Mini Normal 1844 Firework Mafia. Game Over

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Post Post #1900  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:06 am

I'm actually pretty happy w the win, since I'm now back to .500 as town across all sites, and have a winning record in mini normals (2-1 lol), which I THINK are the most scum-sided win rate across MS boards.
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Post Post #1901  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:09 am

In post 1898, gerryoat wrote:Blame sonia for not doing VCs I had no idea i was hammering
lmao that was p dang funny. Sonia asked me to do a VC day 1 and I started counting and just as I was getting to the end you hammer and I was like "uhhh Sonia...."
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Post Post #1902  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:12 am

Sometimes mafia can be a very silly game :lol:
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Post Post #1903  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:00 pm

I plea the 5th...
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Post Post #1904  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:42 pm

In post 1867, Transcend wrote:Scum only got caught by the prs

Not during the day

Zzz


If it hadn't been for a couple of spoilers posted on the dead thread, I would never have guessed who the mafia were until the PRs had revealed them. So, well played, Mafia, you certainly fooled me.

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Post Post #1905  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:47 pm

Day play favored scum, night play favored town. It's unfortunate for scum, but town PRs played well and scum took bad shots (jae shot especially bad given knowledge that I was gonna doc him... and if it was 100% tracking Titus, that's when you have trans shoot me). Site meta that scums night game has to be strong to win, in part because towns usually play badly during the day.
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Post Post #1906  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:55 pm

Town PRs did play well.

But on that last night, having both town PRs on scum, and not on the same scum... there was a lot of Town luck in there.

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Post Post #1907  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:00 pm

Honestly, I find it really hard to be happy about the win because of the day play here. Scum deserved to win this.

And again my incompetent ass got dragged across the finish line, so probably a bit of self annoyance seeping through there.

Like, town should lose when they play bad during the day. This is another example of bad behaviours being reinforced because we won, and I don't know if it was the setup per se or just because the night play by town was actually decent. I just feel like scum were cheated out of a win they deserved.
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Post Post #1908  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:12 pm

They didn't deserve the win over town. Town early game day play sucked, but that's actually pretty common. Once first scum flip happened (and generally you do expect one scum to flip due to town power), game started to condense in a way that naturally favors town (though further town PR effectiveness clearly helped). And scum made three consecutive poor night kills:

- Gerry was pretty disassociated from the game and low energy, presuming he was PR was a gamble that backfired. He was a better role cop target, since if VT he could easily be pushed on future days for his effective lol hammer.
- ccc was trying to die. Some wifom there as always, but he made ZERO effort to hide his result or downplay his pr. And per trans, scum knew that I was doc, and cloud knew that Io was neighborizer. Either was a better shot than ccc in that spot.
- jae was a really bad shot given that they knew I was doc and visiting him. Just a total giveaway of a night kill when me or Io were useful targets. And having Titus shoot when they "knew" she'd be tracked was deeply sub-optimal; in that situation/read, trans should ALWAYS make that shot, as role cop was relatively low value there.

In most situations, unless scum blow up useful town PRs, scum lose. Scum made bad shots, town PRs made good night actions, and scum lost pre LYLO.

On the one hand that seems to be asking a lot of scum, but in the other, scum win mini normals at around a 2/3 rate, so usually they're up to the task.

That said, I think scum payed quite well during the day, and that was very commendable.
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Post Post #1909  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:19 pm

Yeah

Our nights were awful
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Post Post #1910  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:57 pm

In post 1908, mhsmith0 wrote:- ccc was trying to die. Some wifom there as always, but he made ZERO effort to hide his result or downplay his pr. And per trans, scum knew that I was doc, and cloud knew that Io was neighborizer. Either was a better shot than ccc in that spot.


Yeah, I knew that I was the worst possible scum shot from a PR point of view - no shots left, plus my flip would confirm a Townie quite thoroughly. (I was debating whether or not to refer to my role again just before nightfall, just to make sure scum didn't miss that one post... turned out that wasn't necessary).

I wasn't expecting there to be a universal backup who could pick up my shot and use it again. That was just lucky.

In post 1908, mhsmith0 wrote:And having Titus shoot when they "knew" she'd be tracked was deeply sub-optimal; in that situation/read, trans should ALWAYS make that shot, as role cop was relatively low value there.


I may have missed something here - how would Mafia know who Jae was tracking?

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Post Post #1911  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:58 pm

Eh, it's all a learning experience regardless of results. It's just that's where the room for improvement is.
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Post Post #1912  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:59 pm

I suspect it had to do w knowing Jae. Could be wrong; I wasn't putting much thought into who Jae would track since it wasn't my problem.
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Post Post #1913  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:01 pm

I like how in the chat I said I was pretty sure you were the Doc, Smith, and you just kind of stayed silent and claimed Visitor.
Really though surprised you weren't just killed for that claim. It was not the best cover up for a Doctor.
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Post Post #1914  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:13 pm

No no io, hermie is clearly the doc so you and trans should shoot him instead :lol:
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Post Post #1915  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:26 pm

I think a big part of why Smith wasn't killed for his claim is that we all knew the person he'd visited hadn't died or otherwise suffered any visible harm. And even after knowing that he'd visited me, I kept Townreading him, so that cuts out almost any form of harm that I might not want to speak out about (e.g. being roleblocked).

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Post Post #1916  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:32 pm

I mean the only real thing you can logically have tied to his action baring in mind the 2 invests dead he had to be a Doctor or some obscure role, like Weak Visitor.
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Post Post #1917  (ISO)  » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:02 pm

The longer you stare at something the more out of focus it becomes

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Post Post #1918  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:51 am

In post 1915, CCC wrote:I think a big part of why Smith wasn't killed for his claim is that we all knew the person he'd visited hadn't died or otherwise suffered any visible harm. And even after knowing that he'd visited me, I kept Townreading him, so that cuts out almost any form of harm that I might not want to speak out about (e.g. being roleblocked).


I think the funniest part of it was how hard I worked to occlude my role while the scum had role copped me N1 making the whole thing a waste of time :lol:
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Post Post #1919  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:37 pm

I find it interesting how in the neighbourhood you and Io both assumed the other was scum and did all you could to try to mislead each other with respect to your night actions...

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Post Post #1920  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:40 pm

Yeah that was awesome :lol:
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Post Post #1921  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:20 pm

It was even funnier because we also both thought we were being led on and tried to use that to lead the other on.
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Post Post #1922  (ISO)  » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:43 pm

In all fairness, you were both trying to lead the other on, albeit not for the reasons you were expecting. So... well spotted, I guess?

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Post Post #1923  (ISO)  » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:24 pm

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