebody randomly, I use my own reads. So I am no more of a a liability at lylo than any other player. if anything the coin flip could delay my voting. If I am alive at Lylo I will do my due dilligence like I do in every lylo I have ever been in.

Anyone who is worried about my coin flip is either scum trying for an easy mislynch or [redacted]

TwoFace · Post Post #609 (isolation #97) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:34 am

I actually think I have covered both of these already, well maybe not so much my read on naomi but my read of the people voting her.

Zach - I have as a slight town read for reasons already explained. you can go back and find them

naomi - I have a slight scum read on actually, but I don't like any of the reasons given for voting her. The only one that holds any water is the role pm color thing but I have to disregard that because even if massive is true, that feels like cheating and i'd rather lynch people based off their play. that being said, I still need to read her iso completely i don't like how she singled Nos for not having town reads but didn't question anyone else, like me for example. I have had more posts than nos yet she hasn't tried to interact with me until after I started my catching up. That kind of weirds me out.

I would REALLY like to know why you town read her though. You seem to be hard defending her and i can't remember seeing why other than meta which i ignored completely. so can you explain why naomi is town in THIS game? Thanks

TwoFace · Post Post #610 (isolation #98) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:34 am

In post 607, MariaR wrote:I'm unsure because I haven't seen a town game from you Zach but you're playing like your scum game
Me just holding my vote doesn't seem like a good idea to me atm and I want to do something with it so I am.

why do you use meta so much? meta is terrible and can be manipulated

TwoFace · Post Post #617 (isolation #99) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:57 am

In post 614, MariaR wrote:Gerry's my bestfriend he's not a liability and if you think he is you're prob not gonna change my mind on it due to bias

just cause he is your friend doesn't mean he is exempt from being scum read. You shouldn't give your friends a d1 pass just cause they are your friends

TwoFace · Post Post #618 (isolation #100) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:01 am

Btw Gerry is a liability and you of all people should know that.

TwoFace · Post Post #621 (isolation #101) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:08 am

In post 619, MariaR wrote:
In post 617, TwoFace wrote:
In post 614, MariaR wrote:Gerry's my bestfriend he's not a liability and if you think he is you're prob not gonna change my mind on it due to bias
just cause he is your friend doesn't mean he is exempt from being scum read. You shouldn't give your friends a d1 pass just cause they are your friends
I thought he was asking if Gerry was a liability he does nothing on day 1 legit always but he starts trying on day 2

he would be better off not trying d2 on this site. That's when things seem to go downhill for him

But see I have a problem with that. I think going forward you either need to treat him like every other player d1 or stop playing with each other.

TwoFace · Post Post #625 (isolation #102) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:15 am

Gerry and Maria basically will never really go after each other cause they are friends. It's why they probably should y be allowed to play together but whatever. It's not up to me.

I'd like to know why you're giving him a weekend pass. What's he done to deserve it?

TwoFace · Post Post #637 (isolation #103) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:46 am

In post 632, itlepip wrote:Twoface how the hell are you TRing zach?

How the hell can you be asking me that when I've already explained it.

TwoFace · Post Post #638 (isolation #104) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:49 am

Itlepip. Why is zach scum? I didn't see any reasons from you around your naked vote. It's helpful if you kind of explain yourself when voting. We aren't mind readers.

TwoFace · Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:54 am

I'll try and read that later tonight or tomorrow. But I'm confused. What gimmick is zach doing. I don't see any gimmicks

TwoFace · Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:37 am

In post 644, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 642, Zachstralkita wrote:LOL dunn gimmick thing
most people say im a gimmick account when they play with me for the first time..

I could see that. It's that 2012 date. That implies experience. Your play imo doesn't match. Not saying your play is bad but I'd expect something more like PZ or another more experienced player

TwoFace · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:24 pm

In post 647, gerryoat wrote:
In post 625, TwoFace wrote:Gerry and Maria basically will never really go after each other cause they are friends. It's why they probably should y be allowed to play together but whatever. It's not up to me.

I'd like to know why you're giving him a weekend pass. What's he done to deserve it?

dude we literally lynched each other in the game YOU SAID YOU READ. so this proves your read was bullshit. please more votes on this moron

Quote me where I actually said I said I actually read the game? It takes literally 2 seconds to see the flip results which show you as a town PR got LYNCHED which hurts town. I'm pretty sure you werent lynched for being useful. A town pr getting lynched day 2 is confirmation you weren't useful at all.

P.s. Please don't resort to name calling. Calling a person useless or a bad player is ok, moron or any other offensive name isn't.

TwoFace · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:25 pm

In post 648, gerryoat wrote:Pretty sure i'm a much better player at mafia than you. i may be new to forum maf, but i bet i'm still better than you'll ever be.

I like you have a sense of humor.

TwoFace · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:28 pm

In post 654, gerryoat wrote:So I being lynched as a PR makes me a bad player? Yeah, ok lol.

Absolutely. It's no laughing matter

TwoFace · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:36 pm

Look if you don't like my opinion of you, why waste time arguing with me about it. My opinion isn't going to change and it's an opinion I hold regardless of my alignment. Like going forward I'll basically going to avoid playing with you. It's not even for the getting lynched as a pr that's the reason. It's something else.

TwoFace · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:40 pm

In post 656, gerryoat wrote:Horrible logic. Also, you said you read the other game I completed when I was mafia and I wasn't even lynched and was TR by basically everyone. How does that meta say about how I'm playing now? You're saying I'm a liability, but it was proven to you as mafia I am a threat. Your reason for wanting to lynch me, doesn't make sense at all

Yes I did see you had a good game as mafia. That's kind of the point behind saying "if you're town". I don't care if you hate my logic. That's your opinion and it's not my job to try and change it, nor do I care about it. (Maybe you should get the hint here)

TwoFace · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:42 pm

Btw. I have never said I wanted to lynch you. I have never voted you or even said I wanted to vote you.

I pointed that out once before and doing it again.

Why do you think I'm trying to get you lynched?

TwoFace · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:44 pm

In post 659, gerryoat wrote:"If you're town we should lynch you because you're town and we shouldnt try and find mafia we should instead lynch a town because he's prob bad town and lose a mislynch" that isn't town logic at all

I never said anything remotely close to this. I never said anything about lynching you either.

All I did was agree with massive who said you shouldn't be around at end game.

So do you want to apologize now for falsely accusing me of trying to lynch you?

TwoFace · Post Post #664 (isolation #114) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:22 pm

In post 662, gerryoat wrote:you're backing off now, but you intended on wanting to lynch me.

No I never did. You're the one who's lying right now.

TwoFace · Post Post #665 (isolation #115) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:23 pm

In post 663, MariaR wrote:Gerry get in my pocket rn

Don't coach your boy. He's made his bed. He's going to lie in it.

TwoFace · Post Post #667 (isolation #116) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:03 pm

Gerry. Since you are either misremembering what actually happened or out right lying, let's try something different.

Excluding me, Who are your top 2 scum reads (Not maria's definition, the actual definition meaning people you are kind of suspicious of) and why.

Thanks

TwoFace · Post Post #669 (isolation #117) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:19 pm

It implies that I don't think you're going to be useful if you're town

TwoFace · Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:10 am

In post 674, gerryoat wrote:
In post 670, Zachstralkita wrote:gerry, what was your read on massive?
i voted him as a joke but then i didnt like his reaction so i kept it

But you aren't voting him now so what's your read on him?

TwoFace · Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:11 am

Also please answer my earlier question

TwoFace · Post Post #686 (isolation #120) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:24 am

In post 683, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 625, TwoFace wrote:Gerry and Maria basically will never really go after each other cause they are friends. It's why they probably should y be allowed to play together but whatever. It's not up to me.
I have seen Maria push her friends in the past, and vice versa. Your claim is simply false.

Well she admitted that's what she's doing this game so naturally I'm going to think it's going to be like that in other games.

TwoFace · Post Post #688 (isolation #121) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:40 am

Are you? She said she's giving Gerry a free pass day 1 cause they are friends.

TwoFace · Post Post #689 (isolation #122) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:42 am

I mean sure she didn't come out and say it like that but the implications are there.

TwoFace · Post Post #691 (isolation #123) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:07 am

That's how I interpreted her actions. If I'm wrong so be it.

TwoFace · Post Post #693 (isolation #124) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:04 am

Nope not talking about you. Not even sure why he felt the need to bring it back up or why I was stupid enough to engage him. It's not relevant to the game.

TwoFace · Post Post #695 (isolation #125) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:16 am

TwoFace · Post Post #697 (isolation #126) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:25 am

Even if I were scum I'd still believe what I said because that's what she actually implies. My opinion of her statement wouldn't change based on my alignment which is why it's not game relevant. Thanks for proving to me yet again you should probably be ignored

TwoFace · Post Post #698 (isolation #127) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:25 am

Opinions are non AI. If you haven't figured that out yet why are you even playing this game?

TwoFace · Post Post #700 (isolation #128) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:39 am

I guess your way of interpreting things are different than mine. I trust me more than you so like I said this is pointless so I won't be engaging you anymore about it.

TwoFace · Post Post #704 (isolation #129) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:51 am

In post 701, massive wrote:I don't know, I see where Xkyfu is coming from. I don't think it's necessarily true to say "my opinion on Maria's statement would be the same as either alignment" because as scum, you wouldn't care whether she was giving someone a pass D1 since you already know the alignment of both parties involved -- but you WOULD like to represent that as something you care about. Statement might be the same, but the motivation is different.

That being said, MY opinion of Maria's statement is the same as Twoface's -- that she's purposefully giving gerry a pass today. But honestly, she's giving everyone a pass today, she just has a "reason" for this one.

Actually that's not true. Even if I were scum I would care, especially if both were town.

But that's why it's pointless and irrelevant to the game.

TwoFace · Post Post #706 (isolation #130) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:40 am

If I were scum it Limits mislynch opportunities. If you have 2 townie you think aren't ever gong to let the other get lynched or even consider is scum that hurts scums chances. It also limits the mislynch pool if they are successful in preventing the lymches to happen. Plus neither of them are people I'd ever nk

TwoFace · Post Post #711 (isolation #131) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:31 am

Maria. Can you link me to a game where you seriously pushed him day one.

TwoFace · Post Post #714 (isolation #132) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:39 am

Reasons

TwoFace · Post Post #716 (isolation #133) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:50 am

Fair enough. Thy

TwoFace · Post Post #717 (isolation #134) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:57 am

I didn't go to work today so no catchups like I had hoped.

I'm not into policy lynches but if itlepip, Gerry, or something smart got to l-1 I'd hammer.

Gerry I actually have a minor scum read on cause he's making a big fuss about me supposedly wanting to lynch him, but it was actually massive who suggested getting rid of him before end game yet no outrage directed towards him. If Gerry flips scum, I'd wager massive is probably his buddy.

Massive holding on to this "scum slip" is just bad so slight scum read on him also.

That's basically where I'm at ATM.

TwoFace · Post Post #719 (isolation #135) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:59 am

I mean a simple plan. My bad

TwoFace · Post Post #720 (isolation #136) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:00 am

But yeah lynching the mod would be fun

TwoFace · Post Post #726 (isolation #137) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:16 am

Shocker 2 people who's opinions I trust the least disagree with me. Must be headed down the right track.

Don't forget guys scum can "look towny" sometimes. But no he doesn't look towny at all

Most of the time that's how scum wins. They are the person you least expect to be scum

TwoFace · Post Post #732 (isolation #138) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:26 am

In post 729, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 726, TwoFace wrote:Don't forget guys scum can "look towny" sometimes. But no he doesn't look towny at all

Most of the time that's how scum wins. They are the person you least expect to be scum
What's up with this?

If he looks towny why fearmonger and say "that's how scum get you" when it's day 1

Do you lynch the people you least expect to be scum on day 1?

you must have missed where I said he doesn't look towny.

TwoFace · Post Post #733 (isolation #139) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:28 am

In post 731, itlepip wrote:Maria is there anything recent that makes you think I'm scum?

Also why are we talking about lylo strategy before d1 ends?

If I recall correctly you and massive are really the only people suggesting people be removed before lylo. So why were you talking about lylo strategies before day 1 was over since you obviously have a problem with it

TwoFace · Post Post #736 (isolation #140) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:01 am

In post 640, TwoFace wrote:I'll try and read that later tonight or tomorrow. But I'm confused. What gimmick is zach doing. I don't see any gimmicks

Itlepip. You never answered me what is this gimmick thing you are talking about?

TwoFace · Post Post #738 (isolation #141) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:08 am

TwoFace · Post Post #740 (isolation #142) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:17 am

I guess I don't really see any gimmicks.

TwoFace · Post Post #745 (isolation #143) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:58 am

In post 743, Zachstralkita wrote:However everyone thinks I'm a fucking lunatic so I have opted to lynch Dunn. Who is also scum.

I don't think you're a lunatic. I'd be ok with a massive lynch but I'm still trying to wrap my head around something ATM.

TwoFace · Post Post #749 (isolation #144) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:03 am

You do realize that was massive doing that and not me right? I mean you even tried and failed to show me doing it yet you still hold that opinion.

TwoFace · Post Post #751 (isolation #145) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:05 am

Where did Naomi say it?

TwoFace · Post Post #754 (isolation #146) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:07 am

In post 745, TwoFace wrote:
In post 743, Zachstralkita wrote:However everyone thinks I'm a fucking lunatic so I have opted to lynch Dunn. Who is also scum.
I don't think you're a lunatic. I'd be ok with a massive lynch but I'm still trying to wrap my head around something ATM.

With Gerry's recent posts he's finally confirmed he's protecting massive for some reason. I'm ok with a massive or gerry lynch.

TwoFace · Post Post #757 (isolation #147) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:10 am

In post 752, gerryoat wrote:Do you know what subtle is? You clearly said it as a "we should policy lynch this dude cause he can't help us"

No massive said that.

TwoFace · Post Post #761 (isolation #148) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:20 am

In post 759, gerryoat wrote:Are you forgetting what you said this game?

You realize that you just quoted me agreeing with massive, who is suggesting you be lynched before end game right?

You just proved me case. I didn't suggest it. Massive did yet you attack me.

I already said I'm against policy lynches. Said it more than once. So I would never lynch you based on you being a liability.

TwoFace · Post Post #762 (isolation #149) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:25 am

In post 753, gerryoat wrote:TwoFaced

Yeah I don't read walls. I don't even like reading list reads so sorry I didn't read that post.

TwoFace · Post Post #763 (isolation #150) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:27 am

Also I just read that post you quoted and Naomi didn't say you are getting a free pass because she's your friend. Did I miss something?

TwoFace · Post Post #765 (isolation #151) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:33 am

In post 760, gerryoat wrote:Also so you're saying massive is my partner, and I'm protecting him. So my partner wants to policy lynch his partner. gr8 reads

Did massive ever vote you? No
Have you ever heard of distancing? Because that would actually be a good example.

You know what else would be? Voting and calling the person who agrees with what massive said instead of voting massive who was the one basically suggesting you should've policy lynched.

TwoFace · Post Post #766 (isolation #152) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:36 am

In post 764, gerryoat wrote:i thought the basis of your argument was me getting a free pass in general. Not just the friend thing.

Also, I wanted you over massive cause of you faking meta.

How on earth can you think that's the basis when there was a discussion back and forth where I specifically said it's because you are friends. Why would I ask Maria specifically if she's ever pushed you day one? Sorry others may buy your fake ignorance but I'm not. There is no way you read the thread and thought that.

I also didn't fake any meta. Thank you

TwoFace · Post Post #767 (isolation #153) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:37 am

In post 617, TwoFace wrote:just cause he is your friend doesn't mean he is exempt from being scum read. You shouldn't give your friends a d1 pass just cause they are your friends

Like seriously no way you could be confused.

TwoFace · Post Post #769 (isolation #154) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:56 am

In post 760, gerryoat wrote:Also so you're saying massive is my partner, and I'm protecting him. So my partner wants to policy lynch his partner. gr8 reads

I'll add to this. There is a player radiant cowbells who once hard bussed both her scum partners and got them lynched. So in comparison I could totally see scum massive do some subtle distancing. Not to mention holding onto the color thing still isn't what I'd perceive as protown.

TwoFace · Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:46 am

I'm not worried about Naomi

TwoFace · Post Post #779 (isolation #156) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:48 am

ya'll need to do a better job of making it look like you aren't partners. This scum theatre is boring. Not even worth popping pop corn

TwoFace · Post Post #782 (isolation #157) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:45 am

I would say it's crazy you don't see it, but I have to remember who i'm speaking to. You have already made some posts that make me question your ability to play mafia.

TwoFace · Post Post #784 (isolation #158) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:56 am

massive has been trying to discredit gerry for a while now and even suggest that we get rid of him before lylo

gerry sees massive say that and instead of attacking him, he attacks me claiming it was my idea this whole time. he even quotes the post where massive makes the comment and I say I agree with him yet he comes to the same conclusion that i somehow said it.

that right there is enough to cast doubt on at least gerry as being scum but add in the part where he acts like he didn't know I was talking about him being friends is just extra icing for the cake.

so now gerry is very obviously caught scum and what is massive's response? he votes me and not caught scum.

now add in massive's piss poor reason for voting naomi it's pretty obvious he is scum also.

massive is scum
gerry is scum

neither want to vote each other.

TwoFace · Post Post #787 (isolation #159) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:04 am

Do I vote gerry?

heads - yes

vote: gerry

TwoFace · Post Post #789 (isolation #160) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:34 am

oh yes I did forget that. yes that makes me even more convinced the two of you are scum. It's the most obvious case of distancing I have ever seen.

TwoFace · Post Post #790 (isolation #161) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:35 am

btw if I am wrong about you (which I really don't think I am) you need to move on from the naomi wagon, at least until you can come up with something better than the green/blue/red thing. That isn't a good enough reason to lynch and you should know that

TwoFace · Post Post #797 (isolation #162) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:48 am

In post 791, Xkfyu wrote:You know, if you'd quit defending Naomi so damn hard, I'd be fine with never voting you again for the rest of the game.

my intent isn't to defend naomi though, I went and looked at the reasons given for the 2 largest wagons and none of the reasons for naomi were any good. As a player when you see 4 bad reasons, you have to question the people giving them rather than the person they are on. massive's reasons is probably the worst and he doesn't really seem interested in adding to it.

TwoFace · Post Post #798 (isolation #163) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:49 am

In post 795, Xkfyu wrote:His confirmation bias is.......other-worldly, and his refusal to listen to reason screams arrogant town to me, and not scum tunneling.

I am pretty sure you have me confused with somebody else.

TwoFace · Post Post #804 (isolation #164) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:00 am

In post 801, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 798, TwoFace wrote:
In post 795, Xkfyu wrote:His confirmation bias is.......other-worldly, and his refusal to listen to reason screams arrogant town to me, and not scum tunneling.
I am pretty sure you have me confused with somebody else.
I'm actually fairly certain that I don't.

I haven't used any conf bias though and I don't recall anyone trying to reason with me. I'm a very reasonable person.

I don't appreciate you downplaying my scum hunting as conf bias.

TwoFace · Post Post #813 (isolation #165) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:15 am

In post 807, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 804, TwoFace wrote:
In post 801, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 798, TwoFace wrote:
In post 795, Xkfyu wrote:His confirmation bias is.......other-worldly, and his refusal to listen to reason screams arrogant town to me, and not scum tunneling.
I am pretty sure you have me confused with somebody else.
I'm actually fairly certain that I don't.
I haven't used any conf bias though and I don't recall anyone trying to reason with me. I'm a very reasonable person.

I don't appreciate you downplaying my scum hunting as conf bias.

Either you don't know what conf. bias actually means or you don't know what scum hunting looks like.

TwoFace · Post Post #820 (isolation #166) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:38 am

In post 817, itlepip wrote:Also this isn't true, I'm not saying that what I am doing is outside of my scum range, but I got readlists out of a few people, and most of the questions I ask I am looking for a very specific thing. If you don't see it fine but there is absolutely no way to call what I am asking filler.

to be honest though these things can easily be done by scum. Nothing you have done screams obv town, doesn't scream obv scum either with the exception of the whole wanting to get rid of me for the gimmick thing.

TwoFace · Post Post #823 (isolation #167) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:47 am

hey itle, i don't think you ever answered me. why were you asking why people were talking about lylo strategies like you had a problem with that, when 1. nobody was talking about lylo strategies and 2. you were one of the first to ever talk about lylo strategies.

seems odd to question something that you did yourself.

TwoFace · Post Post #824 (isolation #168) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:48 am

In post 821, itlepip wrote:The whole 'imma vote twoface cause he is a liability and also hard to lynch over someone I think is scummy but wait twoface is kinda scummy but I will never say why oh wait twoface is a liability again shit people are complaining let's go to Zach' progression was quite quite awful.

but you basically said you want me gone before lylo which basically makes you guilty of essentially the same thing. Why is it horrible for one person but not horrible when you did it?

TwoFace · Post Post #833 (isolation #169) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:31 am

itlepip, twice now you have avoided answering my question. please answer it

TwoFace · Post Post #839 (isolation #170) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:41 am

In post 773, A Simple Plan wrote:Of course it would come literally as I'm signing on...

Why bother signing on if you aren't going to contribute?

This is ridiculous

TwoFace · Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:56 am

In post 850, gerryoat wrote:lol I just iso'd A Simple Plan. how has he not been replaced yet? he posts once every 2 days

Cause our mod is nice. I already messaged the mod and he said he's probably was just really busy... :eyeroll:

I just hope that post doesn't count as activity because it wasn't.

TwoFace · Post Post #868 (isolation #172) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:04 pm

I'd be ok with a Dunn lynch if people aren't going to lynch Gerry or massive which it seems is likely for idk why

TwoFace · Post Post #870 (isolation #173) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:09 pm

In post 869, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 868, TwoFace wrote:I'd be ok with a Dunn lynch if people aren't going to lynch Gerry or massive which it seems is likely for idk why
are we the only two people who SR massive

Maybe. But Gerry essentially claimed scum by the "mistakes" he made but I'm not going to ramble on for the next 10 pages about it. I can only lead a horse to water.

TwoFace · Post Post #873 (isolation #174) » Thu Oct 06, 2016 4:08 pm

The fact that Naomi said she slipped is really fucking with me. I mean I know I can be dense at times but I just don't see a townie saying they slipped over they made a mistake.

TwoFace · Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:25 am

In post 887, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 885, Xkfyu wrote:
@Mod: V/LA for the weekend.

Noted.

Pseudoprodding A Simple Plan. He won't technically come into prod range for a few hours, but I'll be gone by then, so I won't count it as a true prod if he responds before then.

You shouldn't have counted his post as activity and already replaced him imo.

TwoFace · Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:12 am

Ok so looking at the normal que, now I can reference gerry's other game. He faked claimed some sort of PR with info that a townie was a mafia pr and wanted town to lynch him over scum who was already caught by watcher.

TwoFace · Post Post #904 (isolation #177) » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:47 pm

In post 894, gerryoat wrote:
In post 890, TwoFace wrote:Ok so looking at the normal que, now I can reference gerry's other game. He faked claimed some sort of PR with info that a townie was a mafia pr and wanted town to lynch him over scum who was already caught by watcher.
I was a town pinger. I pinged someone n1. and he didn't even acknowledge it and pushed on me. Then, the next night I was RB'd so I figured that they were scared I was an investigative PR and blocked me because I caught one of them. I don't see how that's a liability at all.

Lying to get a townie lynched instead of caught mafia and you don't see why you were a liability to town? you had people thinking he was scum and put more shade on him which resulted in a mislynch that may not have happened.

Oh and town lost. Mostly because of that very thing. So yeah. While I didn't read the tracker game, this one was fun to read

TwoFace · Post Post #905 (isolation #178) » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:50 pm

In post 897, Naomi-Tan wrote:Massive post stats;
2,527 Words
13,329 Characters
85 Sentences
58 paragraphs

Can you put these walls in a spoilers please.

TwoFace · Post Post #907 (isolation #179) » Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:01 pm

Why not?

TwoFace · Post Post #910 (isolation #180) » Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:10 am

vote: Dunn

TwoFace · Post Post #912 (isolation #181) » Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:45 am

Because the people I want lynched aren't going to, there's about 3 days left, he's not in my town pile, he's the closest to lynch.

It's pointless to park on somebody who's not going to get lynched.

TwoFace · Post Post #915 (isolation #182) » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:13 am

In post 913, MariaR wrote:So Zach isn't getting lynched? Sigh.

I need a voting log was about vote dunn but got scared

VC was on the last page, seriously not that hard to go look for VCs

TwoFace · Post Post #916 (isolation #183) » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:14 am

In post 914, Naomi-Tan wrote:I just wanted to talk, after my massive post the entirely thread went silent

Probably due to 1. It being a complete waste of time 2. Longer than war & peace 3. I assume boring as fuck since I didn't read any of it.

TwoFace · Post Post #919 (isolation #184) » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:53 am

I mean you were trying to roleplay both sides. It's completely irrelevant. Do things that make sense. That certainly didn't make sense

TwoFace · Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:54 am

In post 928, Toto wrote:
In post 927, Toto wrote:
In post 925, Dunnstral wrote:You (I established that too)
You're dumb

I agree with your other 3 though

So he's dumb cause he thinks you're scum?

TwoFace · Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:15 am

In post 933, itlepip wrote:Dunn is super obvious town here y'all need to chill.

You're going to need to explain cause I haven't seen anything to suggest he's even probably town.

TwoFace · Post Post #947 (isolation #187) » Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:20 am

That's what's already happening. It sucks but yeah. Dunn is the consolidation lynch

TwoFace · Post Post #959 (isolation #188) » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:05 am

In post 956, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 947, TwoFace wrote:That's what's already happening. It sucks but yeah. Dunn is the consolidation lynch
I can tell you enjoy doing nothing and calling me a consolidation lynch when I have 3 votes on me

Are you willing to lynch Zach?

You have 4 actually. The most out of anyone else. My top 2 scum reads aren't on anyone else's radar so yeah what else am I supposed to do?

No I'm not willing to lynch zach cause I already said he's probably town.

TwoFace · Post Post #961 (isolation #189) » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:09 am

In post 960, Something_Smart wrote:VC

Is simple getting replaced now?

TwoFace · Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:20 am

In post 964, MariaR wrote:UNVOTE: no need to rush I guess

You've been voting zack for almost a week. That comment doesn't make sense as obviously your vote wasn't a rush/deadline vote.

TwoFace · Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:31 am

In post 913, MariaR wrote:So Zach isn't getting lynched

You were really gung ho about a zach lynch also

TwoFace · Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:46 am

It just doesn't make sense. If a wagon did form on you I'd join it

TwoFace · Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:55 am

That's why I'm not trying to start one. Town obviously can't get ther head out of their asses to lynch obv scum, what makes you think they would lynch somebody really scummy?

TwoFace · Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:04 pm

I didn't call you obv scum. See you aren't even taking the game seriously

TwoFace · Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:29 pm

If you say so

TwoFace · Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:59 pm

I asked him. No response yet

TwoFace · Post Post #988 (isolation #197) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:16 am

mod can we get a deadline extension to allow the replacement to catchup?

TwoFace · Post Post #994 (isolation #198) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:52 am

In post 992, grapes wrote:Good entrance.

TwoFace · Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:06 am

In post 1018, Dunnstral wrote:If toto is town, Panther might be mafia with Zach

or you know, zach could be town and you are tunneling for some unknown reason.

thoughts on massive and gerry please?