Mini Normal 1841 - At The End... (GAME OVER)

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Before I thought X's logic was insane
Now I think his reasoning on something before is plain

Will reISO Y after work
If only RL wasn't such a big jerk.

X is a townread and I was an idiot
I hope it is clear what I have meant.

Rereading overnight made something make sense.
If only while writing this I wasn't so tense.

So people could see through the lines.
Without giving scum the day and time.

This may be my one chance to have it all clear
Not being understood is my big fear.

So people understand what I say
And know what is going on today

X knows what I am saying I hope.
Else I may be stuck in mope

Gotta go.
Scum need lynching let's go!

In other words Iroanavp translated this and determined I was neighborized by Dunn.

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Agreed they have no incentive to bus. That is why the NK is so important. It narrows things down and based on where people stand it confirms things. We keep no lynching til there is a kill then whoever is left of me+Manuel decides. Worse case scenario we draw.

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Back to work for me will check periodically as time permits. Please unvote.

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Worse case scenario we draw.

That is not the worst case scenario.

It is 10v3 in the first post? So only two scum remain. Explain how no lynching loses?

I have intention of reconsidering after an NK.

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I don't contribute to stupid ideas of lynching today. If we lynch it is in my top two. If a third person votes then scum can easily hammer so a third person voting is playing stupid.

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It would have to be a statistically significant amount of time. Now I really have to get back to work.

If we mislynch after a NL same consequences as today's sS.

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That is not what I said. What I said is I would need to see a statistically significant amount of time to prove that scum could have hammered and didn't.

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1) Yes we should have damn near close to that to lynch anyone in MyLO. By being a stubborn jackass I am forcing people to take positions on SS and their reads. This will cost the game if you are wrong. So yes I want an airtight case that I will have no regrets voting someone. Right now that person is Manuel based on setup.

2) The gamestate screams no such thing. JK + Watcher + Neighborizer could be balanced if scum have one OP role and one decent one. Gamestate = setup.

3) Even if you mean today in general it indicates one of two things:

A) Manuel is scum who no one but me scumreads or
B) Manuel is town.

Case A) Manuel is scum and he and his buddy won't scumread him. That is three of six players. Just because people don't scumread him doesn't mean he isn't scum. Hell I went some games without a single vote on me as scum. That didn't change my alignment. It just means it isn't a popular opinion and in MyLO you don't compromise. I absolutely agree that my read isn't popular which confounds me how that could be thought of as balanced which people are just going along with.

Case B) Manuel is town and I am wrong. Has anyone made a case for Manuel town or is it just PoE at this point? I have demonstrated where Manuel tried to save infinity and so did Dunn. Are you suggesting that Dunn and Manuel are both town who tried to let infinity go to another day?

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An indepth analysis: I could spam the thread with a wall but I am moving away from that meta because no one reads it and when I am pissed and do write a lot it freaking stands out.

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I agree I am an obstinate player right now but apparently everyone thinks this setup is okay when it is horrible. Neighborizer is almost never given to scum so if Dunn had neighborized Zach night one instead of me then this could have been follow the JK and been broke as fuck. Then if he hit the Watcher town would be fucked.

All of that against two unknown roles and a one shot tracker.

Furthermore if there is scum in smart in the neighborhood as you said you believe then it is even worse because scum do not get to rest ever. They cannot "claim to have read overnight" or come up with a universal plan. This in essence takes away night talk if not weak which is why if it is included it is weak.

MechaGoomba town motion detector died night 3
Saru odd-night mason recruiter died night 3 (Note was weak by definition of mason recruiter)
Titus, town jailkeeper endgamed


Karnos, mafia neapolitan, won
Mathblade, mafia goon, won
MagnaOfIllusion, Mafia Jailkeeper Enabler, won

This is an example of good balance from 1800.

Please explain to me what makes this balanced. Any setup scum could have.

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the Watcher scum would be fucked.*

Merged thoughts*

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Furthermore for SS to be scum and you to be town you are asking me to believe that on D1 it was an all town lynch on Creature and that on d2 infinity was the only scum on it.

Now I am no rocket scientist but there are only a couple of ways that happens:
Namely when scum is of limited power and has to hide their head in the sand.
The power roles that have flipped suggest scum should be high power roles.

What you are suggesting does not fit.
Instead it is much more likely town has three power roles not four.

Furthermore you do not bring a case at all in fucking MyLO you own stock in Waffle House and are a complete hypocrite on voting.

We should be no lynching today.

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Based on your blatant hypocrisy I am moving you up on my scumreads and saying Manuel+Titus or third place Dong.

Whiteknighting and recycling my arguments from before about why JarJar was obviously Town as well is just fuckin ridiculous.

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1) In MyLO yep. LyLO depends but usually yep. At the MyLO/Lylo part it is less about reads and you go for the goddamn sure thing because scum will try to derail you every time you can get. The easy lynch would be a town loss more than likely. In MyLO you ALWAYS no lynch with the exception of a cop guilty.

2) ignoring them is blatantly false. I asked everyone for their reads more so than claims because they'd all have to be straight VTs as Manuel is a claimed BP. Anything else would force a 1v1 and everyone townreads Manuel so scum wouldn't claim PR. I think you said mass claim to look as if you are hunting. I have asked for people's top reads because then I can analyze what happens overnight with them. I am preparing for a no lynch because we should not be lynching today. You can keep scum claiming by voting and whiteknighting Jar but I am quite happy not playing into your shenanigans.

3) Asked and answered. Manuel+Titus or Manuel+Dong.
I am discussing but Manuel claiming BP is a scum claim that until someone can provide me a setup that works with 4 Town PRs that are more powerful I see no reason to budge in MyLO.

3B) It is the events as well as the Why. It is simple. Manuel tried to save Infinity. Even after the guilty. Yet you call him innocent. The evidence is there you just refuse to consider him scum because you don't want to bus as you hate bussing. Or you are just stubborn and don't setup spec. VCA doesn't provide the why it is the facts of a wagon. The facts say you are scum or D1 was an all town lynch. That is a fact you deflect.

4) Yes it is. I told you how I am changing. Deal.

5) Mastin horrible setups don't happen. She reviewed this. Manuel is scum.

Pedit:

Damn I missed that. Shit.

I hate my vote highlighter tool it sucks. Will redo my VCA later tonight but until then.

VOTE: No lynch

As any rational sane townie would do.

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1) In mylo, lynch if a) cop guilty, b) obvious town death or c) town has a majority scumread and can get an extra lynch. We're in b and c.
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No. none of these are valid scenarios.
Scum claim cop in MyLO instant GG.
B) No because there is no obvious town death. It will draw Manuel or someone else. Either way we don't lose.
C) That is not true. We cannot get an extra lynch. We lynch town we lose GG no re.

2) I am not ignoring the context I am merely asking what everyone thinks
However for point and argument let's assume a Dong + SS team how does the mislynch on Jordan happen?

If you mean I don't follow sheep Titus it is probably the 28 millionth but you never lynch in LyLo. Tomorrow this can be revisited.

3) A) Ninja impossible because infinity was watched. Strongman not possible else Manuel if town would be dead. Neeeext theory.
VCA is facts. Those facts tell cases. A good VCA doesn't include why. The facts do it for you.

4) Not intentionally but everyone is giving him a pass because he was unCC'd. That doesn't make him Town.

5) I has brain. Brain says pity the scums.

@Titus you persist in something smart is scum too and won't listen about Manuel. This is pot call kettle black moment.

However let's assume I go with Something Smart + Dong theory.

How does the mislynch on Jordan happen? Manuel is likely scum on it who played into my theory.

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Now I am driving home and going to sleep shitty day at work :/ Won't have time nor inclination to wall.


Reasonable townies disagree on reads. They don't fucking lynch during MyLO.

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Let's assume I am insane and you die tomorrow.

Then it is LyLo and I am forced to adapt to this being a really unbalanced setup.

Who would you vote posthumously?

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1) Remember my first rule.

Count the bodies.

If we lynch scum today, and no one dies tonight. We have 5 alive with one scum. That creates a mislynch.

2) Who the crap is Jordan?

3) Handled by Manuel. I'll supplement that Infinity had no purpose given tracker likely acted N1.

4-5) What are the needs of your townreads? What are you doing to meet them? Where did you go wrong before? This is a hard look that's required. I have told you directly but you apparently need to reach this conclusion yourself.

@Math, I have listened to you about Manuel and highlighted the flaw as an egocentric one. Your beliefs about setup spe are not universal.

Please engage in analysis on JarJar's case on SS.

1) If we lynch scum someone will die and repeat of today.
2) XnadrojX is Jordan. It was a name came up with midgame.
3) No he didn't. Neighborizer could wait. If scum had a strongman and Manuel was town he would be dead ergo Manuel scum.
4) My townreads have needs of no lynching no matter what stupidity gets suggested. My townread in JarJar wants to lynch because you have him wrapped around your little finger. In MyLO you should be stubborn as fuck. I shouldn't be compromising.
5) Doing nothing wrong as all you have said to discount my Manuel scumread is Math has ego. I know that. Doesn't make me wrong.

6) I already did earlier in the game. If you want a laundry cycle then it will have to wait as the laundry shop is closed @midnight.

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No.

....No....Please post more than one word.

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1) If we lynch scum, then we get a lylo of you/me OR JarJar/Manuel versus Dong. One of us dying should be a red flag that Manuel is town. Either way, scum are boned if people listen to the dead.
2) Will answer in a moment. It needs its own post.
3) Imposition of your own thoughts on the scumteam as the only reasonable play.
4) What are your townreads saying they need, not what you think they need? What are you doing to address their needs? What have you learned from our prior games about communicating with others?

6) I am referring to post 2084. It's his bussing 101 post which you've ignored.

1) One of you dying is a red flag Manuel is scum.
You have made arguments that if Manuel is town then no one would die.
Now you say if someone dies then Manuel is town.
Logical contradiction much?
3) Yes because scum aren't idiots because they got IMHO all the town power to claim. (And in my opinion are dead.) It makes sense they do logical things. A dong/smart team has no reason to kill neighborizer as they are both in it.
4) I have played games where townreads are smarter than me and where they are dumber than me. They say what they want. "Need" is no lynch in MyLO always. No matter how smart you think you are reads can be wrong and so you always no lynch in MyLO. If obvious happens great. If not you get a chance to readjust. For communicating with others you read what they say take it into account then wait until done reading before responding. Which I have done.
6) requires own post but in general SS's flipflopping is resembling of scumhunting.

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Responses in line in bold

Bussing 101

So S_S comes out of the day with a hardcore SR on Dong. He probably assumed that he's be the lynch today regardless cause of the hammer and wanted the towncred.

The only thing remotely right here is the part about Dongempire, and that's not even the main reason I scumread him. (For those of you not in the hood, Dongempire is now my top scumread due in part to that hammer.)

I'm not being lynched today.

Pick one of them (preferably Dong) and push them instead.

He then tells us he thinks mathblade is the scumbuddy.

I think the scumteam is Dongempire/Mathblade.

probably putting out some feelers to see if anyone would wagon math.

so as I pointed out earlier. His top scumread changed.

Dongempire is now my top scumread

popcorn to his biggest unclaimed scumread

Popcorn Mathblade.

Here he starts trying to justify the flipflop that is sure to come.

Bias tunnel not evidence. It is either a rolefish of me or justified read. Not a setup to change reads.

And ugh. I'm gonna need to check and see how often I am right versus wrong when I defend scummy people because I think that they're lynchbait (and I can think of a few times when I have incorrectly townread scum like this just off the top of my head), because I feel like I might do better just scumreading people who are scummy and leaving it at that.

I like the "ugh" @ the beginning to show us he's really struggling.

Or he is genuine. That is not explaining shit

Why is it terribad? Of my two scumreads, you were the one I thought more likely to claim a PR.

Here he says he's still "scumreading" dong but he hasn't been making an effort to get him lynched.

I'm changing my mind again aaaaaaaaah

MmmHmm

This is explanatory as <~drwhysvtsftwzv

And FYI I scumread you now.

VOTE: Titus

So now the flip to titus.

Because he is scumhunting....

I was waiting until Titus claimed, but since she obviously isn't going to, I'll just say that my top scumreads now are Titus and JarJar.

Titus AND jarjar??? How do you just flip BOTH your scumreads like that? Like OK maybe you now scumread Titus sure but how is it that you're all of a sudden not scumreading Dong OR math @ this point?

The answer is because he sees a path to victory without needing to bus his partner so he just inexplicitly drops his dong scumread.

Like seriously justify your read change there S_S. There's no way.

Already did. Too busy in tunnel to see it.

Speaking of not being able to justify a read change:

@S_S what changed your townread on me?

My growing townread on Mathblade and my decision that scummy people are probably just scum.

Not sure what his townread on mathblade has to do w/ anything so his reason here is "You're acting scummy".


Seriously people. Dong/S_S is the scumteam.

This is not a bussing 101 post. Just your opinion he is

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How the hell can you speak for JarJar?

/me is creeped out

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VOTE: Dong

Not interested.

GG Something Smart

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VOTE: Dong

That is hammer folks

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Lol nice trolling SS

/me hugs Titus

Told you you should no lynch

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Yep.

GG SS I like to troll end game.

Nice work buddy getting cozy with Titus.

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I would have shot Titus. I always believe no lynch in MyLO as either environment.

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Oh she was going to die. I was going to pivot.

Was super fun <3

As soon as Titus said JarJar town he would bus me (if he had to) and coast.

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Go ahead and release PT being neighborized that early is so fucking hard. <3

I voted infinity D2 to buddy Dunnstral.

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/me hugs Smart. I agree with dead PT that scum needed JoAT or one shot strongman but it didn't matter in the end.

Gotta go GG.

I hope you guys had fun

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100%

Neighborizer if used correctly is one of the best town roles. It is what almost got me caught in Shadowrun mafia having to be townie and consistent all day and night sans break.

I talked truth setup spec because it avoids reads. As town I am confident I would have pushed Manuel.

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It is the curse of Gistou. Since Gistou every scum game I have had some kind of BP or ninja XD

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and finally, lol @ Mathblade assuming my reads were going to be anywhere near constant in MYLO.

I didn't. Titus did. I just kept asking so I could has hammers. Titus screaming JarJar town when VCA screamed I saved JarJar from lynch was nuts XD. At that point she said VCA says you and .... It took everything I had not to disagree with her.

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thanks for the advice, mr. "jarjar is conftown".

Yeah that was bad
You should have lynched him when xnadr flipped town

I was planning on bussing him the next day but Smart gave me an out so I switched to JarJar to end game and bus me XD.

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I did my best.(yes my best sucks) I'll try to get better at Mafia

My first game was terrible and still working on my town game. You will get there!

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ya ScumBlade pulled a Transcend on town

What does this mean?

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ya ScumBlade pulled a Transcend on town

What does this mean?

Please refer to the signature of user Transcend


When he is in prime scum form us mortals cannot even hope to touch his feet, for every move we make has already been predicted and accounted for and so he gains your trust and affection then shatters your soul, sending you spiraling downward into a deep abyss from which you return only faintly grasping onto a sliver of your miserable sanity for the rest has been scorched in hellfire and the ashes sprinkled atop your eyelids

Thank you May I ask you to modify that for me or I can tweak it? I would love to actually have a dog Yayayay.

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Sig* autocorrect sucks.

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I make it a point to follow what I think is my town meta so if someone says I do something only as one alignment I try to incorporate it so more people have fun I despise trust tells with a passion

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That and site meta. I make it a point to butcher ongoing site metas as either alignment. They give scum places to hide.

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ya ScumBlade pulled a Transcend on town

What does this mean?

Please refer to the signature of user Transcend


When he is in prime scum form us mortals cannot even hope to touch his feet, for every move we make has already been predicted and accounted for and so he gains your trust and affection then shatters your soul, sending you spiraling downward into a deep abyss from which you return only faintly grasping onto a sliver of your miserable sanity for the rest has been scorched in hellfire and the ashes sprinkled atop your eyelids

Thank you May I ask you to modify that for me or I can tweak it? I would love to actually have a dog Yayayay.

You can or I can if you tell me what you want done.

Just an authentic quote that summarizes your feelings without referencing Transcend The scumblade was a nice touch

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Lmfao i told you from day 1 and you never acted on my tells
Anyways who cares good game scum, i actually didnt expect math at all. Even if we lynched jar i thinm math'd survive. Good game either way.

Thanks you too

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Thank you If you ever want one from me let me know. After work today I have a sig:D yay