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You know, my issue with you comes straight from the fact that EVERYTHING thus far is just another tool to clear you via some 'slip' that boils down to a phantom of your imagination. You're using fucking semantics to potentially clear yourself? Catching your own 'townslip'?In post 91, CloudKicker wrote:
Another read you guys wont buy but ill out it anyway, if flub is mefia he scumsliped cleared me there.In post 76, Flubbernugget wrote:Cloud kicker
You bring up the fact that you have town slipped several times. Why do you think that couldn't have been fakedby scum?
A town to town conversation would go like ''Why do you think that couldn't have been faked?'' or ''Why do you think that you couldn't have faked it?''
A scum to town conversation scumsliping "Why do you think that couldn't have been faked by scum?" implying that scum would be outside me even tho hes talking directly to me. Like saying : Why dont you thing that mafia could have done the same you did (implying as town)?
Read #03 that people will disregard to try to discredit
What you've done isn't indicative of alignment, I'll give you that. However it IS bad play, and at the end of the day it's anti-town. If you ARE town, you're wasting a fuckton of time proving it instead of searching for other scum. This game has 12 other people in it and the person you're most concerned about is the one who's alignment you already know. That's not how you play this game.
So leaving the useless distraction behind, VOTE: Grey
Empty vote post, involvement in discussion is mainly to agitate others while not adding anything. MDS doesn't have any reason to complain about him sheeping the vote but it doesn't excuse his action there either. He's posting to feign substance without actually adding any.-
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Sure, if you're able to provide any reasoning behind it. Your current state of analysis is basically "I see you as scum because you are scum" and nothing more. You've adopted to tunnel on CK and apparently see me pointing out that NIA =/= Good play is 'coaching'. You've confirmbiased the game already.-
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Confbias might've been a wrong choice of wording. Tunneling would be the proper word.-Grey- wrote:
Only town can confbias. You are talking to me like you know I'm town even though you're voting for me.In post 107, Aj The Epic wrote:You've confirmbiased the game already.
That only strengthens my scumread on you.
However Confbias can absolutely come from scum (they know the roles from the getgo). It just isn't the correct word for what I asserted.-
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How do associative tells not work? Like I know I've been gone for 8 months but how does the community just disregard an entire part of scumhunting? (Asking because this is something I've heard multiple times in like 2 days). They absolutely do work, Grey's just grasping at shit and hoping something sticks.-
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Gonna say Kai doesn't have a post that justifies your vote, and so far neither do you.
I'm guessing these two lines are independent, but it's also the only possible line that could give reasoning to your vote.
Current site meta is a myth. People have an individual meta, the game has it's own phases, but saying 'it's suddenly acceptable to be scummy as shit' defeats the entire purpose of the game. How the hell do you win a game when you rely on someone making a mistake that large?Flubbernugget wrote:
It sounds like you're obtusely encouraging jin to flail over the thread in this postIn post 161, culted wrote:I'm not saying that you should flail all over the thread, but to engage people who're taking issue with your thought processes instead of pretending that they aren't there, then possibly make us aware of how you're reading these things.
Have any questions for me jin?
With current site meta your best bet really is to ignore scum reads on you unless there's something off on a really fundamental level
Certainly even if such a thing did exist, 7 players have new accounts here (though I'm running on the assumption that Culted/Elhabe are alts) and I've missed 8 months of this meta. It's ridiculously inefficient to discount actual scumtells that we've used for years in the light of some fantasy where everyone is allowed to make them.-
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Then what's it called when you're assuming someone's mafia and doing association from that? IsIn post 179, massive wrote:There are no associative tells between town and anybody, so trying to use them as a method of scumhunting without, you know, having a scum to tie them to really isn't a thing.thatconfbias or just tunneling?
Like I'm not really a hardcore meta crack addict so can we not reference games that no one is going to read until someone asks for outside game examples? Exceptions of course if target audience actually played with you in said gameMiniDeathStar wrote: Cf. Kop in Open 656, bangthemafia in Open 658.
And he'd be completely correct in not seeing any pressure, as there wasn't any.Flubbernugget wrote:In post 153, culted wrote:Psst, guys, jin doesn't want to address the pressure on him until there's an 'actual wagon'.
Who's down to figure out how many votes jin thinks a wagon is?
It sounded more to me like he didn't see any pressure, or at the very least, didn't want us to think he saw pressure.-
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Pretty much false. Some people just have way too much trust. If you're going to have an issue with it, look for WHY they sheep you. There's a few players on site who like to townbloc as a way to wincon, which basically involves one or two townleaders and a fuckton of sheep. The sheep there just have to make sure they're comfortable with what's going on.In post 204, MiniDeathStar wrote:Yes, I thought he was scum because his reaction was bad. No, I didn't ask to be sheeped because *blindly* following on someone else's read is super anti-town.
I think when you're calling CK's reactions bad, you're on the wrong road for what was so weird about it. He wasn't actually reacting to much at all, rather his choices to focus on himself was the far stranger part of his entire reaction. Unless we're speaking of 1 and the same thing (CK's calling his own townslip, CK calling himself town off a flip that hadn't happened), i'd like to see exactly what reaction you're referring to.-
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Well... it was going to be Grey, Io and Hungry/Happy whatever their name is but then the last five pages happened.In post 273, culted wrote:
Yea with relooking at 99 you don't seem to be pushing cloud.In post 179, massive wrote: Can you quote 99 and, specifically, what is exemplary of your point above?
Can I ask your motivation behind post 99 then and what your purpose was of discrediting cloud's townslip beforehand?
And also clarify what you meant by 'stick up for' kairal? Cuz in my mind kairal's trajectory on cloud the first few pages looks pretty transparent, calls out something he thinks is a slip, argues it until the realization that they're probably wrong kicks in and they move on.
Like, why do you think cloud should be taking issue with that?
A vote doesn't need a paragraph of word vomit beneath it to create pressure.In post 188, Aj The Epic wrote:
And he'd be completely correct in not seeing any pressure, as there wasn't any.Flubbernugget wrote:In post 153, culted wrote:Psst, guys, jin doesn't want to address the pressure on him until there's an 'actual wagon'.
Who's down to figure out how many votes jin thinks a wagon is?
It sounded more to me like he didn't see any pressure, or at the very least, didn't want us to think he saw pressure.
What are your scumreads, AJ?
Uh gotta say I like what Grey did though. I was thinking the "same alignment modconfirmed CK/MDS" thing had a lot of flaws, but the context of it being a bait does more than redeem it. No way a mod blatantly tells another town player they're voting a town player as the reason for their replace out. I think massive kinda gave himself away.
Ergo I think the only proper assumption is massive to have been duped. I was about to say Jin's vote felt contrived but I think he missed the entire point of what Grey did.
What I can say is CK (and replacement), MDS do look town given prior actions. Culted does as well. I feel Jin is a bit oblivious but probably oblivious without any malicious intention. Whoever replaced Kai is town too. I think I'm willing to view Grey as town as since his early vote, nothing he's done has had any other motive.
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Happy/Hungry, Massive and Io then would be the three scummiest.
Hungry... Is the least convincing of those for scum, as it was more his AtE post made me look sideways. I haven't really looked into his posts much this game though, so it's really not fair to act as if he's on the same level as massive/ Io are for me.
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And 'hungry/happy' is actually 'hellooo' for HelloNewman....
His post 79 is fine, calling CK out for congratulating himself on a townslip is all well and good. The only issue is HelloNewman never actually interacts with anyone outside of CK and tunnels a bit that he's scum long after most of us have him as town. I don't mind contradictory viewpoints, but with an unpopular view comes a burden of proof, and I don't think Newman attempts that at all in his post. His reasoning CK is scum doesn't change at all (propped himself up on a townslip) even though he challenges CK multiple times through different wordings for the same thing. As I've said, I feel CK's play there was anti-town (aka looking at himself instead of others) but still NAI. Newman should've been tasked at building a case to actually make something happen rather than just stating he didn't like CK. At that point in time, nothing was happening with CK as a wagon so he either needed to drop it and refocus or force a real reason behind it.
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Some of it is OMGUS at face value but the unexplained vote on me wasn't good, especially considering she had explained her position on other wagons far more clearly. Dierfire more or less explained it earlier, but it was a vote that made no sense given the post she made it in had other stronger scumreads.MiniDeathStar wrote:Aj the Rubic, why are you scumreading Io btw? I looked through your posts but you never actually mentioned that until now.-
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That's not mutually exclusive. Ftr, both.In post 392, massive wrote:Saying that implies you think mine are. So are my reads bad or are they fabricated?-
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That doesn't solve the issue of you not explaining shit, nor retroactively explain your decision there. +Grey and I were at odds, so for you to have opposing views like that with no explanation doesn't add up. I'd expect you to focus on that point rather than basically dismiss it altogether for some trifling discussion on CK. In fact, that discussion is basically the closest thing you've had to a pronounced scumread all game outside your unexplained vote.-
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I'm about to enter into finals week, so my activity is going to be maybe one or two posts a day (hopefully... if it's more, that's kinda telling about how much I'm avoiding finals).
In post 508, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Well its blatantly obvious to me who scum is, ill give you a hint, its flubber. He doesnt take much interest in the game until he feels he can strike at an opportune time and argue his way into getting a player lynched. He also, like Massive, doesnt really explain much. He also is just pointing fingers at MDS and pushing the points she is making aside. Its sort of like when you argue with your parents and they say "That doesnt matter, listen to me, i am the parent" he is just deflecting what she says with minimal effort.
So my question for you are 2 fold:
How long did it take you to write this post. There's a large time range from flubber's start to end there. It's actually 50 minutes worth of time.
In this post, it's pretty clear you think Flubber, not massive, is scum. Yet you explicitly say Flubber is scum for doing the same things massive has done. This is by your own admission.
I know you're voting massive, so maybe this is assumed that they're scum together, but your vote took place in 371 (VC not really around so manually checked that). Your lack of vote change suggests you're still concerned with both, but you don't mention massive really at all other than as a point of comparison.
Not sure I agree with this, simply on the basis that Flubber doesn't push it when there are points to be scored, and kinda shows up erratically at awkward times to push Massive's wagon. Assuming no time constrains (which, obviously isn't true), his BEST TIME to push this bus would've been right around when the discussion about CK/MDS alignment sameness reached a peak. Max investment in town read at the time.MiniDeathStar wrote:If massive is mafia, Flubber could be a partner. Otherwise, not sure. I don't think he looked like an easily mislynchable low-hanging fruit at that time.
I'm towards the opinion that Flubber obviously has some constrained windows (due to his post style of being so heavy and then completely absent) so maybe that theory won't hold as much weight. However, there was plenty of chances to push that wagon at a better time. It doesn't seem to be a good scum ploy to sit an RVS vote and intend to bus off that vote with minimal effort. Least amount of town points that can ever be gained for a bus, really. An inactive participant on a wagon with participation coming off RVS isn't going to buy much.
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VOTE: HelloNewman
I know Kai and MDS addressed this and MDS is going with NAI, but the issue that Io cannot put together a part she saw from Kai as her reason for vote is awful. It's not a case of confusing this shit backwards, she claimed Kai had the reason for her vote BEFORE Kai posted that. Which is why this is particularly weak. The post she references from Kairal gave one scenario where I'm scum (where I watch people push the Cloud lynch for me and then say "i told you so afterwards' and 2 that made no sense for scum (TownCK and Scum me, both scum). To say "that behavior is what scum does" and not specify what THAT is, is the major issue with Io's post in general. She can't even come up with a reason on her own why I'm scum to her and hasn't been able to do so in 100s of posts.In post 575, Io wrote:Specifically no one's asked that just asking why and I've sadi that 2 or 3 times now and no one pays attention to any of it.
Specifically though it was 298 and the 2nd paragraph which was something I hadn't notice and really I've always had the philosophy that, that kind of behavior/posting can come from scum which is what Aj was doing.-
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It's not sheeping if you're the first one to point it out. And I'm not going to beat a dead horse about why his posts coming back weren't good.In post 380, Aj The Epic wrote:And 'hungry/happy' is actually 'hellooo' for HelloNewman....
His post 79 is fine, calling CK out for congratulating himself on a townslip is all well and good. The only issue is HelloNewman never actually interacts with anyone outside of CK and tunnels a bit that he's scum long after most of us have him as town. I don't mind contradictory viewpoints, but with an unpopular view comes a burden of proof, and I don't think Newman attempts that at all in his post. His reasoning CK is scum doesn't change at all (propped himself up on a townslip) even though he challenges CK multiple times through different wordings for the same thing. As I've said, I feel CK's play there was anti-town (aka looking at himself instead of others) but still NAI. Newman should've been tasked at building a case to actually make something happen rather than just stating he didn't like CK. At that point in time, nothing was happening with CK as a wagon so he either needed to drop it and refocus or force a real reason behind it.
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And yet your strong scum read has no explanation backing it and you haven't addressed your own blunder (the 'time traveler' issue). Your entire scum/town read is based on an idea that I'm scum, who you've yet to give a reason for in 400 in-game posts. Now associative tells are cool and all but they require a flip, and you're so very far off base to begin with that you've drawn up three additional possible scum reads with no flip and no stated reason on why you think I'm scum. You've already called out an entire group to lynch through, day 1, no flips on 'associative tells'.Io wrote:
Well situation implies they are connected which they certainly aren't.In post 576, MiniDeathStar wrote:Io, ignoring that for now, what are your thoughts on the massive/Newman/Flub situation?
Newman's town but the scummiest of the group solely, not that he had other content, from the push that the only way Cloud could have been replaced is if he was Mafia hard bussing. His reason for the initial tunnel was also pretty trash with it just being that he claimed scum which no one should even take seriously. The other part of his scum read of Cloud that they were overly pushing the town slip was OK and a valid argument I think. The reason I think he's not scum pushing for 2 mislynches, as he's pushing to lynch both of you, is just because of how genuine he is in the push itself. He is stubborn, but not scum.
Flubber I just don't really know about to be honest. He shares no read with me, and was very quick to town read AJ who I think is scum. Leaning scum though which would make me think Massive is town because he's done a few quick jabs on him, 2 and the RVS.
Side note, I'm not even that confident you are town either. I'm getting the Aj & Culted scum team vibe with wither Mini or Flubber
Culted just really doesn't ever talk about AJ unless it was asking me to explain the AJ scum read, which Culted also said that other people asked so I don't see why Culted would have felt the need to talk about it. Then the only times he talked about you was at the very beginning asking for a read, something which I personally just notice a lot of scum do to partners they feel wont be too active or slightly scummy, then later on the talked about you and Flubber being TvT which is what is making me think one of you are scum. Culted is mostly a slight scum read for the lack of interactions with my stronger scum read and their overly nice behavior also just kind of feels disgenuine.
Honestly though I'm more confident that AJ and Culted are a scum team than you Mini. That's mostly because you're play style right now is basically mimicking how you played in 658, and it's not like I really disagree with you a ton. Though you and Culted do look pretty buddyey right now.
Also your post serves to have another contradiction. In the first line, you state Newman is the scummiest of the group, but town. Then you state Flubber is scum, who was part of the three in the first group. Actually through your entire post, you waffle on this scum/town read on Flubber. You don't have a definitive opinion on him, and basically go from town to scum in all the shades of the rainbow in one post.
Lastly, burden of proof's on you to EXPLAIN some of this. You've got some reads that are unpopular. Really, as I've stated, this starts with you explaining why I'm scum, and then showing interactions if associative tells are really your only shows altogether.-
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No no no. You don't get a clear on ANY of this shit for that garbage.In post 609, Io wrote:"In the first line, you state Newman is the scummiest of the group, but town." - Literally not a contradiction, you read the first line then stopped. If you would have bothered to continue reading you would have seen the explanation as to why he is bad and why the only scummy thing he did was tunnel.
"You don't have a definitive opinion on him" - Slight scum
You state NEWMAN is the scummiest of them and THEN state Flubber is the most likely partner to a Culted/Aj scum team, which is CURRENTLY the only scum you're really entertaining.
Time traveling issue: You used a post of Kairal's to justify your reason for my vote that happened AFTER YOUR VOTE. The post simply DID NOT EXIST when you voted me and claimed Kairal had the reason for you. And you stated it IN THE VOTE POST so it's not a misread.
And no, you HAVEN'T addressed why I'm scum. I'm paying more attention to you than anyone else in the game right now, don't you pretend I'm not reading everything you say. You have NOT justified it and have ignored every query thus far. Point me to it then if I've missed it, you certainly have had the opportunity.-
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Starting the final's gauntlet so this is mostly a prodge.
Scum doesn't necessarily have to do something scummy, they just eventually will have to be wrong. But as this is expected, it IS possible to play a perfectly town game as scum, they'd just end up with a few mislynches here or there.In post 728, Kairal wrote:
I just finished a game where scum played like you're suggesting. She succeeded in buying town cred but because she never tried to throw suspicion or defend her scum buddy she lost by process of elimination. Scum want to look town but at some point have to start playing towards a scum objective or else they too will find themselves losing from PoE. In this case massive is a possible but not certain lynch - exactly the time for scum buddies to come forward and try to shift the wagon elsewhere. That's why I think Io is a likely scum buddy for massive. That said obviously you vote the person you think is actually scum and then look for buddies later. Thus I'm voting massive and simply pointing out Io's interaction in case I don't make it to tomorrow.In post 723, -Grey- wrote:If massive flips scum, she would be less suspicious, not more.
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You realize her suspect list was not only bad, but included you, not IaI.In post 884, MiniDeathStar wrote:I can't help but notice that Flub and Aj are doing exactly what Io (tacitly) predicted they would be doing. As much as I still think massive is scum, I can't keep that mindset from yesterday and expect to be correct this time after I was already wrong about Io. I seriously need to reread some ISOs, like culted, Aj and maybe IaI in particular.-
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Simply because my intention with SAJin wasn't to corner him. I didn't think he was scum, but needed an answer to the question regardless. Who am I to go "Yeah you didn't wash dishes"? Newman had been my scum read prior anyways, so I was just refocusing back on where I was.In post 913, massive wrote:AJ the Epiclooking slightly more town for saying the same thing (sorta) in 526 but you just assume he thinks we're scum together; why no investigation into the why there? You practically give him an out which he takes in 527. Were you happy with that answer? Your next post has you shifting gears to Newman and then pushing that ad inf without going back to Jin.
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I don't have any issue with Dierfire. 656 is good townposting. Also I find his push on Io consistent even if ultimately wrong, which feels good to me.
With Dierfire, his predecessor is in R2R games. They're easier, less pressured and more suiting someone who hasn't played this game for long periods of time. Larger games with a full roster of experienced players can be difficult, so I really don't think being replacing out is anything more than being overwhelmed. I've personally liked Dierfire's posts, and am not going to base suspicions off a replace-out.-
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I'm actually pretty sure Kairal doesn't have a scum read on Jin and I definitely don't (haven't voted for him all game and really haven't floated the idea either).In post 936, I Am Innocent wrote:Interesting you didn't include me as a player that would have to be town if Jin is town since I've pushed Jin more than anybody not named culted. Which interestingly enough you didn't mention him either...
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I mean, I wouldn't say it's fast so much as there hasn't been a lot of interaction existing today. If you're worried about speed (i've been told this is NAI but I'm not a huge believer of it), the obvious question is IaI who scumreads Dier and is second on the wagon where he could've pushed Dier, Flubber/massive with blind votes. Massive might just be doing it to save himself tho.-
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So in these kind of situations, it becomes dangerous for the town to just continue using past philosophy. We've effectively had three lynches (I'm considering Newman a lynch protected by a role claim) and missed on all three. Obviously we're not thinking this through right.
IaI, you questioned us all on our want to lynch Dierfire. Outside of Ehable, is there any specific reason? Also, with the Jin vote the only thing I saw in your ISO was that you weren't happy with his joke vote (Which Grey did the post prior). Was it just second on the list/best remaining option?
FWIW I completely agree with Massive that the hammer by Kairal did NOT need to happen, but I've been townreading Kairal as essentially a confirmed town member.
Not feeling a massive lynch anymore. Especially now that it seems like it'd be too easy to push, this is exactly where I'd warn against seeing a wagon form unless we have good reason. Think I'd prefer to look around CK's slot again as Shadowstep's done literally nothing with it since replacing in. We need to hear more from culted because my initial town read is basically stale on that slot (Culted almost didn't post yesterday).
I think looking towards Dier (depending on IaI's response)/Flubber/Shadow area might be best for today. Looking towards, not wagoning. We have two weeks, apathy aside we should burn a decent portion of it.-
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Then I'd like to hear it as your reads going forward. Specifically this is the first instance i think I've heard you declaring these as your own as opposed to just stating Io might be right.In post 1001, MiniDeathStar wrote:These are my own reads. They just happen to coincide with hers.
Normally a bulletproof comes with a strongman, right? Scum could've figured it was bullshit if they didn't have a corresponding strongman to an infinite shot BP. I don't particularly remember a BP claim but I also don't see any other way to take a BP suggestion under no pressure other than a PR crumb. So the two reasons I would suspect initially is 1) Saw the BP suggest, thought it meant PR crumb or 2) went after a universal town read.Dierfire wrote:I had read -Grey- over, but I'm not confident in my ability to discern any targets--and even if I were, with no Mafia players dead I'd be very reluctant to put much stock in a "clear" on those grounds.
I assume that -Grey- died because the Mafia players found Jailkeeper a more likely role than Bulletproof. It's also true that not many players were reading -Grey- as Mafia (but due to the claim I'm not quite yet at the point where I start wondering why you and Kairal still live).
Also, in your 998 you talk about MDS thinking Kairal was suspicious in Newman, and we know she said Kairal is weird for the hammer on Jin, then do you see legitimate reason for MDS to point IaI and Culted over townreading Kairal? I ask because I feel like Shadowstep and MDS may be setting Kairal up to take a fall here, with Shadow pushing and MDS seemingly posturing kairal into a less-than-stellar position.-
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Dierfire, can we talk? I'm pretty convinced you're town at this point and I want to talk about Shadow_step. Specifically with his last post, I'm completely comfortable dropping a scum read on him.
First things off, we got 25 post iso, two of which are pretty much introduction jokes stuff, from a slot that's been here since Day 1 (halfway through). CK still has 3x as much. It wouldn't be so bad if they were full of content, but here's the highest content post he has:
(Now I must confess I can't use the 'post' command. Bare with me)In post 902, Shadow_step wrote:
Reaction test.In post 877, Aj The Epic wrote:What's up with the IaI vote, Shadow? I don't think you've said anything about him prior.
I've developed no reads in this games by interacting with other players.
I thought town was going in the correct direction so I just sheeped my town reads basically, the Hello flip just baffled me. Even the way the claimed I couldn't believe it at all. It seemed like it was a last ditch attempt at drawing a CC.
Been pretty crap by my own standards, so I wanted to see how he reacts and how other do to it.
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The issue is we've got no content and the only 2 held reads by Shadow both flipped town. Shadow's overreaction to Kairal and then inability to push anything towards me even though his motives obviously suggest he's thinking about it. I'm slightly baffled by 1010 because I think it's so bad that I can't imagine someone actually trying that as either alignment. Literally the definition of throwing shade, since he wouldn't even VOTE off of it.
VOTE: Shadow_step
I still want to know why you think this slot is town, because there's literally nothing in Shadow's iso to prove it. I'm also pretty sure he's still not caught up, because in one of his posts in the 800 range, he quoted a post from Jhin from the 370 range. This was D2, so he obviously had TIME to read through, but just opted not to. This game is one of the shortest games you could replace into and he didn't get through that.-
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There's nothing in Cloud's ISO that screams scum, but most of his iso is just NAI.In post 1021, Dierfire wrote:I'd be interested in whether you see anything interesting in ISO from CloudKicker; it's true that I was reading alignment from one or two specific data points rather than a trend, but I was feeling pretty good about those data points.-
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Going to note this: I just had a scum HYDRA replace out of a game in Mylo. It's about as NAI as can be, especially since if a slot is coming under pressure, you'd be hurting your team on either side if you can't be there to answer that.In post 1043, Kairal wrote:That leaves me with 3 in 5. Mini, Aj, Culted, Flubber and Shadow.
Sort of hard to narrow it down any further. Shadow as I've already said looked like someone who wasn't paying attention- his desire to get replaced seems to bear that out. Mini and Aj have both sort of given me a town vibe. It's nothing concrete though.
That leaves culted and flubber. I don't have any huge reason to think they're suspicious I suppose. They both spent a lot of day 1 casting suspicion on Jin. Flubber was pretty keen on a massive lynch but then so was I. Hmm I can't really narrow it down any further right now.
Agree that it does look odd. MDS has a few oddities of play thus far (specifically the use of Io reads as her own until called on it) but nothing super noticeable besides that. If I'm not mistaken, MDS also did this to Flubber earlier in the game (calling him on sheeping reads). She also calls Jin lynchbait like once (rather than 5x), and the other time is actually a call on Shadow being lynch bait, not SaJ. While her read on Jin is waffled a bit, I think it's more a scumread on her part and a defense against Flubber's accused team of Massive/SaJ/MDS.culted wrote:Mini's 900
Calls jin lynchbait like 5 times and then tosses shade on him for 'copying her reads' in the same post.
One that doesn't make sense and is hedgy as all get out.
Two you basically saw'd flubber for voting jin just because jin has a lynchbait rep.
Terrible look considering that this was when momentum started to shift pretty strongly against jin; feels like trying for towncred on a mislynch but not wanting to kill the traction at the same time.
culted wrote:The second half of the saj runup was whimsical and if I'd have been around I probably would have embarrassed myself. : 3
massive kinda takes the runup into a more serious zone by being the first person to really try and make a case (at least that day) and gives some pretty OKAY reasons like despite the buzzwords I could follow the thought process on jin seeming more hesitant with voting in certain contexts.
Then good old grey.
And then kairal.
Honestly Grey was really into the Jin lynch. The issue is, no one in the town (outside Jin) really was interested in stopping it. Dierfire in 656 and 935 showed a logical progression that should've had him believing jin as scum (It was conditional on Newman being town, which was found after N1). Everyone voting Jin (other than arguably Kairal) was scumreading Jin. MDS... didn't seem interested in stopping it, and I'm inclined to believe hers was more a scumread on jin than a townread. Shadow doesn't mention Jin once outside a random quote ("how do you know me" essentially). Which really leaves me, who was townreading Jin but didn't really do anything to prevent it. The lynch was going to happen, it's more a question of the hammer time.-
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