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And ure falling into the trope of people voting town bro, whos anti town now ? this gimmick also gaves me reads and still doesIn post 2414, BlackVoid wrote:No she isn't. Letting you off isn't towny. Telling you to claim isn't scummy. You fall into the trope of people doing dumb things hoping to catch scum and then saying that people who voted them are scum.-
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love you, town points for youIn post 2420, Hoopla wrote:Actually, now that I think about it...
I think Cloud is prob-town enough to the point where I don't care if he claims or not, since I don't want to lynch him any more. Just as long as it happens before or during massclaim -- whenever he feels it's best.-
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Hes not, ure the one whos stubborn hereIn post 2432, BlackVoid wrote:My read is that either he's scum and stalling, or he's town and you are trying to frustrate me by not getting his claim in an expedient fashion so that I keep pushing him harder and harder until I finally get a town lynched after putting in way too much effort.
If you are town here, you'd be trying to make the process simpler, not throw additional wrenches into the mix.-
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Will you claim if i claim ? and if so, its almost like massclaiming at this pointIn post 2438, BlackVoid wrote:He is a lynch candidate. Nothing has changed. If he doesn't claim, there is nobody else that I'll consider for a lynch.-
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Oh wait, you didnt follow up with me asking to claim in your next post ? why do you expect ppl to do it if you dontIn post 2444, BlackVoid wrote:He's just trolling at this point. Creature, when you get here, please hammer him.-
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What about, hoop is town and hes right ? Even if its suboptimal to let me ''not-claim'' hes still actually right on me and BV is in the wrongIn post 2452, Raskolnikov wrote:
White knighting here does make sense, although I think it's more that hoopla out of all people should know better.In post 2449, CloudKicker wrote:which makes no sens since you asked me to get hammered a bunch of time, either way its pretty inconsistent with your earlier reads-
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That woud be unfun tbhIn post 2471, BlackVoid wrote:@Hoopla, Creature - here's where you CAN do something. Vote Cloud and leave me with the hammer. The claim will come, trust me.-
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Yo, congratz on outing me asshole bg 1-shot and not used, i didnt want to out because i wanted to trade myslef with a clear or investigative role. I didnt plan on outing the affix but i dont trust you to not hammer me just cause i didnt out it, heres the claim i typed earlier today. I also thought about just not posting anymore for a while just to troll you even further but i actually want to win this game and not be banned for trolling every game. To sum it up, i wanted to test sotty and to protect her/clear her etc, imo it was optimal to not lynch her straight away in any scenarios and this is also the reason why i believe she was bussed
Heres my claim without my affix,I hardclaim bodyguard- started typing this @ #2423
From another game and havent read titus, i believe that a protective role shouldnt crumb right ? Its not an actual crumb imo in the sens of it but i remember i tried to push the idea to actually test the tracker because Sotty couldve proved to me, i said that many times.
My whole d2 reason not to lynch sotty was because i wanted to be on her that day and maybe try to track outside, if this happened i wouldve crumbed who i was going on [sotty] to possibly clear her and wins a ml since we wouldnt have to lynch sotty anymore because she was virtually scumread by most of the town, that was essentially my plan. Also from slight setup meta on specs, i believe that town masons + track + weak-ish proctective role did made sens since theres over 1 investigative and 1 protective in most setup.
I also wanted to further get reads from a lynch outside the sotty claim because imo it was optimal in every way.
If i was on sotty and i get killed for it, sotty is clear, we win ml, her track is considered true++. I also seriously doubted that i wouldve been killed while not bodyguarding if Sotty was mafia, because i hard defended the shit out of her, not reason ti nightkill me the mason claim.
If the flip outside her was incriminating Sotty i wouldve probably no bodyguard or on the mason claim, idk i didnt actually think too much about it but that was essentially my state of mind.
The reason why i didnt want to full claim is because i expected to trade myself at somepoint in the game with another pr or a clear, claiming here just kill me pretty much and makes me completly useless. As far as meta goes and from em, protective roles should almost never claim.
When sonia said that i was hardtrying today, i even reminded her the game when i got lynched as doc because i didnt claim, that was another soft and she mightve picked it up? idk she didnt push on me.-
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You dont understand rask, we have ml. If we lynch town today, tomorow its lylo. I am town, if town votes me because of mafia actions (killing arona + rb) then mafia will both vote me for a townlossIn post 2500, Raskolnikov wrote:If your claim makes sense with the setup it's believable in-of-itself though. Someone would have to cc you to fill that space otherwise.-
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i like to hear thatIn post 2504, BlackVoid wrote:I suppose if he's fake-claiming, we'll find out when we setup-spec after all the claims are out. By the way, if anyone has a PR, they should be soft cc'ing Cloudkicker right now.
VOTE: goodmorning
I don't feel from the core of my bones that she's scum but she's an option I want to explore. Mostly comes down to too many bad votes and no vote on Sotty7. Still have lingering feelings that town are playing chaotically and Hoopla and Rask are being the voices of reason scum but I'm going to go to Occam's razor for now and assume GM's play is indicative of scum and Rask and Hoopla being reasonable is because they're town. I'll see how this pans out and decide later.
There's one other reason that I'll keep to myself, this is just a reminder for me to bring it up later in case I forget.
@Cloud, first off, it's not going to be lylo if we mislynch today. Secondly, I'm going to consider all the possibilities including that of a roleblock before I make any decisions. Don't worry, I'm not one to risk autoloss.-
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Nudes firstIn post 2510, MariaR wrote:Joey vote Creature rn-
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Yea but i mightve just get killed over getting rbed + clear killed if i didnt hardclaim, which is towngain and my whole pointIn post 2513, Raskolnikov wrote:
I'm saying if there's RB then softing PR already gets you RB'd 99% and hardclaiming doesn't change that.In post 2508, CloudKicker wrote:What do you mean by softclaiming pr over mason ?-
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i unvoted jsyk, only gm and you are voting him atm
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Implying you hard tr bv, both gm and maria are my entry d2 trs and bv has a case againts him imo, why do you hard tr the guy?In post 2522, Raskolnikov wrote:Despite everything I said, one of GM or Maria with hoopla is looking a little more reasonable than GM+Maria acting in the exact same fashion this past while as team >_>-
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I think that BV didnt actually hardbuss if you actually iso the guy. I believe that the sotty/bv ineractions were and could easily be mafia interactions since BV unvoted a bunch of time and some of his posts seems really inconsistent with a hard sotty sr. It seemed like he bussed to be consistent with his read as town!BV which his actions/behaviors did not match it. Being consistant when you antagonized your partner is also a way to strenghten your town position since he literraly lynched a mafia pr-claiming, something that is really ballsy imo so everyone would believe he hard sr her right ? I think that town!BV wouldve been even more consistent with his reads on sotty as per votes and the wagons, i also think that EVEN SO he wouldve been more careful about lynching a pr claim.In post 2525, Raskolnikov wrote:@CloudIn post 2357, Raskolnikov wrote:Maria, GM, back to this.
Why does BV as scum bus when already heavily townread? What does he gain from it?In post 2278, Jaack wrote:But to resond more specifically, I don't see why BV would have to bus sorry for towncred when he was the most consensus town player there was at the time. Sotty's lynch wasn't inevitable at the time so it's not like he had to move on it to mantain those townreads.
The wierd interactions, speech/behaviors non-matching but still ends up lynching a pr claims all points to scumplay imho, maybe im confbiasing too but this is the general feeling i got, maria also relieved good points. So its not more as to get towncred but to be consistent + solidify position, he literally got hammer on me today because of it and if hes mafia, theres no reason to hammer me here when he can just night kill without a loss of cred yknow.-
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I also think that this is a fairly weak reason to hard tr someone rask, the jaack/sotty interactions are much more indicative of MvsT than bv/sotty's. BV also included some post with overjutification while voting sotty, as to make himself open to come back on his read and not lynch sotty if the wagon ever appeared to die-
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Yea i did tr him too, strong scum players on em, like me, do control the town with seemingly towny stuff when actually its just NAI, methodology is NAI and if you disagree with the conclusions then thats another tell. i prefer ppl to have shit logic with same conclusions than the other way around, mafia is much more caution and neutral in their train of thought than town, they also feel like they have to be critic-proof and so on annnd all this is even more true when you consider it was early game, you can coast the whole game with good-neutral ish posts that looks like hes game solving while slowly pushing his agenda. Just like his recent vote on gm, he justified himself in the very same post sayin' ''i dont feel it in my bones but i still vote them cause blablabla'' he did that all game, i can quote a certain post im thinking about when he was wondering about hoop/sotty d2 which was a bad postIn post 2527, Raskolnikov wrote:I hard townread him earlier though for the work he was doing theorycrafting d1/d2 and in general he's put by far the most into figuring the game out. I can personally tell his work isn't BSing/agenda-driven even if I disagreed with the conclusions sometimes because you can follow the methodology and judge for yourself if it's reasonable (and it generally is).-
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I never planned to claim ever but to crumb the night before i wanted to use my visit, so again ur rebutal is not validIn post 2542, Jaack wrote:UNVOTE:
I don't really buy his claim (1418 doesn't strike me as particularly likely to come from a bg) but it's veracity will be evident with time.
I'm not really feeling any strong enough about anyone else's chance of being scum so I'm going to review some isos and stuff.
BlackVoid is still town though obviously. I literally don't see a case against him.-
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