In post 728, TwoFace wrote:You don't lynch a claimed pr day 1 ever
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not voting a claimed PRIn post 1071, Aristophanes wrote:We're not fucking lynching either of them today.
Vote someone we actually might be able to lynch for once!
Creeps and Gamma are town reads
who should I vote for exactly?
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good for you.
it's not worth the gamble for me, if we are wrong we have made mafia's job easier.-
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it's not theory imo, it has been more correct than incorrect for me.In post 1078, Aristophanes wrote:This game theory is flawed, as has been pointed out previously.-
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that would mean i would have to care if i got lynched right? I don't so do what you gotta do homieIn post 1080, Vedith wrote:Lynch Fritz TwoFace and I might not lynch you tomorrow.-
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they do that anywayIn post 1087, Aristophanes wrote:Otherwise scum get to be scummy and then go "Not it! PR!"
but sometimes people play like shit, especially when they are a PR. Just look at the masons this game. both have played like shit. people think since they are a PR they can't actually be helpful like they normally would because it would put too much attention on them. it's crap logic yet I see it all the time.-
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ok whatever. You have your opinions on how to do things, I have mine.In post 1094, Aristophanes wrote:But this means you give them a free pass to do so, anytime, all the time. That's the problem I have with it.
And if you say "oh well you played badly but I won't lynch you" then the issue of bad play as PRs will never end. You're actually feeding it unintentionally.-
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if fitz ends up getting lynched and flips scum, you're getting lynched tomorrowIn post 1095, MathBlade wrote:TeoFace or Gamma tomorrow.-
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you spelled my name wrong alsoIn post 1097, Aristophanes wrote:
ToeFace*In post 1095, MathBlade wrote:TeoFace or Gamma tomorrow.
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I can read italics just fine, your late jump on the fitz wagon doesn't change anything. if fitz is scum, you are confirmed partner.In post 1113, MathBlade wrote:Only if you can't read italics. But you will eventually.-
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No not for the late vote. I've been calling the 3 of them scum buddies before math even replaced in. I even said there was an obvious connection between him/hiraki/tvd (math) that only made sense if they were masons which they aren't so the only thing that makes sense is scum buddies.
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I didn't invite fitz anywhere.In post 1121, MathBlade wrote:If you believed this you wouldn't have invited Fitz. Scum can have PRs you know. You are acting as if you know he will flip scum and the only way you would know is if you are scum with him.-
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In post 1129, Gamma Emerald wrote:
No, don't say that.In post 1101, TwoFace wrote:
if fitz ends up getting lynched and flips scum, you're getting lynched tomorrowIn post 1095, MathBlade wrote:TeoFace or Gamma tomorrow.In post 1130, TwoFace wrote:Why?-
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do I think i am 100% right? no absolutely not BUT if fitz is scum, my scum team makes perfect sense given the interactions.In post 1135, Hiraki wrote:look - this is our first interaction ever in a game and if you HONESTLY think you've figured out the game on day one, then I hope you learn a lot from this game
I'll concede maybe I am wrong about you but the way fitz was soft defending tvd really strikes me as odd-
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why because of the hammer?In post 1137, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because if fitz flips scum Math is most likely town.-
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In post 1195, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I share the same stance on claimed PRs Day 1 as TF does so it would be very hypocritical for me to scum read for that him but, it was very odd there the end of Day 1 where he just adamantly refused to lynch Fitz after how hard he pushed him. I understand people have beliefs and all but it's a little concerning how easy TF was willing to give up that lynch. Might be scum who tried a last effort attempt to hop off of a buddy.-
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Sometimes you don't agree with the other masonIn post 1197, Joshz wrote:Sorry if this is dumb but isn't the point of masons to do things ie discuss and iron out reads with someone you know you can trust? I'd have thought they'd come back with a joint reads post-
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for nowIn post 403, Hiraki wrote:quite honestly that's why i can't join the havingfitz wagon because these and other reasons sound v fishy and I'm like I have good reasons but I don't really believe in them and no one else does either so...?
VOTE: hiraki-
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See I want to get out of tunnel mode but you go and post shit like that. That's not a townie response imo. That's a "downplay and discredit" tf response. to change my mind somebody has to post something that's good enough to make me look elsewhere. It'll probably not be til Tuesday before I can sit down and really comb the game looking for buddies but for now I'm good here.-
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I tend to agree with this. Math was blinded by stupidity. He either protected a mason and was killed or they just outright killed him cause they knew he was a pr.In post 1227, Aristophanes wrote:
There is an almost 0% chance this happened. Have you read Math's posts? They were calling him and Gamma the scumteam. If they protected TwoFace, we're gonna have to have a long talk in Post game about crumbling protections properly.In post 1224, Vedith wrote:TwoFace is confirm town for me and Math is a smart enough player to see that as well. Scum more than likely attacked TwoFace and Math protected there.
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Not going to do that. It doesn't matter at this pointIn post 1240, Vedith wrote:
I suggest you read Math's previous games.In post 1238, TwoFace wrote:I tend to agree with this. Math was blinded by stupidity. He either protected a mason and was killed or they just outright killed him cause they knew he was a pr.
I'd like to think scum tried to kill me though.
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it's impossible to know for sure though. we can't even make a real educated guessIn post 1242, Vedith wrote:
Of course it matters who was the NK...In post 1241, TwoFace wrote:Not going to do that. It doesn't matter at this point
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Too soon imo.
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I did look up backup roles in past games and while not common I found a game with a bg and backup bg.In post 1265, Joshz wrote:I also don't believe Frank's claim at all but I'm too new to know if it's likely there's a second bg so for now hiraki is a better lynch.-
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Bg with 2 masons isn't that weak. I think the game with uzi and I, we had 2 masons and a watcher with a hated. (Thinking that's right. Uzi? Isn't that the game)In post 1268, Nachomamma8 wrote:Which makes sense for balance since bodyguard + Masons is too weak but other things are mostly too strong. Don't think Frank has the experience to come up with that and doubt he was putting in work Wiki-diving to come up with it.-
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He should only be protecting a mason. I doubt scum has a RB cause they stillIn post 1281, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Not entirely sold.
He could always lie about who he protected during the night in order to avoid suspicion when questioned about why he didn't die.
Kill somebody. So claiming blocked wouldn't be believable to me.
If a bg claim is alive in lylo/mylo that's scum-
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Who did you track last night?In post 1292, Aj The Epic wrote:Hello all, summary?-
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Not with posts like that he's not
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so based on my memory, when I was trying to get fitz lynched Aristo and Gamma hopped on board but hopped off later for the creeps wagon
fitz and hiraki were tied with 3 votes and creeps had 2
havingfitz (3):TwoFace, Gamma Emerald, Aristophanes
Hiraki (3):Lil Uzi Vert, Nacho, Eric Rasputin
Creeps20 (2): ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Hiraki
The next wagons were hiraki and creeps at 4
Creeps20 (4): ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Hiraki, Aristophanes, Gamma Emerald
Hiraki (4):Lil Uzi Vert, MisaTange, Eric Rasputin,TwoFace
fast forward we have
Creeps20 (5): ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Hiraki, Aristophanes,MathBlade, Gamma Emerald
Hiraki (3):Lil Uzi Vert, MisaTange, TwoFace
really getting the vibe that Creeps is the counter to hiraki.
here is the final lynch on scum
havingfitz (7):Nachomamma8, Gamma Emerald, Joshz,Lil Uzi Vert, Aristophanes, Vedith,MathBlade(twofacewas off the wagon but on it in spirit)
Creeps20 (3): ScumDeersAreVeryTasty, Hiraki, FrankJaeger
Josh is eric - i feel he is town, plus his spot on the wagon looks ok to me
Aristo - very possible is scum. hasn't really done much. his vote was very weak on fitz and he tried to imply I was scum with fitz for not being on the wagon
vedith - had some town reads on him early because he was pushing fitz, but then later joined fitz and voted gamma which was a terrible vote
Today I want to lynch hiraki or aristo but would compromise on vedith-
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I think this was mentioned day 1 but feels like it should be said again, this was not what fitz did in his reads list like not even remotely accurate.In post 847, Vedith wrote:He just calls anyone disagreeing with him as scum.
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Creeps is pretty much off the table today given he was the counter to fitz/hirakiIn post 1323, Vedith wrote:Vote Creeps, Ari!
Smart play is lynch hiraki today-
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In post 1330, Aristophanes wrote:Yes Fitz flipped scum, but how did this conftown you?-
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actually I mention 2 of his posts and call them both scummyIn post 1332, Aristophanes wrote:Which ones? In what way?
Toy mention him a lot as being scum, but never actually say why. Heck, you only quite him once and have no actual interactions with him today. Tbqh your read and push on him are unexplained and look Hella weak.
1220 is me calling his 1219 bad. why is it scummy? read it it's self explanatory. It's a garbage post, one I don't see town making. Discrediting frank, and his response to me. neither of those look town
1309 is me referring to his 1304 - again, it's self explanatory. It's a post i don't see town making. -Again discredits frank and his reaction to uzi is also not very good. neither of those look town
I also explained that creeps is the counter to hiraki and the hiraki/fitz interactions look very much like scum buddies
but then again you're voting creeps which is most likely a mislynch and your reasons for sr'ing him are weaker than mine so excuse me if I don't climb aboard that wagon.-
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nope my definition is fine. but there is a very good chance you could be scum with fitz so I see why you would need to try and cast shade on meIn post 1333, Aristophanes wrote:If this and "because I started/pushed his wagon" are all you have, I think you need to redefine your definition of conftown.