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[WhemeStar]

Hi is time for me to hammer?

[WhemeStar]

I tr WhemeStar

Thats good

[WhemeStar]

So if I read his ISO and I think he's scum ima hammer.

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I forgot to UNVOTE:

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I can find out

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A hammer does the trick

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Ill give him until I wake up I guess.

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Lol @ transcend, I was gonna hammer if he claimed VT.

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Wait is he L-1?

VOTE: Frank

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His posts seem like he doesn't care, him claiming VT makes me comfortable lynching him. Who plays the way he did at L-1?

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Noooo Transcend died ;/
Should of been me.

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VOTE: Mozamis

Lol at the last 6 posts

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I think one is scum one is not, I prefer moza after those posts.

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I think one is scum one is not, I prefer moza after those posts.

What pings you about moz over momo? Moz does have a sudden change of heart after reading momo's Day 2 posts, but as I recall, when momo made an almost identical Moz vote on Day 1, Moz called him out on it, but never voted him. Moz said he COULD vote momo for it but never did, even began reading momo as town shortly after. It was then that Moz instead went into his scum-read of fire, which sparked the moz/fire war.

Ok, that was a confusing paragraph but basically I don't really follow Moz's read of momo, or why momo is now null for him instead of scum.

So is this a question or is this you stating you think that Moz is more likely to flip scum then Momo.

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norska didn't answer one of my questions, though by way of replacing.

wheme 990 is weird. i asked about it and wheme didn't answer. 1035 is pretty blatantly not interacting with dog's inquiry. 1011 might imply foreknowledge though that's admittedly weak. i scumread him

It was a bad question I didn't feel like answering.

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why was it a bad question?

pedit: i don't think fire is scum but his play today is weakening my tr of him

That post had 0 meaning behind it which means the question was meaningless also.

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Fire seems more town then Moz. Much rather lynch Moz over him

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Momo prob town

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Momo prob town

Why?

Fire seems more town then Moz. Much rather lynch Moz over him

Why do you think we should only lynch between Fire and Mozamis?

@Momo- What are your thoughts on both players? What made you switch from being convinced to vote for mozamis to saying that while dire has more towncred, "it could go either way"?

What kinda question is that? I did not say we should only lynch between Fire and Moz, but that is where the current attention is. So I stated my opinion on their back and forth. Fire probably town, Moz isn't

[WhemeStar]

Momo prob town

Why?

Let's call it a gut read.

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If I state the reasons then I may break rules , let's call it a meta read then

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guys, get me to L-1 or unvote. L-2 is good for scum, it's real no mans land.

Lol @ Moz

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Corn vote Moz again

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UNVOTE: Lollll barley just got shot cause Moz can't Count votes correctly?

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guys, get me to L-1 or unvote. L-2 is good for scum, it's real no mans land.

Lol @ Moz

I said this

It was more funny when he panicked at L-1 tho.

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UNVOTE: Lollll barley just got shot cause Moz can't Count votes correctly?

you're scum.

Your wrong tho bud

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Eddie already told everyone what I am.

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Don't days only end when someone has been lynched or timer runs out?

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Lol Moz you can't take any of the blame?

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Corn im glad your town so Moz gets killed. Regardless of alignment toxicity isn't fun

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Corn your an alt?

[WhemeStar]

If I guess your main correctly can you tell me if I'm right?

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VOTE: WhemeStar

[WhemeStar]

VOTE: WhemeStar

TOOK ME FOREVER TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO POST IMAGES

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VOTE: WhemeStar

TOOK ME FOREVER TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO POST IMAGES

Stolen from Gigabyte btw. So Giga if you ever read this game. Thanks <3

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Barley your doing good, much better than me.

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Seriously Barley. Take a step back and view this as an oppertunity. You are now an innocent child. Be the heart of the town.

i have bad reads this game.

I feel like my reads suck every game. Keep your head up.

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Moz, why Barley? Was it an accident because you thought he hammered?

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VOTE: Gerry

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remaining suspicious of those who joined it for bad reasons.

who dey be?

Momo and Wheme. You staying on it lazily also was starting to bug me which is why I wanted to pressure you to commit one way or the other.

Lol what, if your suspecting two people who are voting the same person as you, also your strongest scum read. Is that person your voting really scum?

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remaining suspicious of those who joined it for bad reasons.

who dey be?

Momo and Wheme. You staying on it lazily also was starting to bug me which is why I wanted to pressure you to commit one way or the other.

Lol what, if your suspecting two people who are voting the same person as you, also your strongest scum read. Is that person your voting really scum?

Were you paying attention to the part where I unvoted and then went onto Momo?

And then go back to Moz? Did you really think they were both scum?

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UNVOTE: Lollll barley just got shot cause Moz can't Count votes correctly?

This post stinks - like a scum player reveling in victory at the expense of town misfortune and knowing exactly what has actually transpired.

What went down was funny

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VOTE: Gerry

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I don't think Momo paying attention at all.

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Hi

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Lemme buy Gerry in scumchat and maybe he will come join

[WhemeStar]

Lemme buy Gerry in scumchat and maybe he will come join

Bug*

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I got him guys

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UNVOTE:

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let's see if it happened or not. if not, we can lynch mozamis.

this is a scumpost

Why? if mozamis faked desperado wouldn't we just lynch him on the spot?

Cause he wanted to act townie by saying something so useless idk

[WhemeStar]

He took 2 long

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I did already

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UNVOTE:

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If he was scum why would he call out 1162

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Why would he call his partner out from a post 100 posts ago

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So are you calling Gerry town because he wouldn't of called that post out if he was scum? Or are you calling Gerry town and Boon scum

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So are you calling Gerry town because he wouldn't of called that post out if he was scum? Or are you calling Gerry town and Boon scum

Gerry scum and Boon town* hate mobile

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You said "the only reason for not calling out that post is if Gerry is Boon is Gerrys scum partner"

Does this make one town and one scum? Or both of them town?

You also said this in response to me asking my question in 1162

-"Uh why not?"
So your saying Gerry can be scum for calling that post out, but and the only reason he wouldn't call that post out is because their both scum. Does this mean you have a TR on Boon?

"Uh why not" isn't a valid response for me asking why scum!gerry would call that post out

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i don't know gerry's or boon's alignments. but you said this:

gerry is town because he wouldn't have made 1276 if he were scum.

what is your reasoning behind that?

I don't think scum Gerry would call that one post out from so long ago, that not one other person called out

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Because scum would never call out a post that no one else saw as scummy. I've said this before

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Because scum would never call out a post that no one else saw as scummy. I've said this before

that is wrong. completely wrong.

reason 1 scum would do that: their partner is being wagoned and they want to create a new wagon.
reason 2 scum would do that: they want to gain towncred for appearing to scumhunt.

so i don't see how your townread of gerry makes sense.

Reason 1: Your saying I'm scum, which is wrong, Reason 1 goes out the window.

Reason 2: Then why wouldn't he just jump on my wagon and give a some-what good reason. Or anyone else for that matter.

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Reason 2: Then why wouldn't he just jump on my wagon and give a some-what good reason. Or anyone else for that matter.

not sure.

do you realize that you are townreading gerry because he appeared to scumhunt?

Yes, scumhunt a post that I don't think a scum would ever scumhunt

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I wouldn't defend my partner so openingly lol

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VOTE: Boon

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I saw t best to get rid of you when I saw your previous posts lol

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I wouldn't defend my partner so openingly lol

how were you defending me if you scumread me?

When did I SR you, by voting you? Only did that to try and get you to post

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Hey Gerry/Boon what happens when I flip town, how does that change your reads on each other?

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VOTE: gerry

Why Gerry? Much rather do Boon

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So missing the part where you became conf town makes him scum?

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Boons posts are so bad IMO

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: Momo

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Why do you think Gerry is scummy

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VOTE: Eddie

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Selynee town

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well golly gee I'm convinced

In mean I guess I can see why your voting him or her. But it's just my gut feeling

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i'll vote gerry or wheme or momo in that order.

oh gee looks like the people who talk the least get scumread the most.

90% sure everyone there is town

[WhemeStar]

i'll vote gerry or wheme or momo in that order.

oh gee looks like the people who talk the least get scumread the most.

90% sure everyone there is town

10% comes from knowing you are scum and then the slight possibility of third party?

I really dislike playing with you.

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I'm pretty confident Momo will flip town, but I really want to vote him.

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Wheme, seriously.

This push on me just came because I was trying to get y'all to lynch scum.

I am town and deep down you know it.

Do you really think Fire is scum?

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Well it could be town vs town but I doubt it.

A gut feeling tells me this is the case.

With all the tunneling it can't be town vs town.

One of you is scum and it is up to the rest of us to figure out who.

Why couldn't it be town vs town?

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Making connections before anyone flips is bad

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No, I'm just worried you won't have anything if Momo or me flips green

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theory: momo just ignores questions and this is nai

he's done it so many times this thread and been scumread for it. the conclusion for me at least is that he just doesn't give a fuck about the game and probably doesn't even know he's ignoring questions.

This is probably correct

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Hi

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I could see a momo, wheme, eddie or boon team. but that seems too easy.

Gerry I don't like this post

[WhemeStar]

I MIGHT BE AN IDIOT

BUT READING MOMO I FEEL LIKE HE IS THE PLAYER THAT IF HE GOT PRESSURED AS TOWN HE WULD BE LIKE FUCK YALL AND MOVE ON WITH WHATEVER ELSE HE WAS DOING

AND SCUM!HIM WOULD DEFEND THE CRAP OUT OF HIMSELF

Get your votes off of Lynchbait Momo

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VOTE: Dogwatch

Eddie I'll come back to you

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Can you show me why Dogwatch is town?

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Can you show me why Dogwatch is town?

I'll do this if you show why you think they're scum.

Ok

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Speaking of which, how did you come to the conclusion that momo is lynchbait anyway? Just based on your ISO, I can't see any sensible progression there.

In 1389, you naked-vote Momo yourself. Then in 1439, you say Momo will probably flip town but you WANT to vote him. In 1445, you ask Momo an empty question about Fire/Moz. Then, in 1452 and 1486, you quote Barley and Transcend's opinions about why Momo might be lynchbait, but you'd supposedly already come to that conclusion before. What am I missing?

1439 is basically me saying Momo is lynch bait. If he was scum wouldnt he be defending himself?

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And so many people are scum reading him for that which is dumb

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I will later I got work for 5 hours

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Policy lynching Momo because he is annoying is bad

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So all of day 2 Dog has been putting pressure on 2 people, me and Momo. Reading over her ISO makes me feel that she is scum and is just pressuring the easy lynches to make it look like she's actually scumhunting. And because of that I don't think anyone is actually giving her any attention.

Why would a scum Momo/Wheme team make it so obvious we were a team? Talking about Dogs post about how Momo was ignoring her questions and answering mine. Which were just scum banter

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well im lynching him cause he's mafia. even if he's not he'll be lynched on a lylo anyway

Why do you think he's mafia

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@Eddie - thoughts on Wheme?

This is with 0 meta on him, but he looks like he's lynchbaity as a player. Obviously that implies I have a soft scumread on him, which I do, but it looks more playstyle-y than alignment indicative. I'll quote stuff now.

Eddie was the first to say it

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Because there is 0 reason to SR Momo.

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I view Momo as a town who doesn't care, he will be lynched at some time because it will be a policy lynch.

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What? Isn't me saying that r will be lynched because it's policy saying he won't make it to lylo?

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You can't scumread him off of things that are NAI, I view I'm as null-town

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Yes, for now I am.

why would scum!momo ignore questions asked of him and lie about things as if he just doesn't care? Scum wouldn't do that

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VOTE: Momo

Yeah, he keeps making comments like that last one.

WHICH IS NAI

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Hi everyone

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I see Keyser at the top of everyone's list. sell me on it. @fire and dogwatch specifically but anyone who hard TRs him too. I've barely noticed his slot which is usually scum indicative, though he definitely has more than 0 presence.

speaking of 0 presence, I hope thinkbigs catchup is good because I fos that slot hard and would be voting it now if it wasn't Mylo.

mass claiming time, we popcorn it. barley goes last (obviously) and can pick who claims first.

Heheheh to late I get To go first

Odd night even night vanilla townie

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I see Keyser at the top of everyone's list. sell me on it. @fire and dogwatch specifically but anyone who hard TRs him too. I've barely noticed his slot which is usually scum indicative, though he definitely has more than 0 presence.

speaking of 0 presence, I hope thinkbigs catchup is good because I fos that slot hard and would be voting it now if it wasn't Mylo.

mass claiming time, we popcorn it. barley goes last (obviously) and can pick who claims first.

Heheheh to late I get To go first

Odd night even night vanilla townie

Can I pick who goes next

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I wanna pick Dogwatch to go :/

[WhemeStar]

fire's role is the one i'm most curious about.

Is that an official request for me to start the popcorning?

I started it

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You should be thanking me for claiming firstv

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Cmon now Gerry, vote better then that

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I'll try to reread sometime and figure something out. No promises though

Gerry get your vote off me

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Intent to vote: WhemeStar

Today is MyLo and I assume we are dealing with a standard 10:3 team. Gerrygoat places a vote on WhemStar nearly 24 hours ago. If WS was town, the scum team would have almost certainly have quick hammered WS by now (assuming GG is town). Eddie Cane and KS have also not shown any signs at a quick hammer.

Occam's razor says that one of {Gerrygoat, Whemstar} is scum. I have a town lean on gerrygoat and so I think whemestar is probably scum.

This is dumb btw

[WhemeStar]

your slot and wheme's were my biggest scum slots but I don't see you as partners at this point

come to think of it, after looking back at gerry's vote, I would expect scum!wheme to make a bigger fuss out of it.. he strikes me as the kind of player who, as town, would say fuck it and move on... he's like a slightly more coherent version of Momo in that regard, who I was obviously misreading

so maybe I'm leaning more wheme!town? ehh

Please don't meta read me. Especially when this is our first game together.

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Intent to vote: WhemeStar

Today is MyLo and I assume we are dealing with a standard 10:3 team. Gerrygoat places a vote on WhemStar nearly 24 hours ago. If WS was town, the scum team would have almost certainly have quick hammered WS by now (assuming GG is town). Eddie Cane and KS have also not shown any signs at a quick hammer.

Occam's razor says that one of {Gerrygoat, Whemstar} is scum. I have a town lean on gerrygoat and so I think whemestar is probably scum.

This has been a few days ago and worth revisiting. The fact that Star wasn't hammered already is quite telling.

This post has already been disproven. Your logic is flawed and you voting me just proved this post

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ThinkBig I don't think you should of replaced in if you had things going on IRL... Many people told you that I was L-4, not L-3, and you just didn't read the game.

Also, I probably wouldn't of voted Keyser, I'm just happy I voted Dog and Eddie earlier in the game.

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GG and thanks for modding 2face