Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!
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"The first door may be bypassed only with a blood sacrifice"
What better sacrifice than the blood of a player claiming scum with players
VOTE: gerryoat
gerryoat wants pain, let's give it him...
But wait, would scum want pain?
UNVOTE: gerryoat
"Don't WIFOM out on a vote you pussy, Pine's not gonna modkill him. Plus, confidence isn't alignment indicative."
OK, let's see if he likes anal. VOTE: gerryoat
Actually, I still don't like this vote.
"Could we compromise on a player already town-reading gerryoat?"
Deal. VOTE: Transcend
"At least it gets us out of RVS."-
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Finger of suspicion unnecessary RC. I respect your gut reads, so it's always good to keep you alive in the game past Day 1. But thankyou for the invitation.In post 85, RadiantCowbells wrote:Hey guys. I highly recommend FOSing me because you never know when RC could be an undercover scumfuck.-
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Now I was hoping for you to get all emotional and defensive...I'm sorry but that naked OMGUS vote isn't good enough.
It's too cliché and non-committal.
Show me some frustration or at least some righteous indignation, otherwise I have nothing to bite on.-
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Hi Lil Uzi Vert, good to see you so soon! I'm glad Alisae is in here too.
I also have playing experience with JarJarDrinks and RadiantCowbells - two of my favourite players on MS (either alignment).
The rest are new faces I believe - I look forward to introducing them all to Lucille. She is thirsty.-
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[Probably my prefered set-up: not a complete sausage-fest, but enough players to keep the game engaging even if 3 or 4 players lurk out. Hopefully this is 10 town vs 3 scum, my ideal classic set-up. I like themed games too, because it gives you the room to add life and color to proceedings. Things tend to get serious on MS ]-
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Yes, two weeks. I prefer playing with the mindset that I only have the one day to hunt scum.In post 105, Transcend wrote:Two weeks? Do you plan to night kill me n1 :p-
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Yes, that's what I thought, but I didn't want to jump to the defense of you.In post 107, JarJarDrinks wrote:
Not sure what ur trying to confirm but my post was RVS and a jab @ RCs play.In post 104, Keyser Söze wrote:I read JarJarDrinks' post in a different tone but I'll wait for him to confirm.-
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Thanks for that meta defense - I probably wasn't going to dig up Transcend's town and scum games.In post 125, mattblackguy wrote:Pretty sure Transcend always does early TRs like that. It's NAI
The RVS wagon on you wasn't any fun. You didn't even blink! What a badass Didn't you at least want to warn us how close to L-1 you were? I would have raged - what if scum had a double voter?-
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If Mattblack is town maybe, but I wouldn't label it "important" until after a flip.In post 169, Alisae wrote:I might go dig up a vote count of what the Matt wagon looked like when it was big cuz that's important.-
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Both scum and town can have shite reads. 1) do you know who is town so you know his reads are shit? 2) are you very familiar with a town-gerryoat who usually has great early D1 reads? 3) Did you want to give me a third option?
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Let's edit this for accuracy then:
"wtf Garrybote your scum read of me is terrible right now."-
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You said Alisae was being defensive. Anything to add to that read?In post 172, gerryoat wrote:Grendel is maf with Alisae. my reads are on point this game
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RC, this is why gerryoat is scum reading you:
He has not built a meta-case on you.In post 217, gerryoat wrote:RC is maf too. Trying to steer the direction of the game back into RVS when we just had a good discussion
[Note: I did not see RC's vote as RVS, perhaps because I too have bad feels on Rauth's contribution so far, so I filled in the blanks in my head. I.e there was nothing scummy about RC's vote in my eyes]-
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Your failure to see what I am trying to explain and why gerryoat is scum-reading you doesn't make us "idiots".
Moreover, no one is getting lynched on the grounds they want to lynch you.
If everyone carried that same threat it would be any orgy of OMGUS.
Claiming a cop role this early does not make your reads any more accurate as anyone else's. However it does ensure you are not lynched Day 1.-
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If you want gerryoat lynched, roleclaiming cop won't do it. You have to convince us of scum-gerryoat.In post 309, RadiantCowbells wrote:I mean, I can show you. But why WOULD I? I'm not trying to convince you that you're scum.-
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I personally didn't like your early cop roleclaim either. It's very short-sighted. What about the long-term? It's basically saying we can't lynch you now.In post 284, RadiantCowbells wrote:In post 281, gerryoat wrote:you're going to get lynched because every single person in this game will realize that your reaction to my claim didn't come from town.-
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I personally didn't like your early cop roleclaim either. It's very short-sighted. What about the long-term? It's basically saying we can't lynch you now.In post 284, RadiantCowbells wrote:you're going to get lynched because every single person in this game will realize that your reaction to my claim didn't come from town.-
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In post 342, gerryoat wrote:
You never knowIn post 339, Keyser Söze wrote:Conclusion #1:
RadiantCowbells and gerryoat aren't in the same scum faction.TvT / SvT / TvS for me.
60% of the time, my conclusions are right every time.-
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I saw why you were scum-reading RC (I did not agree with it though). That seems a lifetime ago now.In post 346, gerryoat wrote:My read DID make sense, key agreed as well. You're the one blowing things out of proportion-
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Fake-claiming anything cop is a bad idea. In this small game we are unlikely to have multiple cops so a newb-townie could have countered you and we'd been fucked in the ass. A newb-doc could have also protected you. I think both town and scum are going to react negatively to an early PR claim - I would find it hard to distinguish between the two negative reactions.
@RC - interestingly, did you find my reaction to your roleclaim town-indicative or scummy?-
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Could you see town-RC doing this just to get you lynched?In post 337, gerryoat wrote:You tried to discredit me and got super defensive.-
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I won't be joining a wagon on either of you or gerryoat because I don't believe in either case.In post 356, RadiantCowbells wrote:I agree that we are unlikely to have multiple cops and I would be suspect of anyone else who claims one. But obviously if someone actually is another cop variant they should not 'counterclaim' since I will be dying tonight anyway. I would lean town except for the fact that you are still not voting gerry and it feels like you might be scum with him waiting to see how the rest of the game reacts before you commit a vote to him.
I am very confident that both of you are not in the same scum faction though. I cannot see anylong-term motivation, because you're both unlikely to last the whole game now.-
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Then that is selfish/anti-town play.In post 358, RadiantCowbells wrote:Mr. Newb-doc protecting me is exactly the point of this exercise you dolt.-
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If gerryoat flips scum, then me trying to explain his reasoning to you could be seen as a hard defense. Then yes, I would expect to see pressure directed at me Day 2. But I doubt I will be lynched. I will use my own reasoning to defend myself without resorting to roleclaiming.In post 362, RadiantCowbells wrote:If you're not going to vote him then don't blame me if my last will is for you to be lynched tomorrow.-
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I usually town-lean that behaviour. I.e a player taking pride in his own scum-game and expressing hurt... viewing someone's critique of their game as a personal attack of their skill.In post 366, RadiantCowbells wrote:And that also explains his attitude towards being called Newb!Scum; he clearly cares more and tries harder and prides himself off of his scum play so being called newb here would probably bug him.
You are guilty of the same thing this game. That's why I'm resting my ballsack on TvT right now. I'm happy for the night phase to make the picture clearer too.-
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Are you suggesting we just let you slip your cock down our throat based on your excellent play from previous games where you were town-aligned?In post 374, RadiantCowbells wrote:But after many games up to and including Miller's Hollow I would think that you would think better of my scumhunting ability.
Between correctly calling my N1 innocent result as a godfather, single handedly destroying your scumteam in 193, and single handedly ending Miller's Hollow with a successful lynch we hard drove and our venge shot...
I will listen to your reads, but I wont sheep them blindly. It is better I am convinced that gerryoats is scum and I come to that conclusion naturally.-
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Great to come back online and see 6 pages to get stuck into!
Rautherdir's view that RC vs gerryoat is "SvT or TvS" intrigues me as I felt it was TvT when I was caught between the cross-fire. I'll be interested to see how Rauth pursues his scum-reads.