Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!
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what?In post 38, Keyser Söze wrote:Rautherdir
gerryoat
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Whoever hammers I won't vote all of day 1...-
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Nice save bro I think they are believing it!In post 73, gerryoat wrote:sorry i saw you both and i thought this was maf chat -___-
VOTE: RC
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Dude why you bussing so early Idk if it's gonna work outIn post 75, gerryoat wrote:Alisae is scum. he's too defensive l0l-
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Whaaat? If scum had a double voter, and they seriously hammered me there they would by lynched tomorrow. 1 townie for 1 scum is a good trade imo. The thought of scum having a double voter didn't even cross my mind because I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to do it this early into day 1.In post 137, Keyser Söze wrote:The RVS wagon on you wasn't any fun. You didn't even blink! What a badass Didn't you at least want to warn us how close to L-1 you were? I would have raged - what if scum had a double voter?-
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Honestly not much.In post 140, Alisae wrote:WTF is even going on. Hold up, gonna read in a bit.-
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I can see either scum or town RC say something like this. I've just got beat by scum RC in my first game, and he's pretty good at disguising his scum game so I'm probably not going to think about giving RC a town read until way later in the game, and I encourage everyone in this game to do the same.In post 144, Keyser Söze wrote:What do you think of RC's twitchiness about being given such an easy town read from Transcend? Do you think this behaviour is more often associated with paranoid townies? Or is scum-RC just as likely to make such a song and dance over it?
...Although I don't see how this gets us out of RVS-
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More like bored, but what made you think I was stressed?In post 157, Grendel wrote:hmm, Somebody sounds stressed.-
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I guess I can see where you are coming from. I don't really get stressed when I'm at L-2 much less L-4(when I voted you) in RVS. From my POV, I just wanted to try to do something to get the game moving along.In post 161, Grendel wrote:Because you were the leading wagon then you voted a potential counter wagon. It looked to me like you were trying to get some pressure off yourself.-
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Wait I'm not seeing anything there. What's interesting about the people on my initial wagon?In post 177, Keyser Söze wrote:If Mattblack is town maybe, but I wouldn't label it "important" until after a flip.-
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271 -- Yeah I agree I don't like this reaction at all either. He responded there like he knew you were a cop, yet all this time he was arguing with you he called you scum. Most of the arguments against each other was kinda bullshit but this seems valid.
286 -- Why do you keep saying that RC is scumreading you because you are scumreading him? You are misrepping the reason he is scumreading him.
292 -- I agree
319 -- Not sure why more people aren't agreeing with this because this is how I felt about the exchange
412 -- I liked this post, but I don't understand why you say you'd be happy to lynch Gerry, but then voted Grendel. Why was Grendel a better use for your vote than Gerry if you thought Gerry could be scum? At this point in time Grendel was null for me. I understand that you're name is "sheep" but Gerry also had 2 votes at the time you could have sheeped that wagon too.
416 --Dumb reason for why you don't want to lynch Gerry. Imo the only reason why you wouldn't want to lynch someone is if you think they're town, and I don't believe you said you were townreading Gerry. Could just be useless post, and NAI though. Hard for me to tell.
429 -- Good analysis, and I agree.
435 --Why did you jump on the Grendal train though? Was he your top scumread at the time? If he was then why?
464 -- So you didn't jump on the Grendel wagon because you were scumreading him? You only jumped on to appeal to the two people you were townreading? I don't see how this is coming from a town mindset at all.
{Alisae,Grendel}
{RC,Keyser,Sheep}
{Vifam}
{Gerry,JarJar}
I'm fine with a Gerry lynch today, but I don't think 464 should ever come from any non-newbie town player.
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I liked his interactions with you, and RC. Just felt genuine to me.In post 561, gerryoat wrote:how do you tr alisae
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Voting someone because someone tells you to vote them, and not because you scumread them raises red flags for me.In post 560, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't townread JarJar but I don't think that 464 is a great reason to vote him.-
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I see a lot of townies that get defensive when they feel they are being unjustifiably scumread. I didn't feel that was scummy.In post 563, gerryoat wrote:He wasn't even talking about much. How does that make him your top TR lmfao. And just based on past experience with him, i thought he was defensive at something that didn't need defense for.-
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In post 569, Alisae wrote:
Yeah, why AM I a top townread?In post 559, mattblackguy wrote:{Alisae,Grendel}
That coupled with I'm always a little more cautious with more experienced players because I don't know how well they can fake their town game puts you and Grendel at the top for me.In post 562, mattblackguy wrote:
I liked his interactions with you, and RC. Just felt genuine to me.In post 561, gerryoat wrote:how do you tr alisae
Why exactly do you SR alisae?-
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why doesn't it make sense?In post 574, gerryoat wrote:^ that makes no sense lol-
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so you're saying he's scum then?In post 705, Transcend wrote:Rc isn't cop-
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why do you say scum might have a rolecop?In post 723, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think Transcend might be scum and that scum might have a role cop.-
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So what was the point in keeping up the "Im still a cop" charade at the start of day 2? If there's no value to your role then what was the purpose of that?In post 765, RadiantCowbells wrote:If I bait 1 kill all I do is waste scums night and don't actually get us a mislynch.
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what are your reads though?In post 786, Vifam wrote:Honestly I think my reads are just probably shit and I fucked up tbh-
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what?In post 798, RadiantCowbells wrote:Hey matt what's your read on yourself?-
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Yes I did read day 1 fully. What am I missing? You said you don't think Gerry is scum, and won't join the wagon, but you agree to the lynch for information purposes. Why didn't you instead propose a counterwagon to Gerry's wagon if you thought RC vs Gerry was TvT? I don't see why you think lynching someone you think is town for information purposes is better than lynching someone you think is scum.In post 813, Keyser Söze wrote:I may look at mattblackguy first actually:
Either you did not fully read Day 1 or you are scum.In post 797, mattblackguy wrote:The fact that Keyser didn't make a vote outside of RVS yet was still active is a little concerning.
VOTE: mattblackguy
You can start by deconstructing your read of JarJarDrinks from Day 1 through to Day 2 (from scum-read to town-read)
GO!
Either way I'm not pushing for your lynch today. I stated that it was concerning to me, because it felt off. I'm more focused of Vifam or RC here. Also your townreads on RC, and Vifam are stupid as shit. You're basically saying they're too scummy to be scum. I don't townread people for acting scummy.
Oh and as far as JarJar goes his push on RC is towniest thing I've seen so far on day 2. The tone was genuine, and all his points so far toward RC are valid concerns yet everyone is ignoring him.-
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That's not really what I said. I said he didn't make a vote outside of RVS. His last vote was you which was still mainly a RVS vote. He unvoted later, but then didn't try to put pressure on anyone. He thought Gerry was town, but didn't bother making a wagon on someone else. The fact that day 1 only lasted 3 days could have contributed to the fact that he didn't try to make a wagon, and nothing else really concerned me about Keyser, but I'm still keeping it open.
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I think the wagon on you had 1/2 scum on it that didn't want to take a stance on the RC/Gerry situation. Your reaction to the wagon felt towny to me and reflected all my thoughts on it. I didn't like Jar's play day 1, and still don't agree with sheeping townreads on someone you don't scumread. I also said this earlier in the day about Jar "Oh and as far as JarJar goes his push on RC is towniest thing I've seen so far on day 2. The tone was genuine, and all his points so far toward RC are valid concerns yet everyone is ignoring him." As far as RC goes Jar expressed a lot of my concerns, but RC really strengthened my read on him with his bullshit push on me. He can't even give a half-decent reason but pushes me anyway.
Either RC is way worse that I thought at playing town (and for someone that sure loves to stroke his ego, and gloat on how great he is I find that hard to believe), or he's scum. Seriously the fact that RC played with me last game yet is calling me scum is laughable if he actually is town.
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I commented on that above. If you concerned on how my reads shift, it's because I reconsider things, and go back reread as time goes on. If I think someone is scum day 1, but then go back and reread, and feel their day 2 play is really towny then I change my opinion, and vice versa. I don't lock myself into my day 1 reads.-
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RC said day 1 that he revealed his role to get a reaction out of Gerry (Isnt this a reaction test?). So I asked that question because I wanted to know why didn't he say he wasn't really a cop after he got the reaction out of him. I wasn't assuming RC was town when I asked that question, but I only had one vote and Vifam's hammer was the scummiest thing in the game. I still stand by my vote on Vifam and still think he should be lynched today.In post 1019, JarJarDrinks wrote:Town matt should see Gerry flipping cop and think to himself "Hmm RC is caught in a fakeclaim. Might be scum"
Scum matt on the otherhand knows that RC is town (assumming they're not both scum) so he immediately jumps to the conclusion "Hmm RC is caught in a fakeclaim. He must have been reaction testing"
I kinda have been neglecting like half of the game, and I'm going to go over most of my null reads soon, and see if I can get a better read.
@mod I'm actually voting Vifam not RC. I've never voted RC on day 2-
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In post 1019, JarJarDrinks wrote:Scum matt on the otherhand knows that RC is town (assumming they're not both scum) so he immediately jumps to the conclusion "Hmm RC is caught in a fakeclaim. He must have been reaction testing"In post 324, RadiantCowbells wrote:I did it as a reaction test because being RC I do not expect to live the night anyway unless I get docced so I don't see a big problem with me being outed.
You can like it or not like it but I caught scum.In post 683, mattblackguy wrote:RC, why didn't you reveal it was just a reaction test, and you weren't actually the cop yesterday?-
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Who is scumreading Sheep? Is it just Transcend, and Grendel? I don't understand the issue with sheep. Reread his iso, and everything he does just seems like he's trying to gamesolve.
@Sheep What's your read on Grendel? I can't tell if you're actually scumreading him or not. I still think his reaction to his wagon yesterday was towny, and nothing he said so far day 2 pinged me as scummy. Kinda feels like you guys are wasting time arguing with each other when I think both of you guys are town
Is this this why people are scumreading Rauth? If it's something else let me know, but I didn't find this post scummy at all. A lot of other people obviously thought the interaction between RC/gerry was SvT.In post 389, Rautherdir wrote:
Yep. I wish more people were talking because I think gerryoat/RC is SvT or TvS. Right now I lean towards RC being town and gerryoat being scum, but I'll read over the game again just to be sure before voting.Keyser Söze wrote:At least Rauth has more meat to chew on now...
UNVOTE: Akarin, she'll get prodded soon anyways...
I didn't see a problem with the rest of Rauth's ISO. Nulltown for me.
Honestly I'm not sure how to read Transcend. His playstyle is really hard to read since he usually never explains his reads.
@Transcend can you give some explanation on why you think these two are scum? You gave some explanation for your Keyser read, but I don't believe you did for these two.
Actually, Transcend, do you really have 6 townreads right now? I'm pretty sure you are reading everyone alive as town except for {Keyser,Sheep,Vifam,Rauth}. How confident are you in these townreads that you have? I didn't notice you were townreading so many people until now, and I can definitely see the possibility that you are scum faking your townreads. The fact that your non-townread pool is so small makes me feel like you should be a lot more confident, and pushing harder on these 4 because if you can confidently narrow the game down so much the game should already be won in your eyes.-
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I don't think anyone said they were Town reading LUV besides transcend, but he retracted his Town read on him. I honestly can't get a good read on LUVIn post 1140, Keyser Söze wrote:Can someone please show me why Lil Uzi Vert is town.-
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Idk I think it's legit.In post 1154, Cooperative Sheep wrote:This feels very fake to me.
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If Rauth is telling the truth then it narrows the game down a lot, and that means:
RC Town
Rauth Town
Grendel Town
Nancy Town
Akarin Town
Meaning the 3 scum are in:
LUV
Vifam
Keyser
JarJar
Sheep
There's only one scum in [Keyser,Jar,Sheep], and I don't think it's Keyser, but I'm not confident enough to give a full Town read so I'm keeping him here just in case.
I'm fine with either LUV or Vifam lynches today since they're both scum.
Actually, wait, lets do LUV first. Vifam if you're not scum then who are LUVs partners?
VOTE: LUV-
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Cause LUV, and Vifam are scum.In post 1314, nancy wrote:Why only 1 scum in {Keyser, JJD, Sheep}?
I don't see scum motivation in his play, and he actually does look like he's try to figure shit out. Seems like to me all the questions he asks is try to help him better read players, and not a facade. Whether those questions are good or bad questions is kinda irrelevant imo. All the matters is the motivation behind the question, and I see town motivation.
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I didn't understand the reason why you didn't reveal you weren't fakeclaiming after the reaction test. I wanted to better understand that to see where your motivations were.In post 1327, RadiantCowbells wrote:Hey MBG. Why did you not immediately jump to the conclusino that I was scum on day start?
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